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The Greatest Debate: Analyzing Jordan and LeBron's Careers Side by Side 

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Was Michael Jordan the GOAT or is Lebron James the best ever? This might be an NBA First Take and the best NBA Debate you will watch today!
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@blacojay6818
@blacojay6818 6 месяцев назад
Arguing with someone that called Lebron his glorious king is crazy What a waste of time
@dukeGed
@dukeGed 6 месяцев назад
hes just a typical bron nut taster
@mofofresh
@mofofresh 4 месяца назад
This is not a debate. Michael Jordan is the GOAT. It's not close, and it's not even a comparison. 🏀
@dadillonful
@dadillonful 2 месяца назад
The goat at what exactly?
@amdude1015
@amdude1015 28 дней назад
Saying it’s not close is laughable
@babyboi98
@babyboi98 4 месяца назад
Stop saying Jordan Didn’t Rebound and Assist And Scottie did… WHEN THEY AVERAGED THE SAME THING!!!! JORDAN IS THAT DUDE!!!
@ericjordan6059
@ericjordan6059 4 месяца назад
To boot, Jordan was a 2-guard. People also fail to bring up that rebounding comes on either side of the ball - offensive and defensive, where the former is more difficult to come by. Jordan averages more than LeBron does for their respective careers. Also, assists are more difficult to come by as a 2 than they are being a "point"/forward.
@TeamApeee
@TeamApeee 9 дней назад
Yk who got more tripe doubles right?
@johnjones7957
@johnjones7957 7 дней назад
Jordan led his team in defensive win shares more years than LeBron and had a better career defensive rating.
@johnjones7957
@johnjones7957 7 дней назад
The guy with the white shirt and the shorts who supports Michael Jordan had the best argument. He pointed out that he can get LeBron‘s best, he was riddled with the deficiencies that Michael Jordan didn’t have.
@johnjones7957
@johnjones7957 7 дней назад
What LeBron had to develop overtime, we’re shooting efficiency, but work, and post it moves, Michael Jordan had to go up more naturally, a lot earlier, and a lot easier.
@kevinjames60
@kevinjames60 6 месяцев назад
If i hear, “imagine if LeBron had Scottie” one more time. Last i checked D Wade is ranked much higher than Scottie all time. Kyrie was a better scorer than Scottie, AD is a better all around player than Scottie. This notion that Bron didnt have help has gotta stop
@lankyknite
@lankyknite 6 месяцев назад
Is Kyrie and Ad better than Scottie?
@tylerconley1063
@tylerconley1063 6 месяцев назад
Let’s not forget lebron had ray allen as a team mate!! Ray Allen was a monster!! And lebron had Kevin love! The amount of help lebron has had throughout his career is lowkey unfair lol
@johnnyarko7783
@johnnyarko7783 6 месяцев назад
@@lankykniteYes.
@lankyknite
@lankyknite 6 месяцев назад
Lebron won when he had those teammates, but there were still plenty of years he didn’t have them
@zxcvb3772
@zxcvb3772 6 месяцев назад
@@lankyknite Not Kyrie, but AD is WAY BETTER than Scottie.. when available. edit: Just to clarify, Kyrie's 2016 performance is better than any performance from Scottie in the playoffs, but Kyrie had too many duds in his career the last few years.
@gunny-lneck4352
@gunny-lneck4352 7 месяцев назад
They sayin chill won cuz JRob was dead weight this debate is cooked💀
@Lifted001
@Lifted001 6 месяцев назад
He really said Lebron never folded 😂 and LJ improving every aspect of his game year to year is a bold face lie
@aljilhano5822
@aljilhano5822 6 месяцев назад
That man is blind bro🤣
@jaysandi88
@jaysandi88 6 месяцев назад
Lol you one of those dudes that watches highlights only huh… There has clearly been 4 different versions of Lebron…
@Lifted001
@Lifted001 6 месяцев назад
@@jaysandi88 reading comprehension? Lebron has played 20 years and you talking about 4 versions 😂 that isn't improving year to year dipshit and his stats clearly prove that he's consistent and hasn't improved any of his biggest flaws. Lebron has no bag he's just a big body
@Rjb0224
@Rjb0224 6 месяцев назад
@@jaysandi88 actually, there are 5 versions…….DoucheBag Lebron.
