Luz X Amity: The Ship We Needed 

its lumity not luzity

I feel like luz x amity is like bubblegum and Marceline but if they planned it in the beginning

please, for my sanity's sake, chance it to say lumity

@@rainbowglitch4842 Fixed it

Just to note, I use a VPN so I can watch the owl house on Disney Now. Since I live in Northern Ireland. And the Owl House is only available in America

As a lesbian I agree strongly! ✨✨

@Lara Davies thank you! I never spell anything correctly (dyslexic) unless it corrects me, so I appreciate it

I love it too

Fellow Bi waman also agrees

@StrawberryStar common mistake, bisexual is the attraction one’s own gender and a gender that isn’t our own. It’s not only male or female, that’s just a way to simplify it ;D

@@Cr102y I mean for one, that is still most relationships in media. For two, while it is true that the trope of redemption and enemies to lovers is common the fact that something is a trope doesn't innately make it bad. This is a case of actually the trope being handled very well. Most prominently because those wrongdoings were not forgotten but worked through. In addition what makes this relationship good is that as Chorus mentioned, it isn't drawn out. There isn't really a long will they won't they. In some way it is just two kids falling for eachother and then getting together. It doesn't try to pump up the breaks or force it into many seasons or add unnecessary drama. That is more realistic and far healthier than most fictional relationships.

I disagree felt rushed

@@plymbum6571 Not all of them,just some of the more popular ones. It’s not just that it’s a very overused trope,it’s also about the fact that Amity nearly got Luz killed over status was something that is rarely acknowledged,going from doing the bare minimum for Willow after bullying here for years to in-universe shipping in just a single episode is pretty rushed and not exactly making up for what she did,if anything it feels like the show was just trying to make the ship happen asap regardless of what happened in the story. It’s not drawn out or brought up as a last minute decision which is good but it certainly wasn’t developed in a way that felt natural or like a good payoff,and like before,going from nearly killing Luz and bullying her first friend in the BI (or perhaps even in general which makes it worse) to being her GF in a couple of episodes doesn’t just feel rushed but also not very healthy at all,a lack of drama isn’t exactly a lack of problems,especially since the show doesn’t really acknowledge them or treats them as problems which makes it worse than most relationships in media,arguably almost on par with other toxic relationships like Mordecai x Margaret,Catradora,etc.

@@garyforagerjr5074 I would say a core element of it is that it is a first relationship between teenagers. Crushes can form quickly and randomly and once Amity was pretty much a decent human being the relationship forming was pretty much only a matter of each of them gathering the courage (or more accurately Hooty forcing them to gather up the courage). The relationship isn't done and isn't stagnant. I think most of literature makes us imagine relationships as this thing that forms really really slowly and then in a big boom. This relationship formed quickly and now they have to figure out the ins and outs of it which is in some ways far more realistic.

@@Cr102y It's worth noting that those couple of episodes were still a couple of months. And while you are right that her actions towards Willow were horrible in some way I don't see why that makes her relationship with Luz toxic. Amity's interactions with Luz were by no means positive at first but were fundamentally rooted in miscommunication and not in toxicity or malice. And after Amity committed to changing she pretty much did so entirely. In that way there really wasn't any actual toxicity between them. They got into fights and disagreements before they got to know eachother and then spent most of the season getting to know eachother and generally being positive to one another. While it took longer for Amity to apologize towards Willow (a necessary step undeniably) it doesn't change that her toxic actions were not towards Luz and after Amity apologized to Willow it still took nearly half a season before they actually began dating. I think it is important to note that this isn't treated like some sort of grand endgame relationship but as exactly what it is. A first relationship between two teenagers. Of course it isn't perfect and of course they fell for eachother relatively quickly. But that doesn't make it unhealthy and it means that the relationship is fundamentally dynamic and will grow as they do. That element is what makes this relationship well written more prominently.

