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Kriparian and falcon guy*

Ran Ranch and Mesa Falcon guy*

Mesa Falcon versus Yeti Herald

I love mesa falcon guy

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True, rerran needs to remind him of that next time

Yeah, I think that's a big part of his Millhouse analysis

I am going to assume you mean the Manastorm battlecry. I think you are right, but even still, he saw an actual spell that WAS in this meta which would heal 8 life and draw 3. That's a terrible trade for a 4/4.

@hipunpun He arrived at the right conclusion anyways, it's just that he thought Milhouse was really really really bad instead of just really really bad

Yeah I was like if this let minions be free, the only way it would be playable is cheating it out so no battlecry happens because every deck has minions and spells, even against like zoolock millhouse would be a blowout when they went hey drop my whole hand into doomguard if minions were free off Millhouse. Amusingly that would be on flavor since Millhouse in the lore summoned a demon or demons IIRC.

Considering conversations such as "sippers or slurpers" spawning out of nowhere while talking about cards, I can only imagine what they'd come up with no topic at all.

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yeah that was driving me nuts

I mean, hearthstone players need to remember that everything is a spell in magic, and they don't specify it every time in videos either. The one answering should know the rules by now :D

I've never played Hearthstone (or watched any content of the game itself; just videos like this one) and I understood the card, so... I think it should've been implied by now? (Also, my gut instinct was that it would only be playable when the opponent is empty-handed... and even then they'd be drawing a card they could play.)

I think CGB has done enough of these collab videos with people that I think he should probably remember that spell meaning "any card" is basically just an MTG thing

​@@TheMansterTruck but he doesn't, so let's tell him lol

Any Magic player who doesn’t play HS would do that, unfortunnely ahhaha We read spells and we think “any nonland card”

@@DudaWeizenmann I have roughly equal time in both games, so it's a natural distinction for me. It's part of why I love these collabs so much.

Luckily Millhouse is mega garbo game-throwing tier whether he affects minions or not.

@@TheZedman5000 Yeah, you don't really need to be super keyed in to know that giving your opponent free anything is an insanely bad drawback.

it's basically unkillable

There is also important reason: Druid needed a threat that he could innovate to, but 3-drops and 4 drops were quite bad. There were only senjin, dark iron dwarf and yeti, but senjin is only 3/5 and did needed a minion (that Druid hadn’t) to be good. As soon as shredder appeared yeti was gone

For sure! CGB even called out that maybe it just hit a break point for removal at that time, and he was kinda right on that point, whether or not that was the main reason it was played.

hydrogen bomb: 4 mana 4/5 coughing baby: 4 mana 5/4

Most efficient damage was in the 2-4 range with 3 being the sweet spot putting Yeti into the perfect position to survive low cost and AoE removal while being cheap enough to play midgame and too cheap to feel good using hard removal on, add to that that the 4 attack was reasonably threatening and we have the reason why it was the best vanilla minion in the game. It hit all the sweet spots and ramp was just an even faster way to get it out.

That sounds like a ton of fun!

I suggest: Plants vs zombies: heroes

Eternal would also be a good shout. Since its kind of like a cross between HS and Magic but more simplified to make it specific to an online CCG.

@@lucjanl1262PvZH suffer from one of them needing to play zombie if the other play plants

@@theod4660 it's a cool concept imo to have asymmetric gameplay in tcg, I don't think it was ever tried before. It's also impossible to balance tho, not that it matters since the game is half dead

I just find it so funny that this was at all playable. (On the other hand, if Black Lotus was Standard legal, Black Lotus into Sheoldred would be extremely strong...)

It's a little closer to dark ritual into Juzam Djinn, but very much the same idea!

Getting killed by a 2/3 that survives is a death sentence that can easily snowball the whole game. It's crazy to think about how the whole game balances on a knife's edge like that.

I vaguely remember pint-sized summoner being tried back then but it was a long time ago so I couldn't remember if it was good. I was theorycrafting hey maybe this into yeti was good, but I can't recall. When he said it was bad I was like ahhh shucks, but yeah 2/2 super easy to kill in classic when so many hero powers deal 1 and then there are minions that could just attack it and trade.

