What about his bosses who were responding to his inappropriate texts without telling him to knock it off? They care just as bad as him, maybe worse because they did not supervise him at the time.
These days the media doesn't seem to ask the pertinent questions on anything serious anymore! They also base their reporting on their own opinions. I miss the days of honest hard hitting reporting, in other words honest journalism! 😭
$184,000/year?!? I have a Master’s Degree and 34 years of teaching experience. Retired at $72,000/year. Our country is messed up! Altho I appreciate all law enforcement and believe their lives are often endangered. However, public schools are not the safest either.
Yes, police officer pay is public and every officer I've personally looked up (barring 1st and 2nd year rookies) have made $115k/year or more... sometimes much more. As a teacher, you should correct people when they say "teachers and police officers" are underpaid. Teachers are woefully underpaid. Police officers are not, especially considering the minimal education and incredibly low bar to become one.
PREACH 🙌🙌🙌 At least if I'm bad at my job, it doesn't ruin anyone's life or put anyone in danger. It's very concerning that the MSP hiring & firing standards are so low.
so glad you said this. my thoughts exactly. the fact this women-hating piece of garbage makes 180k+, makes me sick. I'm passionate about my career and I could never be the level of incompetent that Proctor is as a law enforcement officer, even if I tried. it's completely disgusting that someone like that can thrive in a career that is supposed to be held to a higher standard. it terrifies me that him and his buddies were given weapons and authority.
I am a former police officer and I have been involved in homicide investigations. Never have I heard of an investigator speaking about a female suspect the way Proctor spoke about Karen Read. That would have caused them to lose their job. No one is saying much about Proctor sharing confidential information about a high profile on going investigation with outsiders, such as his high school buddies. To me, from an operational standpoint, that is just as serious as calling Read names. The evidence gathering, storage, and analysis in this case is comical. Leaf blowers, Solo cups, filled in pools, missing dogs, small pieces of plastic on the lawn spotted from a moving car, no security on the crime scene for 12 hours, any of which could have caused the case to be tossed after a supression hearing. Terrible investigation by unqualified investigators. Not to mention the "stuff" guy. He was embarrassing.
“stuff” guy versus the Crash Daddies… How on earth did this case make it to trial? Guess there must have been a lot of pressure from people trying to cover their asses, toward people in power who owed favours.
Are you serious? You don't think police say in private what Proctor said about Karen Read and worse about any person they arrest? You're either very naive or you're not a former police officer.
@@Resmith18SRit’s called discretion. If we don’t focus on the horrific nature of the texts, yes you are right that basically all humans talk shit. But an investigator should know not to put their grossness in writing. And, if they’re going to put in writing on their personal devices, then they should absolutely know not to legally open the door to their personal devices during a trial they are integrally involved with, which Proctor (or I guess someone he talked to) clearly had to in some way in order for the lawyers to have obtained access to it. It’s not about the fact that no one says these words. It’s about the fact that he was so stupid or arrogant that he brought the spotlight onto himself. He is literally trained on obtaining evidence for the expressed purpose of getting people into legal trouble. It can’t be argued that he wouldn’t know this stuff. Clearly he felt that the things he said would NEVER be seen, especially in an incriminating way, which is just straight up stupid or arrogant. No other explanation. This is like the difference between talking shit about someone to your best friend VS documenting your incriminating shit in writing at your workplace directly to your bosses. One of them is pretty normal human behavior and the other is just fucking stupid. He works with other cops who are also trained on this and have an interest in protecting themselves and their jobs. He was stupid as hell for putting himself in the position where other cops could use his words as a deflection for anything they’ve done. I wouldn’t be surprised if Buchenik threw him under the bus when the pressure was turned on. So it’s not that cops don’t say it, it’s that typically cops have enough street smarts to understand how this could be turned against them.
What is WILD to me is that MSP basically ADMITTED that they NEVER would have looked into Proctor's misconduct had the DEFENSE not ellicited the damning testimony from Proctor!!
She wasn't charged with a DUI accept as part of the 3rd charge, DUI and leaving the scene of an accident, which was one of the ones the jury supposedly found her not guilty on. She didn't plead guilty on anything.
