This video is for educational purposes only. These are my opinions from my personal recorded testing on my own knives. Please do your own research to conclude how YOU feel about the topic! Thanks for watching.
Big (or ar least larger) companies like Leatherman, Reeve and Spyderco using it across multiple lines on a pretty industrial scale should reveal (or should have already revealed?) any broader or wide scale issues with the product in general. My feeling is that companies of those sizes surely wouldnt stick with something just out of weird brand loyalty if it was costing them money and time due to systemic issues at the source. I remember years ago there was a lot of this kind of talk about Elmax, until everyone at all stages of production got a better handle of it.
Agreed Pete, I honestly feel like they have the grand power and larger sample size to accept or reject if standards aren’t met, I feel like survive was a victim of initial stages of refining the exact heat treat process and Racine does hardness, but survive was already under the gun to meet pre order production numbers then an unacceptable batch was simply pushed through to meet expected production and keep a smaller business moving so I feel the blame lays on both sides, they make amazing knives and the whole thing is just unfortunate.
I hear ya Pete. That’s why I said- this is bound to happen with any material. You basically have to be financially prepared to cover unforeseen booboos like this when running a company. It’s just the name of the game. The whole thing was really unfortunate. I love Magnacut, and hope it all is sorted out now.
Seeing a bunch of clueless youtubers with bloated egos and their fanboys arguing against lab results like they actually have a fraction of a grasp of metallurgy and manufacturing steel is absolutely hilarious to me.
@@ericasedc agreed and that’s the danger of taking preorder money betting the bag and future of the company on an outside vendor which you have no control over. 🤔
@@Bushprowler I agree there are a lot of clueless RU-vidrs who simply repeat and mimic the opinion of others or just a general theory with no fact based daily use, there can always be anomalies in steel production for many different reasons. I would never just agree offhandedly without having evidence. Can’t tell if that comment is a dig or were both agreeing about misinformed people who probably don’t even daily use various steels just regurgitating what other clueless reviewers say 😅 I will say Pete has a knife lab 🥼 where shit is highly scientific, and no ego, he daily rocks the pastoralists hat and He’s used and sharpened more steels in more ways in the last ten years than probably anyone…😁
Zaedi on the hunt 🤣 magnacut for sure needs high heat treat, sounds like a great steel after!!! Looks beautiful in the video with all the greenery and of course your face!!
I agree with the way you addressed the issue. I have tried Magnacut from a number of manufacturers. The only issue I had was from very early on produced product that was softer than 62hrc. I very much favor it over most other steels! Also love the screaming sharp edge it will take and hold.
after watching alot of your videos I decided its time to try a new steel, and just got a bar of magnacut in the other day to play around with. I will keep an eye out for voids and such. thanks!
Just got my hands on a super A100, emerson had them in the lineup for a couple days. Just got the TKF1 as well. You put me onto the A100 and I can't thank you enough.
@@ericasedc There's really something about them. I carry a gen3 combat troodon as well and tbh I barely use it over my A100, unless I want to impress someone
it depends on who makes the blade i have two blades in magnacut one from Dawson knives that is the junkiest knife I ever paid money for and the other excellent perfect knife from North Arm knives from Canada
Survive still hasn’t delivered my 5.1 order from 2022. Garbage company with horrible customer service, I can’t even get a refund, emails and phone calls go unanswered. I’d urge anyone to stay away from the company.
Those Olipop sodas are amazing, the lemon ginger and rootbeer are my favorite. Transparent knives did a video about CPM magna-cut and the “voids” survive knives has been “finding” where he was able to reproduce them. I recommend watching it.
I just sent back a knife with cpm20cv it had 2 voids small chunks missing. I found them on the edge bevel , not the apex but the bevel. Interesting about magnacut.
I used to be a nondestructive test inspector/examiner in the Navy, I'm familiar with just about every kind of discontinuity there is in the forming of steels and what causes them. It sounds to me like CPM needs to get a handle on their quality assurance program in order to prevent defective materials from reaching the public. Of course, that will drive prices up, but when the end product is in question you lose face.
