I would love fractional frame gen factors. 1.5x would be perfect for 120hz lg oled tvs. Generating every third frame. 80 -> 120fps should be enough to mitigate 60fps -> 120fps input lag.
@@plasmatvforgaming9648I'll look into 1.5x scaling, although we may do something like 4x scaling before that. Ultra high refresh rate gaming is something we want to target, because people rarely get full value out of their 480hz displays
@@Hybred Hey, non-related... Is it possible to do downsampling? I kind hate the way it is done through Nvidia interface, and it would be interesting to have some kind of AI downsamplig (actually, I never looked up if one exists). Rescaling back to screen resolution can introduce some aliasing that AI could learn how to handle. Also also. Are you hiring? hahaha
Nothing like DLSS 3 Frame Generation, which is also a PC only thing, but this is yet another option, which means you can combine both. I almost feel like I have to insert an evil laugh here, because it is too op.
@@josephdias5859 Why is it that people always brings that up without even knowing how it works? DLSS 3 FG gives you around an extra 15 ms of input latency. Nvidia Reflex, which you'll always have as an option when DLSS 3 is there, lowers your input latency even more than that, so to sum this up: DLSS 3 FG + Nvidia Reflex + Lossless Scaling = less added input latency than Lossless Scaling alone.
i just tested a few games last night on my 240hz OLED lg 27gr95qe, on a 80fps lock in NVIDIA CP, and it was amazing, the input lag feels no different that the older 2x Helldivers 2 is really good, im yet to test some other ones! If you allow tearing and disable V-sync in Loseless Scaling, you get even better input latency at the cost of a bit of tearing! I was blown away by this, i was waiting for video from you now!
Unrelated to the video but if you didnt knew the free elden ring dlss mod now supports HDR. Perfect for the upcoming dlc. The mod is on nexus mods. The mod is called "temporal super sampling".
I'm using lossless scale for years. And i can say that is the program of all time 😂 Also you can try RTX HDR on lossless scale (game should runs at sdr and disable hdr support in lossless scale and let nvidia change the sdr picture to hdr) Thanks me later 😂
I tried both LSFG 2.1 modes (x3 and x2) with 4k oled 120hz in HFW and I liked the x2 more because it's smoother, has less ghosting, fewer image artifacts, and less garbling compared to x3.
I've been playing with this since it released yesterday, this is download more FPS made real! Also for your setup you have to try the X2 mode, from 60 to 120, it will look even better!
What I did, since I have an older PC (gtx 1070, Ryzen 1600) is to lock the display Refresh rate in Nvidia to 30FPS, that way I could max my game detailes, set the game res to 1080p, use the Lossless scaling LS1 1.3x, then used De-Judder 10/10 on my LG C3. It was wonderful !
My comments are getting deleted.... Change the input HDMI icon in the TV, from PC to Console and select Standard Mode on your TV for those options to become available.
@@ThisisCitrus I gain way more than losing. Doing what I explained above, I gave life to my 7 years old PC. I managed to play Last Epoch on MAX settings at 4K. Something that should have been impossible!!! Suicide Squad, no problem. On an GTX 1070 and an Ryzen 1600 and 16Gb RAM. :))) Only Win !!!
@@CrashBashL Higher latency, no 444 passthrough is rough to lose. But I can see it helping someone with an older computer. Its a shame that the C1 is still the best LG OLED. I'm going to try it on my rig and see how it looks though, appreciate the input!
I find that at 4k, I can use 1440p and LS1 to upscale the game up to 4k again and also use 3x frame gen on performance mode to get a better base framerate and not overload my VRAM (I have 3070). I also noticed better results with games with locked fps. Elden Ring is a very smooth 60 -> 180fps.
