Messages revealed between ex-Post Office and Royal Mail bosses over Horizon scandal 

but the tory knighted her and the church nearly made her a priest with a position in the house of lords .surly such a pillier of the comunity with titles and honors cant posibly be a simple thief and a lyer .thtat would make the tory look like right crooks .

Yet she will go on to be free live a long life milking the taxpayer

​​@@andydudley1775 aka 'Bishop'. She is already an ordained priest.

@@andydudley1775house of lords and house of the Lord! Think about…they crucified Jesus, didn’t they !?

We are all at the mercy of the "Establishment " forget what polical party is in government it makes no difference. Callahan made his son inlaw ambassador to the US, Chris Patton lost his seat so was made Governor of Hong Kong, Kinnock and his teacher wife both became E.U. Commissioners with pensions of £160000 per year. None of them care about us as long as we pay our taxes and don't take to the streets.

Well put.

Spot on.

And I knew the establishment will throw me under the bus

Then she should be charged with perjury at least

@@tomricketts7821 she had ample opportunity to right this wrong, she chose not to . LOCK HER UP, first class with tracking

Victimes were innocent, sorry finger problem

at least 1 day for every day a postmaster spent under arrest, in court and in prison

And your proof of that is what? Mr key board warrior. Say that in court.

Are you questioning Patrick's statement?

@@Mikados_Advark12do you have proof to the contrary witness for the defence??

@@Mikados_Advark12 Lied to Lord Arbuthnot about Horizon remote access. She knew in 2013. We have the proof and she lied. Given that this is now an absolute defence to any accusations of slander (Defamation act 2013) I should think ANYBODY would have ZERO problem bringing that up in print and court! Try again keyboard lawyer.

​@@Mikados_Advark12provë she is telling the truth keyboard worried.people are entitled to opinioni without disrespect from you.thats the way these thing work

Masterpiece. Hone in on THE key question which can't be answered without an admission of guilt. Simple questions causing the witness to faff, fuddle and drown in a self made pool of confabulation.

He's excellent

And the people lower down that do all the work, understand the business never get to the CEO role, especially if they refuse to kiss arse. It annoys me massively. The whole Post Office was/is run on the Peter Principle.

hahahha you think Brtsh ones are not aware???????? This is Britain now, weak bullies lol. Royal Mail boss knew and didn't do anything either

at the very least bail, with clear, concise & unambiguous conditions

Because the police are also shady and don’t investigate. They’ve not even begun an investigation in the last 20years.

I totally agree with you.

She’s an occultist

Never trust a god botherer.

Not her fault she thought her imaginary god would fix everything. She just had to pray. Hopefully she can pray all day every day in prison

The CoE has a very sketchy record with other matters such as trying to cover up child molestation.....a non credible organisation of great hypocrisy as far as I can see of them.

So called men of god or late vocational men of god are just as bad!!

She if definitely on some sort of sociopathic spectrum.

😊

He really is, they all are, and it’s fascinating to watch her ‘think’… …reverting to ‘unknown unknowns’, is clever - but undoubtedly disingenuous, because that ‘truth’ was a choice. Answering the question Mr Beer was asking: why didn’t you know? Answer: because she knew EXACTLY how damaging (and criminal!) the scandal was, so she chose to remain ignorant of the greater ‘corporate memory’ available to her. A master of deceptive thinking, but the MENS REA is established via an adverse inference: she knew, and she knew ‘just enough’ to choose to leave the remaining unknowns: unknown to herself - an intentional act of omission - and now she’s just confessed under oath. It’s a subtle confession, but a confession under oath nonetheless… …and an unintentional one at that!

This is a walk in the park for His skills 👍👍👍 Dealing with obvious IDIOTS 😩😩😩

'Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil'......do no evil?

900+

He is good isn't he ? Keeps it clear sharp focused, cuts through the "witness" BS.

Mr Beer is a new national treasure in my opinion 😁 He is extremely quick! I know he is supposed to be in his role, but he still blows my mind 🙌

i concur with you,,,,,,,,,,,but 1year per SPM.....is not enough

Agreed. It’s the usual story of; very happy to collect the large salary but no thanks to the big responsibility.

And are still being abused

She was in line to be The Bishop of London. The last guy who warmed that seat, is an ex-oil executive and now Archbishop of Canterbury! It's third banana in The CofE, FFFS! She doesn't even manage the easy moral rule of christians, "Do as you would be done by" .

@@capt.bart.roberts4975 C of E has gradually been infiltrated by atheist Marxists since 1990, when clergy were told to become political. Marxists usurped the monica, liberal Christian, from the real liberal Christians ( who were a pushover) and moved in to change it from within. People who have never been to Church don’t understand this.

Well said. That exchange damns her. It's obvious what Moya was referring to and equally obvious that Paula Vennells was fully aware of it.

