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I will say though, that when it got "nerfed" back to 7 Mage did have better minions to cheat out than its original run in Boomsday. Kalecgos and other big idiots from like Descent of Dragons at the end of its standard run definitely helped.

I remember Playing it when it first got released and I was so shocked everyone was saying it was a horrible card. I took a deck build around it to legend then when it gets buff then nerfed back people were now like o not so bad 😂

iirc there were much better ways to discount lunas by that point

@@amethonys2798yeah Dragon Caster and Kalecgos were a big deal for several reasons in that deck and Luna’s was no exception

it's not about people "realizing" it's potential, it simply had better cards to build a deck around it.

I have no idea what MtG is and how it works, but I subscribed to his channel after Rarran's videos. This guy's positivity is just contageous :)

Yea, never let Covert stop grading HS cards. Every one of these are great!

I agree. I could watch these videos forever. The chemistry is so good.

I completely agree!

I like to sit and pretend Rarran and Covert is my childhood friends where we drink beer and play card- and tabletop games during the weekend, if we're not in the comic book store trying to find the "rare gems". I love you guys, see you next weekend for some D&D! :D

No way Mecha'thun was better, you could play The Shattered in any control deck at the time, and the pieces would all give you some thing usefull (although expansive) Mecha was only played on Warlocks, and warlock could do better things! Rarran is is definitely scamming on you!

Nah Druid mecha’thun otk was a fairly strong deck list. It can still be played in wild. There are two mechs that reduce the cost of mechs in your hand by 1 if you play both mecha’thun becomes 8 mana. You play out all your cards because Druid has lots of draw and armor you can usually survive till mecha’thun is the last minion you have. Then play it and naturalize which kills target minion for 2 mana.

​@@adamshoemaker7367Agreed. Being able to build your entire deck around stall for mech cthun was just a much better archetype and consistent than shattered. Guy above is coping outta his mind.

I'm disappointed Rarran didn't send the legendary Mecha'thun clip where Disguised Toast played Yogg-Saron, randomly cast a Mindgames which played the opponent's Mecha'thun, then randomly cast Myra's Unstable Element to draw his entire deck, then randomly cast Cataclysm which discarded his entire hand to clear the board.

Both Hearthstone and MTG do stat theming _really_ well.

wait that's actually genius

at least it's not 7 mana

​@@JoshSweetvale Good ol Yargle and Multani

Honestly I think either answer would have been acceptable in that case. Call to Arms has more potential in the right meta and with the right cards available to the point of becoming nearly game breaking. Oaken summons is just super good in any scenario, to the point basically every non-aggressive druid deck used to run it in wild until a while ago (I don't know about now)

​@@alessandrodebonis4888 They just dont run it because zephyrs and dragon druid that ramps, but any deck that wants to survive to do some dumb combo, oaken summons is to this day a "win the game" card sometimes against aggro

@@alessandrodebonis4888 Totally agree. If it's strictly a 1-1 comparison, the original Call to Arms was miles more powerful than Oaken Summons. But if you're saying "which one is the good one", well, they're both the good one. I remember seeing both all the time.

@@alessandrodebonis4888Taunt druid was a menace back then

That's what I thought his reaction was going to be, not chastising Rarran's content creation skills lol

doesn't matter. see a dino pick a dino

He picked it out of principle 🦖

Honestly, shuffling 5 more cards into your deck doesn't even seem like a buff to me. For context, MtG Arena has an online only card, Oracle of the Alpha, that shuffles the 9 most powerful cards ever printed into your deck when it enters the field. The card is in most cases dogshit, because effectively it just waters down your deck. Hearthstone decks are half the size of MtG decks, and Queen Carnassa is just filling your deck with 3/2 creatures, in a game where your creatures don't go to full health at the end of the turn, after forcing you to already build around low-cost creatures. It feels like it's trying to be late game payoff for an early game deck. If the game goes long enough for Carnassa to hit the field, I'd think you need bombs more than a 3/2 and a draw (most likely another raptor), especially with a maximum of 7 minions on the field at a time. Edit: on top of that, you have to spend your first turn doing nothing but playing a quest as an aggro deck.

​@@athaer7504 The rush helps a lot at least

I thought of that too lmao. Not a lie was told

I think alot of people were like cgb when the card got revealed

I crafted it day 1 of the expansion and thought it was gonna be SO sick. Yeah, no...

​@@grumpydoodle8455 Yeah, the issue is that you would need to build a bad deck so you could get raptors that would then draw you bad cards.

@@bouboulroz Another big problem was just due to how quests are inherently designed. Giving up tempo turn one is a massive deal with a low curve aggresive deck.

@@grumpydoodle8455yeah that was the biggest part Rarran left out. If you’re playing so many one drops in your deck, missing turn 1 is huge. The other thing he left out is that your board can only hold 7 minions which is a severe limitation for the raptors in late game.

This guy would love to play Warlock.

