You hit the nail on the head there - this vision of the future was created by a different mindset decades ago just like the actual future will be created by a different mindset in decades to come. In that respect it gives us the weird culture shock that we might get if we actually did see into the future.
@@paulfogarty7724 well explained. It fascinates me how we can tell when a historical or fantasy film was made as they are 50 % period and 50% from when it was made.
this is now classified as retrofuture its a genre of books and movies. this is really campy though. Modern sci fi doesnt do camp very often any more. Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy was pretty campy
@Pata Physics Funny that you mention Walkabout. Not that long ago, I saw an original poster for that movie at a memorabilia store, and I had no idea that the movie existed until then, let alone that Jenny Agutter was in it. I'll have to track it down.
I wish there will be a release of a complete uncut and restored version of this film, this scene made Logan's secret intentions of finding sanctuary being revealed to Jessica which I always hoped he would
@@stickman1742 Now, 47 years later thanks to the magic of the internet, we can laugh in the face of the censors. Sorry censors.......we get to see it now anyway.
Aside from the great shame that shots of nude Jenny Agutter were cut (which seems like a crime, lol) the restored version of this scene restores some important story points. In the released film, Logan never admits to his role in the massacre of the Runners (which I found a bit cowardly and two-faced). Here he confesses everything to Jessica: his responsibility for their deaths and his infiltration mission given by Computer. This makes Jessica's reactions later in the film now make sense; her initial cynicism at Logan's desire to return to the City and her lack of shock and surprise in the Computer interrogation scene. With this scene added, Logan is completely open with Jessica and keeps no secrets; this deepens the relationship between the two characters.
Excellent observations! I always loved this movie, which I saw many years before I read the book. Maybe that's why I feel the movie is actually better. They are radically different from each other in virtually every way. If they do reboot this thing (as has been rumored on and off for many years), I hope they redo this movie and not the book. Anyways, one thing that always bugged me when watching this is, *WHY* didn't Logan tell Francis from the very beginning what Computer told him in the interrogation room and SHOW him that his lifeclock had been reset as proof? Computer said nothing about keeping it a secret.* Also, Computer admits that 1056 runners are missing (not renewed) and yet Logan stays on mission for quite a while afterward. I realize they wouldn't have a movie without some sort of conflict, but surely they could have come up with some reason for why Francis chased after them. In the TV show it's even worse because Francis finds out in the very first episode that everything he's been taught is a lie when he meets the *elders* that actually run the city, but he goes after Logan and Jessica anyways! I have to say the TV show had SO much potential but blew it all thanks to terrible writing. Episode 5, "Man Out Of Time" is one of the few exceptions that is even remotely well done (in my opinion). * That would have been an easy fix too. Just write it into the scene that Computer tells Logan that he's not allowed to tell anyone what's going on.
Narrated the Star Wars story album and played the Lizard warrior, Kayman, in Battle Beyond the Stars. He's done other things of course but I'm a sci-fi buff.
I read this part of LOGAN'S RUN in the novel. I was surprised that VERY little of it was in the movie. NOW I realize that it WAS filmed but edited out for time constraints and the rating.
Thank you for posting this. Box was always one of my favorite things about Logans run, he had been there for a long time and had seen a lot. This little bit helps to flesh out his odd obsessions and also explains why they have to put their clothes on. Very interesting.
Boxs was the most amazing thing my classmates and I had seen. This was all before Star Wars and we were bowed over. Our 7th grade class saw this film at the Janus - a theatre long since closed. I feel like on seeing this how fast time does go.
One of the most important scenes in the whole film and they cut it. I just rewatched this the other day for the first time in years and realized Logan is a bad guy really through out the film. He never tells her he got all her friends murdered. This scene isn’t exactly an apology but its better than the nothing we get in the film. Sorry had to change is to isn’t. An important difference. But I appreciated the heart. Great job with all the brief reconstructions. Wish there were more!!
I totally agree. It's a key moment in the development of their relationship, and a major change in Logan's loyalty. Yet, it is missing from the film. 🤦♂️
@@ulyx9804, well, except we see from our very first scene with Logan that he's a questioner. Francis chides him for it in the nursery and Arcade. We get a sense from the very beginning that Logan is an atypical sandman. Having said that, his switch from following the computer's mission to a runner *is* still fast. But a similar change is fast in the book as well (although in the book, Logan is more tortured in his conflict, and uncertain about which way he'll go up to almost the end).
