It was easier to defend then, a lot of wings couldnt even dribble with 2 hands or had a cross over, it was a lot of back to the basket posting up mid ranges
@@richforeverleaks3114 lol hating ass nigga did you watch the games no stop talking of of your ass bozo you don’t know if it was against guards or fucking Jesus lol shut up
Jordan at his defensive peak was averaging more blocks then Lebron. I'm not sure how you justify Lebron as a better rim protector other then the fact he's taller.
Over their careers, their block numbers are almost identical. Total blocks absolutely does not determine who a better rim protector is. That's like saying steal totals determine who the better on ball or perimeter defender is. Is Steph a better on ball defender than LeBron? He averages more steals right?
@@calvinsimpson1301 if blocks arent a factor why do they immediately start talking about Lebron popularizing the chase down block as an argument for why he is the better rim protector? And again I ask what possible argument people have for Lebron being a better rim protector other then the fact he is taller?
@@todd1928 defensive ability in the post, the ability to guard big men in the post or prevent easy buckets close up, strength, ability to alter shots. There's dozens of factors. These dudes are very often way off on these topics. Blocks are a factor, but it's absurd to claim blocks per game is the ONLY factor and that averaging less blocks means Mj is a better rim protector solely based off that. You also have to consider their positions, who they guard, and the talent in their respective eras. LeBron generally guards bigger, more offensively adept players than MJ did on average in an era where 30 threes are taken per game. There's damn near half the amount of driving to the rim in the current NBA than the 80s and 90s. That's a massive factor
@@Chillboyhaad the only reason people remember that block was because it was in the NBA finals in one of the most overrated finals of all time because of the 73 win Warriors
Nobody that wasn't a big man had a chance to win dpoy in Lebron's era when Jordan won it there was 6 dpoy awards given out and they were all shooting guards who won it besides one center. The eras are different
@@vft5593 no it’s not just the eras. The award was fresh and newly introduced when Jordan won it. There were more defensive guards than bigs. Once the bigs came in guards rarely ever won it again
@@jaedenfavors7773 so Jordan deserved dpoy when Hakeem averaged 3 blocks and 2 steals and it was Hakeem's job to guard the paint which was the most important part of the defense at that time? No matter how you slice it a 2 guard wasn't more important to the defense back than than a center and plus Hakeem put up better numbers
@@vft5593 i agree but I believe anybody can win the dpoy award. You have to be an elite defensive player. Also I think Lebron could’ve won it but he wasn’t good enough defensively
@@PoohKalonji_97 LeBron has guarded PF his entire career, MJ guarded guards. Total blocks don't determine who a better rim protector is. You'd have to ignore all other aspects of rim protection to believe that
You're comparing a guy with no season leading defensive statistics to a guy who led the league in steals three times, was the first person to ever recorded 200 Steals and 100 blocks in a season and is the only person to do it multiple times.
Lmao that’s just blatantly wrong. LeBron is always guarding the opposing teams beat players in crunch time. Look at the defense he played on Giannis and Kawhi in 2020
Bro ur just talking he did that to Derrick rose, Paul George, or did u watch the whole 2013 finals where he was guarding 1-5 locking down each position early and late in the game I get it bro recent biases has u thinking like that but it’s just not true
You kidding, even Magic Johnson said you couldn’t get close to Jordan without the refs calling a foul, Bron flopping cause of too many no call fouls so he has to make them call a foul
Kobe was without a doubt one of the best chasedown players and blockers, dude was a top tier defender all his career and could clamp anyone. anyone who’s not 15 and has been watching basketball for more than 20 years can tell you Kobe has some of the craziest chase down blocks and blocks ever
Not only chase down but he use to meet niggas at the rim too. I remember that year Deron williams tried to catch him in the open court and kobe was having none of it
Lebron never averages 2 steals and over 1.1 blocks in his career, and in his peak yer when he finished 2nd in DPOY voting he had 1.7 steals and 0.9 blocks per game. MJ had many season better than that, and his monstrous DPOY season he averaged 3.2 Steals and 1.6 blocks per game. People don't realize what kind of a Monster MJ was on defense in his prime.