The only accident I’ve seen is her tapping John’s car on private property. Because it’s on private property it doesn’t have to be reported as an accident. My mom did something similar hitting a truck my dad had with his car on their own property. So clearly no accident report barely more than a scratch. So I don’t see how they can charge her with leaving the scene of an accident, unless their cover up works and the jury buys their own narrative of what happened. Which I don’t believe happened at all. And pathetic that Proctor is still receiving a government salary.
I’m pretty sure the FBI is already investigating. They were the ones who took possession of the text messages on Proctors phone and the DA knew about this.
Funny. I’ve worked for some administrators who were bullies, incompetent, CYA types. They were eventually let go. Often things hv a way of working themselves out.
Proctor wasn't fired. They sent him downstream. He was never reprimanded by an immediate superior. The problems in that department are clearly systemic and disgusting. The massachusetts police commissioner coming out and speaking of this today is a joke. That area has had multiple complaints.
I completely agree 👏👏 coming out after the dog pisses on the rug doesn’t do an anything for the ppl to trust them. If proctor aka “ ballon knot “ was involved in case myself or family was involved with in the past I’d be raising hell to get into what he did with it
I was on a jury once. It's amazing how, if you do things right and don't discuss the case until deliberations, you can be completely surprised by how other jurors see the case. I ate lunch with and talk to one juror all the time. We could have been best friends in the making. Then we went to deliberations. And found out we were polar opposites on how we thought of the case and the evidence. Our jury did come to a conclusion and decided on an award (civil case) in the end, and deliberations weren't really contentious, but it was really eye-opening to me.
Yep. It's called "The Law of the Lid" - meaning, the people below the leader act like the leader or worse than the leader. But a good, honest leader would never have guys like Proctor working for him.
I heard the jury was hung up on "lesser charges" which means the jury instructions were so bad that they did not realize that since they acquitted her on murder ten they didn't have to go any further. Is that right if this was the case. What a messed up case. I feel like Judge Bev did everything she could to hurt the defense.
The only way they would get to the lesser charges is if they acquitted her on murder 2. I also haven’t seen anything on the split from any reputable sources. Do you know if another juror spoke out? I’m so curious about the split
Anyone who would vote guilty on any of those charges do not understand the meaning of reasonable doubt. When reputable experts testify the defense’s theory was inconsistent with the injuries, there is reasonable doubt. The only way a juror could vote guilty after that would be the juror had a bias which caused a “personal belief” she was guilty or did not sufficiently comprehend the evidence presented at trial and/the jury instructions.
The people of Massachusetts need to rebel against this ridiculous “suspension” of Michael Proctor. Taxpayer money pays his crazy high salary. There is no way this man should be getting paid on suspension. He needs to be decertified and never work as a LE officer again.
His union will demand they go thru the steps before they can him entirely. I’ll be shocked if it goes that far-he’ll be rehomed with a promotion and better pay at another department.
Getting rid of Proctor is not nearly enough. Morrissey is a joke and he needs to go, as does Yuri, Tully and many others! There is so much corruption here it’s not funny. As a Mass tax payer, I don’t want to continue to pay there salaries, I want honest police that communities can trust and feel safe around! I’m someone who support the police in general, but what has been going on far too long is disgusting! There are good cops who have to work under this dark shadow. No one hates a dirty cop more than a good cop …. And the public they are supposed to serve. And, for that matter, every single PD in every town in Massachusetts needs to do the same starting with Boston and CANTON!! I’m hopeful the FBI have big plans for all that’s happening, and hoping they will help KR clear her name as innocent!
