Major Car XP Changes Coming to Forza Motorsport! 

Taken them MONTHS and literally murdering their own game to realize and fix something 90% of people knew would be a MAJOR ISSUE the very moment it was announced. Bravo T10. While I agree with this change heavily; I can't even come close to giving them any props for doing it because honestly it's just them finally deciding to clean up that giant shit they took on the carpet and let sit there the whole time the games been out to this point :/

This to me is a fantastic balance of the 2 systems and will actually drag me back to playing the game. You can pay credits to get a car up to say C class for an online lobby, but then while you're racing, you're still levelling up the car and earning more car points to use later down the line should you then decide to tweak that car for a B class lobby, which then makes all those upgrades essentially free. You also still have the freedom with the car points being credited back as you take upgrades off so you have the freedom to experiment without any financial punishment. I'd need to go back to FM7 to see the cost difference, but I think they have the Car Point price balance right. Slick tyres I'm sure where somewhere in the 10,000 to 15,000 credit range before?

I will start playing the game again when the update comes. I still can’t believe they released the game knowing we would have to grind EVERY car

Would be nice if they had double car xp weekends and stuff like that. They were excited about the car xp system but they didn't really have any fun in the game with it. Needs some life in that aspect for car xp as well

I did not mind the idea of it tbh. But the way they did it was terrible. The road to level 50 was way to long considering how many cars they want you to do, parts don't cost credits and I can't pick what to unlock. It was more of a grind than fun tbh after the 5th car. Even after the level 25 cap on parts. But the fact that the parts I wanted were 100 laps away was the biggest killer when you're doing 5 races in that car before you buy a new one for a different event. But this change and the Nurburgring might finally get me back again.

Not enough they need to remove fomo from career mode as well, maybe then its starting to at least become decent, but issues with car models and sounds cant go unanswered

It would be nice once a car gets to level 50 you could earn general car points that could be used on any car.

This is a major W for the players, this change was needed before day 1. The game still has a ton of problems but this is a huge move in the right direction! Especially for tuners/painters who just want to upgrade

Definitely a very good change but one that people were yelling since Day 1. Hopefully they've now massively revaluated their approach to the game as a whole and we see some more big changes coming in.

I honestly have been thinking about trying Motorsports again for weeks now. The thing that I dislike the most is a mix between the car leveling system as well as the "locked in" aspect of races. Whenever you choose a car, you cannot switch, which I understand is an intended feature. The problem is that I want to be able to go from using one car for let's say 3/6 races and then switch, or even switch for each race dependent on the track! Like similar to how FH5 series races work when playing solo.

This won't fix the main issue I have with the car progression system: race tire compound is still too expensive

Haven't gotten a single car to level 50 outside GTs and TCs lol

I would have been happy with car xp if car points weren’t a thing. Two “currency” systems involved with purchasing upgrades is one too many. I might actually buy the game instead of having game pass because of these changes, this is super huge and great news

The thing i find funny is that this whole game is focused on building your car and its the one game in the series that you cant build cars the way you want to

I'll wait until the car models are accurate like gt7 and graphics wise too.

I did like the leveling system but it's true that it could've been done in a way that you chose which component you want to unlock rather than unlocking things at certain level. You unlock quicker if you drive cleanly so that incentivises clean racing, which is great for MP where lot of folks would ram. But hopefully new penalty systems and dsq will prevent that and teach people regardless. pretty happy with the update, works for all

I am happy they aren’t removing the car leveling system altogether. That gamification of the cars really did give me motivation to actually stick with a car instead of bouncing around from car to car. For me personally it made each car feel like it was worth something, I wish that each car had a higher level cap so that I could actually get an idea of how much I use certain cars. All in all it was a fun idea, it was just botched through the unlocking of parts in a linear fashion. So this update is great, keeping the best of both worlds.