@@alexcasillas6973 What kinda insult is that? I never said anything about Lebron's defense being better because it isn't. Get your facts right before speaking kiddo.
Chase down blocks aren't rim protection. Otherwise why TF does Rudy Goebert have DPOY's??? Part of rim protection as a guard is eliminating penetration from guards INTO THE PAINT. So by that logic the better perimeter defender contributes more significantly to rim protection. MJ is hands down a better on ball defender than LeBron.
@@2kolbe010off ball too bruh lbj might be bigger but he has been overrated defender due to having been in superteams, mj was a better help defender ,on ball or off ball defender and he was a better rim protector than lbj
Jordan was checking guys 94 feet for entire quarters and halves of games. Bron definitely deserves his credit for the chase down. But being able to slow down the opposing team or force them to speed up and cause turnovers is more valuable imo
No he wasn't. They didn't play full court press often at all. It was used sparingly. Also Scottie got the hardest assignments because he was a better defender than Jordan.
Let's not forget, MJ won his DPOY the same year he won MVP as well. Also, LeBron has never had a season where he had 100 blocks and 200 steals. Jordan did it twice, back to back in '88 and '89.
Jordan literally averaged more blocks per game than a guy whose multiple inches taller than him and plays forward. Don't even get me started on steals when he has multiple Seasons leading the league in steals.
Rim protector isn’t chase down blocks . You probably can’t find a clip of bron getting dunked on cuz he never challenges anyone. Or Nike deleted that footage 😂.
Mars it's out of his mind. LeBron James has never average more than one block per game. And 87 Jordan average 1.6 Blocks per game. Y'all were asking these teenagers these questions. Who never watch Jordan play. Jordan was pretty damn good at the chase down block himself!
1.6 blocks a game would be more than most big men in the league today yall just look at these stats without looking at who they’re guarding watching them BOTH play LBJ guards bigger and more offensivly skilled played than MJ
@@GOAT-we4ti I don't have to... Let LeBron do it. Who did LeBron say made him fall in love with the game of basketball? Did it matter to LeBron who Michael Jordan was playing against?
@@GOAT-we4ti maybe you should go back and review tape. You see I saw it live real-time. I know for a fact that most of Jordans blocks did not even come off the person that he was guarding but it came from centers in the league... Certified 7ft players. Michael Jordan was a better by a long shot when it came to LeBron James. He played better individual defense and better team defense. Jordan as the primary ball-handler averaged a triple-double. Do your homework
Dwayne Wade was a better defender than Lebron. And that’s not to say Lebron is a shit defender, he’s a great defender at his peak. But prime DWade is one of the only 2 guards I’ve seen be a legitimate shot blocker and excellent perimeter defender.
I hate when ppl ask mars opinion. And he answers so sure of himself lol. Peak lebron was a better defender than mj? Jordans peak defense was 10x stronger than lebrons peak lol
Lebron at his peak from around 09-14 could cover more positions than MJ. But these guys saying he was a rim protector is just completely false. Dude has never even had 100 blocks in a season, MJ did it twice and even Wade has done it once.
@@Chillboyhaad guarding more positions doesnt make u a better defender. Just means ur quick and big. Mj could guard the 1 2 and 3 at a much higher level then lbj
@@JordanNyce I didn't say it made him a better defender, but he was able to hold his ground on multiple switches in his prime. MJ couldn't guard the 3 more effectively than Bron in my opinion.
There’s no way in hell y’all having a conversation about who had better defense out of those two 😂🤦🏽♂️. Jordan is by farrrrrrrrrrrrrrr a better defender
People do somehow forget that prime Bron especially in Miami was a GREAT defender, ofc now in year 20 he doesn't play defense all game like he used to but let's not act like prime Bron didn't clamp up and he was COMPLETELY robbed out of a DPOY in 2013🤦
@@tylercanton3836LeBron was the defensive anchor on that Cavs team buddy. He was probably the best help protector/off ball defender during that time because he could switch to pretty much any position and hold his own, and also defend the rim at a pretty good rate. Numbers and eye test support this if you just looked.