Correct me if I’m wrong but I seem to recall other steels you’ve tested have had similar issue. Issue in that it takes a couple sharpenings and the correct edge to get peak performance. Some like K390 for instance seem to be less “finicky” with edge geometry and performance. Maybe I’m crazy? Have a great weekend E! 😉
I'm glad the whole thing got sorted out. Guy's a good dude and doesn't deserve the bullshit that Crucible and Niagara put him through. Then the fuckers go and admit that they fucked up and then proceed to tell him they will no longer do business with him. They don't like when people call them out. Guy was nothing but cool with me every time I talked with him. Plus the knife I ordered from him showed up within a couple weeks and the ones I gifted showed up even faster
I totally see all the sides of what happened. The entire thing is unfortunate- it really is. I love Magnacut! Let’s hope everything goes up from here!🎉
You’re only getting guy’s side of the story and a picture taken out of context. Bob from niagra put out his side of the story on bladefourms. Guy is not a good dude. He lied through his teeth to me repeatedly. He has 9 year old open orders while putting all his effort towards some new model no one asked for
Hello Erica. Thanks for the video. If I understood correctly, you replaced the convex grind of the Bark River MagnaCut with a micro-bevel because you had already had a problem with a convex grind in MagnaCut on another knife from another manufacturer. But wouldn't it have been better to just first test what Bark River convex is worth in MagnaCut ? For example, you kept the convex grind of the Chris Reeve in MagnaCut. SO ? Why do it any differently with Bark River ? Have a nice week ahead and see you soon.
Hey! So if you listen to what I say- I state that I put a bevel on the Bark River Tope, because it came faulty. Not because of any other knife. I sharpened the Bark River because it arrived faulty.
Hello Erica 👋😃 What do you think of MagnaCut knives from... ● White River (WRM1) ? ● Spyderco (Native Plain and Native serrated) ? ● Viper (Basic 1) ? Thank you for your kind response 👊😘
Erica have you handled and used the full size javelin, been thinking about one ☝️ thoughts ? Totally agree with you on the cost benefit analysis in reference to hardness numbers and performance with the MagnaCut 👍 My bravo 1 lt in MagnaCut is one of the finest preforming knives out of too many, I feel like people repeat this myth about Bark Rivers MagnaCut
I’ve had a salt series PM2 for quite a while and I really like it. No issues at all. Spyderco has always done a great job with the heat treatment, which is extremely important with Magnacut. At least that’s been my experience so far.
Clearly Magnacut has quality control issues. Voids, cracks, porosity and inclusions can all be detected with radiography and ultrasonic testing. No steel stock should be leaving the factory with any of the previously mentioned flaws unless it is sold to the buyer as such. (ie factory rejects/seconds)
@@ShoahBiz I've explained why I believe there is a problem with the production magnacut unless it is being sold as a flawed product. Feel free to explain why _you think_ that it *is* acceptable for a company to sell bar stock that contains flaws? Forget knife makers for the time being, an engineering company may have hundreds of man hours into machining a product which they are manufacturing to a deadline, and they will all be wasted if unexpectedly a flaw suddenly appears in the metal. No engineering company would find this acceptable unless they have been made aware of this ahead of time and are prepared to accept the risk.
@@ericasedc yeah, got some 4v on the way too. Apparently the same thing just slightly less corrosion resistant than cruwear. I’m trying my hardest to build the funds to get 80 hunters edc waterjet cut in cruwear too. How what it’s worth, I’m just drawn to the name cruwear 🤣
@@Primitivebearknives 4V has slightly better edge retention from my testing. But yes- less corrosion resistant! The water jet Hunter’s would be sweet!!!! You gotta make that happen! We just did 100 K390 blanks .. $2,000 later. 🤣😭
@@ericasedc that’s about what I’m looking at for 80 blanks in cruwear, well $2040 I’m not sure what taxes and shipping is going to cost. SC is dumb and requires other states to charge us taxes. Oh well
In America we love to build things up and then tear it down. I have Magnacut in CRK only and I think it great. But I love my CRK’s in s35 just as much. I just hate what the Chinese companies are doing to the knife market. It’s getting ridiculous with so many models all centered around action. There’s way more to a knife than flicking it open all day and all night.
