I like the way Marcelo kept smiling at the fact that Jimmy just gave him his back to start the roll. Two legends of their respected sports having a friendly roll. Awesome!
@Steelmonger888 Pedro knows Marcelo is known for his back attack wizardry, he probably just wanted to make sure he got to experience it and test his defensive skills against one of the best inthe world at it. It's training, not a competition.
@@Darwinist EXACTLY!!! Half of the people in this comment section are basically saying putting yourself in disadvantageous positions when rolling so that you can genuinely learn and become better is pussy shit than is equivalent to 'losing' a friendly roll... Newsflash, nobody wins or loses a friendly roll
THE IMPORTANT THING IS TO ENJOY WHAT YOU ARE DOING, LEARN SOMETHING AND LEAVE YOUR EGO AT THE DOOR. WHO GIVES A CRAP WHO GOT SUBMITTED AS LONG AS THEY BOTH BENEFIT FROM THE PRACTICE. TWO OF THE GREATEST. THANK YOU FOR SHARING.
@@juanaponte1339cope harder. Jimmy Pedro is an Olympic medalist. BJJ is just newaza with Portuguese words slapped on. 100% marketing scheme for the Gracie crime family.
Who is better? They both knew. That wasn’t the point. Just two men having a blast. Any true bjj or judo player knows that. Simple fact is, rolling is fun when ego isn’t involved. We roll, we tap out, fix ourselves, tap in, repeat. Smiles and laughs and respect the whole time.
People forget that Marcelo use to train & compete in Judo before he did BJJ, infact he had success in alot of Judo competitions. In Judo he used to train under Sensei Fabiano De Souza (who Marcelo idolized and wanted to emulate) De Souza also trained BJJ under Rickson Gracie Black Belt Iran Brasileiro, De Souza started bringing Marcelo to his BJJ sessions with Iran...after attending sessions with Iran, the rest became history...
So what? Marcelo’s skills in this have nothing to do with Judo. It’s all on the ground. As a brown belt I’ve rolled with people from the US Olympic Judo team and killed them. Judo is a nice start but contributes nothing to newaza at higher levels of BJJ.
@Steelmonger888 I didn't say he did, when I said "he had success in alot of judo competitions", I meant local judo tournaments obviously - my point is MG having trained in Judo, he's somewhat familiar with the Newaza of Judo. There's a bunch of videos on youtube of him dominating legit judo blackbelts and judo olympic medalists (Jimmy Pedor being one of them) - if this video is not any indication of his familiarity of Judo Newaza, study his "Crucifix game" most of his set ups into weaving the foot/leg in to trap the arms of his opponent who turtles up is basically a staple in the Judo 'turn-overs into osaekomi' curriculum.
Yea but even if Marcelo is only going 70% full on Jimmy remember this, Judo Ne Waza is incredibly underrated and under-appreciated. I used to train at Jason Morris Judo Center (another olympian) an BJJ guys would not believe the Ne Waza Abilities of most of the guys there. No kidding. When it's olympic level, and the BJJ guys aren't world class, they better watch out.
+edmund kim They did but it's not shown here for good reason. It's funny that Jimmy has been retired for 10-years and shows up to check up on the mats he sold Marcelo and then being a good sport he throws a gi on. Next thing you know all the nutthuggers are all omg Marcelo is a god!!
Even after Rhonda Rousey submitted all of her opponents for years using only her Judo Ne Waza. I distinctly remember the one time Ronda Rousey went on The Joe Rogan Experience and Eddie Bravo was on the episode with her as well, at one point he asked her who her Brazilian jiu jitsu instructor or her groundwork instructor was, and she said I don't have either, I just use my Judo on the ground and Eddie Bravo literally couldn't wrap his head around what she was saying lol
@@spencerantoniomarlen-starr3069 Yes because Eddie thinks ground Judo is very limited. Till it's olympic level ground work. I trained at Jason Morris Judo center, the same place Rhonda was at when she was taken to bronze medal. That Ne Waza is not a joke. Jiu Jitsu guys would go there and not know what to do with it.
@@ClayMationNation I know and agree, I relayed the anecdote in order to illustrate how even a high level BJJ black belt who subbed a Gracie as a purple belt and owns his own school can still somehow be that ignorant about Judo.
@@ClayMationNation I couldn't agree more!! As they say in boxing, everyone is a champion on the pads/mitts. Just because you can hit mitts for your open media workouts and look badass while doing so does not mean you should try standing and boxing with a former multiple time professional boxing champion... I literally cannot comprehend to this day how either she, her coaches, or both didn't see what a disaster that would be.