@ericksonfaustino1631
@ericksonfaustino1631 6 месяцев назад
He imporove his TURNOVER every year..and right now,hes the most TO 5k and counting...LBJ never folded when his team is in the lead,but when his team is trailing...HE QUITTED
@SojiRo23
@SojiRo23 6 месяцев назад
6× NBA champion (Back to Back 3-Peats)‬ ‪6× NBA Finals MVP‬ ‪5× NBA Most Valuable Player‬ ‪14× NBA All-Star ‬ ‪3× NBA All-Star Game MVP‬ ‪10× All-NBA First Team‬ ‪1x All-NBA Second Team‬ ‪NBA Defensive Player of the Year‬ ‪9× NBA All-Defensive First Team‬ ‪1x ROTY‬ ‪10× score champ‬ ‪3× steals leader‬ 2× NBA Slam Dunk Contest champion
@edmundmcelroy3391
@edmundmcelroy3391 5 месяцев назад
That's amazing wow
@Cheese_15
@Cheese_15 7 месяцев назад
Marz and Low cleared them ngl
@MakeOutHeaven666
@MakeOutHeaven666 7 месяцев назад
Obvious as fuck tbh
@Cheese_15
@Cheese_15 7 месяцев назад
@@MakeOutHeaven666 all the judges have Bron as the GOAT that should tell why chill won
@temiadeyinka3675
@temiadeyinka3675 2 месяца назад
@@Cheese_15their presence is unnecessary their just annoying ruining the video talking in the middle of the debate
@kingjj1372
@kingjj1372 4 месяца назад
Mj is the goat.. anyone arguing for lebron is arguing for a great loser. Period
@kuulk4tt
@kuulk4tt 4 месяца назад
I find it funny how everybody always says where would Jordan be without Pippen... where would Lebron be without D Wade, Chris Bosh, Kyrie Irving, Kevin Love, Anthony Davis? More help, less titles but the biggest thing on that is everybody says that like Pippen came to the Bulls an allstar and automatically made them champions. No Pippen was a nobody and averaged less than 7 pts a game. He became a hall of fame player and defender why? Because who wouldn't guarding the most dominant offensive player in the history of basketball? After guarding Jordan everyday in practice everyone else in the league is chopped meat. Jordan "made" Pippen not the other way around.
@cp238
@cp238 4 месяца назад
Without Pippen Mj doesnt get the rings, without the Rings Mj doesnt even get close to Kareem…. Lebrons in the debate rings on no rings
@GABEMOORE533
@GABEMOORE533 4 месяца назад
​@@cp238🗣️ST 🛑 P THE N🚫NSENSE . INDIVIDUALLY , MIKE WAS MIKE BEFORE SCOTTIE ARRIVED . N🚫 SUPERSTAR 🌟 OR STAR ⭐ WINS A CHAMPI🏆NSHIP OR ( S) WITH🚫UT SOME HELP OR A LOT OF HELP . MIKE HAD SOME HELP . LeBRON HAD A LOT OF HELP . WHAT 'S LeBRON LEGACY WISE WITH🚫UT DWADE AND CHRIS BOSH . WIN THE BULLS 🐂 W🪙N THE CHAMPI 🏆 NSHIP IN THE 1990 - 91 SEASON AND IN THE 1997 - 98 SEASON , SCOTTIE WASN ' T EVEN SELECTED , AS AN ALL STAR⭐ . ONLY , MIKE WAS . WHEN SHAQ WAS ON THE ORLANDO MAGIC HE SAID , " SCOTTIE PIPPEN WASN ' T ON THE SCOUTING REPORT . " FORMER DETROIT PISTONS PLAYER▶️ BILL LAIMBEER SAID , " WE WEREN ' T WORRIED ABOUT SCOTTIE PIPPEN . " SO IF MIKE NEVER W🟢ULD ' VE HAD SCOTTIE , THAN SO IT JUST W🟢ULD ' VE BEEN SOME 👤THER PLAYER▶️ . SCOTTIE INCONSISTENT PIPPEN , C🟢ULD BE REPLACED . ST🛑P OVERRATING SCOTTIE . SCOTTIE WAS REALLY # 2 BY DEFAULT . SCOTTIE IS REALLY A # 3 OR # 4 OPTION . SCOTTIE IS TO INCONSISTENT , TO BE A # 1 OR # 2 OPTION . LeBRON ISN ' T IN THE G.🐐.A.T. , DEBATE WITH 6 LOSSES IN THE FINALS . WITH PLAYOFFS AND FINALS MELTD⬇️WNS . GOOH .>🎤 😡🗑️
@marlowstanfield6815
@marlowstanfield6815 6 месяцев назад
"My glorious king" where did you find this guy??? 😆 🤣 😂 😹
@unlimitedz2.014