Great scene and reconstruction; great work! Some have commented on the slow pace and/or "Box's" dialogue being slow or strange, however acting and film making have changed quite a bit since 1976. Films, editing and dialogue are much faster now, the "slow pace" wouldn't have been considered too slow at the time, and acting was more conservative then, kind of like Theatre acting, with more time to take in what you see and hear. Just something to bear in mind when watching old films & TV shows, etc.
Film & TV Thanks for pointing these things out! My favorite movie, Ben Hur, has timing that is so slow when compared to today’s film making. However, it was normal at the time it was made. I’m okay with it (I’m 56 treat old), but it’s a tough sell to share with my nieces & nephews.
Yes! It is all but a lost art now, isn't it? When the "stakes" were so high, that having a moment or two, to absorb it, was paramount! Like many "lost" technologies & art....The "sands--of-time", has claimed. Romance, building Wonders, Art of seduction & love-making, etc., to name a few... Or, in short, story-telling.
I think that's a big part of why I always go back to these old sci-fi movies. The slow development of mood and atmosphere is so great in these films that I go there just to soak it up.
I’ve always loved Box’s dialogue, it gave his character an unsettling quality from the get-go and really conveyed his eccentric, slightly unhinged nature, along with the idea that even someone “more than man, or machine, more than a fusion if the two” can get loopy if isolated for too long 🤔
It always makes me sad when people say the slower pace of old films is somehow "wrong". I think it gives the viewer time to become more immersed in the story, and I predict that one day the cycle will repeat and it will once more be fashionable to make entertainment that forces the viewer to pay attention, not by bombarding them with sensory data, but by creating interest and suspense.
Thanks, this makes sense of why they take off then put on their wet clothes, all in one chat. Also, I feel like I’ve seen this version before, but I’ve no idea why, however, as a child passionate about the film industry I did partake of a few cine magazines, so it’s possible I saw some behind the scenes shots before they were excised.
0:47 - Cameraman: ....don't you think the audience will see us in the robots mirrors? Michael Anderson: Pff, ... what are they gonna do... pause the movie?
@The Rev this dating from the pre -VCR era ! so it probably didn't cross their mind! incidentally this movie won the ACADEMY award for best special effects that year ; so they probably forgave them for that gaff ! CHEERS!
fortunately (or not maybe on purpuose) the mirrored robot is full of beveled crystal so the image is pretty scatterd thru the surface, and it's a quit turn around, you need to pause it very sharply to get some gear reflex
Roscoe lee brown lent his voice to a recreation of Star wars called the Story of Star wars. Box scared me when i saw Logans Run so when i played the record it freaked me out. Rip RLB
That was really something. Thanks. I saw the original in the theater and have always loved the movie. People get so hung up on slow scenes (especially these days where slow means only slightly less than full tilt). The movie always felt like part of it was missing so it's great to see your scenes.
And I'm listening to Logan's run on audiobook right now and just heard the scene the other day. This is one of the few scenes that literally survives translation unscathed from the book to the movie
Jenny is beautiful, yet it would have been nice to see a completed scene even though the producers decided against it. Yes its a slow scene adding it would have given box more than just being a psycho wanting to freeze them cause it was his job statement. Anyone besides me wants to see a reboot/remake of this scifi-film or perhaps a prequel?
Raymond St Paul Yes. There is actually enough material from the original novel to make a prequel. The civil unrest and overpopulation event that led to the compulsory ‘Last Day’ requirement for all citizens could easily make for a good 90-minute film.
I'd say it's more that _Logan's Run_ has a 70s quirkiness that can't be reproduced. Like _Rollerball_ before it, there's so much that's iconic about it that a new adaptation would only dilute the status of the original.
A remake will only ruin it. Today's Hollyweird will change the theme to RAYSISM or homosexuals or the like. Leave it as be. A great reminder of the summer of 1976.
You can catch glimpses of the film crew in the robot's mirrored surfaces at 50 seconds and 1 minute and 8 seconds especially you see a mustachioed brown-haired man with glasses. I love finding stuff like this!
