The problem for the player who cut the neck of the man who died is that it is illegal to lift your skate as high as he did and it is reported that he has gotten in trouble many times for illegal moves like that.
@@heatheryllanes6925 The point is he has a pattern of behavior violating rules in place for the safety of the players. His actions meet the manslaughter standard.
@@heatheryllanes6925 It's still a pattern of reckless and violent behavior. I don't think anybody is arguing that he murdered the man. But it's simply inarguable that what he did that day was highly unusual in the sense that it was a movement that can only happen as a result of recklessness or malice, and is a movement that does not occur when you play hockey as the rules are written. The fact that the other guy died as a result of these reckless and unusual movements - movements that are *NOT* normal or part of the presumptive risks inherent to the sport - ultimately leads to a single possible conclusion. It is manslaughter.
ANYONE who’s ever played hockey knows exactly what that guy did. I’ve never seen anything so blatant. Even getting your skate up that high takes so much effort
I'd like to disagree but sadly you're spot on! It took effort to do something that bizarre and blatant. I think he meant to hit him in the chest but who knows. So weird, odds of breaking your own leg are as good as hurting the other guy. Seems like this guy was a little unhinged by all accounts. Gonna have time to work on his wrister in that jail cell! D'oh!
Played hockey for over 15 years that shit was an accident. You can’t change my mind. Nobody goes on the Ice with the intent to injure somebody it’s a sport of speed. Anything can happen, but that was not on purpose. Shame on you for thinking such.
As a Canadian and surrounded by hockey, this doesn’t look like an accident. You put your feet on the ice at all times. Never would someone put their leg up that far. I think he knew he was going down, because he didn’t make a direct hit on the first guy as he came by and tried to take out the next guy. Never would you kick out and fall like that in hockey. It was definitely intent to injure. I feel so sorry that a life was taken in a sport that give so much joy to fans. A horrible tragedy. 😢
When I used to ice skate..I was always scared if I tried to raise my leg that I would hurt someone. I don't get why this wasn't his first thought especially after being a hockey player for so long.
@@iricx7999 yup! This guy wasn’t hit hard enough to have kicked up that high. It would have to have been full impact for him to fly like that. Plus he spread his legs with one skate on the ground. As soon as I saw the video I was like “this was intentional, and this guy is a bad (overly aggressive) hockey player”. From what I have learned now this guy has a history of dirty playing. Glad this guy is getting charged. This should be a lesson to future players, and played as training. The ice is still not immune to the consequences of real life. I think some hockey players see the money you can make and think they are Gods. Any sport is a risk and you have to be proactive to protect yourself and others.
Fellow Canadian agreeing with you. We have seen players get rocked by a hard hit that basically flips them over, and their foot ends up in the air...and they've injured another player, sometimes very badly. But in those cases, you could see that it wasn't deliberate, and the players who inflicted injury were genuinely concerned about the player they hurt. In this case, I don't know how it can't be seen as anything but deliberate. He jumps in order to land his kick on Johnson that high up...both of his feet leave the ice when he jumps!! It even looks like he uses his other foot to brace himself against Johnson's leg, then push off after the kick. I don't know what was going on in his head, but you don't kick anyone in the neck/head/face area with a sharp skate blade unless you're looking to intentionally inflict a serious injury. I hope they elevate the charge from manslaughter, this was definitely more than that.
Lol. They will drop them. If u watch it u can see he flies into air after getting his skate tangled with other guy. It like ramps him into the air. Doesn’t even load up and jump. He lifts leg and unfortunately dudes neck got hit. If this is reckless than every single hockey player to ever play is reckless. Especially defensemen and goons. But people saying he flying kicked him in the face is funny.
I like that you swear, Bruce. It makes it feel more like a lawyer is taking me behind the scenes rather than trying to keep their professional demeanor at the front. Feels more candid and personal.
Psychoanalyst / philosopher / comedian Slavoj Zizek has some really interesting things to say about the effects obscenity has on peoples ability to bond with each other. Long story short, he is in favor of it. Maybe you don't care but I think it's great. That is all lol.
In my opinion that kick looked completely intentional especially considering the player's record of penalties. He tried to take a player down, not kill anyone, but his reckless actions led to a man's death. He needs to be held accountable. Such a tragedy... RIP Adam Johnson.
@@america1st721 I don't see why it would be impossible. 1) He has a history of similar reckless behavior and taking bad penalties 2) the prosecution hired a panel of experts that have analyzed his movements and came to the conclusion they were purposeful which is why he was arrested in the first place 3) all they have to prove is that he was intentionally being reckless, not that he was intentionally trying to maim anyone. They don't need to prove malice, just intent (although imo if you prove intent, you already prove malice because pro hockey players know how dangerous skate blades are) and you already said yourself it looks intentional.
@@bridgetonowhere there is an inherent risk when playing hockey. And I asked the attorney why "involuntary manslaughter" wasn't on the table. The same law they use in drunk driving cases. That is a no brainer conviction while manslaughter has to prove intent. I played hockey at a jr level nothing even close to this and your body flies in all directions and that should be able to be proven very easily.