Certainly it is desirable to have the option to upgrade straight from the first race. It's really exhausting to wait for hours to improve the vehicle you want. However, there is something challenging about it that you have to progress while playing and not everything is too easy

I’ll definitely come back to the game for this, but… why couldn’t they just launch it today?

I like this fix. Sounds like cost to filly upgrade is about in line with other Motorsport and Horizon games. And by still keeping the original system, it doesn't negate all the time players put in to leveling up cars already, because if they fully reverted to the normal credits-for-upgrade system, then all that time players put in would have been completely wasted.

I like the Car XP idea, cause if you enter a racing season, you aren't gonna be switching out cars every couple races. I also feel that the car affinity system from Forza 4 should be brought back to give more money or car XP for the same manufacturer

Hope we will gain more money from the races, otherwise we'll still have to spend a lot of time playing the game to grind the money needed.

This is a really positive change IMO, and hopefully a sign of things to come, If only they`d rip out the uninspired and generic Builder`s cup system in favor of actual career progression (with different event types, invitational and showcase events, etc) to actually make the game fun to invest time in singleplayer, that would be great...

Looks like a major step in the right direction for progression. I would love to start playing again if only I could launch the game. Despite its flaws I've enjoyed Motorsport, but ever since the December update I've been completely unable to open the game on gamepass PC lmao. Multiple reinstallations to no avail. It's insane, man.

Definitely a change in the right direction, and, ok it's always easy to say after the fact, but it was so obvious. Why it was not like that from the start or at least after the beta with the influencers, which had already backlashed on that, or even after the first weeks from the community general feedback, pretty sure it was proposed in their trello board exactly like that. But let's give them the benefice of the doubt, it was their baby, they really believe on their XP bounding effect and wanted to really see its outcome on the long run... I still have issue accepting that mid March is not "too little too late"... come one guys, it's just adding a way to buy XP from our already implemented in game credit... But maybe i dont see the complexity of that new economy mechanism and how much they need to test it to make sure there won't be any possible exploits... One step at a time... I hope next ones would be... - Improving the non-featured/private multiplayer experience (possiility to add IA, openning the lobby). - Improving sanctions on the shameless ramers (shadow ban, safety rating way harder to level up than down) - Improving the IA at least in their first turns or first lap (brake checking while no one in front of them in straights, almost impossible to draft or bump draft) - Diversity of seasonal events, because only open Class C, B, A, S which doesn't really scope to anything, it's a bit stale. The featured ones is nicer but not sure it's enough. - The influx of new tracks... Sorry but it's obvious that at some points, they will add, Le Mans GP... Which I hope for but when is it going to be real new ones... Like Brands Hatch, Monza, maybe Mount Panorama, Road Atlanta, Interlagos, Magny-Cours, ...

Massive W for Forza Developers because finally fix it

Thank god!

As someone who had no issues with the car leveling system, this seems like a nice balance between those who disliked it and those who liked it. Hopefully, this will bring some more players back. Proud to be one of those in the 3.3% who have leveled up fifty or more cars (yes, I also have a full time job haha) but I will probably use a mix of game credits and the grinding to level up once the update hits.

This is I’ll definitely pull me back into this game

This gets me closer to actually purchasing the game. With this and if I stop hearing about the game crashing all the time I'll probably buy it.

So now you can either buy upgrades (total cost 125k) or you can work at it for 3 hours (I assume it is quite a few) to do it for "free". A good step but my favourite game, FM4, is much more generous and gives you free upgrades for an entire manufacturer after not a whole lot of levels/time with one of their cars. This allowed for so much wild customisation without (money) risk e.g. Covette C6 engine in a Chevy / Daewaoeaewoaeaoiaoeaoo Matiz

im ok with the change because you still get cp from leveling. seems to satisfy people on both sides of the argument

thank goodness. This was a quitting point for me because I simply dont have the time to grind the cars and having to check my controller every 15 minutes for AFK grinding wasnt viable since AFK grinding means I cant play another game while I wait

They need to fix the multiplayer skill and safety system before I come back to MP but ill continue playing SP here and there. Glad to see them at least trying something.