Worse than that,Vennells and her crooked cronies were living the high life and enjoying the trappings of their highly salaried roles whilst their victims were having their lives completely destroyed.

When and how did they say that? Back up your comment.

​@@Mikados_Advark12Stop shilling for her.

​@@Mikados_Advark12Ian Henderson of second sight

@@slugrag and where in his report did he call her a liar?

The Original Serpent from the Garden.

Well said Sir/Madam

So very true .

Yes you might as well worship Kelloggs Rice Krispies for all the good it will do you.

@@jackkruese4258 i'd rather worship the bars of rice krispies bound by marshmallow that my mum used to give me occassionally when I was a kid.

Indeed, that is why religion is a sham, created by those in power to subjugate the poor and uneducated in all society's its been going on since we developed the ability talk to each other. Religion is a disgusting form of mind control.

She said “the post office knew but she didn’t know” how she let those words spill out her mouth is staggering given she was head of that very entity, the post office. The woman is a disgrace.

To put it into terms that she might understand, she is a servant of Satan.

I Know and alan bates was all over her and she claims she didnt know she clearly did . Shes just talking bollocks. Her, her collegues and shareholders were paid money that was stolen from all those poor people alive and dead

Pathetic!!!! Everyone involved must be held legally accountable

Apologies rhymes with bogies. Source: Blackadder*. *Though it does also sound like something Kryten would say in Red Dwarf.

Only Sorry She Got Caught!

Or both.

She is gormless and relayed heavily on her subordinates. Nevertheless, she is ultimately responsible as CEO.

Kim I would hazard a guess that there are many PV runnin g organisation , for which they are unfit. Little people in big jobs. (To quote Richard Nixon)

I do believe something was more important to her, and that was the success of the PO and the creation of more post offices. She wanted to be worshipped by the people of Britain for putting a post office on every street corner. The people getting in her way, had to be sacrificed for the greater good. I do think she shares the same type of insanity as a well known figure from the 1930’s and 40’s.

She is a vicar. I am sure one of the ten commandments is 'Thou shall not tell porkies.'

Vennells' approach: "Deny! Deny! Deny!"

I guess we’ll see. Sounds like empty cynicism to say ‘nothing will happen’ at this stage. There is an enquiry. There will be trials and likely convictions. The time it all takes is another issue.

I am also of the opinion that nothing, or very little will happen to the top brass. House arrest at best for 3 months, then bound over to not break the law for the next 2 years chump change

The precedent was set at Hillsborough not to punish the guilty.

They have to find them guilty, or this is also a scam

Thanks for nicking my post but hey...a new trend I guess.

Yes that maybe true but it can't remember/recollect that it's a duck 😂

Or it’s Beast Boy.

Or it’s a very dedicated parrot

Many religious people are like this, more than the average in the population.

@@alan_davis Quite right. Takes a certain kind of person to think they should tell others how to behave.

If she were arrested from the enquiry her evidence would be curtailed. How would that help anyone? We want to hear Mr Beer's examination in full.

@@MB-pm4xe now now, pipe down or my invisible friend that loves everyone and us full of forgiveness will condemn you to eternal damnation

Yes she should return every penny including everything she owns is sold she has gained at a criminal activity so what's the owns therefore she should lose like criminals drug dealers and so on

I completely agree. They actually didn't have respect for Vennelles: she was the gormless but culpable plant of whom Van Den Bog was envious.

Angie baby ain't going down alone

it's not a lack of self awareness, she was ceaselessly lying about not knowing

@@BOZ_11 It is a lack of self-awareness. She is a liar and she is greedy. She also lacks self-awareness.

What a ridiculous comment.

@@Mikados_Advark12 I think you'll have to amplify that. Venells' excuse is effectively that she was colossally incompetent. Clearly, she isn't. You don't reach the positions she did by being the kind of idiot she would have had to be to have "not known" that postmasters were being prosecuted by the company she ran. That means that everything she has said today is a lie, including all the theatrical tears, which also indicate that she has no shame (she has the audacity to shed tears after all the suffering that has been endured by employees of the company she chaired?), and she accepts no responsibility (she was poorly informed and people kept things from her). Those are the actions of a Grade A, high=functioning psychopath. On the other hand, if you think she's telling the truth, I have this amazing bridge I'd like to sell you....

@@musopaul5407 rushing to judgment is never wise or fair - wait until the results of the enquiry come out. As for psychopath- well that is a bit much.