@unlimitedz2.014 7 месяцев назад
How did low and marz not win this? whether or not u believe Jordan or lebron is the GOAT marz and low clearly won this debate 💀
@ABasedTohan
@ABasedTohan 7 месяцев назад
Glazing low and Marz killed them
@kinghueco9889
@kinghueco9889 7 месяцев назад
They glazing. Low and Marz bodied. They doin what rhey do with Lebron Lmao
@berny3056
@berny3056 7 месяцев назад
Chilltown was lowkey cooking them
@unlimitedz2.014
@unlimitedz2.014 7 месяцев назад
@@berny3056 how they debunked all his points and he didn’t really have a debunk they couldn’t rebuke and alot of their main points he agree with jusy from a debate standpoint he lost clearly
@doeboy84
@doeboy84 7 месяцев назад
Sometimes in a debate it’s not what you say, it’s HOW you say it and Low and Marz can be very condescending, arrogant or disrespectful in the way they talk to people. I agree with them that MJ is the greatest though
@stephanm.2831
@stephanm.2831 4 месяца назад
"Lebron got better as defensive player"😂😂😂 he giving up playing defense years ago....
@bdn4306
@bdn4306 7 месяцев назад
As soon as I heard ‘glorious king’ I skipped his entire segment
@thegoodprince3264
@thegoodprince3264 7 месяцев назад
"My glorious king."
@uknowwhoib9676
@uknowwhoib9676 5 месяцев назад
This dude lying about Jordan avg 22 points against the pistons. Jordan never avg less than 29 ppg against the pistons in the playoffs.
@ericjordan6059
@ericjordan6059 4 месяца назад
That is what these misinformed characters do
@kamay7021
@kamay7021 5 месяцев назад
“It took LeBron 3 years to do what it took Mike 7” The problem with that is LeBron had a very weak road. His first two opponents were 41-41 (0.500) teams who were missing key players. He beat the Pistons but they didn’t have the HOF coach or DPOY Ben Wallace. And then LeBron shot what.. 35% from the field for the entire seasons when 3 of 4 games were single digit deficits? Pretty sure he even shot less than 70% from the FT line and had 5+ turnovers a game. Put Jordan in that spot and he’s lighting them up for 35 a game shooting 45% and 90% from the FT line lol.
@kamay7021
@kamay7021 5 месяцев назад
“The team was built around Jordan” The team was built around LeBron too, it was just built around LeBron poorly because LeBron wasn’t Mike. Mike was surrounded by great defenders and role players. So was LeBron. That’s actually why they even had a chance in the 2007 finals is because the Cavs were the best defensive team in the playoffs that year and held the Spurs down from their regular production. The way the Spurs beat LeBron was making him shoot jump shots. You can’t do that with Mike..
@kamay7021
@kamay7021 5 месяцев назад
“People won on Jordan’s watch” Not as much as they did on LeBrons, and unfortunately you can’t blame Jordan for his losses when he’s averaging 35 a game on 50%+ shooting. Some of the losses in the 90s aren’t even on his watch because he wasn’t there.
@kamay7021
@kamay7021 5 месяцев назад
“Marc robbed LeBron of DPOY” The distance between LeBron and Marc in points was the distance between in 2-7 on the DPOY list. LeBron was not even close. 1) being an anchor is more impactful, Grizzlies were a better defensive team, Marc was a better defensive player. LeBron’s Heat would’ve been one of the worst defensive teams ever to have a DPOY player if LeBron won it.