I’m glad they got the test results and they show what we already knew. It’s a shame though. Survive will continue making awesome knives. Good stuff Erica!👊
Does magnacut take as aggressive an edge as easily as a good tool steel (k390, M4, Cruwear, Rex45, etc) I have no experience with MC, but I’ve found that stainless steels just never get the aggressive type of edge tool steels do (although S90v is pretty good). I pretty much only collect tool steel blades for this reason, but because I love super close to the ocean they inevitably rust no matter how well oiled I keep them. Cosmetics were never a primary concern for me, but if there is a stainless that yeilds that kind mean edge I’d be very interested
Honestly- I have had my Magnacut knives take a RIDICULOUSLY toothy, keen, aggressive edge. Seems like going the custom route really makes that a thing. Production Magnacut at 60-62 HRC won’t be the same. I have some customs in it though, 62HRC and up- and they take a wild edge!
It’s not “politics” that gave Survive a bad name; and it’s taking hundreds (thousands?) of pre-orders, and taking 100% up-front payment for years… and then never communicate with those customers about their orders again. They have to continue to push problems with Magnacut, that, magically, only they seem to have. How convenient.
It's not just him. Other makers told him they were having issues but they didn't want to get taken to court so they hid like wimps. He showed me messages from them and even showed me when Niagara Specialty metals admitted that they had produced sub-par steel. Also, the "orders taking forever" is over with. They're catching up quickly. The knife I ordered was in my hand within two weeks of ordering it and the ones I gifted showed up even faster (Guy only knows me as Dual Sport EDC. He has no idea that I ordered several blades from him)
I totally understand. I tried taking a very neutral stance on the matter to focus on the steel itself. If it came across as defending any party in particular- that was not my intention. I wasn’t happy with ANY of it.
@@dualsportedcyou actually trust the lies coming from that con man’s mouth? Literally no other company has come forward. Chris reeves has made thousands of magnacut knives. Pestered has heat treated over 600,000 pounds of magnacut
Lol @ "We're like the old days now...the barking...the poop eating..." I am DEAD!! Are you trying to bring back the Dreadlock Slatah Era, E!!! Omg so THAT'S why you call Zaedi "Nugget"?!? WTF?! So hilarious! Maybe that's why her ears are so floppy.! She has a sheepish look on her face cause she's embarrassed and ashamed about her peculiar, naughty nugget-eating habit!! They're like Doritos for her!! Tasty!! Loved this Magnacut update!! That's wicked cool how you put a bevel on the BR! Erica just ain't feeling that convex today, guys, OKAY?!?! 😝. I really hope part of your remaining testing includes taking a belt sander to that shiny ass polished MKC Blackfoot blade!! That lil hoe cake is blinding me right now!! Biatch needs to chill with that shine!! Super excited for the Otter!! Adorable freckles for the win!! 12.7k = cheeseburger moonlight celebration ENGAGE!! Thanks for a another awesome video, Erica!!!! 🥰🥰🥰
if the void was due to the production of the steel it would show rust on the steel within few days before even cutting a size to proceed making a knife , voids if happens is from clusters and what is void anyways what sort of void is being talked about showing steel voids after heat treating is it a hole or what ? is it void of carbon because he did not leave enough thickness to grind the surface carbon that reacted with oxigen ? what void ? if he is finding voids then no knife from that steel should be sent to a customer , i am expecting a magnacut custom knife from Levi Herrick and he advised me on the steel for outdoor environment and toughness since i will be using it camping and off trail and food
magnacut is not the problem. the problem is Survive! I've been spending my money on Survive for almost two years! The 5.1? Terrible communication! And if I get any answers, they're just excuses and it'll arrive in a few weeks! I have countless knives from all over the world! The worst experience is Survive!