Although I am not one of the people who greatly dislike car leveling, the removal of the level gated locks are huge! Now I can get a race transmission at level 3 or 4, instead of level 7. But, seeing that it can be bought outright, I'll probably buy the transmission and grind the rest.

Theyre "willing" i think you misspoke, forced is what you meant

1 more thing they need to add is car xp. I use this to lower the cost say in Lamborghini. You have to upgrade 5 cars to get 25%. Mind you it takes 3 hours for 1 car it would take me 15 hours to get 5 cars max level. They need 2x the car points

I leveled up the MR2 to 50. bought another one and oh wow the level system is car specific. I've got four or five other cars at 33. and I was done. ridiculous system. hate it. I'm not real sure this will bring me back.

I'll probably boot up the game and give it a try when we get the Nordschleife however..... I was really unhappy with the AI when I was playing it post release. I'm sure they have some weird rubber banding going on, opponents not getting even remotely consistent times lap to lap, and also it feeling like they TRY to spread the first several places further away from the pack, not because they're actually faster, but because they're doing artificially MAKING them get to that place.... made the races feel really samey, unrealistic, and just frustrating. to me at least. I'm really not one for playing online and I really just want my opponents to be behaving like actual cars in a race would. if the ai is still being messed around with, I'll probably do one or two races and uninstall it again.

I'm one of the few people crazy enough to have more than 10 cars on level 50, and to be honest, any change that would boost the player numbers would be a good change.

Glad we can finally upgrade to each cars need. I might download the game again and see how it feels. Hopefully I don't get scammed with that classic Infinite spinning loading wheel that loses all my progression made

Good news. Should’ve never been a thing to begin with though. And now we have to wait a month for it. Just drop it now and maybe save this 35% complete game…

Makes you wonder, how did they test the game? This would have been pointed out there and then. Now, it is quite unclear why they even left the car points in the game. Just make car parts ~5x more expensive than the car point equivelant, convert 'car leveling' into credit gains, then you have one currency and people can forget this travesty ever happened.

It took me about 10 minutes with the game to see the HUGE flaw in the CXP system. BoP for any group racing was locked behind 3 hours of pointless grind for every single car in a series and testing would require every individual to also partake in the grind. Meaning a series with just 5 builds requires 15 hours of unnecessary driving before you can start testing BoP for every person involved. Knowing T10 partnered with TORA in the past, I could not comprehend how the studio managed to not recognize the cooling effect the system would have on a not insignificant portion of the most dedicated players. It’s arguably the most myopic decision I’ve ever seen from this developer. Then they tried to downplay the inevitable negative reaction, further poking the hornet nest.

I’d rather learn the car through racing and then upgrading the car to see what differs honestly these changes don’t effect me but it’s good to see how they are at least offering a way to upgrade the car in a different style

Now might consider buying it for 30 bucks or less on sale on PC, but it probably wont pull me away from Assetto Corsa or AMS 2. Not having VR is a massive drawback for me.

This is great. Now her Sonoma in. That’s my local track.

Great step forward! Hopefully the CXP of a car isn't tied to the specific car. Eg I level up a Nissan Silvia S15 and buy another one and have to level that one up too (by driving it again or spending credits again)

I haven't stopped playing the game, but I was one of those evil AFKers (I don't need to now because I have all the cars I want maxed). I love building, testing, and decorating cars, so since I paid $100 for this game, I decided I'd play it any way I like. This change will make it much easier and more "legal" though.

I'll give it another shot. My favorite part of forza was building and tuning and not having freedom to do so was a game killer for me. Wasn't worth playing. The pretty common game crashes also didn't help. Seems like every game I play any more is released and then isn't worth playing until it gets a years worth of "updates"

Unlocking all parts is a win but buying car points feels dumb to me defates the purpose of car leveling. At least the option is there i wont be using it.

