A little girl is dying from holidayitis and the only way for her to live is to trick her into staying alive until Christmas. How best to do that? A Magical Snowman story of course! Thanks Goodtimes! phelous.com / phelous
I'm pretty sure she was dying because her parents hadn't gone to see her once and she was just starving to death. It wasn't the story that saved her, it was the fact her brother actually gave her some food.
"The children were happy all the time, because the princess cast a spell that took away their free will and didn't allow them to feel sadness. Parents were horrified as children danced and played during funerals or giggled and smiled even when the kids suffered horrible injuries. So princess Electra sent all the parents to the cornfield."
+Lotus Prince Here is a prescription for a chocolate calendar but that will only keep her alive for 24 days so you better find something like a story split in parts so she can't die close to the finish line
+Wrath's Turntable Time Machine Rocksmash Attack (AKA The Mysterious Reuploader, Ace-edo Mask!) Nah. I'm gonna live after I die. Everyone likes the undead.
Wrath's Turntable Time Machine Rocksmash Attack (AKA The Mysterious Reuploader, Ace-edo Mask!) But now I can consume the flesh of the living to fuel my hellish existence. Fun for the whole family.
Honestly every single time I hear the "that's the way, uh huh uh huh, I like it" line, I automatically think it's Phelan making the characters say something ridiculous. And every time, I'm stunned by the fact that no, that's actually the original line, and the script was THAT STUPID.
Man.....deep within this shit pile of a movie is a tiny gem that if reworked and rewritten heavily, may actually be a good story. Something like the sister having a fatal illness and the parents can't really bring themselves to say it to the brother. He gets the idea that telling stories will help her feel better. It does help for a little while up until Christmas when she passes away. It's devastating, but it ultimately brings the siblings that much closer together in the end. The girl learns through the stories to not give in to her illness and despair by using her imagination in the stories contributing on her own rather than having a stupid snowman tell her to. This comforts her near the end of her life. The boy learns to care for others besides himself and realizes this event brought him much closer to his sister than ever before. I think I would eventually end it by having the brother grow up, become a pediatrician and continue to treat children while telling them stories. The creepy snowman can go melt on the surface of the sun.
That sounds brilliant, a great deal better than what the movie actually ended up being. Having the brother grow up to help other sick children is a really poignant end to the movie too. Maybe even have it be a kind of twist where the movie starts with a doctor telling the sibling of another sick kid the story (because they're scared to spend time with their brother/sister when they're in that condition), only to reveal his identity at the end to add more weight to it. Another idea, if they HAD to have a happy ending, just have the sister not be able to walk anymore (due to an accident) rather than dying. Her disability sends her into a deep depression to the point that she will no longer leave her bed (refusing to even try using her wheelchair) or even eat; so her brother decides to tell her stories about how, while she may not be able to do everything she could before, she's still capable of amazing things. Then the film ends with the girl finally leaving her room to share Christmas with her family.
i wached this movie dubbed when i was young it used to be one of my very loved movies cause the dubing had changed a lot of the bad parts and made the snowman have a calm fatherly voice even removing a lot of the lines like the he wont swim replacing it with him being afraid of the water , but godamit seing it like this brakes my heart , i dont remember specifics about that dub but what you rought is what i had goten from the movie
This is pretty silly, but the story has potential. A young boy trying to help his sister regain the will to live through an imaginative story he wrote for her. A little dark for a kids story, but it could work. Maybe the snowman could actually represent the girl's pessimism, constantly poking holes in the story. Like at the end, the girl could just get pissed off at the cliche sappy ending and the snowman becomes the villain as her health deteriorates.
Honestly, that line's more a victim of bad writing than bad message. The idea is that Emery _is_ capable of things, but she's convinced herself that she can't do anything and is stuck in a loop of negative thinking. Snowdin's line is supposed to be him talking her out of it, and convincing her that she needs to not listen to the part of herself that's saying "I can't do anything". Snowden kind of alludes to this shortly before the line by saying, "Her fear is interfering with her magic." But it's really, really terribly written and ends up being the same kind of victim-blaming bullshit that pervades this whole movie.
You know it might have been fine if the little sister just couldn't walk and wasn't about to die, the girl would feel depressed for loosing her legs but her brother would tell her the story to help her cope with it.... i am probably putting more thought into this then the creators.