1977, i was 11 years young, from Germany with my parents and watch this in London cinema. I understand nothing, but i thought, it must be soooo cold......
An interesting scene, but with the wacky nature of Box's dialogue and the slow pace, I can see why they cut it. Would be nice to see the full video version, and not even just for naked 70s Jenny Agutter either.
Wingit, I'm not speaking for greathall75, but my understanding from what I've read over the decades is that someone tape-recorded an early audience test screening of the film with the missing scenes that greathall is restoring. That tape recording was then used to produce typed transcripts that were published by fan organizations as far back as the late '70s. I assume that the tape recording has provided the basis for greathall's work.
@@Greathall75 I saw the movie when it was released, not as a test screening that I was aware of, although I saw it in a major city, and it indeed had the scene intact. Hopefully because it was released with that scene, it still may show up somewhere eventually.
OK: this was a very important scene, and it shouldn't have been cut. It shows that Jessica knew that Logan was on a mission, which explains her lack of surprise in the film's final moments where Logan is being surrogated. I found her lack of surprise extremely odd, and now I know why it's there.
@@Laceykat66 Agreed this was poorly done. Was cut just to shorten it. Film buffs lol no pun intended. Would have wanted to see the original. Anyway. Was edited down to just shorten the film.
@@Laceykat66 Agreed this was poorly done. Was cut just to shorten it. Film buffs lol no pun intended. Would have wanted to see the original. Anyway. Was edited down to just shorten the film.
It's true. I never noticed it until someone told me, that you can see the reflection of the camera crew filming this scene in Box's body as he turns to the right angle.
I noticed it, watching the movie in a theatre when it first came out. But then, I always look for things like that... particularly when there are mirrors or reflective surfaces spinning around in relation to the camera.
This is great, thank you. I do wish, though, that you could also have included extended footage of Box showing Logan and Jessica the gallery of the murdered and frozen runners, including the numbers on the niche of each corpse indicating the order in which they had been killed. The number of the last runner matches the number of unaccounted runners that the computer shows Logan during his first interview. It nails down the point that there is no Sanctuary, that Box has killed every single runner who ever escaped the city.
Which leads to the real question: Did the designers of the city put Box there to snare any of the runners that they anticipated? A fail safe that even the computer system didn't know about?
@@paulschumann4137 The implication to me is that Box is a relic predating the catastrophe that led to the sealing of the City of Domes. His job was to process and freeze for storage the seafood grown in the complex under the city, through which Francis chases Logan and Jessica. When the fish stopped being delivered to Box, he had nothing to do. Is that when Box started making ice sculptures? He started killing and freezing the humans that started to filter through after. The implication to me is that the computer controlling the city started up Carrousel and culling humans at the age of 30, for reasons unknown. The sign in Cathedral implies that some parts of the city might have been built before the domes were put into place.
These scenes were really confusing in the form I saw. I got that before they got out entirely they had to pass some robot that was still operating on its tasks from before people moved underground, Wall-E style, and that it was capturing runners who almost made it, but it seemed like the producers had decided to add one more obstacle to get past before getting out, and that it didn't have much to do with the rest of the plot.
I saw this movie as a child, and I know for certain that I saw the original scene intact. In subsequent years I noticed the scene was shorter, missing dialog and visuals. I couldn't make sense of it, and now I know it was cut! This drove me crazy when I bought the original release of the DVD.
@@Greathall75 1976 at Northland Theatre in Southfield, MI (suburb of Detroit). This was a huge theatre, approximately 1500 seats, and it is possible that we were a preview/test audience. We used to get films early (for example Star Wars, which played at the competing Americana in 70mm!), so I am not surprised that we saw the unedited scene.
I did too. Saw it at 13 with my father and sister in a double feature with Rollerball and remember being embarrassed during it. It must have been cut for TV or VHS release. It was absolutely in the first run theatrical release.
Jenny was the first side shot of a woman. I was only 11. Thank you Jenny, you are, and always Beautiful. You, and your British accent. If I said that right.
Greathal75 You are correct. I haven’t seen it in ages and seemed to remember they used LB Abbot for vfx who was a Fox guy so that is why I wrongly remembered it as one of their productions..