Great change. Won't be trying it since I'm probably missing a bunch of limited time vehicles at this point. I'm sure they'll come at launch in the next motorsport game in 6 years.

I jumped in post update, and I uninstalled and went back to horizon. I love motorsport and the track aspect, but the car bond isn't there. It feels like a huge grind, however I am currently reinstalling now that I know I can spend my credits on cp. Might be enough to save it. The best part of forza is feeling like an artist with a blank canvas in every car.

At last. A sensible approach to the game. Driving and playing shouldn’t be a grind, it should be fun and purposeful rather than boring- agreed great that turn ten are listening but I still don’t understand why they chose to release the game with such a lack of knowing what there audience expected.

ive got this since i got game pass ive been playing this now enjoyed what ive played do far

I think it’s a good change, I could have lived without the conversion from credits to points TBH. It’s great one can install the best upgrades immediately, and later get more points by using the car and getting more acquainted with it.

Some will still complain about the car points costing credits. Me I’ll just be glad to finally have something to do with the millions of credits I have but never use lol. In my opinion tho upgrading should just cost credits forget the car points all together it’s a stupid system that’s the whole point of the PI anyways. A betting system would be cool too, just before a race you can put down some credits on your favorite to win or something. Also they really need to enable damage at a reduced rate at least for all online multiplayer maybe then people would stop being stupid going full speed into corners and expecting other cars to stop their momentum 🤦🏻‍♂️. Some improvements to the career would be nice too like maybe give use different options for race length cause most of the series are like 3-5 laps on the short tracks. There should be an option for short or full track and longer races maybe then people would actually play it, personally I haven’t touched single player since the game released cause it’s weirdly short.

Happy to hear about this update. Now they just need to add some damn music to the races.

Good change. Im enjoying the online racing in this game. Can be really close and intense. All the easy things that they've messed up makes it so frustrating. Cost them so many players, between the bugs and the drip feeding content, I really hope it's lesson learned for the future at ms as a whole. Oh and the AI needs so much work 🤣 not played much of the single player, tried the featured event, even on hardest difficulty these guys are brake checking, being slow for no reason, random levels of aggression and pace. Strange stuff. Lol.

Nice! This is probably going to make me feel finally purchase the game. I've been a long time Forza Horizon fan and this was what was holding back to try the regular Forza franchise. Thanks for the update!

Remember Cyberpunk's release compared to today? i think the same will happen to Forza

Certainly a good change, this system was D.O.A. and nearly everyone knew it.

We don't just have games that are broken at release but also games that are designed wrong at release

About to level out all the cars then because I have over 8 million credits from grinding cars to 50.

Massive W alongside Nordschliefe coming soon + performance optimization especially CPU usage is being improved. The game is great, the driving is superb, but man grinding the levels was boring as fuck lol am glad I can just use my credits and be set for a specific "Builders' Cup". Gonna buy the game now since it costs 43,63€ where I live lol

When is the graphic update coming??

Yeah I quit after a couple of weeks with the weak single player, no splitscreen and the car levels This could change soon:D

I think they should focus on stability. I have RTX 3070 and the game has multiple crashes frame rate drops on each race i play. When these kind of problems are resolved i will return.

The Golf in front of you has it brake lights always on. The game is still not "finished". The manual shifter behavior is still awful and makes every manual car zero fun with a manual shifter. What's the point of having a real clutch and shifter, if the games simulates it by itself whatever you are doing ?

i'll probably only buy cp for cars i intend to take online. The system works great for singleplayer, and now that you can just upgrade any part, I can't wait to jump back into the game when update 6 releases

I only played one month through a free month of Game Pass. The car grinding XP system made me not buy the game so far. The driving and everything was good but I just want to quickly build a car, do a few races and then build something else. The fact I had to constantly drive the same car for upgrades was a big let down for me, enough to not buy the game. This change means I'm now interested in buying the game again.

Great news indeed.My 10Mil will be put to good use as I go straight for the upgrades the car needs.