Question: If I have an rtx 4090 + i9 13900K and an 240hz OLED display, may I see a better motion clarity with this software than without it? I used for around 7 months in the past the RTX Frame generation integrated in some games. In competitives games ( like The Finals ) I did not liked it to be honest.....I can't exlain myself very well but something was not right...the fake frames was making me performe worse and the image quality was way worse. Now about single player games, even the frame generation definetly can boost your frames a lot... the quality of image becomes worse.... And I was asking myself recently....is it frame generation maybe adressed to low and mid-tier GPU'S ? Because I see absolutely no reason to use frame generation on my 4090 neither in competitive games neither in single player games ( because I preffer higher Quality image ) But in the same time I wish to be able to have a steady 240 frames. And you can have it with frame generation on but something about movement, input lag and the image quality it feels garbage after a while....
to get the best experience and smoothest from FPS limtere use RTSS Specifically A-sync in RTSS software Two frames below your screen Hz and g-sync & V-sync On 😊all love bro ty for you work
frame generating and resolution scaling is amazing, we just need games to scale to high fps. right now it seem like 60fps is a goal and getting 120 is impossible in more and more games. we need a high base fps to scale from. then we get all the benefits with no visible or input lag detectable. at 120fps scaled up to 220fps it was a equal compromise between input lag and fps so i choose frame gen off. so my guess is you need a 360hz display and higher to get all the benefits, and you can turn it on. depends on the game of course, some game engines are so laggy that you need 300fps before input lag disappears(cyberpunk). so in conclusion you need playable input lag first, fps dictates this in general. then add frame gen.
Yo plasma have you heard about renodx for dark souls remastered? It gives native hdr support to dark souls remastered. It looks pretty freaking sick and it gives you a ton of options to tweak. Like exposure and saturation for example.
I have a 240hz oled monitor. The motion clarity is very similar to my crt monitor with this program. It looks more clear than 240hz software bfi to me.
Hello, Are you planning to make a video on when to use hgig and when DTM, and what it looks like with RTX HDR, a whole guide on how to look and configure hdr/hgig on PC?
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 Thank you very much! Can you also tell me briefly what BFI offers, what games it is recommended to play and whether it is worth turning on this option at all?
It didn't work for me, and I asked a developer and he said Yes nvidia freestyle kinda works with Lossless Scaling. Bring up the overlay while your game is being scaled! The only shaders that work though is RTX HDR and Dynamic Vibrance
Hola hermano! Recientemente he comprado un nuevo monitor, el modelo es: Asus ROG Swift PG32UCDM Es de 31.5", 4k QD-Oled con 240hz y gsync. La verdad que es una pasada sobre todo en modo SDR se ve mucho mejor que la C1. Si quieres algún día te detallo mis opiniones . Un abrazo!
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 Gracias! La verdad que si. Necesito la 5090 para exprimirlo al máximo. Aunque también tiene opción de BFi a 120hz como la C1. Y tiene opción también para deshabilitar el equivalente a tpc y gsr sin tener que ir al menú de servicio. He estado jugando al doom eternal que tiene un HDR muy correcto y bonito a 240fps rock solid y he visto detalles que jamás vi en la C1 . Es amazing hermano ojalá puedas probarlo algún día. Lo único que no me gusta como punto negativo es la pantalla si hay demasiada luz ambiental natural la pantalla se ve como cuando el plasma está apagado en ese tono y el negro no se ve puro. Pero en cuanto baja las luz ambiente, yo he puesto una lámpara justo detrás del monitor ( como si fuera el ambilight de Philips pero casero ) y se ve perfecto el negro o con la luz totalmente apagada aún mejor . El GTG es de 0.03ms y el input lag menos de 1ms. En eso se nota también vs la C1 . Y el SDR se ve amazing nada que ver con el sdr modo juego de la C1. Los blancos se ven mucho más puros y los colores con más punch. Me ha costado el doble que la C1 pero la verdad que no me arrepiento. Seguiré usando la C1 para algunos juegos más tranquilos que nos sean shooters etc.
I gave it a try in Hogwarts legacy and it's so smooth now! I have it capped on 60fps and playing on 144fps. Without the program it was so stuttering and jumping from +100fps to 50. Pain to play but with this program it's so smooth! Only tip I would get is maybe try enabling tearing where you can tweak the frame generation. I feel like for me it reduces the latency so it makes it even better
At this point I am waiting for GTA VI... Not for the game, but for you to finally upgrade your GPU, as I have said before the RTX 4090 cuts frame times in half compare to an RTX 3080 Ti. The ship for RTX 4090 has sailed, now we waiting for RTX 5080 / RTX 5090. The frame time won't cut in half again is my expectation but for sure it will be something like 15% less if not more.
