Finally I understand what 'Muscle' is when the kid tries to put the pouch up to Logans face in Cathedral and says 'Muscle', the kid is trying to dose Logan with drugs and cause him to fit and die... This clip really should have been left in the film! i always thought he was saying muscle him as in overpower him... lol
Here's a theory. I have no evidence to support it, just a hunch. But here it is: what if 'Cathedral' and 'Carousel' were originally just what their names suggest? When the City was first founded, maybe Carousel was a thrill ride of some kind, and Cathedral actually contained churches and temples of some sort. I can't imagine the insane society we see in Logan and Jessica's time _started out_ that way, so at some point along the way things were repurposed. Again, just a theory.
Actually I ended up watching clips of this movie because a few countries are starting to offer voluntary euthanasia to the mentally ill and the disabled. It's quite easy to extrapolate down that slippery slope. Our society may well get there one day and it will not have started that way.
@@goodlookinouthomie1757 Yeah, and sometimes even now the 'voluntary' part gets stretched noticeably. You can put a lot of pressure on someone without actually, _technically_ making it compulsory.
@@shermanlee4037 Exactly. We have all seen it already. Just like taking a certain jab or wearing a mask wasn't _technically_ the law last year. Plenty of social pressure was whipped up to make life very awkward for those people who would seem to put a burden on every one else.
When I first saw the movie the part where Billy the Cub leader shouts 'muscle!' and slams the mask over Logan's mouth, I was unsure what was happening. It was only when I read the Marvel comics adaption a couple of years later that the use of Muscle was explained.
I know Logan's Run was a long movie, but a release with all these deleted or even incomplete scenes would have been great. But I guess this was before VHS changed the industry
Interesting: if I'm reading the sign on the wall right, 'Cathedral Plaza' has a dedication date of either 2025 or 2075 (it's hard to tell), and next to it is "A.D." Which if I'm reading it right is another hint that the society in Logan and Jessica's time did not _start out_ that way. Apparently in earlier stages they still used Gregorian dates. Somewhere along the way the City of Domes appears to have gradually or suddenly changed into what it is by Logan's time.
That little extra bit of dialogue makes this scene way more scary, removing it is like removing the ‘scum and villainy’ line from Star Wars. Or indeed, adding a CGI 3 stooges comedy routine just after it… 🙄
It was orders from the computer, he had to befriend those suspected of wanting to avoid their death sentence, and find out where Sanctuary was. Least that's how I remember it
@@nicosmind3 Yes. Logan has been sent 'undercover' to destroy Sanctuary and break the escape railroad, and Jessica is his only lead on that at this point, so he has to keep her close and trusting. Of course, before long Jessica starts to get to Logan, too.
Nope. The version on Netflix is the standard theatrical edit. It does not contain Jessica asking, "Do you believe flameout is the ultimate thrill?" nor Logan explaining the affects of the drug Muscle.
Actually, that might make an interesting horror angle. The residents of the City are pure materialists, they don't even know what a 'ghost' might be. But if ghosts do exist, imagine how many ghosts must hover over the City, ghosts of people who died on Carousel expecting to renew, ghosts denied their rightful life, generations of them...