Is anyone really surprised, seriously? This is further proof that these law enforcement agencies involved want and reward officers that are willing to engage in illegal behavior to support their preconceived notions of guilt and innocence on the very citizens they are supposed to be protecting. They have completely demonstrated ,at the highest level to street level officers ,a propensity to enact frame-ups to support their cultish conviction culture and integral bias against certain populations in our society. Right now they're just in CYA mode and hope the public forgets. Proctor is a pathetic villain and so is anyone that gives him aid and comfort. Peter's comparison to pedophiles priests is spot-on. Free Karen✊
He’s a trooper, its higher than a normal cop. Im fine with this salary for someone investing crimes BUT this trooper don’t deserve a penny of this money. He’s disgusting
By charging $10 for MacDonald's, $4 for gas........most people think they are underpaid and need more training. I say they are exactly what is sought and bought. I don't have it is any accident that government agents act and think the way they do. No rebuke from the superiors. No immediate action taken. Proctor isnt "one of the bad apples". Proctor is just a slightly worse version of the general average. This department doesn't seem much different than so many others across the country. In fact, this seems to be a miniaturized version of what we see at the federal level. Proctor is just one festering pimple symptomizing a deeper disease. Lack of individual accountability and equal protection under the law, seem to be the things that when missing, result in situations like this coverup. What is clear and obvious is what isn't being discussed. We can be quite certain that John O'Keefe wasn't killed in the manner the state presented. The investigation was bungled, botched and "hyper-focusd" on proving an already reached conclusion. The evidence was irreparably tainted and impeached. The outcome of this prosecution, regardless of the verdict, is that no New suspect can reasonably be tried. Whoever committed the crime will never be prosecuted because the entire investigation / prosecution, was never intended to get a conviction. The entire coverup was done by mudding the waters , discrediting the evidence, showing the negligence and incompetence to hide the intentional nature. It is quite likely, at least some of the individuals involved in this coverup, actually believe(d) in Karen Read's guilt. The ends justify the means when motivation directs reason. Imagine trying to argue a conviction against Brian Higgins for killing John O'Keefe. The defense would simply point to this case as evidence of reasonable doubt. Who are we going to charge next week when this next prosecution fails? Brian Albert? The plow truck driver? The actual goal was accomplished and the chances of anyone breaking now depends on how the feds proceed. If they proceed. Time to move on according to the plan. Just thoughts.
@ninastanek3388 Lally would be silly to retry this case. Nothing should be done until the investigations into Proctor, Higgins, Albert, and those involved in KRs' investigation have been completed and disclosed.
So MSP were quite happy to sit on their internal investigation and possibly see an innocent woman go to prison BEFORE looking to see if their own troopers planted evidence and let the possible murders go free? Not buying it, they left the trial to run to see if they could get away with it, they are as bad as Proctor! Should have acted immediately and told the DA that their evidence was unsafe.
I agree 💯 %. MSP is a really corrupt dept. I grew up in LE. Shananigans… yes, but not at this level. I moved to Mass a year ago. Folks are extremely afraid of MSP. Read is everyone of us. Look out, cops have TOO much power!
Absolutely my thoughts too and I wonder if Karen was found guilty would they have done anything to Proctor ? This whole situation is a joke , if they cared so much they would’ve started investigating a long time ago. They’re just playing defense now
Proctor should’ve been gone a long time ago. Waiting for the trial to finish was dirty. They know it could’ve helped the defense so they waited. And he shouldn’t have been transferred, he should be fired. Hes not the only dirty cop there either, that’s for sure. Immediate action would’ve been a lonnnnnnnng time ago
The state police superintendant held a news conference stating this conduct would not be tolerated,blah,blah. He did a great job of BS. He should be removed also.
One retired fed posited that Brian Albert, the actual murderer, has dirt on somebody much higher up the food chain, did some dirty work for a politician or some other higher level person and is being protected to keep that dirt hidden.
I don't think anyone in the prosecution camp wants the public to see Jackson get another run at tearing their fable apart... They were just talking tough for their true believers and.....to run up Karen Read attorney fees. Just because Read is innocent doesn't mean that she isn't still their enemy.
The MSP needs a total rehab and rehaul. I say this as a native. I’m sick and tired of the bs between state police labs being fraudulently mishandled a couple years ago, and obvious corruption.