I agree that the effects in Star Wars were years ahead of all the competition during that era. Have you seen Damnation Alley lately? Yikes! It looks bad.
Greathall75 You are right, and some of the VfX work was diabolical, even for the time. The Landmaster filmed in a bathtub at the end is atrocious, although the funny skies were added after and the tech wasn’t up to it then, so I have a sympathetic soft spot for them.. Logan’s Run had some pretty cool matte paintings for the time also, but the miniature and optical work is shocking..
"Why dost thou thunder with frozen Spectrous wrath against us? The Spectre is, in Giant Man; insane, and most deform'd. Thou wilt certainly provoke my Spectre against thine in fury! He has a Sepulcher hewn out of a Rock ready for thee:" -William Blake
The audio was recorded during a test audience screening before the films release.What angers me about this is the fact that the test audience’s immature childish reaction to the nudity in this scene was the reason the scene was cut from the final release.
Well, it wouldn't be cheap, but now we have the programs (and the skills) necessary to "revive" these lost scenes (one possibility is what was used in Gemini Man to make a believable way younger Will Smith).
Man, I'm torn about this. On one hand, it fleshed out a necessary piece of logic and character development between Logan and Jessica. On the other hand, it slows down the pacing and would make me wonder what's taking Francis so long to catch up if it were kept in. Either way, thanks for posting this!
ForceMaximus84 As much as I love the movie, it absolutely needs this explanation of Logan's behavior. Without this scene, it's hard to make sense of why Logan would do something as drastic as selling out Jessica's friends, leading to their deaths, and then suddenly be a "good guy" for the remainder of the movie, with no explanation. It's also odd that he never has to face any consequences, not even a difficult conversation with Jessica for betraying her, because he never confesses, apparently feeling no remorse for what he did. We need to actually see him have a change of heart, not just be forced to guess about when and why exactly it takes place. This scene shows us his remorse, which we need to see in order to sympathize with him, and it lets the viewer know that for the rest of the movie, he's truly a runner just like Jessica. It gets the viewer back on his side after his betrayal, otherwise a viewer might assume, like I did, that he was still working for the city up until practically the end of the movie. I also actually enjoy the scene just for what it is and don't find it too slow paced at all really. I'd love to see this scene found someday and restored into an extended edition release of the movie.
ForceMaximus84, in addition to what taco has said, the scene in the theatrical version simply doesn't make sense: Logan and Jessica change in-and-out of clothes with no rhyme or reason, and the dialogue/scene structure is off-kilter. Pacing was not a consideration in the cuts to this scene, but rather the desire to obtain a PG rating rather than an R; this film was quite expensive ($9M) for the day, and an R rating had the potential to seriously hurt the film's profitability. (See also the love shop cuts.) Finally, Francis not catching up with them is easily explainable by the rushing water having overwhelmed him as well, and he would not have known where they ended up. Even in the film as it stands, you can see that Logan and Jessica leave Box's cavern shortly after sunrise and Francis does the same only around sunset -- quite a few hours' difference.
@@tacofop600 I tend to agree with you. This insight & information, does far more for the movie. I may be biased, but I love the characters of Logan & Jessica. As individuals, as well as a couple. IDK what others call slow paced...but, for me, as long as it moves the plot, characters...or both. I do not see it as pacing. (Regardless of it's speed). I see it as part of the overall story, being told. In laymen's terms.
There biggest mistake with this movie was the aligning and pushing for a PG rating when this film would have been far more successful marketed to an adult audience.
The only thing left of this scene in the theatrical release is a brief glimpse of the completed ice sculpture in the background. (While Frances is stumbling through the ruined chamber later in the movie).
THE STATUE IS VISIBLE IN THE MOVIE!!! I was watching this again today, and the statue is visible but for only about 2 seconds. It's at 1:12 as Francis is stumbling in the ice. If you look closely, you can see the statue in the far background. I't on the right side background centered from where the two birds fall. I've seen this who knows how many times, and I never noticed it! Has anyone else ever noticed this???
If you like this movie means you probably someone who is digging for the unknown and that is good thing no wonder business don't make movies anymore that allows us to question this world also that's why movies so policed today. This movie is sure one of a great classics
The Love Shop scene is cut by almost 5 minutes in the theatrical release. This was necessary to ensure a PG rating. I want to create a reconstruction for it, but don't have enough materials (film nor stills) to complete it.