@@america1st721 Like I said, I believe that they can prove intent. In YOUR opinion, intent can't be proven here but many disagree for the reasons I have stated and by using common sense and their eyes. It doesn't matter if there's an inherent risk playing hockey if the guy intentionally lifted his leg. In fact, it further proves how reckless his behavior was because he knows the risks. Also I have played hockey before and have watched thousands of hours of hockey and have never seen anything like this before. His movements do not look like a natural loss of balance or fall, it looks like an intentional kick. Let's see if the defense can find any footage that is comparable.
I did the same thing when I first saw the video. I thought “what a horrible accident.” Then the more I saw it and slowed down and zoomed in… it’s so clear he intentionally kicked him and to not respect the fact that you literally have knives on your feet and then kick someone? Thats definitely reckless.
I was exactly the same as you. I thought to myself that's a terrible accident. But when you slow it down and you zoom in, you see that not only did his leg not need to go up that high regardless of any contact, you see him make an extra knee bend and kick off of Adam. And that's not something that naturally would have happened with that type of motion. And I'm betting that second kick is what killed him. But of course I don't know for sure.
I teach/coach skating everyday, also have a blackbelt so I know kicks too. So I will point out the misinformed view of what Petgrave "does" and does not do. It is near impossible, in full gear, at speed, while turning, while in contact, to lift a foot to 5 feet, let alone to "throw a kick" as so many are saying. Yes Petgrave's leg does come up. The question is how does it get there. If you frame by frame the video you see Johnson cut back, Petgrave turns towards him and attempts to go behind the other white player who is setting a lane pick. As Petgrave turns, his left lead stake contacts the picking player's right skate causing Petgrave's skate to pop up, simultaneously the inside of Petgrave's shoulder is contacted by the right shoulder of the picking player. With the loss of a tractioning edge on his left foot and the added energy from the picking player, Petgrave's center of gravity is shifted from his hip area to chest and shoulder area. In the next frame you can see that Petgrave's right skate also contacts the right skate of the picking player. In the next frame you can see that the other player's momentum has carried Petgrave's weight further over his center of gravity. That extra energy going left to right combined with Petgrave's perpendicular motion and the loss of both of his frictioning edges causes a centrifugal spin (top goes down, bottom come up). Which is evidenced by Petgrave's right skate also leaving the ice, with no "jumping" action(no loading followed by extension of the knees). Petgraves left leg is also not extended as if a kick was attempted. His head is facing the picking player not Johnson. Clearly, to anyone with any actual knowledge and expertise on the physics of skating and hockey collisions, this is just a wild freak accident during a sporting event that is widely known to be "unsafe". Also these players all know this and sign liability waivers. It is absolute dog feces that this got brought to a criminal level.
@@travisbarry2909Interesting. I've seen opinions from many other people who have knowledge in the field that categorically deny this was accidental. There's no need to be so condescending because experts don't seem to all share your opinion.
Never thought I'd see this happen again. I'm from Buffalo, and we all watched in horror as Clint Milarchuk, who played goalie, skated out of the net holding his neck as blood was spewing from a severed carotid. Thankfully they just changed nets so he was much closer to the area where 1 of the trainers happened to be a medic in the military. That incident was completely accidental, but hockey is truly a dangerous sport
The medic was Jim Pizzutelli a Vietnam medic who reached into his throat and pinched his artery. Then held it as he and others walked Clint into the clubhouse. He saved his life.
@garyz5456 He sure did. Had he not been there that night, I truly believe Milarchuk probably would not have survived. Wasn't that medic working for the opposing team? If you know, please share and God bless!
I grew up being told about that incident and shown it when more accessible. When I saw what happened the other week it just left me feeling awful. Hello fellow 716er!
My favorite part of these videos is how much he loves his son. Bruce once said how much he enjoys making videos because it means he gets to spend more time with his son. I just think that's so sweet.
It’s by far the most annoying part in my opinion. I watch these videos to hear him talk about the subject not repeat the same jargon about his super talented media genius son and his pearl cufflinks. Literally like every single time he starts! It was sweet the first few times but after a few months it’s getting to the point of being creepy.
Man, I played ROLLER hockey in 8th grade, and even then, we were taught to keep our sticks and skates down because you can seriously injure someone. This had to be intentional, especially at a professional level. No way it wasn't.
NO reasonable person thinks this was a fluke accident... -The dude was the most penalized in the league. -He's done this before with another player. -Endless accounts of hockey players say this move is very unnatural (Not a falling over action). Throw the book at him because he killed a man.
There are thousands of examples of players skates being at head level. Even in high levels, probably happens more due to speed and physicality. 2 other people have had their necks cut in hockey.
UK criminal law applies. Not American. There is no reciprocal enforcement agreement between the US and the UK. The case must be filed in the USA by the family of Adam Johnson (American citizen) and the proceedings and judgement on American soil. Good luck with that since Petgrave is a Canadian citizen...if he ends up returning to Canada, there are a lot of hoops and hurdles to extradite a Canadian citizen to the USA if the manslaughter charge was in another country. As a Canadian, I have seen thousands of hockey games..and at least 5 neck cuts in the Junior league and some were pretty bad..but never criminal charges. Risk of the game. Neck guards are mandatory in my province since 2019 and some players still get sliced through the guards ..freak accidents happen.