First thing I thought about Proctor " like shuffling the pedo priests," so I'm glad put that out there. But it's also not just the disgusting texts and "unprofessionalism" as MSP says. There's waaay too much fishy stuff about Proctor's rush to judgement; he said, "based on the fact that Karen Read hit a police officer and left him to die...." That was not a fact for him to be judge and jury about after so little time. Also, "the guy whose house it is, is a Boston cop, too, " so he didn't EVEN go in the house, or investigate the people at the gathering.
Guys- I was in the civil service game for a while so you can take it from me: Proctor is on his way out the door, permanently. The police unions are extremely strong, and the contract they have with police department makes cops un-fireable without a lengthy process of investigation, documentation, and review. Putting someone on paid leave is simply the first step in that process. The fact that he’s keeping his salary, again, means absolutely nothing and you shouldn’t read into that at all because there’s no meaning behind it whatsoever. That’s also part of the process. First you put them on administrative leave, then you do an internal investigation, then you begin the firing process, then there are hearings, the a decision is made, then there’s a review, then it’s finalized, and then he can appeal. After that, if his appeal is denied, he’ll be gone from the department forever and will be unemployable as a police officer anywhere in Massachusetts and probably the country. So, don’t worry. They’re on step one and I believe it’s a 30 day process in most places. So any bar owners in the area, y’all might wanna keep a lookout for a resume for a dishwasher spot open.
@@koolblue6927the original poster is 100% correct. I have family members on the L.A. Sheriff's Dept and he outlined the process perfectly and accurately. 😊
The judge ordered their cellphone's and the day before Albert stated in court, basical oh well I decided to get a new one for my birthday, and the judge did nothing. She is also corrupt obviously, everyone should be under investigation.
It sounds like the higher ups also engage in that behavior and isn't discouraged from doing it. Because even talking to the higher up the same way he talked to his buddies about Karen but wasn't reprimanded tells me all I need to know! If they do retry, I'd ask for a different judge because it's obvious she's predujudiced against the defense, also her relationship with the families! So close that they call her Aunt Bev!
I think the way they all protected Colin Albert is so telling to me every single person tried to protect that kid. He was 17 at the time really think he is a major player in this. All of his Dads police buddies helped out
I agree. Especially after watching him and his family go after turtle boy the other week. That was wild to watch. That whole family is unhinged and violent.
IKR. It’s easy to get distracted with the Jen McCabes and Albert Higgins who are taking the brunt of the third party culprit spotlight because there is so much more evidence to consider with them (thanks to Proctor not actually investigating everyone who appeared at Fairview that night) but it’s interesting to look at what everyone did not say in their initial interviews. They did not list Colin as being there around the same window as JOK arrived. So suspicious
MSP knows this is bad following the trial and public opinion and that is the only reason Mr Cop stood there telling us how seriously they are taking this. But it wasn’t serious enough before, when Karen was being buried alive by MSP police corruption and nobody will be held accountable in a significant way.
The MSP werent aware of the texts outside of Proctor and his superiors until it was released by the DOJ/FBI investigation. I'm not defending them by any means but the trial was what brought those to light. With that said, makes it even more infuriating as Tully and Bukheinik were not disciplined/investigated also
If they were serious about it, they would’ve said and done it within the 16 months they had. Ridiculous and disgusting “effort” by the CW. We want action, not BS words
Relocated ? That means he gets to be someone else's headache....My opinion is He should lose his job. Pension..and qualified immunity....as should the rest of them, including his Supervisor...
Proctor only got excused from duties when the prosecution lost, makes me think they would have kept him on in service if the jury voted guilty.i Amazing how his behaviour was only an issue after the hung jury. How the hell are they going to retry this case it's a shit show.
If the Commonwealth rep tries this case, they need to get rid of that biased judge because she did not help the defence in anyway she was all for the prosecution and that’s not right. She’s supposed to be not biased. She needs to be removed from the case for sure.
She was obvious that the judge was annoyed with Karen Read and her antics in Court. Karen's lawyers need to muzzle her. This was a trial not a Reality show for Karen Read. She talked way too much to the media and appeared to love all the media attention and perhaps Judge Cannone felt Karen was making a mockery of the trial?? That courtroom belonged to the Judge NOT Karen Read.