Personally, I've always seen her as "Slitherin Hermione" rather than Draco. Amity is top student, Draco only had his posse and his rich dad.

@@ArkadiBolschek but draco was really smart tho in his studies

@@ArkadiBolschek But Draco is such a diva, pretending to be too bad for this world but being an emotional mess deep down

@@ArkadiBolschek And the want of validation from a parent bring you to be an emotional wreck

legit they're just everything drarry possibly could have been

I read this with Hooty's *Really high pitched voice* , I love it

this. this is THE comment.

No, only the gay panic deserves all the happiness. However luz deserves only 50-75% happines

Hooty is the man

@@sktalking223 HUH

Same here!

Sounds like description of Deadpool

@@kendi5391 Except that she's a bit more sane... lol

when Sarcastic Chorus writes a good sentence, he writes a good sentence!

Agreed

Yep. I'm in love with it now.

It feels organic and the natural conclusion of amity’s characters arc

Same here. I understand why people ship tho. And lumity is pure goodness and some rep that was sorely lacking

Yeah same!

Plus you've got to admit, it's nice to see a couple that doesn't have their relationship of getting together dragged out over many seasons or for them to get together only at the end with no signs of how their relationship is afterwards. The only other Disney show I can think of that actually did this was Kim Possible(yes, I know they weren't a gay couple but that wasn't the point here) where they did show a relationship after the getting together, which wasn't perfect like all the implied other endings but stumbling work at making it a good relationship for each other.

exactly!

It's actually amazing that Amity (all the Blight kids, really) didn't turn out worse with such fucked up parents.

​@@ArkadiBolschek I think that it's because of her siblings. They are twins so they grew up supporting eachother, then when amity was born they were there for her

@@ArkadiBolschek Yep

​@@cliziamichielan1704for real. although my grandparents weren't exactly the best parents, my mother and her siblinhs had each other, and other support and loved ones, and they ended up as pretty amazing people who i look up to

I wouldn't blame her at all if she leaves Disney once The Owl House is over.

The flaws of the show don’t have much to do with Disney though,Amphibia had a lot more executive meddling than TOH.

@@Cr102y It's not a competition. Regardless of how much Amphibia was meddled with , TOH was cut short so plot threads and character arcs had to as well.

It's not a 'Don't say gay' bill. No where in the bill does it even mention the word 'gay'. It's much closer to an 'Anti-Grooming' bill. I urge everyone out there to read the bill for themselves and not let MSM tell them what to think.

Well, her show would be over so there's no resignation, it's not like she would've worked on another project or anything.

It’s probably down to Disney being so large an organisation, with different parts having different priorities.

Yeah and I wouldn't say Disney has "given" us that, they barely allowed the couple. Dana Terrace had to fight for Lumity and now, the show has been "cancelled" after the 3rd season AND reduced the number to 6 instead of 20+. So talk about homophobia at Disney

You need to stop thinking about Disney and other large companies as if they are people with an actually personality and values. It's all about the money. Always has been. Period.

The way I cope with this is, I support Disney creators, not corporate Disney.

"Everyone is welcome under the rainbow!"

Owl House and Surprisingly, The ZOMBIES movies have been having couples that...actually communicate their problems to each other? That come clean about issues? That work through them??? It's so refreshing to see, and it's REALLY nice to see LGBT+ rep in a cartoon. There are so many reasons why Lumity is a great ship, not just for a cute, believable relationship between teens, but for all the other things it says too.

Yassssss I'm proud of youuuu

Yay! So glad you changed your view. The power of stories!

Yeah. Lots of LGBTQ+ are typical people. They're not specific unicorns unable to belong. Just scapegoated, so that there's someone to blame. I remember back then when if someone were acting or sounded a certain way, you'd get called gay. Same with just if you hated someone. "Gaaaay!" I hope they know that HIV came from a chimp, and that Leviticus from the Christian Bible dislikes people eating pork, selling land permanently, and shaving. Plus, his famous line mistaken for despising homosexuality actually is for incestuous relationships.