@@toni3901 What would be the reason for that? He is arrested and on bail under the UK jurisdiction area, that is where it happened. He will likely get a maximum sentence for that as it also comes under GBH laws ( Grievous Bodily Harm with intent to injure, is already several years in prison, plus manslaughter and as the video says, depends on if there is a history of it as well. He will face around 12 years in a UK prison probably. Is a US Civil lawsuit to get compensation of some kind ? ( Civil Trial is the UK version I presume, more or less).
I'm sure that I read he went unconscious as he was trying to qet up. The poor guy must have been bleeding massively. One woman in an interview said her son came home from the game and she asked him what was wrong because he walked in white as a sheet and was almost in shock. I'm sure everyone who was there was in a sea of emotions after seeing that.
I started following you a year ago. The intro, the outro, the e-sign promo with your meth making grandma … all of it has me giggling! No self snitching for me! Love the channel.
The guy who did the kick has had more penalties for ugly plays to hurt people than anyone else in the league. I've never seen a foot come up like that in hockey with a minor bump. But the way thousands stood and cheered the guy in support the next couple games is pathetic and disgusting.
insecure UK fans they know how stupid it looks, everyone was saying how it looked like something out of a soccer game. Americans shouldnt even be playing there.
Wow does he really. That’s awful then. Either way he knew what he did could possibly hurt someone. And while I don’t believe he knew it would off the guy, it’s still a chargeable offense imo.
@@HeatherHolt yeah I don't think he believed he would kill him, but I think it's clear it was done with malice It's just so reckless and foolish. Even if he was hit and knocked off balance (imo it's clearly intentional) then you would think a player would try to keep his legs down to try and land safely and not swing blades around at the necks of the people around you. I've never seen a player kick up like that, and this guy was merely bumped before he slashed the other guy. Impossible it wasn't intentional, even if killing him wasn't the goal.
Having a ton of penalty minutes isn’t necessarily a bad thing in hockey. Not a good measure, that is his job. Can’t say he lifted his skate intentionally. There was contact and he could’ve caught a weird edge with a shift of weight. Things happen fast. It’s unfortunate, not criminal.
I appreciate it when people admit they are wrong. It’s a rare trait, especially among influential people in this world thank you. It gives me hope for humanity.😊
The problem is if you've never skated, never played hockey, never watched hockey, you might think this was an accident. If you know anything about the game you'd know this was no accident.
@@candorsspot2775 Absolutely. It’s logical to assume that there was no need to kick that high. It’s so blatantly obvious that he intended to play dirty. I hope Adam gets justice that he deserves.
To me, the question isn't did he lift his leg on accident. It seems to me that he did lift his leg on purpose to impeded the other player's progress. Did he intentionally mean to lift his leg so high as to slice a neck? No, I don't think that was on purpose. Terrible accident. Player should be banned and made to pay a substantial fine. Jailed? That's a tough on for me to figure out. Glad I'm not on that jury.
as long as the new sponsor keeps helping grandma in the basement... it's been a real ride watching your membership grow. i remember when i first found you guys and all kinds of stuff was happening in that basement!
It's a show, mate. Would you say the same thing about a TV host? You better off without a father figure than choosing one on RU-vid (no offense to Bruce, who I think is a really cool dude). It's not sane...
@@ccf8093 I wasn't trying to be rude. I honestly think it's not healthy to be so invested in a youtuber as to call him a father figure. That's exactly the same principle that pushed so many young people to revere Andrew Tate or other douchebags. Life is tough and complicated and only real people around you can really help. If you have nobody, it's better to manage by yourself than starting to put your trust in celebrity you'll never meet, who know nothing about you. I agree Bruce can be a good example on the surface, but we only know him for what he's showing us. It's a show, he's a RU-vidr not a friend. He can only be a good father figure to his own children.
Thanks for taking the time to review this tragic event and consider the alternate view. I came across your channel during the Depp v Heard trial, loved your observation and comments on that. Let’s wait and see what happens off the ice with this one. Best wishes from England and may the Rivers continue to flow.
I love your channel Bruce, and adore the way you talk about your children. I feel the same way about my daughter who's 41, and I'm so damn proud of her!
You do rock! My son who is applying to law schools this month, we watch all your videos and it makes our relationship even better. Your a great mentor for us both!!!!
Congratulations on the Million Subs! As an attorney, I appreciate that you are keeping an open mind about the facts here and open to alternate opinions on the situation. That's why I watch LawTube. I get to see other attorneys sharing their views on current trials, rulings, or just newsworthy events. It keeps me from getting to set in my opinions and try to see it from another perspective, which is something that I believe our world has forgotten about with the social media echo chamber.