I don't think he bans them? I think every BJJ academy needs to get a reality check, break falls and throws are often shitty, grip fighting below standards and believing they are training a martial art by constantly rolling is a bad idea. It is good fun, great when not too removed from reality, but considering most famous BJJ black belts are also judo black belts, I think they were more than aware they shouldn't become too complacent with their all round game. A judo black belt came into a club I went to and fucked everyone up, so it just depends. Craig Fallon now would go into a lot of BJJ comps at black belt level and do quite well. Just because one thing is good doesn't mean other things aren't also good. If you rolled with Jimmy Pedro do you think you would school him? You saw one tap in four minutes, after he got put in a position he may not have experienced before, and nearly got out of. That shows a good problem solving mind. He also looked to do a bit better against Marcelo that Faria.
@@robinenman6812 Neil adams was competing in the 1980s. The martial arts world was dominated by striking and everyone seemed obsessed with bruce lee. If someone mentioned bjj to me in the 1980s I literally would not have the faintest idea what on Earth they were talking about.
I'd like to see them start on their feet. I think the outcome could be different because Jimmy would likely be able to take down Marcelo to get a strong dominant postion.
No he wouldn't. You think it's the first time Marcelo sparred with a too judo hi. During his competing days he went up against too BJJ guys like Jacare that also has black belts in Judo too. This is the thing with judo guys. You dream too much,but saying that Jimmy and Marcelo were having fun.
This story got to me from Pedro himself: They did had tachi waza afterwards. And of course, they'll never show the video of it. Pedro was coming from a quadriceps injury and he was rusty af when this happened, yet you see how savvy his movements are. During the tachiwaza it was just a massacre against Garcia.
Jimmy Pedro could submit a lot of bjj black belts but Marcelo Garcia is a not normal bjj black belt. If they were standing then Jimmy could rag doll Marcelo and im sure Marcelo could take down a normal Judo black belt. These two guys are having a fun roll nothing more
I have a quastion for BJJ and JUDO competitors (sorry for my english I'm polish). Is there really a big difference (despite from strategy/tactics) between Judo's ne-waza/ground work and BJJ? I mean, I have never seen any BJJ techniques which I haven't seen in Judo instructional movies made by for example Katsuhiko Kashiwazaki or Christian Peden. As far as I did my investigation it was like this: 1) ju-jitsu was invented/created in Old Japan for a battlefield. In all battles, there were many soldiers on both sides, so that art includet standing fight and only ending ground techniques (almost no position changing, transitions on the ground). 2) Jigoro Kano developed JUDO called also Kano's Ju-Jitsu, where he developed ground work called ne-waza and standing position fighting tachi-waza. This time new arrt included all spectrum of ground fighting, all transitions, avoiding logs, chokes and so on (what we now see in BJJ). 3) Many JUDOgas were competing different styles guys, so boxers, wrestlers ju-jitsu fighters to prove that Judo was superior. One of them was Maeda who was a teacher of JUDO to Carlson Gracie/Gracies. 4) And now the question arises: is that true that Gracies throw out most of standing techniques, saved ne-waza and called it Gracies Jiu-Jitsu (to defferentiate "their style" from Kano's Ju-Jitsu = JUDO) and sold it to the westeners as their invention? Old Judo (he's 55 years old) teacher I've talked to was angry when I asked him about BJJ, hes answer was like this: "Don't talk about BJJ in front of me, it's not Brazilian it's judo, they have changed techniques' names, belt colors and say it's brazilian". He is great technician, great in ground fighting (5th DAN). He also realies that unfortunatelly during JUDO competitions there is only very limited time for ground work and hopes that it will change because Japanes see that there is "new" martial art which is stealing their heritage. So please tell me is BJJ something new? Strategy and competition rules is not enough to call it different from JUDO's ground work. I know that many clubs organize no time limmits JUDO matches where ground work is included after throw. PS. To all people who are patient enough to read my note to the end - I'm not claiming that if You train BJJ You are worst. No! As we all know many BJJers won against JUDOgas, but if what I wrote above is true - BJJer=JUDO ground fighters winning against less experienced colegues. In JUDO club it usually takes much more time to become good on the ground. I'm going to place my question under few movies on YT. Thanks for all answers.