Here’s a tip, colonel. Don’t claim the department took “immediate action” in one breath, and then acknowledge working on the issues for 16 months in the next breath. THIS is exactly why the public thinks they’re a joke.
The MSP should be absolutely ashamed of themselves. Proctor should have been rehomed as soon as his vile behavior became apparent. Waiting for the trial to end was ridiculous. The MSP and their corrupt and incompetent troopers continually insult John and his family by refusing to actually take full accountability or perform a real professional investigation into his death. I feel bad for MA taxpayers that are footing the 6 figure salaries for these beyond worthless cops
🤜🏼🤛🏼 Agree 💯‼️ They’ve KNOWN about this for YEARS… ridiculous they wait till the jury hung? I call bullshit…total bullshit.. MA residents, how do you allow this? 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
@@BlackStump172they were lied to by the “investigators” and I find it hard to believe that they STILL believe the CW’s version of John’s death. If I were his family, I would be seriously questioning what the evidence says, not the police-who have every reason to lie. It’s unfortunate as we see this happen a lot w/victim’s families. I get it-but I would feel extremely manipulated (by the cops & state) & I would be rethinking everything.
@BlackStump172 they SHOULD be insulted, and what they WANT is irrelevant, for real, especially given there hasn't been an ACTUAL investigation into his death.
That was my concern as well. I was concerned that some of the jurors had lost focus, thinking it was their job to solve the case before deciding reasonable doubt on the charges. In hindsight it still appears that way to me.
it's more insulting that, despite the lack of evidence we all saw, there were juror who 100% believed she was guilty. There are rumors that a juror is an ex cop, and some have close relationships with cops in the area.
@@DanyPolloo please stop already with blaming law Enforcement-It is just so offensive to continue to seek to point finger at law Enforcement. Reality check her SUV recorded her reversing 62 ft at 24 mph hitting John 'Keefe. 100% independent evidence.
agree. they had to know what testimony..plus any scuttlebutt about texts .etc those receiving and commenting are just as guilty as they condoned their counterparts behevior..should have nixed but obviously no one did.
The US is so wild. The only way you get a reasonable amount of paid leave, not as a general part of your role, not by having a child, not even a death in the family. No, just be in a position of power then be wholly unethical and woefully unprofessional and incompetent at your job.
His boss, Mr. Bukaki needs to go too. Just as big of a liar / perjurer, and in on the taillight removal and subsequent planting of the pieces at the scene. Just a few of his missteps.
His supervisors need to be looked into as well. The disgusting texts went to them, so it shows it was allowed and accepted by those above him. Boston police should be apologising to Karen Read too, for the abuse that she faced from Proctor!!
MSP is trying to gaslight everyone regarding Proctor and the systemic issues they clearly have, and have known they have, within their force. Waiting to do this until minutes after the mistrial is enraging and makes it feel like they only kept him to try to convict her. MSP needed to do the right thing as soon as they learned about this.
There needs to be a protocol that is followed in an investigation. Nothing that happened here showed me a proper protocol that was followed if they even had one.
I was too - but the evidence has shown there is no way he was hit by a car - even just the arm injuries prove that - but there is SO MUCH MORE evidence to the contrary and ZERO evidence showing he was hit by a car. I mean, how would he end up 30 feet from the curb and have zero broken bones? That shows me he was dragged to the spot he was found. Sadly. And no one group of friends and family has so many butt dials at the same time and on the same days. Also, why did Albert & Higgins get rid of their phones the day before they were to have them confiscated? She is not guilty. No doubt in the world.
Same here! I was disgusted by the evidence collection, but thought surely they had *something* if they were prosecuting. I kept waiting for it, and the first nail in the coffin was the ME. All the experts at the end convinced me she couldn't have hit him with her car to cause that combination of injuries. He had so many injuries to his head/brain, they weren't all documented. One hit with a vehicle isn't going to cause all those injuries to the head, with NO broken bones or bruising to the body (aside from the ones from CPR). A lot of the people who think she did it think so because, "the evidence only points to her and she said she hit him." Just ignoring that the investigation *only* looked at her so they didn't collect any evidence pointing anywhere else, and she may or may not have said she hit him, but the evidence doesn't show she actually did.