@JoelStoeber-yt2sd everyone has an opinion. He is at least willing here to say that maybe he was wrong about it and that's being open minded. His legal commentary is factual and there aren't a lot of ways to interpret a criminal statute because most all of them are so heavily adjudicated its just a settled fact
@@JoelStoeber-yt2sdEveryone is biased, but Bruce has always been open about his. He always talks about similar cases he’s had, or similar experiences in life. How he feels about x y or z, etc. That’s all you can really ask for. With regards to being open minded, I’d say he’s very open minded. He shook this off as an accident at first, but he revisited it and replayed it many times before saying that it’s very possible it wasn’t. Obviously he still doesn’t know, but he’s always been willing to hear other people’s thoughts, or have facts come out, then reevaluate. And I’d say you have to be pretty open minded to be a lawyer at his age (he’s not old, but he’s not 25) and be reacting to rap videos and stuff like that. He’s always admitted when he has biases, he’s always willing to change his mind when new info comes in, and he uses his personal experience trying cases along with the actual law to come to conclusions. He never does that lightly either. So idk what you really want from him tbh.
I watched the video once and determined that it was a highly dangerous manoeuvre performed by that player who 100% should know better. I am so relieved that they finally charged him…so sad and tragic this had to happen :(
I've heard about this incident a lot but seeing the video in slow mode makes me now think he totally did it. I didn't see a slip, doesn't look like he had a foot beneath him that tripped him, if you zoom in you can see him looking at the player right before it happens. Also apparently he had a history for kicking people during games and doing stunts like this. You could also see him use the other team players as maybe a stand in order to get the kick in or to move him out of the way TO kick the other player with his skate.
Saw tweets from an off duty paramedic that was there who along with an offduty doctor and nurse in the stands rushed to help the medical team on the ice and still he couldn't be saved 💔 hope he gets justice. It looked like an illegal reckless check and he should be investigated and serve a long sentence if found guilty
Now that this has happened I bet that neck guards will be mandatory. It would have saved his life, but so would not lifting a skate against an opponent. As for the charges.. so be it! Is he known as a dirty player or had any previous warnings? If so, they need to look at how they deal with players who push the boundaries, get away with it and then go on to do things like this. Heartbreak for Adam's family, friends and his team.
That's how it happened for goalies after Ken Dryden but I don't think so in this case, the problem with goalies is that they already are low and can be flailing around on the floor at the same time players are crashing the net, this was intentional dirty hit aimed at the belly or upper chest, probably aiming for right under the pads. The problem here hasn't happened before because people don't do this, people are aware of how dangerous skates are and don't try to use them as a weapon, this guy had done it before to great success, if you boot somebody with your hard skate through a jersey you won' cut them, I mean you might slice the jersey and that would look awful but what you will seriously hurt them and wind them and this guy had a history of doing that, he was an intimidator and was mad that this guy was a better player than him and getting the better of him.
I've played hockey 30 years and have never seen anyone lift their leg like that. It's disgusting and that guy knew exactly what his intentions were. Unfknbelievable!
ONE of my favourite parts of your video is learning new things - like homicide doesn’t mean murder. I love learning this I didn’t know and love your channel!
Bruce, love listening to your channel. I am a hockey fan, and this was 100% intentional. I don’t think Petgrave wanted to kill Him, but he meant to harm him. He wanted to stop his forward motion no matter what. I don’t think he thought he would kill Johnson, but he didn’t care if he ended his career. 100% intentional by Petgrave.
Tell me you've never played hockey, without telling me you never played hockey! That is a routine collision in hockey with a sad ending. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-FC8f_cGa72w.html
I don’t know anything about hockey, but if I was on the jury the defense would have a hard time proving to me this wasn’t intentional. The video is absolutely disgusting. I highly doubt he takes this to trial.
Bruce you’re absolutely beaming and your gratitude is infectious. You and your son are the lights when things get dark, the only videos I can rewatch time and again. Thanks for being here!!
What a heartbreaking situation. I'm so sorry for his family, as well as all the on lookers. Please keep us posted on this situation, my Rivers dynamic duo!
One word : PROFESSIONALS! Not wknd dad leagues. These are pros people. Masters of their equipment and body and skating and the sport. The definition of their job is literally PROFESSIONAL PLAYER.
That’s nonsense. He went for a hit, missed, got stuck with the right skate which flung the other leg up from the momentum. Watch it at full speed and you can tell how fast it is. Basically impossible to do that intentionally on the ice, you should know.
I really appreciate your humility. Thank you for being open and honest, but also for listening. Keep doing the great work you and Michael do. It’s such a breath of fresh air.
After the commenters overwhelmingly disagreed with your first video on this, I just want to say that I’m really impressed with this follow-up. You handled this like a pro. I’ve always enjoyed watching you. I have so much more respect for you now that I’ve seen you can publicly change your opinion and admit you were mistaken. That’s a rare thing online. Bruce and Michael, you’re awesome!
After watching the video of the death of Adam Johnson multiple times, I believe this is murder. At first I thought it was incidental contact and accidental, but it becomes apparent that the opposing player Matt Petgrave was targeting Johnson. Yes there was another player in between the two of them, but you can see Petgrave is following Johnson’s path. As Johnson starts to pivot to go behind his teammate, Petgrave puts on the brakes with his right leg (you can see the snow kick up) and lifts his left leg to make contact with Johnson. You may say the intent of Petgrave was to slow down Johnson, but the horror of it all is how high the skate goes. Call it what you want, murder or manslaughter, I see it as intentional.