Been using it on Duckstation and it was behaving so well that i finished Parasite Eve 1 with it running on 30fps to 60fps which is a massive difference. PE2 and 3rd Birthday also works fine. Now i want to check Okami HD since i was always avoiding it due 30fps cap. Souls games at 120fps also sounds great. However fighting games like Tekken 6 felt pretty weird and not that playable at 2x the framerate - need to do more testings or maybe that's because i have reshade running with riva tunner. Tested Tekken 6 with 3x frame gen and it's horrible it runs at 48fps instead 60fps and reaches uneven 122fps. I guess my gpu is too weak to run xenia canary with frame gen so i will stick to 60fps.
Do you not find it causes bad latency, ghosting and flickering? Tried it on a number of games, on rdr2 arthur was literally flickering when i moved the camera. Also i cant sharpen my game when using this or it looks awful when i move camera. I use a 60hz display and cap it at 30fps with ultra low lstency and VRR on
I used it for 12 fps to 24, and it looked great. The low fps was because my projector is set to 24 Hz, but the projector itself has frame interpolation built in, and it looks like 60 fps. So in my case I get 5x FG, from 12 to 60. Pretty awesome. EDIT: I don't mind the input lag, I only play slow paced games.
@@barbuceanu2005 had no idea monitors could do FG. ive been using the mod by nukem as well as this and i get better results sometimes, like with hellblade 2 its pretty good but with cyberpunk it's so stuttery and laggy. Also i cant use any sharpening or i get weird glitches when moving camera. Its a very strange trchnology but hopefully the bugs iron out with updates as its basically free fps
Yes 80 fps is confirmed better than 40 at lag feeling and artifacts. But 120fps just killing the system with 360fps output on OLED its like nothing before. RTX 4090 can do this in almost all games at 1440p its like Cyberpunk 2077 + Raytracing and u can play it with E-sport experience.
the 2x, 3x is constant at any base fps? if you have 200 fps without FG, this software will give you 600? how much vram does it consume? does it use the in game motion vectors? are they needed at those high fps? say 150-200 base fps. say with flicks in FPS games, do I risk deacrivation due to lack of motion vectors?
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 Thank you! Is it more stable than AFMF on flicks and stuff like that? or should I not worry at high base fps? I have a 270 Hz monitor now and want to upgrade to 480 Hz 1440p WOLED this year. I need it to be stable all the time. DLSS and FSR FG only give like 30% more FPS at high base fps.
When using 120hz/120fps with native HDR and BFI HIGH (do we use tone mapping on or off ?), what should I set my EOTF / Mastering Peak / MaxCLL on ? I have an LG C1 so the max nits should be 800 and yet sometimes I see us trying to push 2000? Also on Lords of the fallen 2 the game is always trying to push 10.000 nits (I have removed all overlays except reshade).
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 One question, i want to buy the s90c but i have a rtx 2060. Is it good today for 4k with frame gen, that program you showed us in this video? Or should i upgrade?
Yes and for RTX HDR: I asked that question to the developers and this was the answer: "Yes nvidia freestyle kinda works with Lossless Scaling. Bring up the overlay while your game is being scaled! The only shaders that work though is RTX HDR and Dynamic Vibrance"
I use it for street fighter. It's still too much artifacting, but even that is better than 60fps lock. The more you buy, the more you save😂, did you watch one of the gamers nexus videos recently where they did it as a meme prayer in their intro? It's hilarious
@@barbuceanu2005 i play fighting games going on now for the 2nd decade, there's a chance I've played them longer than you've been alive for. Playing sf6 with vsync and framegen you're still equating the same input lag as consoles. It's totally fine and works great with 120hz black frame insertion. What's your source for your statement?
@@GFClocked Best case games for frame gen are slow pased games. SF, MK are games with very abrupt character movement and camera shaking. It's complicated for a FG algorithm to anticipate/interpolate new frames in this type of games. That must be the reason why you see more artifacts in SF compared to other slow paced games.