Also, rarran didn't clarify that pint size summoner counts itself as the first minion, so it has to live a turn

@@SuperGamerNinja74 That should be obvious to an MTG player. MTG has a lot of effects like "the first spell you cast each turn costs {1} less", and those effects (almost) never apply the turn you get them because they are themselves the first spell.

Yeah. There have been 'mana dorks' in HS that have been incredibly good. Mech Warper being the obvious example, but what kills Pint Size isn't its stats it's the fact it has First minion so it has to live a turn.

Isn't Alarm-o-bot from Gnomes vs Goblins? This was up to Naxxramas.

​@@penitente3337 Unlike a lot of mech-themed cards, Alarmobot was from classic. Completely unplayable, but people made meme decks with it in Beta. I specifically remember Totalbiscuit playing a deck like that.

100%. In magic a card like that is fantastic. In HS it was awful. This was 100% his inexperience with HS combat. Similar to a lot of Rarrans mistakes based on magic combat.

The nice part about early Hearthstone was, you only really started to run into a majority of netdecks at around rank 10 or higher and could have fun against homebrew decks up to that point. Last time I tried playing Hearthstone I made a new account and I shit you not, 4 out of my 5 first ranked matches at rank 40 were against people (probably bots) running the same aggro netdeck.

Early Hearthstone really hit that sweet spot because powerful synergy strategies like Handlock existed but also yeah you had to fill slots with garbage sometimes. Probably a lot of the reason decks found room for shenanigans like Blademaster + Circle was because they had those extra slots to play around with.

Nowadays, as a f2p, I feel like "I need to have 30 premium cards, how should this go..." 😢

I haven't played hearthstone in ages so I don't know if it reflects modern hearthstone.. but what really made the game dull for me is when they started printing too many cards where it feels like they're hardcoded to work with specific other cards. Like, if you're building a "mech deck" it basically builds itself - there's almost no room for creativity because there are "the cards that are obviously overstatted, but require you to run X other cards" and "the cards you have to use if you want to use those overstatted cards". There's basically no way to build it differently - you had to run pretty much that exact deck or you have to scrap the entire deck to make something that has nothing in common with it.. and that kind of deckbuilding is really boring to me. Early hearthstone it felt like the synergy between cards was a bit more organic rather than hardcoded, in the sense that cards were used together because their effects actually compliment each other, not because the card is literally unuseable without the other card (for instance, something like argent squire + shattered sun cleric - the text on those cards don't have any direct relation to each other, but they just naturally synergize with each other because argent squire means you consistently have something in play to be buffed and also divine shield just works well with stat buffs in general), and when the game is designed that way there's a lot more room for experimentation.

Yeah the 4 power problem plagued priest for years with stuff like yeti, piloted shredder, and of course gadgetzan auctioneer in miracle rogue completely ruined them. The only answer they got to 4 power stuff was lightbomb, but then it rotated and it was all sad again.

@@dstreetz91 Wasn't there Entomb when Lightbomb rotated?

Entomb was playable but it was a bad rate to take down a yeti

Magic on average seems to have minions with lower raw stats for the cost, and then there is the HS reality of minions being able to bump into each other at will. Still, seeing the really old Magic cards it is weird that the idea of early expansions running things that are way below the current power level wasn't at the forefront of his mind.

@@fillosof66689 For most of Magic's history anyway. Nowadays non-green cards are moving towards vanilla hearthstone's standard of mana cost +1 attack or health while green speedran right past it and gets 4/4 for 3 by default now.

I thought alarmoboy was from GvG

@@Astroweaselsyou thought wrong

Yep it was no knife juggler. Knife juggler was so broken back then, it would just ruin people out of zoolock and company.

6/6 with trample ? and for only 6 mana?

@@eroslampitella2629 Sounds like it has good stats for the cost.

Now that's a powerful creature that will surely threaten your opponent's life total

Covert looks at Doomguard and just builds Zoo Warlock on the spot

That effect is _playable_ in MTG, but not _strong_ - not even from the very beginning. MTG has always had that effect at 1 mana in green (see cards like Llanowar Elves or Birds of Paradise, both of which were in the very first set).

​@@therealax6the key difference between those and an effect like the summoner is that, while a mana dork puts you ahead, it only does so by one each turn. With something like this, the value ceiling is way higher (see: that one cost reducing goblin in Storm lists, medallions in commander games).

Until then didn'tn't print the charge word

If you look deep enough into the yeti, the yeti looks back