Thank you so much for covering this (tragic) case - being from the UK myself and having spent time in Nottingham I've been following this since it happened and was wondering why an arrest for manslaughter was made. Now I know why. Can I also please echo the sentiments of "Mr Voicemail" - We love you and your talented son "The Content Genius".
You and Michael, and everyone who supports you, deserve huge kudos!!!! Your interesting, funny videos that still manage to send a very important message of love, responsibility, forgiveness, I could go on and on. I am grateful to have found your videos.
I have to agree with you, when i 1st saw the video i didnt think it was intentional, but after the interview i was quite surprised to hear the other player say he tired to hit him in the chest. Clearly i stood corrected.
This was not in accident. It was intentional. The way he lifts his leg up is how you through a side kick. It’s an MMA kick. The most telling that it’s a side kick is that at the end of the kick in order to get the power and torque from the kick you can see his knee almost lock from the whip at the end of the kick. ITS SO OBVIOUS ITS INSANE
My stepfather played professional hockey 🏒 and even states that that kick was definitely intentional. My brother also played hockey all through school also agrees
@@Brotha00Same. I played D1 for 3 years and can easily say this is a freak accident, I’ve seen people’s go flying in the air skates up a few times throughout the years I’ve played, I don’t know why people think it’s like impossible for you to go head over heels in hockey when you’re colliding at 25-30 MPH. People are dumb. Freak accident.
@@Brotha00you're trying to defend an evil man who hurt people intentionally & went too far and killed someone lmao. I wonder if you know what the word "conscience" means hahahahahaha
@@nalsra0I've been playing for ten times as long as you have. I've never seen a leg do that. He meant to kick him in the chest but got him in the throat. Textbook manslaughter. Three years lmao, you barely know how to skate.
I was honestky really interested in how this case would progress. Could you please cover this as the story develops? Seems like a really delicate situation, and gonna be a very interesting court trial. It’s a shame though this came at a cost of a human life. RIP to Mr. Johnson. Thanks for the great video! Ever since finding this channel you’ve grown to be one of my favorites. Keep up the great work!
@@janebaker4912 dude, the fact that race comes to your mind first when reading my comment is a problem. I get the feeling there’s no sense in explaining what I said or trying to reason with you, given you seem just interested in arguing. Pathetic internet people.
watch at .25x playback speed. He pushes one of Adam's teammates out of the way, then he uses the momentum from that to help "push off" from the ice and get that leg KICKING REALLY HIGH. He intentionally did this. Whether to hurt him bad by using as much force as possible to stop him in his tracks, or to do worse... it is totally unacceptable. He showed no concern for him as he was hauled off the ice. He had no remorse for what occurred out there. He KNEW it was against the rules to kick so high/have skates in the air like that. I don't doubt he intended him serious bodily harm, but death? Not sure. It was a really SHITTY decision to get that aggressive with another player, and he deserves to pay for what he did. Maybe it will teach him a lesson about how to treat people. I am very sorry for the family who had to see this happen. 😢 They lost their family member due to irresponsible person who felt he was above the rules of the game. And who didn't value life and limb of anyone on the ice that day. Thank you Bruce and Michael for bringing us this update.
He was intentionally trying to harm him. There’s videos of Petgrave doing the exact same move on another player and also going knee-on-knee with other players throughout the years trying to injury people’s ligaments and destroy their careers. On top of that he’s known for dropping low during a check and dumping players on their head.
For me, its not only the interactions before the fatality, its what the dude did immediately after. It wasn't a "oh s#it! I'm so sorry!" He just skated away
I’m so glad you revisited this. We all love your channel and we can agree to disagree sometimes but we appreciate all you both do! The conduct of the player was purposeful but I don’t think he intentionally meant to kill him. Although being a professional he should have known better. See u in the next video 😊
Bruce and Michael, that guy who left a voicemail message was so right we do love you and what you do here sharing your knowledge with us! I also loved you took us on your roadtrip. Hopefully your buddy who was hit on the road is recovering! I said it before and will say it again, I LOVE the BEARD you grew on the Northern journey. You truly embraced your inner Mountain Man on that mountain trip! Loved that you went to Jasper and Banff as a Woman from Alberta I was delighted you were able to enjoy those to Jewels in our Crown! Thanks again for covering this Hockey tragedy! 🕊❤🕯🏒 🙏🏻
That kick was intentional. His intention was to play Adam rough and used that kick to stop him from interrupting attack. I don't think he intended to kill him tho just that he probably didn't think it could be this worse.
The skate being that high was definitely intentional. Manslaughter is definitely an issue in this specific case. Petgrave is *well-known* for these *illegal moves* and this time... *Adam died as a result.* *Justice for Adam!* ❤😢 And the caller is correct, we do love you and your son Michael to bits! Be yourself, those with their panties in a twist can sit on it.