Yea totally, i love these videos way to much. I cant even decide if its better when rarran guesses or CGB, both dynamics are really cool and these 2 just work so well together. Normally i only watch CGBs videos and he is funny by himself, but Rarran gives him so many good opportunitys its great

Yeah - Its whole utility really hinges on the fact that it's reasonably possible to shred your own deck.

double strike that can hit different targets, I suppose

@@KnucklesGum it's not like you can target anything in mtg when you attack technically (without counting battle or planeswalker of course)

@KnucklesGum In hearthstone, usually when you're casting windfury on something you hit face twice and end the game. I agree it had more uses, but functionally it's just doublestrike

Doublestrike but without the firststrike advantage - you'd need to specify that because (as board centric as hearthstone is) killing an enemy creature while taking 0 damage would be quite powerful.

Double strike also works on defense as well though, it closer to an extra combat step effect just for that creature specifically

ye, these videos are long, but imo the editor is way too aggressive with cutting out the post reveal discussion

Eh, it was bad.

Yea but you gotta kill the dang thing so it triggers

@@lachlank.8270 You need to mill your whole 60 cards deck to proc Oracle. Not really a problem isn't it?

Funny because poket was good at 7 and zooka wouldve even sucked at 5.

Mecha'thun was fun everytime you could play it, personally I enjoyed the druid version more

One of my favorite decks

priest had a fun version too. reckless experimenter ticking abombination shenanigans

I remember when it was spoiled thinking how will we ever make this work it seems horrible. Then it's like oh we're getting creative in many classes to make the card trigger and it's not that hard to do.

I remember very fondly how Disguised Toast "optimized" Mecha'thun Warlock by removing Mecha'thun. Gave him one more slot for a good card and the opponents conceded halfway through the combo anyway before he ever played Meacha'thun.

Ok but counterpoint : nobody gives a f about wild since forever :)

@@Neofoxie Yeah uhm thats not true

​@@Neofoxieif you think no one cares about wild then you're wrong

in some ways yes, in some ways no. Wild is sometimes a beast unto itself, where sometimes the "best" standard cards are "meh, TRASH" in wild, and sometimes the "worst card in the game" during standard has a fringe interaction that breaks wild (when a low tier card in standard has to be banned in wild, maybe Wild is the problem)

@@Bob_Bobinson Then explain why nobody plays this gamemode and you encounter bots until you hit legend (and even then it can happen that some are still up that rank) ? Wild engage with very few players because of hard it is to get access to cards and so it leaves it in a state where only fewer and fewer player actually interact with it. It was never a successful gamemode but as the years goes by it is simply an empty desert now.

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Not really, Slivers very specifically share all their abilities (so if one of them can do a thing, they all can).

Tbf I think the card DID have promise if you....didn't die the turn you played it. Rarran was right that the dream is the card has psuedo taunt anyway since if they hit you 5 times they die to 34 damage from dragons. The issue is it isn't real taunt so you might actually die. I think the card would've been playable if it summoned smaller minions but with taunt so you actually had to deal with him since hitting face meant every other hit had to run into a 3/4 or whatever would be deemed "balanced".

To be fair that was directly after a 7 mana do absolutely, not even make a minion with big butt spell that rarran said was "If you played this and survived your win chance increased 200%"

@@FineOtteryeah but that was 7 mana and the next turn you drop five 10-cost game ending bombs. With the dragon you only get 6/6 that cant attack this turn. Wow.

@@CoNteMpTone 7 mana to 8 mana is not a huge difference, without the context of the other cards that were in the deck how would he know that that type of follow-up is likely (although it sounds more like a magical Christmas land to me, you draw 5 ten cost minions next turn everytime?), and yes you get a 6/6 plus the actual minion itself. Minions aren't nothing, especially if you don't no the meta and the types of removal/clears/meta deck archetypes. I'm not arguing that pocket galaxy is worse than the dragon, just that it wasn't "shocking" that CGB got it wrong and the previous card could have been a factor.

There's an 18/6 in Magic named Yargle or something and I don't think I've ever seen anyone play him. "Big meatballs" as Rarran likes to call them always look good but in practice they just die too easily while having no immediate impact.

And while Cheese was a silver-bordered card, it got reprinted into black-border as Barren Glory with the exact same rules text.

so, also note that Cheese was a continuous "if you control this and have nothing else, you win" (and yes, it's white) while Barren Glory is an upkeep trigger. These mean you have to keep those on the field, so you can't just play Apocalypse and win (because it gets rid of the enchantment). while Mecha'thun is a dies trigger. It doesn't need or even want to survive. So it works with sweeping yourself.

I think Control Priest also ran it, but only to counter Control Warrior in the fatigue game.

It was 1 of the top pieces to control priest yeah. Played this a ton. The remove it added was very good. Dont think it was so much less played then mechathun tbh. Control priest and warrior were played a lot. Would love to see numbers on this.

Why is nobody mentioning druid? The class which has sometimes better armor gain than warrior. Besides that they could play multiple copies of it and has ramp and generally better card draw.