@kamay7021
@kamay7021 5 месяцев назад
“LeBron worked on his midrange game“ I guess compared to his young years this is true, when he was shooting like 35% from the midrange. During the Heat he shot around 42% and then dropped off again every year after besides his first year on the Lakers where shot 42% again. For some context, that is worse than Michael Jordan as a 40 year old man. His peak shooting from the midrange is equal to or worse than Jordan’s worst years from the midrange and outside of 2018 he was even worse than that in the playoffs
@kamay7021
@kamay7021 5 месяцев назад
“Jordan game 3 needed Pippen” No one is saying Jordan never had a bad game. He’s never had a bad series, though. Especially when it matters. The next game, game 4, Jordan put up 54 points on 60% shooting, 67% from the 3 (9 3PA), while Pippen shot 28%. Pippen was heavily inconsistent throughout practically the entirety of his career and especially in the last 3peat when Jordan had some of the worst supporting casts in NBA history (98). Jordan would’ve had 7 rings if Pippen scores more than 2 points in 1990 game 7. No one else even had double digit points besides Horace Grant (10) who shot 17% and the team shot 30% overall with Jordan shooting 50%
@rayray5561
@rayray5561 5 месяцев назад
Lebron arguments are always what ifs and at least he got there but didn't win
@alfasiger4178
@alfasiger4178 5 месяцев назад
The surgery was a success (makes it to 10 finals). But the patient died (won only 4 finals).
@LD-ed2jv
@LD-ed2jv 4 месяца назад
🤣🤣🤣😂!! So true!!!
@v1LL2n
@v1LL2n 4 месяца назад
There is no debate. MJ is leaps and bounds above EVERYBODY.
@VOICEtheVILLAIN
@VOICEtheVILLAIN 6 месяцев назад
It's crazy that Jordan's reign was 30 years ago, almost 2 generations and he's steal considered the GOAT by most people. That's how we know Jordan is truly the GOAT.
@Linker_12
@Linker_12 6 месяцев назад
That makes zero sense😂
@deLic98
@deLic98 6 месяцев назад
@@Linker_12how does it not? Do you have comprehension deficiencies or something😂
@dadillonful
@dadillonful 2 месяца назад
It’s called being delusional and bias
@nasbofficial7796
@nasbofficial7796 6 месяцев назад
They keep bringing up scottie pippen acting like bron didn't have Dwyane wade Bosh kyrie k love and AD on his teams
@ericamattox519
@ericamattox519 5 месяцев назад
Exactly that's why I don't take nothing these clowns say serious nothing
@nathancarter1082
@nathancarter1082 4 месяца назад
Think on this...if you're facing the death penalty, and your team wins ....you live. Your team loses..you die . Who you bet your life on? MJ or LeBron???
@MarzTalksSports
@MarzTalksSports 7 месяцев назад
everyone in the world knows me and Low won in a landslide victory,chill gettin the no teammate tax break
@anigamingnetwork8827
@anigamingnetwork8827 7 месяцев назад
Do you think the reason why this debate continues to be so decisive even though in reality its very one-sided in MJ's favor is due to the amount of hype and investment put into lebron that him being anything else then the GOAT is considered a BUST. I Feel if you took his career and put it on someone that didn't get the same amount of investment from the Media and the League that player although being great would match up way closer to Kobe Duncan Shaq Magic Bird instead of MJ = LBJ
@kgema89
@kgema89 7 месяцев назад
🧢🧢🧢
@B.Piercesports
@B.Piercesports 7 месяцев назад
No you didn't marz sorry to say lebron is the reason his teams lost multiple playoff series is disingenuous. 2011 is the only playoff he can be totally blamed for. 2010 vs boston he wasn't effiecnt.
@MarzTalksSports
@MarzTalksSports 7 месяцев назад
@@B.Piercesports no i didnt what
@Slyme1big
@Slyme1big 7 месяцев назад
Yall definitely were cooking they gave chill a senior tax 😂
@Mr10before9
@Mr10before9 7 месяцев назад
Jordan actually finished 2nd in all-time scoring in just 13 seasons...everybody that surpassed Jordan to push him down to 5, they all needed 17 or more seasons to reach him
@Basketball_Debate
@Basketball_Debate 6 месяцев назад
Karl Malone? Drafted 85-86
@Mr10before9
@Mr10before9 6 месяцев назад
@@Basketball_Debate what about him? He played for 19 seasons...sure, he passed Jordan in 16 seasons, so technically he did it in under 17 seasons, but...that's still 3 more seasons of play.