It seems you need a fair bit of gpu headroom to run this. I tried red dead redemption 2 on a 4050 and was getting less fps with LSFG 2.1 on 3x and horrible stutters on 2x
The problem is that VRR lowers the Hz to FPS so it can't work. But what they are working on is attempting to keep the smoothness even if the base FPS drops slightly
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 do i have to turn off gsync and vsync off in nvidia control panel but keep max framerate at whatever i can 100% hit consistantly for it to work properly then? or can i keep all that on and just lower the cap even more
Portal for me is not a good game, why would I game at 30fps on any game to favor extreme ray tracing? Also why would I run with path tracing on Cyberpunk only to destroy the performamce. Path tracing is not optimized fully, nor does any GPU today have enough tensor cores to run it well enough, nor will it run good enough om rtx 5090 either. I sont know why you people are attacking people with high end GPUs... What I am saying here is that triple frame gen tech like Ariel here is showing is quite interesting and I would lile to try it to see if I can get rid of the artifacts when locking to 80fps
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 I found the problem maybe this may help to others I tried Borderless Mode it works but if I use Fullscreen it doesnt work only cap 40fps but not smooth maybe for some it works for them in fullscreen
Hey buddy I am moving next week and don’t have the original box for my 55 inch c3 so I got a tv moving box from a hardware store. And was going to wrap it in bubble wrap and blankets and was curious how should I transport it. Vertically, on its face or on its back?
if fsr 3 is open source couldn't someone just modify it so that you can get 10x frame generation? Then use async reprojection to get rid of the input lag on mouse only with foveated rendering on the edges? Isn't that possible now?
I asked that very same question to the developers and this was the answer: "Yes nvidia freestyle kinda works with Lossless Scaling. Bring up the overlay while your game is being scaled! The only shaders that work though is RTX HDR and Dynamic Vibrance"
Yo lo he probado con Marvel Spiderman en una tv oled, funciona casi perfecto, Tiene algún que otro tiron. Pero va mucho mejor que AFMF que es inútil en ese juego.
So are you saying DLSS/FSR FG mods are better than this? I would like to test this but since my Cyberpunk 2077 is already benefiting from those mods I'm not sure if this software would be useless or not. Do you mean it gives worst image quality or fps?
@@InnerHacking Yes, the FG mods are always gonna look better, however they are more of a hassle to setup and they don't work universally like Lossless Scaling does. I could imagine that in a high fps scenario (for eg. using FG to extrapolate 120fps to 240fps) the tradeoff on visual fidelity with Lossless Scaling *might* not be as noticeable, but I haven't tested this. Personally I would still opt for DLSS/FSR FG no matter how high the fps as it's always gonna look better. To my knowledge DLSS/FSR framegen mods work only in games that support DLSS/FSR upscaling in the first place, so Lossless Scaling can for sure be useful in older games where DLSS/FSR is not available, also in older games your base fps is likely gonna be quite high so again the ghosting Lossless Scaling introduces *might* no be as bad. Tldr: use DLSS/FSR FG where you can. It's important to note that this is subject to change; AMD also has a driver based, supposedly universal FG option called Fluid Motion which you can just toggle in the AMD app so if you have an AMD card, try that. I got an Nvidia so I'm not really familiar with it and I don't know how well it works. I can only imagine Nvidia is probably gonna release something similar at some point.
@@InnerHacking Also, If you got a Smart TV, check out it's own motion clarity settings. From my experience they can work really well on 60fps games, 30 fps not so much. Be prepared to encounter ghosting on UI elements which is gonna look awful. Some of the FG mods manage to exclude the UI from FG, therefore resolving the ghosting on UI, because they can access individual buffers as opposed to Lossless Scaling or TV motion clarity solutions which work with the whole image. I found that if a game has a minimalistic UI, then It's really not going to be that much of a problem. Many games allow you to outright turn off individual UI elements.
I asked that very same question to the developers and this was the answer: "Yes nvidia freestyle kinda works with Lossless Scaling. Bring up the overlay while your game is being scaled! The only shaders that work though is RTX HDR and Dynamic Vibrance" I haven't tested it yet
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 crazy thing is when I enable backlight strobing it looks 3 times cleaner than the actual 180 FPS Effective MPRT of a 500 HZ at 500 FPS I use a XG2431 blur Buster 2.0 monitor with custom tuned strobing and large vertical totals trick to move the small amount of cross talk to the extreme top of the screen. Also enabled 180 HZ mode custom with CRU it's truly an experience playing a 60 FPS locked fighting game with the experience of a 500 HZ monitor at 500 FPS.