I'm so proud you changed! It's not easy to shake off things like that.

Yay, sorry about what you were taught

Actually yeah same 😂😂

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Same.

Yeah, it was a show I knew I was gonna eventually watch, I just watched it sooner because I knew it was gay

Samee

and its treated like the cute relationship that it is. No drama for being gay or coming out, its just normal 😭and also a healthy relationship. Its a cartoon but this ship truly means a lot to me

Don't put every straight guy or gal in the same bag

oh it's SUCH a different feeling to have it be explicit all the way through the show. It feels so comforting and safe. I love TOH sm!

I think you're in for a surprise in about 30 years.

as a straight person i see why it would be a big deal. it may not affect me but glad to see it helps others

I mean, there's absolutely no question about that, especially considering there's no war that splits them up with one getting friends and the other getting less mental stability.

Definitely. Catra and Adora were a fine couple in the first episode..after that it just went downhill

I love catradora but totally agree. This is why I prefer rivals to lovers to enemies to lovers! The latter can make things... more problematic. I don't think Catra and Adora's relationship is really problematic, just... yeah. Lumity's much healthier.

@@DustyStarrs yeah, but even before Adora and Catra became enemies, their relationship wasn’t healthy growing up. And Amity was about as mean to Luz as Catra was to Adora

@@paolotorres8537 true

Like legit, the earlier bits of their relationship was what helped me figure out why draco/Harry was a ship

I would add “with a redemption arc”

Even Odalia was accepting of her daughter coming out but why the girl of her choosing.

i love how everyone thought she was gonna be homophobic but then she went “damn…she’s poor” 😭💀

RU-vid asked me to rate your comment from poor to excellent. I gave it a "excellent"

Yeah like it could’ve waited just a little bit but you know with toh basically canceled so it was the best choice they could do

@@Ghostface1998 yea that’s true

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Definitely. It did feel a slight bit rushed when they went to “not hating eachother” to “crush”, but eh, I did binge the two first seasons.

@@virginiafernandez6846 It's definitely the binging, because that's not how they developed. They went from not hating each other, to further understanding each other, helping each other through various different challenges, and then becoming friends, at which point Amity's feelings became clear, but were still mostly one-sided. Wasn't until the second season that Luz realized her own feelings, and then we had the allotted period of pining but not getting together. All the pieces were in place. The real difference between Owl House and other shows is that it doesn't drag its feet and has an actually good pace.

Not only does it look better, but it has some of the best hairstyles too.

Took the words out of my mouth.

….shoot you’re right-

oh my... that explains so much

Not really but it is the easyest way to say it.

lol when my friends and I first saw her we actually called her "Green Pacifica" lmao, good time few years back. or as my friend would say, "Owl House is a child between Gravity Falls and Little Witch Academia"

Good for you. I realized what I want my relationship to look like

I wish I had them when I was discovering my sexuality in middle school and highschool. This would have saved me so much drama trying to figure my shit out and what to do for my crush. 🤷

I knew I was bi before I watched TOH, but seeing that representation just reaffirmed and validated it. I just love how validating the show is for all your weirdness!

this!

Don't compare zuko to carry, zuko is far superior

@@YoItsKernal first and foremost. I didn't second of all even if I did this is how comparisons work. by comparing things that are similar yet not the same. we can discuss if it is a fair comparison or something like that, but I don't care. I like both equally a lot. zuko is my childhood and catra is my female rebelious teenage years I never got to experience. I cannot discuss them fairly or objectively, whatever that is supposed to mean, and I don't care too. I am not a literaturely analist or something. I am a fan of both. Also you are not wrong catra is the carry in this freaking relationship with adora the oblivious

@@hellNo116 bro I was joking calm down 💀

exactly! refreshing to see a character who reflects on herself so quickly!

...and that's why Amphibia wasn't canceled.