Gov. Healey says state police ‘made the right decision' by relieving Michael Proctor of duty. You'd think by her saying relieved of his duty. he was fired. But he was transferred, not relieved. it should not be about just the names that he called her. It should also include his lack investigation, not writing reports, chain of custody, not taking pictures. Now all the McAlberts need to do is re home Colin. I really think this kid, is not going to be able to help himself, getting drunk and bragging about doing the cop to friends.
You should watch the Canton town meetings. Everyone who is not a well-connected townie is treated as lesser by the police. At least that's what they're saying. Some have been threatened after speaking out, and allegedly Mr. Albert, unlike normal people, has a phone number for the police that someone will pick up immediately-a privilege that others don't have. Seriously, the people were BEGGING for change but got ignored. Police audits that were painfully won were assigned to someone who was against them. The people wanted the police chief gone (her contract was over), but they renewed the contract for another year. And then they had the audacity to say, "We are currently not looking for input from the public." I mean, WTF?! In the beginning, I thought a whole conspiracy was a bit much, but after seeing the whole thing going on outside of the trial makes me a lot more open to it. I have never seen people so desperate in those meetings, but those selectmen were just ignoring the hell out of them.
True. And they were already delusional going to trial with such a leaky chain of evidence and so much highly disputable evidence and witness accounts. I feel like the whole thing was a train they couldn’t get off even if they wanted to. Someone made the decision to give the benefit of the doubt to a colleague or worse do a little favour for a mate that is now being held over them. And that must be a domino effect up the ranks and through the DA office. To make it to trial the first time with such an unsound case there must have been immense pressure from people with a lot to loose. They’re going to keep trying to blame and convict Karen until they are stopped by the weight of public opinion as more and more state staff are discredited and corruption comes to light.
With his lies and deceit he will never be able to write a report, or be a witness for trial, ever again. I wonder how many will file to have their cases relooked into that he investigated.
MSP Spokesman says they're working on "gaining the public's trust," and claiming they only learned of this during the trial, while simultaneously "sidestepping" the facts... That means LYING. Again. On top of lies. This clown's remarks "from the top" give a CLEAR indication that dishonesty, lack of professional ethics, and illegal conduct are ENDEMIC in the entire organization. I'd never live in Massachusetts under any circumstances, but this is disgraceful.
The chain of custody was broken with all of the evidence', the crime scene wasn’t secured, and the cops never went into the house where the murder occurred.
Peter, I appreciate you covering this trial. This trial and the extending issues with the case. This case is important. Because this happens every where and it is time for LE change, accountability, etc.
My husband is a retired LVMPD police officer. One of the other officers let my husband drive into an ambush while he parked and hid while my husband drove in to deal with an active sh**ter. The cowardly officer was fired. Yet he was hired by a small Indian reservation police department, and promoted to sgt. He was then demoted for another cowardly act. But is still employed as a police officer.
I’m so proud of your husband and thankful he’s retired. It’s such a shame we all have to give a list of references when we apply for a job but past employees are only allowed to answer the question “Would you hire this person again?” I live in SC and this one question that can be answered with only a yes or no is not a true reference to someone’s character. Bad people always find a way to get a new job, even if it’s short lived because their true character comes out. It’s such an injustice to the employers and communities of wherever the coward is employed next. The only way this ends is exposure and consequences.
@@lucyduncan6236 what evidence did you get from mr lally that she killed him ? the fbi witnesses paid by the government not defense said that car did not strike the officer . the bad behavior of the officer deserved to be fired from his job. whether she did the crime or not , what he did during the investigation was disgusting and non professional. violating someone's rights, informing non police personnel of crime information, that's unbecoming of an officer n deserves to be let go. would you want him investigating a crime you committed if he had hatred n bias against you ?
