@@MrKstate21 the thing is that I think it’s the opposite. He’s not as evil as he thinks. He always try’s to come off as someone willing to do the dirty work and live up to the Roy’s expectations but he’s not that person. He’s a better person at heart when it comes down to it.
in scenes like these you can really tell how the roy siblings grew up. its something about the shows way of showing us their past without actual flashbacks. i can only imagine what it was like growing up with this guy
Yep, this is similar to the "Cage story" between the Roy brothers. Almost exactly, silly and fun when being told to people but very dark and traumatic to anyone experiencing it.
@@sublibrarian The shot of Shiv with Logan standing behind her and putting his hands on her shoulders is impressively chilling for a picture that you see for less than a second. I know the kids in the intro aren't meant to literally be the Roys, but I don't think that imagery could be interpreted any other way.
And everyone who didn’t back Kendall when he tried to get the board to vote against Logan because he was becoming deranged is just questioning alllllll their life choices
I think he is still very very angry inside but he learnt. He is stronger and wiser now. And when he do a move it ll be lethal for that old piece of shit. I had my doubts about Kendall back then, not as for his father though. It was about choice of allies. He must break it from inside not outside.
How? This proves backing Logan was the right choice. Do you think Kendall would do ANYTHING like this if he found out someone was actively trying to betray him?
When Logan walks up behind Kendall and puts his hands on Kendall's shoulders at 2:00, he leans in and seems to physically take over Kendall, like he's speaking through Kendall, then disengages and resumes speaking through his own body. This scene is obviously about Logan Roy's control over the people present, but his power over Kendall is so complete that it's like mind-contronl.
I tought it was more as he is addressing Roman and putting him off-balance by showing favoritism by putting his hands over Kendall since Roman don't even understand why they are so closely working the whole season when Kendall should be out of the picture for trying to overthrow Logan. And it obviously worked because Roman immidiatelly attacks Kendall and doesn't seem very confident, speaks with emotion rather than smarts and thru that gives Logan info on him. But yes as a whole it shows how tight grip Logan has over everybody, tightest Kendall since Logan knows about the dead boy and Kendall driving.
This is the most dehumanizing, disturbing, jaw dropping, and hilarious scene ever. It's just perfectly dark, levelling up Succession into one of my favorite shows on air.
My jaw was left hanging after this episode. You are so right. I read that the scene was inspired by Lenin in the USSR. Stalin would play these crazy illogical games to sew distrust among the politburo and to create these artificial group dynamics in order to disrupt any actual alliances that may have been forming. Can you imagine? 20th century Russia was so insanely bizarre. Apparently 1 out of every 3 Russian adults were arrested at some point by the stazi secret police. The incentives that Stalin created were so perverse. Tell on the neighbors with a nicer apartment and then it’s yours. Only for that same thing to happen to your family. Truth didn’t matter at all, only the party mattered.
@@mistergaga1701 He lost to Jeremy for the season 2 finale. Brian Cox is a legendary actor but nothing can be compared to Jeremy's fantastic acting this season.
Succession is already a great show, but the Boar on the Floor scene alone is going to be one of those moments that defines what this series is all about.
Logan putting his hands on Kendall was so scary and sad. Logan only trusts Kendall because he KNOWS that Kendall will never make a move against him again due to the blackmail. Kendall has become Logan's hand to use as he pleases. What's sad is there is nothing short of literally killing a man that would have brought Logan and Kendall together.
Well actually, Kendall was the 1st to be asked. When they were at the airplane on the way there he told him that historically he was the one that did those things.
@@GhettomadnessUk2015 No, it aged perfectly. Everything in this statement is true until the final 5 minutes of the season. Kendall was at rock bottom but was slowly built back together again. Kendell of episode 1 definitely couldn't gut Vaulter & fire staff, stand up to Congress with confidence and ultimately kill his dad. Ironically, the only thing that could get Kendell out of his dad's grips was ending him with this scandal.