Fixed it.

@@SarcasticChorusThank you!!

@@SarcasticChorus now it says "Lamity" which is equally as offensive 😭

I took 69,96 points of psychic damage. Trust me, no matter how you look at it, nothing about it was nice.

At least it's not toxic cough cough catradora

R/accidentalally

Im straight as far i have tested it, and i never had a problem with LGBT+ couples, or any couple at all, as long as they're good written and healthy, which to be fair 90% are not...

@@Ashlee665 this doesn't seem accidental...?

Yeah, and I like the fact that they showed that. Looks like they're planning on addressing the issue.

I agree it felt like a very nice breath of fresh air, I've always had an issue with lots of kids or teen shows having such toxic relationships or pointless arguments that aren't dealt with in a healthy manner.

I mean... They can be. You just genuinely have to go out more and meet MORE people. This is coming from a disaster with social phobias.

Yuuuus same

Well said

people are that way, but the world is harsh, exploitative, and cruel. don't blame them for trying to survive.

as a willow stan i can tell you i’ve already been ready for it, hopefully they get more time in 2B.

Rise!

they already have a lot of screentime in season 1 why people say they don't have enought scenes in the series

@@lion_5404 I'm pretty sure when people say this they mean by that we don't get a lot of things about them,Understanding willow is more an amity episode,they get shoved to the side for other charcaters

good news the latest episode she has the most screentime compared to amity luz and gus! plus she gets more development

Yeah, I hope you're right

SAM was the quickest

SAM was the quickest

Wg06

Plus there was a the voice recording of Luz hinting at lingering tension between Willow and Amity.

I have to agree with this korra really isn't as bad as people say it is and this is coming from having recently rewatched it and grew up watching it. While not perfect it can't bring myself to say it was bad

I actually really didn''t find Korrasami do be a well done gay couple back when I was actually watching it (though this was part of my hard right/anti-SJW phase an angry bi so that probably didn't help). I get they didn't have the choice, but it felt really underdeveloped and almost "forced," like they couldn't think of how to resolve the love triangle and just made it gay for the sake of politics. I also just really didn't like the writing and world building compared to TLA. I haven't watched it in years though, so maybe the gay stuff isn't as bad as I remember.

@@awsomelyrandomstuff916 it is as bad, but the thing is, Is that if you like aspects of it, you won’t find it that bad

Honestly I watched Korra this year and there was barely no chemistry between them shown on screen. Also something I've recently learnt - the show 6Teen had an out lesbian character way before Korra or any of the other recent shows with barely any rep aired...

Lumity is here because of Korrasami.

yeah, i agree I just forget that the shipping is there for the plot

I also don't like how Luz just fell in love with Amity. Before episode 2 Luz was the oblivious protagonist and then BOOM she is madly in love with Amity. It felt a little out of nowhere.

@@valentinkambushev4968 I think she have liked her (romanticly) since Prom of what the crew has been saying, though yeah it isn't super obvious in the show

The library job part was bad, yes. But Luz went out of her way to go through multiple dangerous trials in order to get it back for Amity when she was not required to.

@@valentinkambushev4968 Luz spends a lot of time trying to become friends with Amity for a whole lot of no reason, she doesn't do that for any other witch she met that started out antagonistic. She was attracted to her from the beginning.

@@valentinkambushev4968 It wasn't "out of nowhere" it was properly paced. You're just used to the "will they, won't they" trope being dragged out way too long to see that this is just the START of their relationship. She isn't "madly in love" she just started dating the girl.

gosh THANK YOU I always feel like I'm being super grumpy when I feel like this!! it's really cute and I think it's absolutely wonderful that such a popular show has a prominent gay relationship between two major characters, but during the hiatus I got a little sick of seeing so much of them when there was so much other cool stuff to focus on- I feel better now that the show's started again and I don't just have to rely on fan content, but I think I'd always find it kind of alienating because I'm aroace jsjs

@@awkwardsauceart I'm aroaceflux so I get it! Good to know there are people who feel this way about Lumity and it's not just me being a grouch :3

I'm just waiting for Willow to get her episode this Saturday

THANK YOOOOOU

Say it louder for the people in the back

What about Adora and Catra?