@Basketball_Debate
@Basketball_Debate 6 месяцев назад
@@Mr10before9 You're reaching
@Mr10before9
@Mr10before9 6 месяцев назад
Karl Malone = 16 seasons Kareem Abdul-Jabar = 16 seasons Kobe Bryant = 19 seasons LeBron James = 16 seasons Guess I need to revise the stance, it only took them 16+ seasons, not 17+ seasons. But let's see where they all were after 13 seasons, like Jordan... Karl Malone = 3,645 points behind Jordan Kareem Abdul-Jabar = 3,339 points behind Jordan Kobe Bryant = 7,607 points behind Jordan LeBron James = 4,594 points behind Jordan
@Basketball_Debate
@Basketball_Debate 6 месяцев назад
@@Mr10before9 Another hypothetical?
@-DividedWeFall-
@-DividedWeFall- 5 месяцев назад
The NBA all time leader in turnovers and missed shots is not only NOT the GOAT but he wouldn't even be on my all time starting 5
@bradleyburton2664
@bradleyburton2664 2 месяца назад
Baboon mentality. It never ceases to amaze me. If lebron was in the west for his first 10 years in the league, Jesus.... he would've never made the finals.
@jayt1636
@jayt1636 6 месяцев назад
Marz saying mj the best scorer ever made my day cuz I feel like this narrative is dwindling even tho it’s true
@ssaribay
@ssaribay 6 месяцев назад
Dumb arguments for Lebron. When comparing to HoF’ers, he has a terrible FG% & terrible FT%. At the end of the game, Lebron is literally the last person you want with the ball in his hands. Jordan is the GOAT
@jaysandi88
@jaysandi88 6 месяцев назад
So… contrary to popular belief… Lebron has a better FG% than MJ… his free throws are Average and yet he passed MJs scoring record a thousand shots earlier… he’s also the most clutch player ever… why? Highest regular season clutch % and second most makes… 7 behind Kobe Most buzzer beaters and highest Buzzer beater percentage by FAR in the playoffs
@kamay7021
@kamay7021 5 месяцев назад
@@jaysandi88LeBron literally shoots 18% from the clutch in regular season
@jaysandi88
@jaysandi88 5 месяцев назад
@@kamay7021 and yet he’s made the most clutch shots this season alone Is the 2nd highest in history, has the most playoff buzzer beaters and the 2nd most game winners after Kobe in league history Make it make sense.
@keithbrazell6909
@keithbrazell6909 5 месяцев назад
Who r these guys!? Jordan the Goat..stop the madness!!
@patrickgramblin4316
@patrickgramblin4316 5 месяцев назад
Cap
@srt392_quay4
@srt392_quay4 7 месяцев назад
Why they talking about imagine if BRON had Scottie…. BRON had DWAYNE FREAKING WADE A BETTER PLAYER THAN SCOTTIE 🧐
@ghsjsjsd
@ghsjsjsd 7 месяцев назад
I think you can make the argument that prime-scottie was a better player than 2012 and onwards-wade. But there's definitely no excuse for 2011
@sideshowbobsaget8876
@sideshowbobsaget8876 7 месяцев назад
​@ghsjsjsd No, you can't. Pippen wasn't as good as ya'll try to make him out to be. 91-93 is Pippen peak yrs.
@damonlillard3097
@damonlillard3097 7 месяцев назад
Thank you Bro. The judges are idiots too
@lawisclems4303
@lawisclems4303 7 месяцев назад
Lebron fans acting like MJ had more help than Lebron is comedy, how can you say that when you see the amount of help Lebron had 😂 they act like Scottie is a top 20 player all time
@MOCdude
@MOCdude 7 месяцев назад
LeBron didn’t have Dwyane Wade from 05-10. Michael Jordan had the better prime seasons of Pippen
@Highbudget
@Highbudget 6 месяцев назад
Jordon, no debate. No one picking Lebron over MJ to be in their team, No one!