@@tylercanton3836he stopped playing defense when he got bk to Cleveland imo. That's when he started playing what I call "highlight defense." Pretty much chase down blocks and steals that lead to fast breaks but also if the game is close in the 4th he'll clamp up.
Chase down block is not rim protection, that's transition defense. Neither of these duses were rim protectors and so using that as a factor in their defensive legacy is dumb. It's putting an emphasis on 3s when comparing Shaq and Hakeem's offensive game.
U guys are literally using a few possessions of a regular season game where he played good defense n comparing him to a dpoy. U guys sound just as bad as the bimbo who claimed peak lebron is better
Irrelevant question. LeBron doesn't play defense. He only played defense for less than half of his career and people act like that somehow doesn't matter.
But here’s the thing, from 2009-2015ish bron was REALLY a rim protector. He could guard your 1-4 and go vertical easily. 2016 he started to regress but even then he was still agressive as hell
How was LeBron a better defender at their peak when MJ won defensive player of the year in 1988. He is one of the only players to win MVP and DPOY in the same year. Jordan came back at 40 and was still locking up top-tier stars. In 3 separate seasons, he led the league in steals. LeBron has never led the league in any defensive category. Michael 1 of 4 players with 9 All-NBA Defensive Team selections. ALL FIRST TEAM. LeBron only has 5 while playing more years. The disrespect towards Jordan is crazy
The idiocy of this question is that they both average 0.8 blocks for their career. LeBron was not a rim protector. Hell, D-Wade averaged .8 blocks too for that matter. None of them can be classified as rim protectors. Certainly not when there are people put here averaging 3-4 blocks a game & going after every shot that comes down the lane
@@deetheoriginal3117 he is, or at the very least is in the running for it, but no one considers him a rim protector. So if he's not, & MJs not, how is LBJ when they all average the same amount? I dont think LeBron has ever led his team in blocks. I know Wade did it at least once, a team LBJ was on by the way.
Del: seriously Bron was a rim protection?😂 Chill: Who enhanced the chase down block?😂 Bron has never been able to shut down, limit nor guard anybody that was a significant scoring threat period, especially in crunch time.
@@Zero-wy2gx oh really? Where was his defense when Tony Parker dirk, Kawhi, KD, Steph, klay, barrea, terry and others was puttin on a clinic on the biggest stage? Nowhere to be found yet he supposedly guards all 5 positions😂😂, false claim.
@@1682Wick it’s not the sole purpose of a rim protector is to keep the opposing team from creating penetration, or baskets in the paint Lebron is not a rim protector. How is he a rim protector when he plays the 3? He’s not a 4 or 5? His game is predicated on the perimeter, high pick and roll.
@@1682Wick rim protecting is more associated for bigs than guards because the bigs control the painted area. Your an idiot rim protector sole purpose is too minimize penetration, and points in the paint also defend the pick and roll well, and rotate out of transition.
@@eappleby9702 Tayshaun had many chase down blocks. He just happens to have IMO the best one. Bron never gets there if JR Smith is there helping alter iggy’s shot. Tayshaun came from way further back and did it alone.
Lebron was literally rim protecting 09-15 especially in Miami bruh was a menace. But then again can you say someone who doesn’t block shots protecting the rim?
Giannis is considered a rim protector but he’s averaging less than a block this season u wouldn’t call him a rim protector? Levels to this game bro lebrons a better interior defender than mj
@@GatterSzn He is. Defending is not only blocks or steals! He was not a center ( center = blocks ) He made his job nearly perfect. That’s the reason, he is the best defender of all time!