@@paolotorres8537 They played coy with the are they sisters or lovers thing for too long, it should have been locked down it was supposed to be romance earlier.

@@thomascochran7907 they’re lovers who were raised as foster sisters.

@@paolotorres8537 Yeah I know that but the show kept it vague on the direction their relationship was heading until the last season. That’s the problem, a romance needs time and effort building it up. All the the relationship beats between catra and adora could’ve also worked for a estranged sisters story except for the last season. Romance needs time dedicated to just romance.

@@paolotorres8537 The Attraction was definitely there on Catra's Part, but I didn't really feel it on Adora's Part.

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Oh, I completely forgot about them.

Im with you on that

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50s. She got the curse just after graduation. And she lived with it for 30 years

​@@420sakura1 Although I think people in the boiling isles live for a REALLY long time so... it's hard to say...

@@420sakura1 I think she's actually 45

@@probablyahuman1 fair enough

@@420sakura1no, she got the curse when she was around Luzs age, maybe a bit younger, though she did have it for 30 years.

And here I thought I was the only one who assumed the same thing about the hooty episode 😭

finally someone here whos mnot just blinders on fanboying, i share a similar opinion, owl house is ok but its not great

I do honestly think this is more a problem with Disney interfering with Dana's vision and ideas. All I'll say is, it can't be just a coincidence that basically *_all_* Disney shows start episodic before changing to more story driven plots a season or two later and subsequent seasons being regarded as better than the first or first two *(cough Gravity Falls, Amphibia, Star Vs, DuckTales iirc, etc cough).*

And formed in the middle instead of at the very end

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Tbh I’d actually kind of like them to break up, let me explain- their relationship felt kind of rushed so I think it would be interesting for them to realize that they rushed into it and they weren’t really ready so they break up (which would probably be prompted by whatever that emperor dude is planning) and maybe they could meet again in the future or somethin idk

@@honeybun8823 I mean the show did get its runtime heavily reduced so they prolly couldnt do too much about some of the relationship progression being a bit fast. That said, I do like that they ripped the bandaid off instead of dragging it out til the end. Can only take so much pining.

@@MrWanton16 yeah that is one of the good things

​@@honeybun8823 That's just silly on several levels. First of all, it wasn't rushed. Other shows just don't know what good pacing is. Secondly, that idea sacrifices what makes this relationship unique and turns it into another pile of crap "we're too cowardly to show the relationship until the last two minutes" storyline that LGBT people have been getting for decades of television. And third, that's not a good reason to break up outside of a soap opera. Let's say they do go with the idea that they rushed into things... remaining in the relationship and trying to figure it out from there is far more interesting and logical than breaking up and doing the same thing, *especially* if the plan is to get them back together again anyway, which just results in them pining for each other again. That's just redundant.

yes

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I believe when the Disney official RU-vid channel posted them getting together it was titled luzity and he is making fun of it

@@njivwathomassilavwe2056 k then

U usually don’t say someone’s full name in a ship name lol, so that’s why people went wit the “m” in amity’s name

WAIT AND MIRACULOUS?? I dont watch it anymore but im crying, how do you knw every show ive ever loved?

no one has a deep intricate story, its all been surface level, with mild dips

Yesss

I like Carwin. It’s so out of left field.

Ewww Lily Orchard...

Wait Lily is positive about this? She’s usually an extremely negative person.

@@SaKura-il8op she once thought amity was fucking boring but now she loves her.

@The one and only when I tell you I am STARVED for good quality Lumity content XD

@@SaKura-il8op she's an absolute chaotic gay mess over this pairing and it's a joy to witness!

HA! We wish…