Right like isn’t this reckless endangerment at minimum and since it caused a d3@th… manslaughter? Since I first saw the video I thought surely that had to be somewhat intentional. It’s like if a nfl player kicked someone like dude it just doesn’t happen unless they mean to lift up their leg and actually kick. Which they know is illegal.
Absolutely! Former figure skater and skating coach. Same as the rule against dirty baseball players going cleats up back when the metal cleats were standard. Though figure skates and hockey skates are sharpened into sport specific blade shapes, I’ve seen deep gashes, fingers severed, facial injuries and that’s specifically figure skating. Those blades are razor sharp no matter the type of skating. The first two thing we teach to beginners is how to fall safely when others are flying around on basically the edge of knifes on the bottoms of their feet and tucking fingers into fists, protecting the neck and face, then quickly getting up and off the ice to safety is first lesson. Also we insisted on little skaters barely competent in walking, wearing helmets, knee, elbow, and wrist braces and pads as broken wrists are the most common injury that happens on any icy ground, let alone a skating rink. Hockey is a violent and aggressively competitive sport by its very nature. Blood sticks, vomit bounces off the ice. Raising a bladed boot above the knee is always intentional and there was NO excuse but to cause harm or possibly the player who caused this horrible loss of an innocent man’s life was a soccer player at some time, which is also an excessively violent and aggressive sport. This was absolutely preventable and there is no excuse to bring a blade that high unless it is for intermediate and above figure skaters who have enough room to make those movements- hence the center of most ice rinks designated for young or trained figure skaters to practice in place moves and practice turns without traveling, or practicing the actual figures seen on the center or the ice for leveling up their skills to advance and eventually compete. This was a split second felony move by the former hockey player who now stands a high chance of the district attorney taking this all the way, and there isn’t a single jury, familiar with ice sports or otherwise, would not convict of reckless endangerment and homicide with a deadly weapon. Tonya Harding’s involvement in the crowbar conspiracy, knee attack of her Rival - Nancy Kerrigan was horrific and selfish.. this case @BruceRivers ( & his remarkably talented, handsome like his fantastic father, the generous son, who also has fantastic taste in cufflinks @MichaelRivers), put together a really important show. The main takeaway being, self control, situational awareness, and knowing and understanding the risks of full contact, very competitive and highly aggressive conduct that is so beyond the pale. Enjoy and refine your skills, to those who participate in highly physical sports that can and do cause tempers to flare out of control to the point where life and limb are easily lost, should a player’s emotions get that out of control. It would not be a stretch for teams to have players seek regular therapy as pro sports are so coveted plus the millions are at stake for each pro player. A regular counselor during the season and tai chi, breath work, yoga, or any form of meditation and learning techniques of emotional centering would be ideal for all professional athletes. Time and time we have seen abuse and murders from former pro athletes as their careers begin to stall and they aren’t trained in any other professions to fall back on or never put money away for the eventual day their sports careers were over. Bless Adam Johnson, may he Rest In Peace, and the entire Johnson family whose parents are now faced with the heart wrenching and unnatural ordeal of them burying their son because somebody with no impulse control chose to do the unthinkable. Sending love and good vibes to all and may we all recognize this for what it is. Hold your loved ones a little tighter- even a natural lifespan is so short and humane are fragile. Treasure every bit of good and try to do one thing each day to bring a bit more positivity into a world starved of peace and light in the darkness. Semper Fidelis and love from our family to yours 🇺🇸🤍🙏
I'm a complete layman when it comes to hockey but that looks 100% intentional to me. Now I'm not going to say he intended to kill the guy but I definitely believe he kicked him on purpose. Literally looks like he used the guy in front of him to balance himself for the kick.
Thanks for revisiting this. Otherwise, I would never have known the rules. Always appreciate your evaluation, Bruce, and now, clarifying the issues. Thanks, Michael!!
That voicemail at the end was so sweet! You are a gem, Bruce! Michael as well and your positive auras radiate in every video. Thank yall for what you do!
Warms my heart to see all the support for you, Bruce, and the galaxy brain content genius, Michael. This channel always has me coming back for the great content🖤
Jesus, I just watched the video of the incident and I was not ready for all that blood. I’m usually fine with gore and blood, on the screen and in real emergency situations, but I’m a bit shaken. I hope the victim gets justice and that his family finds peace.
I am glad you changed your mind. That was not a hockey move. The slight interference with the other player did not cause that skate to be lifted neck high. He has a history of being a very dirty player. I don't know if the two of them ever had run ins with each other, but nevertheless that was complete disregard and intent to injure. Did he mean to kill him? Probably not. He needs to pay for the consequences of making this decision to try and hurt Adam. Rest in peace Adam and sympathy and prayers to his loving family.
My favorite part about listening to you and your channel is that you admit that sometimes you’re wrong and that is amazing because a lot of people don’t do that this kick was 100% intentional he may not have been trying to kill him but he was definitely trying to hurt him and I love that you admit when you’re wrong or possibly wrong that’s what keeps me coming back you’re awesome and so is Michael
Correct. Basically he's saying..." I can use words good so if I win you pay or if I lose you pay ". This guy is dogshiz lawyer. Relying on clicks. ... pathetic.