For a little girl who's dangerously ill and could die before Christmas, Emery Elisabeth sure sounds WELL. Listen to her! She sounds glowing with health! Not WEAK or ILL at all, even in the real world scenes!
FollowTheWizard Alas this is a thing even in good movies/TV shows. Ive seen healthier looking characters than me on the brink of death after being shot, amputated, of just dying of severe illness that should makes you look like shit...
Exactly. There was no need to have her be deathly ill. She could've easily just suffered a broken leg and been upset about being stuck in a wheelchair.
So remember children, if you're disabled or sick and about to die, it's your own fault for not trying to want to NOT be sick anymore ! You don't need medicine or care or prosthetic limbs or whatever, all you need is to ~believe~ that you're able to walk and your legs will magically work ! Nobody will help you and you'll have to solve your own health problems yourself by just wishing them away. A children's movie.
Honestly, the story about a brother trying to keep his little sister alive with stories and cliffhangers could have been brilliant, heartwarming, and a children's classic had almost anyone OTHER than Goodtimes produced it. It reminds me a lot of Bridge to Terebithia and 1001 Nights. PS Aren't those kids the kids form the Goodtimes cheap cash-in coaster?
Maybe they shouldn't have gone with a snowman that literally sounds like the drug dealer that turns into a snake in that old commercial... "Do I look like a guy who would lie to you? YESSSSSS!'
Reading the subtitles at 2:57, you get the following: [silence] [more silence] [even more deafening silence] [your speakers didn't break, everything's still silent] And they just get better from there. Whoever wrote the subtitles for this video, you made my evening.
Em's "illness" sounds like a really dialed-down version of *Polio* if she's slowly dying and can't walk... Maybe Goodtimes wanted to leave the idea of "kid in an iron lung" to Dingo, so they toned down the severity a bit.
Also I think it's safe to believe that parents who accept the idea that willpower is effective enough medicine to get over terminal illness would also be anti-vaxxers.
@@lunettasuziejewel2080 Vaccinations have their place but they are not the wonder cure some people make them out to be. It is perfectly reasonably for people to not want to be vaccinated against not so severe illnesses.
@@gameking8809 A couple things: 1) Vaccinations are not a "cure" at all; they are a preventative measure. Specifically, they train your immune system on how to fight off a specific disease. 2) Polio is, or rather, WAS a serious disease--while rarely fatal, it was often debilitating. And we can say it WAS a serious disease because its incidence has decreased by 99% since 1988, due to the wide proliferation of--you guessed it--vaccines. 3) And it's really NOT reasonable for people who are capable of getting vaccines to instead be all "y'know, I *could* take measures to protect myself but I think I'll risk getting myself and other people sick, potentially fatally, because...because." Like, you can argue that people should have the right to do that, but that's a pretty textbook definition of "being unreasonable."
It would be amazing if her survival actually didn't depend on that she wakes up Christmas morning and the kid just misunderstood the doctor saying something like "If her health doesn't get any worse and she doesn't die in a few days that's probably a good sign that she'll pull through"
I have to say, while this movie is overall bad, I found the voice acting pretty legit. The kids and the Charlatan were probably the best-voiced characters.
Y'know, I almost want to be fair to the story Landon tells since it does have the feel of just that: A story made up by a kid on the spot. Just like how he basically takes designs from Frosty and The Snowman. Then the dark moments are from when his weird uncle came over that one time and let him watch a horror movie. Doesn't excuse the poor framing device, bad messages, and the constant animation errors though.
The "if she makes it til Christmas" thing could have worked if, IDK, if that was when the medicine she needed was going to arrive, or if the worst of the weather that worsened her condition was over, or heck, they could have given some excuse. EDIT: Ok, technically the Father said if she gets better by then the daughter will be okay, which makes a little more sense. Basically the Doctor is saying she needs to start recovering by then to make it. Also, him telling her to eat suggests that maybe the reason they said she needs to "want to get better" may be because she's been refusing treatment. Many patients will sometimes give up hope and stop eating to die and end their pain. The Yuck Guy was wearing a scarf around his face while stealing the smile. His face was exposed when they opened the box. The scarf may have protected him.