@@lucyduncan6236I assume your referring to the drunk-driving McAlbert clan, who are responsible for Officer O’Keefe’s death and currently evading justice
@@christinao522 No. Her blood alcohol was .08 at 9:30 AM which means she was intoxicated. She had 7 vodkas at just one bar. She may also have thrown back a few when she got home. Imagine what is was during the time she hit him.
I just can't with this guy. Only one of the officers that testified referred to Officer John Okeefe as an officer. Absolutely despicable, and this is the reason police have lost respect from the people.
I think i heard there were motions where they decided ahead of trial for him to be referred to as mr instead of officer, because of something about reminding them he was an officer could be potentially influencing or somethinf like that. Given the general divided sentiment on law enforcement, that wouldn't surprise me at all though.
Thx for the coverage Peter! One comment to make re the Karen Read situation. I understand and completely empathize with the OKeefe family, their loss and grief. But Paul OKeefe ought to know better than to make threatening statements to Karen or anyone else. Work on it in counselling , but honestly, it helps nothing to say that to her. It’s angry, ugly, and threatening. There’s such grief all round. The case is still pending- he needs to keep his mouth shut
It is human nature to need to blame someone or something when a loved one dies. The O’Keefes lost a daughter, a SIL and now son. There is much anger in their hearts. They have much grief they are still working through. Blaming Karen for it all, is a distraction for them. They have someone to blame. All we can do is pray they will recognize the truth that Karen is not responsible, and that they will find peace. 🙏🏻
He is no good clearly stating a bunch of BS. He should be replaced and I hope the people and the media hold him responsible for his terrible department.
You're so appreciated, Peter! One of the many shocking details of this trial was all of the driving under the influence especially by LE. 🤯 I drink alcohol , but responsibility. This community can't be trusted. In my opinion.
It's obvious that JOK was not hit by a car. So obvious. I can't imagine that more than 2 people feel she's guilty, though I don't understand how or why. It's crazy. I'm working hard to not verbally use extremes. But it's hard to comprehend how anyone thinks her guilty of murder. I wish the judge had put jury's votes on the record. It seems unfair that we don't know the score of the jurors. Will that be documented and allowed to be FIOA'ed or on website?
He should be fired no one should act like him, he didn't investigate the home which should have been done asap. it was like it just stopped with Karen.
I am seriously angry and disgusted. The Commonwealth needs to give Karen Read her life back. This corruption should be cause for dismissal of all charges against her. Realistically I know that ain’t gonna happen.
I don't believe Higgins had much to do with anything beyond inviting john to cause problems btwn john and karen. I think the nephew got involved in someone elses business and it went too far
The thing about it is it shouldn’t have ANYTHING to do with emotions or feelings or strong beliefs. Science DOESN’T lie. He was NOT hit by a car. This drives me crazy
If you take the complete circus of clowns and the shoddy investigation out of it the bottom line getting hit by a car going 24 mph would not only cause a ton of damage to the body (below the neck) but cause MORE damage to the Lexus SUV. The damage and injuries don’t add up
It's crazy that they can even charge her with DUI. How can they prove what her blood alcohol level was or that she was impaired when she was not pulled over, never given a sobriety test. It's basically their word against hers and lots of people even said they didn't think she was drunk.
@jfk32975 so, I was subpoenaed to testify in a drunk driving trial after a man who was a regular customer in a store I worked at was seen by an off duty cop obviously drunk, like falling down drunk, leave the store, get in his car and drive himself home. The off duty cop followed him home and called the police. They came and arrested him in his home. There was no question that he was over the legal limit. He pushed to go to trial and he actually won. His defense was that he was arrested after being home for around an hour. He said he went home, drank more and smoked some before he was given a sobriety test. Who knows what his blood alcohol level was when he was driving. He was not arrested in the act of driving and he basically said it was the off duty cops word against his that he was driving drunk. I'd say it's totally possible and Mayne probable that KR went back home and continued to drink while she left angry voice mails for JO.
HOW THE HELL did he ever get such a responsible important job when he mentally and emotionally cannot cope with having a suspect who has a colostomy bag?? What does he say about downs people? What about people he meets through work who are in wheelchairs? Disfigured people, burns, mental health issues?