Swear all you want, Mr. Rivers! The absolute best of you is your love for your son and your authenticity...which includes those swear words that roll off your tongue...😂 This from a little old lady, the daughter of a career military man, brothers, sons (military vets now), and all their friends! I'm here for the law too, although I'm 20+ years retired as a Certified Legal Assistant. 💜
You are so delightful! I imagine your family treasures a matriarch like yourself! Thank you for your sacrifices and for the service of your family members. I’m a 37 year Air Force dependent as a child and then spouse and it is always great to meet others who lived that way of life too. 🇺🇸💙🤍❤ Blessings to you and yours! ❤🤍💙🇺🇸
There's a video of him from a previous game where he makes this same move, although the skate is lower, and he takes out the opponent with the puck by swinging his leg out and tripping him. He has a history of this rough play and it was intentional
Ive watched the video over and over. Ive watched it at half speed. He lifted his leg on purpose. He used the momentum to lift his leg and put it outward towards the man coming towards him. I dont think he intended to kill anybody. I do think he intended to knock somebody down or hurt somebody to get them out of the game.
I like your honest, no sugar coating, straight shooting personality. The genuine love you express for Micheal show how he turned out to be such a smart and talented young man.
I've played hockey all my life - many decades. Yes, I'm a Canuck. His ONLY defense was that he meant to kick him in the head. Reckless disregard at best, and therefore manslaughter. If they can prove intent .i.e a teammate testifies he said 'I'm going to kill that guy,' it's a homicide, of course. It took me a few weeks to watch the clip. I'm not a squeamish guy, but I found the incident ( a Bruce Lee kick)deeply disturbing. Very sad and totally unnecessary loss of a young life.
I'm glad that I wasn't the only one to see something as you did. He intentionally pushed the guy to the side and did a Bruce Lee kick to Mr. Johnson's neck. I'm glad they charged Petgrave.
It was hard for me to watch after when he was bleeding on the ice. Knowing what happened after. He must have been so scared. And now his family has that going around viral and they have to relive that moment over and over. I’m sure there are sickos out there sending it to them to be mean, as we’ve seen happen before. I would bet he realized he got cut in the neck and when he saw all that blood and was trying to get off the ice… he knew. This was no accident. Maybe not murd3r but intentional in one way or another and this poor guy lost his life bc of an insignificant game, in the context of a whole life lost. Just a silly insignificant game.
That so fucking dumb? He wasn't even looking at johnson when he contact the other guy you think he did some bruce lee kick to his neck and also hit his artery? Low IQ thinking
I think there's a good chance of a guilty verdict. Players know, more than anybody - you don't raise your feet up, you don't let your feet go up. Your feet are supposed to stay below a certain level. Bodies fly around, but these guys know to keep their feet down.
@@hoopslaa5235dude why do you keep spamming this on every comment? Many professional players have come out and said this was clear intent to injure. Other people are equally entitled to opinions as well. And now the police have made a fair arrest
That wasn't a freak accident. I have seen several professional players that have fully reviewed the video and they all agree that the play was intentional and that it wasnt a normal hockey move.
@@kevinpacheco9869 Exactly. The previous neck-area injured players were quite low on the ice (like at the goal) when they were inadvertently skated into, or flew into, a skate blade during a *typical collision.* This was NOT typical and appeared to be an intentional hit. Perhaps he was aiming for the chest area (which is super dirty in itself), but the victim here took it at neck level. 😢 The excessive move definitely appears to be manslaughter and the dirty player deserves prison time…in the opinion of many people.
What a great video! It’s comforting to see a professional that admits another viewpoint has been acknowledged. Keep up the good work awesome Michael Rivers as well.
Please don't stop swearing! It's the best part! It makes you human and feels like a water cooler conversation or drink after a long day's work. Your real personality comes out, and that is rare on RU-vid.
Hey Bruce, I just want to say that I love your videos. I have a degree in criminal justice and I have always been interested in criminal law and knowing your rights as an American. My father passed away about a month ago and seeing how great of a dad you are has really helped me grieve. Keep doing what you’re doing.
I like to wait till your video comes out about a news story before I dive into it on my own. It's nice to know the legal aspects of the story almost hours after a story breaks. Big fan.
Same here, really thought it was a freak accident cause this has happened before... but yeah after seeing the video there is absolutely no way he didn’t do it intentionally. I used to play hockey & there is no way for their legs to reach up like that unless they get flipped/hip checked.
There's video of this zoomed in and frame by frame if you look it up. With the video slowed down that much, you can clearly see Petgrave's skate get caught on the right skate of the person he was checking and it ricochets off. He manages to get that foot back down near that player's left skate where it ricochets a 2nd time off the ice and that player's skate sending it back into the air. At this point BOTH of Petgrave's feet are off the ground and his right foot has more momentum because it didn't get caught on anything. This effectively sweeps his legs from under him and causes his left skate further into the air where it unfortunately struck Johnson in the neck. This was nothing but an unfortunate accident.