@jaysandi88
@jaysandi88 6 месяцев назад
Lol… delusion is a symptom of being in the Jordan cult
@AndrewTaylorJr
@AndrewTaylorJr 6 месяцев назад
​@@jaysandi88If people really pay attention, they realize who thw goat is easily.
@anonymouspersox6626
@anonymouspersox6626 7 месяцев назад
Marz and LOW got robbed ngl
@LowKe870
@LowKe870 4 месяца назад
They got cooked
@howardsmith3181
@howardsmith3181 6 месяцев назад
Jordan did more in less time. I tell you one thing Jordan wouldn't had lost to Dirk with Wade and Bosh in the Finals
@AndrewTaylorJr
@AndrewTaylorJr 6 месяцев назад
FACTS!! Did more in less time. Goat.
@mef2theman
@mef2theman 6 месяцев назад
Jordan would have never let Boris Diaw clamp him in the playoffs either
@xozavi2831
@xozavi2831 5 месяцев назад
Actually he would not jordan is not used to zone defense, and double teaming is different + the 3pt line is at the original spot which thats his weakness and mavs players are just gonna make him shoot the 3pt.
@kamay7021
@kamay7021 5 месяцев назад
⁠​⁠@@xozavi2831why would they make Jordan shoot 3s? They didn’t even make Lebron shoot 3s. He took 4.7 in that series which is about his average for the playoffs that year and actually even less 3s than before it. Jordan has more bag. He’s got footwork, can pull up from the mid range, play in the post. He’s way more skilled, he wouldn’t of had to rely on the 3 ball in that series because he’d be able to generate shots from the midrange (which is what LeBron was forced to take back in the day because he couldn’t shoot)
@Oppenheimer1967
@Oppenheimer1967 5 месяцев назад
@@xozavi2831 MJ Shot 54% Fg in college against unrestricted zones without a defensive 3
@chrisbutler5432
@chrisbutler5432 5 месяцев назад
One is self proclaimed and the other was given the title by his peers
@LD-ed2jv
@LD-ed2jv 4 месяца назад
Facts!!!😇 and that’s so true!
@uknowwhoib9676
@uknowwhoib9676 5 месяцев назад
It took Lebron 3 years just to get to the playoffs and 9 years to get his first ring. MJ made the playoffs every year with the Bulls from his rookie year. And MJ won his first ring in year 7. 😅
@OffJuice
@OffJuice 5 месяцев назад
He lost his first 2 seasons on a terrible cavs team then didn’t miss the playoffs till 2019. He WENT to a finals before Jordan did. Jordan wasn’t even doing anything in the playoffs the losing in the first round 😂.
@Guccimane0713
@Guccimane0713 5 месяцев назад
You give him credit to make the playoffs with a losing record 😂
@uknowwhoib9676
@uknowwhoib9676 5 месяцев назад
@OffJuice Lebron wasnt doing anything in the playoffs but losing. Lmao. He played 21 seasons and manage 4 chips. He never had 1 3peat. THE Ultimate form of dominance for a team is consistency with winning. Lebron consistency comes of short 🤣. But that's your GOAT obviously. Comfortably behind MJ bc MJ did anything Lebron could do on thr court plus had a consistent mid range and long range 2pt jumper and better handles. It's not a comparison.
@uknowwhoib9676
@uknowwhoib9676 5 месяцев назад
@Guccimane0713 Jordan Made the playoffs every year with the Bulls and won chips more than half of his full seasons. What are we talking about?
@Guccimane0713
@Guccimane0713 5 месяцев назад
@@uknowwhoib9676 first 3 years 7th seed 8th seed 8th seed while partially tanking because of their record meanwhile lbj was top 4 seeds from 05-21 think about that for a second
@JoseCruz-JC24Fan
@JoseCruz-JC24Fan 4 месяца назад
There is NO DEBATE MJ IS THE GOAT EVERYONE KNOWS THIS JUST THE BRONSEXUALS FIGHTING FOR LeQUEEN SHAMES ARE THE ONES COMING UP WITH THIS NONSENSE
@patrick05Morgan
@patrick05Morgan 4 месяца назад
8:50 Lebron choking in 2011 wasn’t a chemistry issue it was simply him choking and playing terrible.