I feel like car xp would be amazing for horizon. Gaining xp from skill points

it is what made me lose interest. I grinded one car to lvl 50 and in the end I didn't even end up liking the feel of the car after unlocking the upgrades and the GRIND to get the lvl's was BORING AS HELL and all for a car that I wasn't ever going to drive again and that was made not want to play, and I went back to Playing Forza 7 and Assetto Corsa

I’d still rather they just give credit values to all car upgrades and do away with xp completely.

I was wondering if i should buy it now but i think I'll will but not until after the march update

Just as one of the greatest singers of my generation said. "You know it's just too little too late." I'll give them a few more months.

Still doesn't excuse Turn 10 coming up with such a broken system to begin with, but at least they can see how much people hated it, and stopped playing the game because of the grind. I am looking forward to the new system (that should have been the base system from the get go) as i really enjoy the driving in this game, after the major disappointment that was FM7.

I'm so so, glad to hear this, and it's a massive W for the developers and will definitely bring me back into to the game more often than i have been, as you also say it'll make career mode so much smoother and easier and I'll definitely be playing that again from where I left off, Thankyou for bringing freedom back to forza developers 👍👌

I am a bit happy now with progress so far. I like the change with the Car XP Progression. But it still feels like a grind to get Credits in the game.

When are we gonna get stats and leaderboards? It’s terribly comical to not have two basic features in the game.

think i might actually jump in. moment i heard about the car progression crap, i decided i wasn't going to support this title. which sucked, considering i've played almost every other forza game. but this was just too much for me. now that it's getting dialed back, i think i can finally be okay with grabbing the game

When is The update dropping?

All T10 had to do was make a remastered game model of GT4 with new cars, better AI and visuals. I have issues with all these XP levels that don't add to game enjoyment. The more complicated these games get the less fun they are. It's too bad the project cars franchise couldn't capitalize on Polyphony and T10's missteps.

just give us a track list that we can be proud of. am I really going to have to wait till the IMSA season finally in October to race at road Atlanta?!

Finally

i guess its better than nothing but tbh it seems like desperately trying to keep in some form of that car point system which i honestly do not understand. there is no need for these mastery points AT ALL. if you want to make upgrades feel more meaningful then adjust the economy and credits payouts if you must but this dual system now is also weird. its really ok to accept that this system was a complete mistake.

This is great news, but I'm still going to wait until there's more single player content in the game before I buy it. Also, the cynic in me is very worried that they've changed the XP system so they can add microtransactions to let us buy in-game credits for real money...

Look I don't mind the system nor grind, does it need to be tweak yeah. Is it perfect hell no. I was more concern about games crashes and when you play your progress wouldn't save. I would be more mad if I grinded for hours and nothing was save. But whatever it seem like everyone got what the wanted, and now people may come back to a game that still broken.

Might actually come back to this game now. The previous system just put off everyone I played with as well.

I liked the progression system

I'm racing in an online touring car race and I see some cars in the race have rating of 714 while my car seems to be locked at 694. Can my car be upgraded? I can adjust the current setup but the class rating of 694 stays the same. Any help would be appreciated.

I like this change and wish it was this way since the game was launched.

They need to double the cxp per credits

All I need them to do is to actually fix the force feedback for wheels

Here you are saying, LOOK! They are fixing the points upgrade system!. But the core problem being, their is really no reason to buy domestic market cars because it is pointless for not having different classes apart from Touring car and open. So the only real real for buying most or all the cars is for an achievement. They have to add restriction classes instead of just having performance rated classes.

Here I can find these overlays that you have? I want to install it

I like the new system a lot. I'm glad they retained requiring credits to buy parts - so you still have to earn them.

IMO they should have just gotten rid of it and made the game progression like all the past games, I uninstalled it the same day I played it because of it and the shit sounds, it was supposed to have a better version of what's in fh5 in regards to mods changing the sounds of your car but in my experience it just made my cars louder but sounds the same.

When they Need more players i was upset 😭 about it