At the peak Jordans defense was insane y'all forget Jordan was a lock down defender, a thief at defense, and also a shot blocker let's be real here and this was at a time where there was more one on one defense opposed to today's NBA where it's way more zones etc
@@deetheoriginal3117 MJ and wade average .9 blocks per game. Wade played 4 games less than MJ and has 24 less blocks. Highest average in 1 season goes to MJ at 1.6 vs wade at 1.3. Mj did it in a time where defense was played and centers dominated that category. It's ok if you just started watching ball in the 2000's. I never discredited Wade, I just said he wasn't the only getting it done, you can reference older players that were known for blocks. Can you read? Or did you just assume I was talking shit.
@@GregoryMichaelCarter no they don’t, they say he’s not top 5 at all. Not even mentioning him in the same convo as the goat, doesn’t believe he’s the best laker. Bro just basically laughed when Kobe was mentioned in a chase down block convo. Tell me where’s the credit?
people get confused Bc he makes a chase down block every once in a while, lebron was definitely great for a few years but he was simply just guarding 2-4 when he was on court, he only guarded 1 and 5, 5% of the time and that’s transition time, so he literally didn’t even guard center or PG enough to be an elite rim protector IMO he wasn’t really doing stuff like that, as much as people think he did
Ima be honest my boy u must not remember miami in the playoffs he was guessing the point guards so he could hide from the tougher matchups size wise for him had him on tony Parker an drose instead of kawhi n Lual deng
@@bigchaz9208as 1-4. Rondo, Kidd, Billups, Parker, D-Rose he’s held down in key moments. He only can somewhat contain a 5 if it’s help defense. I’ve seen him send shots back at bigs rolling to the rim off a pick n roll. But if your asking him to guard 5’s the entire night, then it isn’t happening.
Lebron could never guard all 5 positions. That's a myth that his camp is trying to push in the media. For small spurts he'd guard a point guard and just back peddle and his teammates would have to help. And there are no big men with post moves for him to guard in today's game.
Prime defensive lebron was a great defender,but since those Miami days,he stopped playing defense like that,probably because it didn’t result in him winning DPOY,while MJ was still making first team all defenses as a 35 year old
Kobe definitely was chase down blocking and he definitely doesn't get credit for it. Tayshawn Prince was also another chase down that doesn't get credit
I'd say LeBrin's size made him more versatile cuz he could go head up against 4s & be fine and still quick enough to guard PGs while MJ was only on guys 1-3. I think MJ was a better defender pound for pound though. Equal blocks, comparable help defense (personally I give that edge to MJ but for the sake of argument let's say they're equal), & MJ got more steals.
Jordan is just simply better. I’ve noticed Lebron fans have to cherry pick tf out of every stat in favor of Lebron but completely discredit any success Jordan had
Mike got robbed in 86 or 87 where he had 200 steals and 100blks. And the very next season he does the same thing and they gave it to him with mvp. Mj should at least have 2dpoys.
How many years did Michael de deleted steals? How many years was he on the first team? All defense? But the real test of defense is in the playoffs. Look at how many players that mike Faced in the playoffs look at their scoring averages. All the guys that mike faced there numbers they all went down. None of them ever went up. That’s not the case with LeBron, all the guys maintainer averages or went up.
Wilt Chamberlain “enhanced” the chase down block way before any of them so I don’t get the guys point about Kobe. Do I need to start posting wilt chase down block vids?
I just want to know who Jordan actually had to guard to be a better defender than LeBron, was it anything like Kevin Durant? Paul George? Prime Derrick Rose? was he in the post locking up someone like Pau Gasol? What defensive versatility did Jordan give his team that LeBron gave to Miami in his peak?
Other than Derrick Rose Lebron almost never guarded the teams elite player. He wasn't checking KD even on OKC. When the Cavs played the Warriors he wasn't checking KD but KD was guarding him. Stop the cap!! Lebron hasn't consistently tried on Defense since 2011. That was a decade ago. He has Donhtay on the Cavs (first run) he had Shane on the Heat, he had Shumpert on the Cavs second run.