+Paweł Paweł There are huge differences, mostly because of the difference in rule sets. Some positions that are very important in sport BJJ like playing open guard against a standing opponent don't really occur in Judo due to the rules about restarts. In addition, BJJ has a much more diverse submission game from the top because you cannot finish by pin. In Judo there is no incentive to try and submit someone when you're in mount, you just hold the pin and win. And in general while many positions will occur in Judo and BJJ they are generally not practiced in Judo because they're not that important, so BJJ guys will be much better at them. In the same way, Judo guys will 99.99% of the time have much better standing grappling skills than BJJ competitors, because even though BJJ guys learn throws they usually don't practice them that often and aren't that good at them. Judo groundwork emphasizes pins and fast attacks, BJJ emphasizes positional dominance ending in submission from a superior position. They are very different in practice even if there is a lot of crossover in terms of techniques. I say that as a Judo black belt and BJJ brown belt who has competed a lot in both.
+Paweł Paweł BJJ is an offshoot of Kodokan judo. There are no _fundamental_ differences between what you learn at a BJJ club and the newaza you learn at a judo club, but there are stylistic differences, which I would describe as 'superficial'. As for the experience of training at a judo club vs. a BJJ club, one difference is that when you roll at your BJJ club you will always look for the submission, whereas when doing newaza randori at a judo club it's common to restart once one of you has pinned the other. Also, when doing newaza randori at a judo club it's common for one person to start in turtle position.
+Paweł Paweł - They are very similar as far as origin goes. But......Today's sport Judo will get you killed in a street fight where as today's BJJ, even sport BJJ, will give you a much better shot at survival. Most judo people that I know of treat it like karate and just want to have a colored belt on and look cool. The school I used to train judo at was terrible because no one wanted to train because practicing throws and learning how to take a fall hurts, and most new judo people are allowed to train a very soft version that serves no purpose on the street or in competition. Also, a lot of Sensei's in Judo, like the weird sorta attention from the students that see them as master of life rather than just a teacher of judo.
+Mr4433 that has not been my experience at all at any judo school I've trained at. Judo is usually treated as a sport and as such judoka train very hard and become highly proficient in their core game. I've found the kind of LARPong you're describing to be common at TKD and kung fu schools but I've never seen it in Judo. It's a great art for self defense.
trampley I agree, The school that was close to me that I tried out was terrible. I love Judo when trained with people that also love Judo for what it is. There is nothing worse than someone in uniform that doesn't know shit about technique but then tells people they do Judo. Fortunately, I train BJJ now with some very high level wrestlers that love take-downs and I love doing my go to Judo techniques, mostly drop seoi-nage and ko uchi gari, and osoto gari. Cant go wrong with those 3 in combination plus wrestling.
Injuries dude, but it also has to do with chicken or the egg. At my bjj academy ( I have a judo background so I love tachi-waza) were rarely stand because people have no clue about throws or how to properly ukemi. It sucks but Im here for ground fighting
donnycage lol. I think it’s possible if jimmy got a nice throw and landed in a solid pin, bypassing marcelos guard, he might be able to tire him out and get something. Maybe?
@@donnycage no offense, but I suspect that you may lack the understanding or appreciation for just how quickly Olympic level judokas land their submissions during transitions from standing to the floor via throws or trips
Jimmy is too. Just a different type of grappling. He was a multiple bronze medalist olympian! A lot of guys and gals I trained with at Jason Morris Judo Center now train at his place.
i highly dought mr garcia goes easy on anyone, its against his code. And mr pedro is a wolrd class olympic level compedator. there are submissions in judo.
@@canonisensys1653 He can rag doll pedro? lol, Do you know what kind of friggin beast Jimmy is? He won multiple bronze medals in the olympics! Get em on their feet and see who gets ragged.
@@canonisensys1653 Of course I know who Marcel is, do YOU know who Pedro is? The guy's not just some random Judoka with a black belt, he's Olympic level and they don't play. Why do you think Royce and Hidehiko Yoshida fought to a draw?
+profd65 It's funny but without the proper context and the whole video people tend to just make up stuff. Jimmy has been retired for over 10-years and was there as the Zebra mat rep without a gi. Jimmy was a good sport and got on the mat to train with him. They didn't show the stand up part of the workout but those who know what happens when wrestlers put a gi on against Judo players. The video also doesn't show all of the rolling but like I said it was just a workout..
+Stuart Ramos He´s wearing a judo gi, a mizuno and it´s not a new one. No need to make excuses for the guy, he´s a judo beast and a great grappler but Marcelo is on another level.
interpreter911 "Another level" You got to be kidding me. I also have a black belt in bjj and know how hard the sport is but to compare that to a double Olympic medalist not to mention world champion you really need to wake up. Millions of people practice Judo and 202 countries participate in the Olympics you can't compare how hard it is to medal in the Olympics. Yep I will agree Marcelo could be the best submission grappler but to say he's on another level is silly.