And here I was, not that far off from my first watching of Logan's run, only to now want a more complete version to appear... Great Hall 75, may you please roughly tell me where all your reconstructions ( from the playlist) take place? This is so that I may be able to pause the movie and then watch the work you have done.
2m30s Original opening 5m16s Great Hall crossing 18m25s Francis Brings the Party 30m37s food court conspiracy 33m35s journey to Cathedral 37m34s Cubs on Muscle 43m41s New You reception 1h01m26s Jessica's fall 1h06m39s Box's ice sculpture 1h37m19s Francis' funeral
I've known this scene from the comic adaptation by Jack "King" Kirby. So, thanks for restoring this scene. With that said, it explains on the one hand why box suddenly has his tools in the hand when showing Logan and Jesica the others. On the other hand, I understand why it was cut. It slows the pacing of this otherwise mysterious if not creepy scene down. The Box segment, as shown in the movie, works better without it and leaves you intrigued about him. The sculpture segment drags this intrigue to a sudden halt in my humble opinion.
If you ask me George Lucas ripped off the character Box for Darth Vader. Roscoe Lee Browne played Box a African-American and both he and James Earl Jones had very deep voices, I guess in Star Wars George wanted the the same feel as that character. And I also think the costume was inspired by the character from the 70s movie Phantom of paradise.
Is Box an immortal self-repairing robot built to supply the city with ocean produce? If so, does his destruction mean that the city will soon starve? How did he get up if he fell over?
LOL! Box is a self-repairing cyborg, philosopher, and master sculptor. He also works part-time in the frozen food industry though business is not as good as it used to be. When falling over he waits for the next runner to arrive and then says, "Help me get upright, and I'll show you where the others have gone!"
Box is still performing his function of capturing and freezing food for the City -- which turns out to be a coastal place pretty near Washington, DC (perhaps Annapolis, MD or Alexandria, VA?) -- except that when the original supply of plankton and sea animals ran dry he turned to humans (Runners) to preserve instead, to fulfill his mission/quota. These days he just stockpiles everything in the cryo-units shown in the next scene. No one from the City comes anymore to collect it, and haven't for decades; they've long since forgotten that Box, his cave, or his mission even exist.
EPIC FILM! This is the famous Nude Scene that was cut to make the movie family-friendly! Americans are still so hung up on nudity! Yet they are the largest Porn consumers in the world.
American *censors* are hung up on nudity. Big difference. As far as porn consumption, that's what happens when you live in a society that oppresses the basic things that make you human. It's also why the Puritans had such high rates of incest and bestiality. Getting back to Logan's Run though, the Love Shop sequence was also cut down to remove full frontal nudity.
I still want to know more about Box, who was he, what was is role in the begining, what was he really? a cyborg, a robot that became self awair, or a man in a robot body who eventually went insane?
He was a psycho who was injured during his apprehension and restored by the system and made into box. He was then cast out and made to collect food for the city till it all ran out. He then began storing runners as food but it seems it was never collected because he was cut off from the system after all the food was gone and he was pretty much useless.
Every time I see that part, I can't help but notice Roscoe Lee Brown's mouth; so whether the producers like it or not, you can tell there's a human being in there.
@@Greathall75 Yes for one half of the film he's a Sandman on a mission letting runners be killed, then he's on their side. There's not even an acknowledgement that he's changed sides, let along a reason. Thank you.
I thought these films were made by professionals? How could nobody on set have realised the camera crew can blatantly be seen in the mirror reflection of box?
I'm more than machine, or man. More than a fusion of the two, don't you agree? No, dunno about the "fusion" part. You look like my dryer that went waaaaaay overboard on the chrome-job.
Did u know Antarctica is so off limits even the science people only ever go to the very edge but the middle is top secret that's not conspiracy that is a fact even mainstream except this
Logan's Run is a bit like the concept of "humane slaughter" in farming right? They give the animals a good, but short life. And then kill them. Except in Logan's Run we see this as wrong.
This scares living heck out me considering this world we live in today almost and it is true south poul in off limits to public this movie really captures coruption in our governments our leaders who continue to lye after lye