*+PyroGothNerd* I dont remember clearly but i think i assume it was a virus and if she gave in then she'd basically give up and the virus would kill her but it would have died out if she stayed alive long enough and christmas was just the date it happend to be. But since it was literally MANY years since i last saw this movie i cant say for certain but i still liked it even though the bad guy was one of my childhood terrors :3 EDIT: Oh wait! Maybe the reason you just gave was what i thought as a kid. That she needed to have recovered by then! Again i'm not 100% certain but i think it could've been what i thought :3 As a kid i felt everything made sense in it's own way. Even the girl turning her wheelchair into all those vehicle- Hey i just remembered! Didnt he say the limit was her wheelchair could only turn into things with wheels on them? I must also point out the scarf and the hat would actually explain why he wore them as he stole her smile. Good point! :D And the food part. You make really good points! :D
DA MotoNeko "even though the bad guy was one of my childhood terrors" Be careful kids, or the evil Yuck man will make you work in his Yuck factory! "What about the monster under the bed that eats souls?" NO, YOU'RE SCARED OF THE YUCK MAN, NOW GO TO SLEEP.
The funny thing is....the concept of this movie is actually not bad. Keeping a positive attitude has been proven to do a lot of good for someone suffering with an illness, especially for a child. The idea of using a story to keep a sick girl's spirits high can actually be good...if it's done well. This movie's characters, story, and especially animation, all fall completely flat,, to the point of it being mean-spirited and harsh at times. But what else would we expect from Goodtimes?
Note to self: Don't drink a milkshake while watching Phelous. Seriously, I almost spat all over my keyboard after "Guess she didn't believe in her butt hard enough."
The reason the kids weren't smiling is because Electra lost her power and could no longer force them to be happy, so they all reverted to their true feelings about being there, stolen away from their families. Merry Christmas!
"I'll just build a doctor out of snow because, that will be more effective then that quack we had coming by" and as much of a joke as this was... That is exactly what happened.
Was the creator that kinda guy that tells someone "Have you tried not being depressed?" It seems a little mean-spirited the way this is put forth and it's never good to have a children's story involving someone with disability being cured of said disability by the power of magic. It makes things a little awkward.
Thank you for saying that. I know they mean well, but those people are incredibly annoying. Folks who suffer from depression want to be happy and more cheerful and they realize that they're being a burden on others... so telling them "don't be sad stupid" is not helpful at all, in fact, it makes them feel worse about being depressed
People like this honestly piss me off. It's basically saying "it's your fault that you're sick/injured/disabled because you didn't TRY hard enough not to be." I also really hate people who use the "you have to choose to have a postive attitude" thing. It's just a cop out to not have to actually acknowledge/deal with problems by claiming throwing happy thoughts at them will fix everything.
LittleNorwegians It wouldn’t shock me if this was not initially written in English; it certainly seems like a poor translation in certain parts, like the doctor saying she has to get better by Christmas,
@@eddiedingle767 Jetlag Productions is based in South Korea from what I've heard so it's very possible if the script was written by someone who worked there.
"Are those beds made of marshmallows?" "Does that look like marshmallows?!" D:< "Yes, they are." O_o I've seen this video a hundred times and I still die at that part every time. XD
Gat the Man Maybe it's the original Elektra. As in, the one the Elektra Complex is named after. I'm not even making a joke about that; all you can do with it is NO.
Well if Yuckhole can have Gandalfs staff I don't think that we should question things. I'm also positive that the kid murdered his sister to take the one ring and slowly devolved into a sick creature that is only a shelf of it's former self.
Landon: I've never seen a smile like that! Snowden: And I'll wager you probably never will again! I can't unhear this line without the Halloween theme right afterwards.
Honestly the idea of a Christmas story Scheherazade that starts telling a story and stops on a cliffhanger every night before finishing the story on Christmas is good, if only it was attached to a better story.
Here's a better prompt. There are two children child A and child B, Child B doesn't believe in Santa and child A knows that Santa won't deliver gifts to children that don't believe and has 12 days before christmas to get child B to believe in Santa so they start telling a christmas story to child B every night and every night they leave on a cliffhanger before starting a new story within a story every night until christmas eve. It's a good way to get an anthology flick while also having a message on faith.