@Zion122
@Zion122 4 месяца назад
It was partially a chemistry issue. Wade talked about this on Club Shay Shay.
@patrick05Morgan
@patrick05Morgan 4 месяца назад
@@Zion122 the Miami heat not having a consensus on the pecking order of the team has nothing to do with Lebron not being able to attack a zone and score on jj barea, old Jason Kidd, and Jason terry. Lebron played terribly and it was the biggest meltdown of a superstar in nba history. Just call it like it is you can’t run from it.
@Zion122
@Zion122 4 месяца назад
@@patrick05Morgan ["The Miami heat not having a consensus on the pecking order of the team has nothing to do with Lebron not being able to attack a zone"] It actually does because he was torn between attacking the defense and deferring to Wade, which is why he only averaged 15 FGA. Plus, you can only attack a zone if you're surrounded by floor spacers. Miami's only perimeter threat that series was Mario Chalmers. ["score on jj barea, old Jason Kidd, and Jason terry."] None of the players you listed guarded LeBron for any sizeable chunk of time. Marion was his primary defender. And like you mentioned earlier in the same paragraph, he wasn't guarded by a single Maverick, he was guarded by all 5 players at once.
@ericjordan6059
@ericjordan6059 4 месяца назад
​@@Zion122... Keep that same mind frame when people talk about the slow white boys who always guarded Jordan by themselves during his tenure. As far as that fiasco in Miami, Wade made it clear that LeBron needed the ball in his hands or else he wouldn't be as effective. So what he did was, during the off-season, Wade studied ... Jordan to learn how to better play off the ball so LeBron can control the ball more (LeBron is a weak off the ball offensive player). Wade stated this himself as well.
@Zion122
@Zion122 4 месяца назад
@@ericjordan6059 First of all, what mind frame are you referring to? Second, what evidence do you have that LeBron is a weak off-ball player? What superstar player is better without the ball than with it? I've scoured the internet and watched several interviews in which Wade discussed what went wrong in the 2011 Finals, and not once have I heard him say he studied Jordan to learn how to play better off-ball to account for LeBron's supposed deficiency. Can you provide the source in which he says that?
@kauffamn1016
@kauffamn1016 6 месяцев назад
Laughable debate . Mj clearly a better player than bron.
@MufasaSosa
@MufasaSosa 5 месяцев назад
Nope bron is like far better it’s laughable
@alfasiger4178
@alfasiger4178 5 месяцев назад
Until another player does what Jordan does or better, that is: get 10 scoring titles, 9 all defensive awards, lead the league in steals 3 seasons, get 200 blocks 100 steals in a season (TWICE), lead the league in scoring in regular season, playoffs, and finals (improving performance with each series), and get a higher PER overall, and having a 6-0 record in finals......you are not in the GOAT conversation. And to belittle his competition is to put down all time greats such as Clyde Drexler, Gary Payton, Shawn Kemp, Charles Barkely, Stockton, Malone, Isaiah Thomas, and other good teams in the eastern playoffs.
@yungking1985
@yungking1985 6 месяцев назад
It’s MJ and not close. With MJ all you have to duel is lean on his resume. Lebron fan have hypothetical what if,blame game, emotional narratives and excuses.
@mef2theman
@mef2theman 6 месяцев назад
"Imagine LeBrons stats it he had Scottie Pippen" oh you mean Kevin Love? Or Chris Bosh? Or AD??
@xozavi2831
@xozavi2831 5 месяцев назад
Love isn’t like scottie
@jrs1145
@jrs1145 4 месяца назад
MJ
@ABasedTohan
@ABasedTohan 7 месяцев назад
The trolling on the vote at the end was hilarious, Low and Mars literally rebuttaled everything that Chill was saying and they chose chill 😂😂😂 boul got cooked and got the favoritism vote
@Ghost-rb6cw
@Ghost-rb6cw 7 месяцев назад
Lol like what?