@@Mikados_Advark12 You must let me send you the details of that bridge I was telling you about... Seriously, it is IMPOSSIBLE that Venells knew as little as she claimed. As CEO, she would have been involved in the process, if not from the beginning, then certainly once the prosecutions began. There is ample evidence that the Post Office did everything it could to cover up problems with the Horizon system, which it knew was faulty, to blame any problems on the postmasters and mistresses, and then to cover up what they knew. As a result, literally hundreds of lives were literally ruined. Venells denied all knowledge of the coverup as well as any responsibility for the suffering inflicted on her employees. Worse, she cast herself as a victim of others' deception and incompetence. In fact, if you listen closely, she didn't actually apologise for anything, beyond one of those corporate non-apology apologies. (she was, "sorry for all that the sub-postmasters and their families have suffered”, not for anything that she did). I don't know how much you know about psychopathy. I'm not an expert, but I do know quite a bit. Not all psychopaths are like Hannibal Lecter, in fact, most of them aren't, but lack of empathy (Could the suicide have been motivated by anything other than the hounding of Post Office officials?), a refusal to take responsibility ("I was too trusting of others"), an extreme capacity for deception and evasion, and a lack of consideration for the rights of others are among the key characteristics of psychopathy. Venells has them in spades. I don't know what the rest of her life is like, but I would say that the likelihood is high that she is some type of psychopath. It is unlikely that there will be a smoking gun, as the Post Office has been destroying evidence and obstructing the investigation for a long time (much of it on Venells' watch). As I said, she would have to be the most colossally incompetent CEO in history to be as ignorant as she claimed, and people that incompetent usually aren't capable of writing 750 page statements. At the very least, she is a pretty craven human being, having been on nearly 3/4 of a million a year, not to say, "Yup, I messed up. I may not have known all the details, but I was CEO and the buck stops with me!" In terms of assigning blame, the inquiry won't achieve much more than it has, any more than Leveson, Hutton or Chilcott did. These inquiries are mainly PR exercises. I'm content to believe that Venells is a cold-hearted corporate liar, that she was one of the principal architects of the prosecutions and the cover-up, and that her behaviour throughout is the result of some type of extreme pathology, and not just ass-covering and the advice of lawyers. Now...about that bridge...

@@Mikados_Advark12 You must let me send you the details of that bridge I was telling you about... Seriously, it is IMPOSSIBLE that Venells knew as little as she claimed. As CEO, she would have been involved in the process, if not from the beginning, then certainly once the prosecutions began. There is ample evidence that the Post Office did everything it could to cover up problems with the Horizon system, which it knew was faulty, to blame any problems on the postmasters and mistresses, and then to cover up what they knew. As a result, literally hundreds of lives were literally ruined. Venells denied all knowledge of the coverup as well as any responsibility for the suffering inflicted on her employees. Worse, she cast herself as a victim of others' deception and incompetence. In fact, if you listen closely, she didn't actually apologise for anything, beyond one of those corporate non-apology apologies. (she was, "sorry for all that the sub-postmasters and their families have suffered”, not for anything that she did). I don't know how much you know about psychopathy. I'm not an expert, but I do know quite a bit. Not all psychopaths are like Hannibal Lecter, in fact, most of them aren't, but lack of empathy (Could the suicide have been motivated by anything other than the hounding of Post Office officials?), a refusal to take responsibility ("I was too trusting of others"), an extreme capacity for deception and evasion, and a lack of consideration for the rights of others are among the key characteristics of psychopathy. Venells has them in spades. I don't know what the rest of her life is like, but I would say that the likelihood is high that she is some type of psychopath. It is unlikely that there will be a smoking gun, as the Post Office has been destroying evidence and obstructing the investigation for a long time (much of it on Venells' watch). As I said, she would have to be the most colossally incompetent CEO in history to be as ignorant as she claimed, and people that incompetent usually aren't capable of writing 750 page statements. At the very least, she is a pretty craven human being, having been on nearly 3/4 of a million a year, not to say, "Yup, I messed up. I may not have known all the details, but I was CEO and the buck stops with me!" In terms of assigning blame, the inquiry won't achieve much more than it has, any more than Leveson, Hutton or Chilcott did. These inquiries are mainly PR exercises. I'm content to believe that Venells is a cold-hearted corporate liar, that she was one of the principal architects of the prosecutions and the cover-up, and that her behaviour throughout is the result of some type of extreme pathology, and not just the advice of lawyers. Now...about that bridge...

There's plenty of other corrupt corporations out there that would value her machiavellian traits... Therefore, highly employable.

I think she is employed at a very senior level, in the NHS. I wonder who pulled those strings? You don’t get to be tipped for Bishop of London without having friends in very high places!

Sounds like she'll be standing as an MP or PM any day now as she sounds to have the same qualities of some of our MP's and a certain blonde haired PM 🤔🤣

@@richbrown8174 she wouldn't get her deposit back

Probably bent over for a roasting that's why her name on list for role..

Crocodile tears me thinks as she knows she has committed perjury and will be found out

Why did she even get one in the first place?

They are shit scared of pissing the Japanese off .

Maybe they or some of their bigwigs donate to the party?

The contaminated blood products scandal.....the list is very long.

I was just thinking this my self...

The " Safe and Effective".

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It is a trait of psychopathy