*+Dexter McPherson* HEY! I thought the name sounded familiar! I remember i loved the one about Clifford's puppy days :D What can i say? Him being a pup the size of a small bird made a good contrast to his current size of a house scale! :D
DarksideEXE When I think about it, if some talented or skilled people would be behind this, it would make for a neat little framing device, or piece of continuity... nor sure how I'd describe it. Eitherway, it would be kind of nice, but with Goodtimes...blah
That thumbnail reminds me of a way my sister likes to scare me. She puts on a couple layers of winter clothes and heavy sunglasses and stares through the windows at me. Either that or she waits just around a corner. She’s made me slightly paranoid about corners and windows.
My dad had a frighteningly similar prognosis of "if he doesn't die by Christmas, he'll be fine", though it was more of a "if these antibiotics that work either really fast or not at all don't work, he'll be dead by Christmas." Well fuck, I guess I should've told him some shittier stories. I made a huge mistake, telling him about the new Star Wars movie and how much I liked it, or my brother and sister made a mistake, telling him that they wanted him at their weddings. I guess he didn't want to live hard enough. Or maybe Christmas isn't a magic day that cures cancer, since he lived through it only to kick it two days later. Or maybe I couldn't build a nightmare flasher snowman outside his window because he wasn't on the ground floor of the hospital and there wasn't snow at the time. I think that's what went wrong. HA HA fuck this movie.
I just want to say, i'm quite surprised by how much content you release in so little time while still making quality work. Just stopping by to give appreciation for the hard work.
So, wait.. The Charlatan died and became the Crypt Keeper? This movie has killed my brain. I can only imagine the sequel. "Hello, Boils and Ghouls! Crypty's back to turn your entire world into a de-FRIGHTFUL SCARYtale! EEHEEHEEHEEHEE!"
I saw Kathleen Barr and Andrea Libman were in this and cried a little. "THE GREAT AND POWERFUL TRIXIE NEEDS TO MAKE A QUICK BUCK OFF THIS SNOWMAN MOVIE!" Also the snowman sounds like Norbert from The Angry Beavers trying to smooth-talk someone.
Even funnier is that Barr’s profile isn’t of her, but of Trixie “Finally! Trixie has become so great and powerful that she has overshadowed her own voice actress!”
11:23 Phelous, to be fair, only the COVERS on the beds are waffles. Landon is probably referring to the ACTUAL beds, which, if you look carefully, you can see are white and marshmallow-like under the covers.
Man, it's so surreal to hear your own name given to a character in a movie like this. I will say, this seems like another case where poor execution botches up a concept that, in in the right hands, could have made for a good movie. It certainly has potential. Heck, even including darker and more messed up elements could still work if it's done well, but clearly, these people didn't give enough of a shit to do that properly.
1:39 "Anyvay, zat's how I lost my medical license!" 4:58 Meet Al Snowpone. 5:25 Papyrus: "SANS! HE'S STOLEN THE NAME OF OUR HOMETOWN!" Sans: "take it easy, bro. that snowman seems like a pretty 'cool' dude." 5:31 ♪Snowden the Snowman Was a creepy, smartass troll With a joint of weed, and a smirk of greed And two eyes that'd eat your soul.♪ 6:35 Electra sounds like a bootleg Mighty No. 9 boss. 7:00 Taste the rainbow, motherfucker! 8:42 Emery's "PK TrainChair" wore off! 11:12 Have either of you ever seen a marshmallow before? 11:55 "Because everyone knows that the bird is the word!" 13:45 How? Did someone rip her teeth out? 14:21 Don't you _FUCKING_ pull a "Dragon Ball Z" on me! 15:50 How the hell do you bring someone a rainbow? 18:10 Cue the Sonic drowning theme. 21:50 (Credit to Matthew Dilday) "Get some sleep so we'll eat your soul, sleep so we can eat it whole." 22:16 "I WAS FROZEN TODAY!"
Markus McCloud: 21:50, the way the boy and snowman are talking in unison is as if the boy was possessed by the Devil and is trying to hypnotize the girl so he can take her soul.
I have so many questions about the sister's illness, but... if she's not eating/malnourished, why didn't they (the doctor/a nurse) set up an IV drip? If she's maybe-dying but they're not sure if/when she's actually going to die, why is she not in the hospital? If she's depressed enough to not eat/not care if she lives or dies, why is she not being treated for that in addition to whatever her disease/chronic illness is? She seemed pretty happy and not-depressed when her brother came in? (IRL that wouldn't necessarily be proof that she's not depressed, but it's a confusing way for a fictional movie to play it re:characterization.) Was this originally not supposed to take place in modern times, but in Victorian times/generic "olden days," or something, but then they decided they wanted modern stuff in the movie too, so they just ignore modern medicine because plot convenience? So many questions.