The director was inspired by Stalin who would throw lavish drinking parties but he wouldn't drink at all. He would drink water and wait till they did something stupid and hold it over them. This was just a great scene all around. So uncomfortable.
@@kimberlyklaus7296 It's especially funny because Greg was the only one there who actually 'betrayed' Logan. But I don't think Logan really saw him as someone significant yet.
@Chuck Buskee I think he just pities Greg because underneath his cunning is a little rat man who doesn't have the gumption or the will to ever truly succeed. He's good at backstabbing and flushing others down the drain, but he lacks that killer that is inside of Logan. Maybe Logan respects him also for that, in a tiny hidden corner of his conscience
I also found it weirdly touching, which I know is really messed up. Part of me couldn't help thinking, "It's just nice that the two of them are getting along again, isn't it?" Toxic relationships, am I right?
Boars are kind of like symbols for victory and strength, I actually don't think he felt any animosity (aside from business) towards these three, actually he probably respects them the most for being willing to compromise their values for success. Sometimes the showmaster has to make things weird to keep the show goin' steady
The way they quip back and forth with each other in the final season makes me think that they’re actually becoming good friends. Dysfunctional friends but still friends nonetheless.
This scene was sooooo cruel and inhumane, I was in shock and felt uncomfortable watching it; the darkness in this scene and when Kendall stepped in and shut it down, I was relieved. This is a testament to how good the acting is in this show.
Tom in this scene shows perfectly how he is not born into this life (in a good way) he grew up with better and more community based values. He didn't sell Greg out when literally anyone else in that room would have and he was the only one who even tried to fight the humilation.... Obviously not hard but he wasn't going along with it as easily like I think many of these "powerful" CEO's would have.
@@victorujkic1738 😂😂 tbf I still don't think there's anything that demeans from this comment. This was 2 seasons ago before Tom even properly took over ATN, guess you could say ATN turned him for the worst. Definitely still think he's got more values than the others, he just understands the business a bit better it seems whereas the others don't see a difference.
@@razzprince2877 Tom got to the point where he had to compromise on morals throughout the show. As you and others have stated, underneath it all, he's actually a decent human being. He genuine looks traumatised when Mencken gets in and this scene and many others shows you how much of an outsider he is. He is also the only one that doesn't come from wealth. (You can make an argument for Greg but he is still a Roy) Also, his relationship with Greg is more comical than anything for the most part. It's like older and younger brother stuff whereas what the Roys do is incredibly cruel and a lot of it comes from narcissism, classism and prejudice. Tom isn't like that though it's clear he picks up questionable traits as the seasons go on.
Tom's whole character arc is tragic, like most of the others, but you feel for him the most because of where he started vs where he's at. He's trapped in his own meager definition of success. I love how the "digusting brothers" joke kind of hints at how their dynamic stems from the need to survive in their circumstance, and perhaps references the younger Roy brothers dynamic- two guys who need each other but that reliance in this competitive environment means they also end up stepping on each others toes, to the point where the love shared is diluted with disgust turned outward.
Yes he was all snickering and laughing and then looked scared.. I believe he would intervene if Logan would try to humiliate her.. but I’m convinced that Logan would never do that to her
As I sat watching this scene, it occurred to me That this was indeed a very pivotal moment of self respect...those who complied literally sold their souls to the devil slowly over time to allow such a thing.
I think with Greg, hes always been okay with complying to disrespect snd being unddrmined. Hes not necessarily selling his soul, but just following the flow of things while figuring out behind the scenes how to enhance his value/status.
@@bkimatab Well Greg is an outsider in this scene and show, he doesn't even really fight for the sausage despite getting it, he doesn't get any respect from anyone and Tom is the only branch he can hang onto, and Tom feels responsible for him because he sees himself in Greg so he won't sell him out. I think people act like Greg is more machiavellan than he is, he really does just go along with the flow of the Roy family.
😂 it shows that they’re used to being in uncomfortable rooms like that. They’ve literally grown up in them. Fighting in the middle of it is no big deal to them.