Y’all are just being racist, I get it. If u watch it again, u will see petgraves right skate hit the other guys skate and he flies into air out of control. He’s not even looking at the guy he hit, just lifts leg up after flying in the air unexpectedly. He doesn’t jump kick anybody.
@@fauxbro1983people just want to to be on purpose. He clearly ramps off other dudes skate. It looks bad, but 100% a freak accident. This is all so stupid.
Thank you for revisiting this event. Like I stated on the first reaction video,the accused did not mean to kill Adam,he did however try to impede his path to the puck. He should be found guilty of manslaughter. He only has himself to blame for his actions. That was a blatant disregard of safety and fair play. Take care guy's!
My only thing is could he have slipped or stumbled from falling into his teammate he did lift his leg pretty high which is f up but It’s not intentional
This is worse than manslaughter. If he intentionally lifted the skate, it’s because he intended to cause great bodily injury and didn’t care if that led to death or not, and I don’t believe for a second that he somehow accidentally got his foot high up enough to reach a full grown male athlete’s neck. If he raised the skate intentionally - and I firmly believe he did - that wasn’t just reckless and unintentional. In that case, his intention was clearly to harm the victim grievously using a razor sharp blade, period. LITERALLY ANYONE knows what will happen if you ram a razor sharp blade into someone using your entire body weight going full speed on skates. Applying a logical rationale to the facts that I just described shows inarguably that if he raised the skate intentionally, his intention was to kill the victim. Nobody could possibly believe that their victim wouldn’t have been mortally wounded by that action. Even if he’d been hit in the chest, I would still have expected that to be lethal. Even swung slashes from a sword are easily lethal, so it’s plainly obvious that virtually any person would be aware of the result of slamming a blade into someone with hundreds of pounds moving at the speed of an Olympic sprinter behind it. This guy is a lunatic and needs to be locked up, I’d be entirely unsurprised if he harmed or killed somebody else in the future.
I don't think he ment to intentonally hurt him . I could understand if it was 1 on 1 and he did it, but when there is multiple people there assign the passion of sport. Accidents are bound to happen when you have a player that is a rough player , just looked that at the NFL, even with all the regulations players still lose helmates running risk of head, neck, or spinal injury. I know it is not the same as this though where they allow contact accidents are bound to happen.
He didn’t try to hit him in the neck. Their skating and going at speed and the guy fell before the skate was suppose to hit his body to block him Yes horrible timing, yet things happen. Anyone running around razor blades is dumb already to not think something could happen. How many injuries happen in construction even with safety precautions
Just stop. He’s flying out of control on ice. Hockey is a contact sport, and it’s very dangerous. Not like he took his skate off and stabbed a dude or cracked them with his stick. He was flying 30mph and got his feet tangled and flips upside down. He doesnt even load up and bend to jump if u watch it. Saying he did this on purpose or tried to kick him in the chest or face is funny, but it’s not true. Unless he attempted to defy physics there no intent to cause serious harm. If u watch the slowed down version u can see he flies into the air after he gets his skate tangled with the other player, he like ramps up into the air side ways, it happens a lot in hockey but doesn’t usually slice somebody’s neck.
I believe the kick was intentional, and I don't think that he thought of the potential consequences in the moment because the play was happening so fast. I think he just wanted to take an opponent down to give his team an advantage but it just went horrifically wrong and a man died as a result of that poor decision.
@@smorris281 I think that is greatly underselling what happened. It is entirely foreseeable that kicking a person in the head with a shoe that has a giant dagger strapped to it, is likely to cause great bodily harm or death. This is not "simple bad sportsmanship", it's reckless disregard for other people's lives.
I’m glad to see you and Michael doing a follow up (and continuing to follow) this case. I watched your first video where you really were thinking it was just a freak accident. I thought “hmmm maybe” but my gut was telling me that this guy lifted his skate intentionally to injure Adam Johnson. I do not think he meant to kill him. But, his reckless disregard for how serious an injury he could cause ended up taking a life. I didn’t think it was an accident at all. THEN I heard that this player has racked up more penalties than anyone else and has played dirty before. I was sure my gut was right. I agree with the arrest. This player needs to be held accountable for his actions. I believe he should definitely do time. I know you’ll keep us updated on the latest as you always do ❤ my condolences and prayers go out to Adam’s family and friends. May he RIP❤️🙏 Thank you Bruce and Michael for all your hard work. Hands down my favorite criminal defense lawyer and content genius on RU-vid! ❤️
I heard that he’s done this before. In over 50 years of watching hockey I’ve never seen someone throw their skate up like that. Hockey players know to keep there skates on the ice. Sure players go airborne at times but I’ve never seen anything like this. 🇨🇦
I am an old lady in Florida. Don't listen to folks who tell you that you swear too much. The reason why I listen all the time is how natural and funny you are. Who would have ever thought my 18 year old grandson and I would both be crazy about the same You Tube videos. It's lovely to have a entertaining video that makes a person laugh and you learn a lot about the law. If I ever get arrested, now I know to shut the hell up.