I kinda feel sorry for the O'Keefe's - there was no focus on justice for John, just a total sh*t show of an investigation. They need to feel someone's to blame and they're back at square one. Karen's the easiest target for them.
You can start building trust by getting rid of everyone of those officers who lied on the stand, who covered up a murder committed by someone other than Karen Read ( and you know it) Everyone who returned to the Albert household that night charged with DUI. Pay Karen’s legal fees. The list could write a book.
There was no massive amount of blood in the snow!! He bleed out on the basement floor of that house!!! And the Alfred’s know it!!! Dudes a retired cop and never even went outside in his own front yard!!! WTF
He was nevertheless in that house. Karen read is a lying manipulative woman. Just think if Sarah Boone wasn’t videoed and was more attractive what would y’all say.
It's not that it came out in the testimony at trial; it's that it came out to the public at large as a result of the testimony at trial, and of all y'all's coverage. Thanks very much.
Turtleboy discovered quite a bit of evidence and interviewed the snow plow driver before Karen's attorneys even knew about him - Turtleboy/Aidan deserves credit.
@@marygoff3332 Thank you for giving credit where it's due. I haven't seen a lot of Mr. Kearney's coverage, but I'm aware he's been an important source of information for a lot of people.
It’s unfortunate that a person’s life is in the hands of a few jurors who obviously have ulterior motives. The CW OBVIOUSLY didn’t prove their case….obviously. If the DA had integrity, he’d go to JO’s family and be honest about not having proof. Now it costs everyone more money and time and heartache. Sad.
Didn’t they all testified to a ‘group effort’ investigation, why only making Proctor a scapegoat? They should keep the same energy across the board, and got rid of the whole bunch of them ! They are all liable !! Absolute shambles! Poor attempt at saving face !
Yep. So far they are definitely trying to focus on the text messages as being the one reason. I guess they have to have definitive proof of evidence tampering to be able to go after Proctor fully, or any of his cronies
I think if it was just reckless driving I would and put that part of my life behind me. I hope playboy offers KR millions of dollars to pose in a police uniform that has protor badge number on it.
Interesdting take from Vinnie Politan today - he says you wanna find the truth here? Get the tracking data for EVERYONE's phone - all the people who were at the house, picking people up, dropping them off etc...find out where they all were via cellphone tracking....AND get the same info on Proctor - or anyone else who may have been involved in this case - get EVERYONE's data and piece it together that way...
That is part of the shenigans that were going on from the very start of this case. The defense fought and got a court order to get the geo fence data and proctor screwed all that up. I recommend watching videos by microdots. He has several about different aspects of this case one devoted just to the geo fence stuff
Peter I don't understand why they can't find the dog unless they killed it. That dog was HIS former police dog you can't just give them away it has to be disclosed it was a former police dog because of the training. If it was turned into a dog rescue or humane society they have records and if it was a private person hopefully they got yhe name. They may not want to turn it over but with a subpoena to produce then they gotta know something.
They did find where the dog was re-homed! I just can't believe no one is trying to get mouth/teeth imprints done, or anything! The whole investigation is so bizarre
@KS-pz4dp really I never heard they found the dog. I heard they were looking desperately for it. If they really have it they need to fo everything dna ect....
@@KS-pz4dp bite mark evidence isn’t always able to be admitted into court and also, it’s not very accurate as a science. Their best bet is getting the dogs DNA and testing more of O’Keeffe’s clothes to see if there’s any dog DNA on it that matches.
Can the defense ask for an Aquital when they go back to court on the 21 st? Proctor should be fired with no pension and fire YURI and chief Rafferty fire them all
Utah had a major problem with a DUI officer for our highway patrol years back… after we brought her down, the DA had to go back and UNDO all the prior cases she was the investigator in…. A housecleaning in MA needs to happen…
Yes! And her murder was apparently just changed from a suicide to a homicide . There was a broken bone in her neck area that doesn’t happen from hanging yourself, it happens when you’re strangled. ( I’m not sure how true this all is) but guess who were all key players in this investigation