I believe she's supposed to have Polio...and rather acute version if the doctor worries about death, but that would mean that-like you said- this girl SHOULD be in a hospital because she'd need a ventilator to help her breathe, since the paralitic polio(which she seems to have, what with the wheelchair and prolonged illness) paralizes muscles, and that includes(in extreme cases) ones we need to breathe. so death from polio pretty much means the sick person slowly suffocates to death. Which-if this is the illness GT wanted to go with- makes this cartoon have extremely dark implications...and makes the Snowman a really cruel and unfeeling, when he goes "you just don't want to recover" at her. also even if she did recover, her life ain't gonna be easy because polio results in muslce weakening and seketal deformities...and in most cases(latest studies show over 80%), for those who had the paralytic type(and in some cases of the non-paralytic), stuff like progressive muscle weakening and chronic faitigue and pain, come back in like 10-40 years later. so....again, poor Elizabeth isn't going to have an easy life...but since this is a fairytale with zero thought put into it, and with GT just throwing dart at an illness...it's just a happy hap hap ending.
Why is every single character in this movie creepy to an extent? ESPECIALLY the titular snowman? I'm not even sure what they were trying to go for with his character, they try to make him seem nice and a source of hope, but he ends up acting like a jerk and a creep most of the time. The brother, who is the only person actually trying to help the sick girl, is a jerk as well. Also I'm glad the snowman's name is spelt as Snowden and not Snowdin.
So... in this kid movie, you got; A Princess who captured childrens and take their free will with her magic smile, a Snowmen who insulted kids for no reason, a Gremlin who stole smiles and burned to death, an incompetent doctor who let a little girl die. How lovely X) The Cult Bugs are a bit creepy but Snowden is worst! This guy has no politeness or respect, is a jerk and a freak. Oh and he'll watch a girl sleep like a pervert, how charming!
I remember my awful 2nd grade teacher made us watch good times Christmas movies during December before the Christmas break. She praised them all as unique Christmas specials that will never be topped over and the 5 good times movies we watched included this movie, Rudolph the red nose reindeer the toy taker, and others I can't remember and thankfully won't. But the funny thing is I was the only one who didn't enjoy them while everyone else went crazy and praised them as Christmas master pieces just like my crazy teacher did.
Remember guys, if you’re blind just want to see, if you’re deaf just want to hear. And if you can’t walk just want to walk and it will automatically happen for you.. What a wonderful message.
This movie would be a lot better if Em were just depressed over becoming newly paralyzed from the waist down due to an accident or something, and Landon was trying to get her to accept and embrace her wheelchair. You'd think that's where they were going, actually, what with Emery being able to transform her wheelchair into other fun and exciting objects in Electra's kingdom...it reads like a metaphor for looking at your wheelchair as your access to the world, instead of something to be ashamed/resentful of. Maybe that was the original idea, and they were 3/4 of the way thru when some jackass thought they needed to raise the stakes and make it a matter of life or death...and grossly ableist at the same time.
@@xFlareLeon I wasn't referring to the moment where her wheelchair gets stuck when I said "a matter of life and death" |D I was referring to her being so depressed about being disabled that she becomes passively suicidal
Those "Lullaby birds" crack me up XD Like, how much less enchanting can you get with these types of birds? Aside from the owl (a bird of prey, by the way, and a creepy looking one at that) from what I can make out from the other birds, there's what looks like a wood pigeon, a vulture and a raven; the last two being scavenger birds associated with death. Like...really? Great choices guys. Most people would have cute little colourful song birds in a kids movie.
I'll give them SOME credit for trying to go for originality with their choices, but how about nocturnal song birds like Whip-poor-wills, or even loons and for some owls: barn owls and screech owls?
"If she gets better by Christmas then she'll make it" I think was supposed to mean if she hasn't died by Christmas, it's likely she'll survive her illness. I don't think that's THAT uncommon - if you're not worse by a certain timeframe, it's not super serious and you'll recover, basically.
@@sarah98917 diseases do have burn out/ recovery dates IE if it doesn't kill you by then it either runs out of steam or your body gets really good at killing it usually both or the latter