I like this scene because it's the first time we really see Logan flex his intimidation to another level. In Logan's world, he makes the rules and there is no rhyme or reason to being punished, even if you did good. If something is wrong in Logan's world, everyone suffers no matter who they are. I think that's why after this we start to see/understand why the family and Waystar execs are never comfortable or at ease in the company/presence of Logan.
But they hang on the same, this group of hawks and owls just standing above the world in silence and without motion. They're the most terrifying part of the company, because they are the glue that holds the whole corrupt structure together.
This show is so great because even the side (none family) characters are terrific!. Frank, Gerri, Cyd, Carl and so many more take advantage of every second they are the focus.
This feels like Succession's version of the Red Wedding. It was extremely scary yet there wasn't literal bloodshed. The blood spilled here was metaphorical, but it was shed nonetheless.
1st time I watched this it was the most terrifying and intense scene I've ever seen in television. 2nd time I watched this I could not stop laughing. This show is GOLD
Succession went full King Lear in this scene. Finally watched this show last week and I am obsessed!! Incredible writing, incredible acting, incredible everything.
The amazing thing about this show is that just when you think there is no way you can watch these terrible people any longer, at that moment, the show gives a character a shred of humanity (as if the writers and actors are saying sorry for creating such terrible people) that allows you to become invested in them again. It's like we the audience are in a toxic relationship with the show, and the show keeps promising that things will be better next time.
Growing up in a narcissistic household my mother used to pit the siblings against each other in games not unlike this. She used to set herself up as a judge in a court & encourage us to rat each other out, then whatever happened she would side with her golden child regardless. It was all just a ploy to put the kids she didn't like down futher & establish the golden child as superior, it only took me 20 years to figure that out!
The first time I saw this scene, I was thoroughly disturbed, and yet I couldn't stop laughing. I thought I would see the scene again and analyse why it made me react that way. I couldn't. I was too busy being thoroughly disturbed and laughing.
I love that Logan is only interested in Greg to see if Ewan is using him as a puppet, but Greg takes it as Logan wanting his opinion on the Pierce deal
It's like something straight out of ancient Roman history. The Emperor Tiberius would often retreat to an island off the Italian coast, where he would take pleasure in overseeing all kinds of humiliating acts of debauchery against his subordinates, who he would bring with him, and even his subordinates' children. Can't help but feel that Logan was channeling something along these lines in this scene. Phenomenal acting.
This is one of the most chilling and scary scenes i've ever seen. Logan's power through fear is perfectly demonstrated in his psychological and physical dominance (powerful voice, standing over ken). He's the most real depiction of a narcissistic, abusive manipulator ive seen in a tv show
4:15 Karl yelling while holding the sausage in the air as if he achieved something significant. I thought Tarantino was the only director to get people to laugh at horrible things.
The only one who actaully says "No" to Logan is Tom. He goes and says "i'm not doing it" which actually shows you that he has some sort of a backbone or integrity w/e.
This part was disturbingly hilarious, uncomfortable, took a dark turn and got more intense all while having no violence whatsoever 😂 this scene right here is a good enough reason to get into this show!
I have never felt physically uncomfortable watching something but this scene stayed with me for a while. It's very well shot to provide the maximum amount of discomfort, Brian Cox is in full force, everybody else is just along for the ride. Perfection
this scene brings to mind a mad medieval king screaming at the members of court to perform like jesters under threat of being publicly executed if they don't obey
My mom was in the room when I started watching this episode, but left before this scene, and I'm glad she did. This scene was stomach churning and dark and brilliant and I loved every second of it.
I've never been so riveted by a show where all that happens is rich people talking together in a room. Many great films and shows have consisted of people talking in rooms but man this is definitely one of the best.
Rewatching this scene is always hilarious now but I distinctly remember the first time I watched it feeling so uncomfortable and feeling like I shouldn’t be seeing it. It just felt so dark and ominous. Best writing I have ever seen.