@ABasedTohan
@ABasedTohan 7 месяцев назад
@@Ghost-rb6cw I’ll time stamp it for you when I find time but I’m sure you’ll see the counter punches if you watched it
@martinlutherdaiiireloaded250
@martinlutherdaiiireloaded250 7 месяцев назад
No they did not
@lawisclems4303
@lawisclems4303 7 месяцев назад
@@martinlutherdaiiireloaded250Yes they did, chill got cooked but they chose him either because he was alone or because they’re bron fans
@martinlutherdaiiireloaded250
@martinlutherdaiiireloaded250 7 месяцев назад
@@lawisclems4303 no they didn’t … they both got cooked and kept moving the goal post
@davidstrickland8988
@davidstrickland8988 6 месяцев назад
These guys talking about LeBron stats if he had Scott Pippen. MJ was a dominant before he got Scott.
@yhassenbey
@yhassenbey 6 месяцев назад
Dominant where ????? 1 play off win no season with over 40 wins yall deadass don't know basketball
@xozavi2831
@xozavi2831 5 месяцев назад
He wasn’t he got swept back to back twice
@kamay7021
@kamay7021 5 месяцев назад
@@xozavi2831Depends what dominance means. I’ve heard LeBron is dominant but he has 4 wins in 10 tries and 4 wins in 21 years overall. When exactly did LeBron dominate if winning the chip is what makes you dominant?
@derekjones57257
@derekjones57257 6 месяцев назад
Everyone knows MJ is the goat
@washburn11000
@washburn11000 6 месяцев назад
Literally universally agreed upon...
@dsavage6618
@dsavage6618 6 месяцев назад
Who’s everyone?
@jaysandi88
@jaysandi88 6 месяцев назад
Lmao like I always say… Jordan fans live in delusion…. It’s necessary so they don’t EVER have the thought that someone else is the GOAT 😂😂😂 y’all actually call it blasphemy when someone else is considered the GOAT cue Stephen A. Y’all don’t see the cult signs… lol wild behaviour
@dsavage6618
@dsavage6618 6 месяцев назад
@@jaysandi88 Fr
@tainysanchez6685
@tainysanchez6685 5 месяцев назад
8/10 at least
@swismyid
@swismyid 6 месяцев назад
Lebron 21 years 3 rings 1 bubble ring. The GOAT: 13 years 6 RINGS with TWO THREE PEATS with the SAME TEAM. And side note: you can't find any footage of THE GOAT FLOPPING. Type in Flop in youtube and then hit space bar and Lebrons name shows up LMFAO.
@Jajsnsjsn
@Jajsnsjsn 6 месяцев назад
Jordan played 15 years
@cd2ogz1
@cd2ogz1 5 месяцев назад
​@angelbearfilms6436 jordan played 13 full seasons. 2 seasons he was out due to him breaking his foot his 2nd year in the league and in 95 he only played the last 17 games that season. DO YOUR HOMEWORK!
@Jajsnsjsn
@Jajsnsjsn 5 месяцев назад
@@cd2ogz1 by that lebron has not played a season in a while because he hasn’t played all 82 games. Just because Jordan missed some games it doesn’t take away from the fact that when you look at his career stats it includes 15 seasons.
@cd2ogz1
@cd2ogz1 5 месяцев назад
@@Jajsnsjsn Jordan played a majority of his seasons in FULL! Lebron has not! just cause you on the team roster that season doesn't mean The stats count for 82 games.
@Jajsnsjsn
@Jajsnsjsn 5 месяцев назад
@@cd2ogz1 i know and completely agree. So Jordan played 13 seasons and lebron played 3 seasons by your logic. That is when they play for the complete season. Or Jordan has played 15 and lebron has played 21. But you can’t have 13 and 21 that means you have a double standard
@cashoutabu
@cashoutabu 7 месяцев назад
We live in a generation when yu give Lebron credit for losing but when Mj was losing to great teams in playoffs his early years is a problem
@ethan123-eu7hn
@ethan123-eu7hn 7 месяцев назад
noone actually believes that brings mike down they jus say it to annoy mj meatriders when they say bron making it to 10 finals is a bad thing
@B4dafam
@B4dafam 7 месяцев назад
@@ethan123-eu7hn 10*
@ykg2393
@ykg2393 7 месяцев назад
@@ethan123-eu7hn going to 10 finals and losing the majority is a bad thing for most players lmao. Otherwise Jerry west would be top 10. But once again let’s change the rules jus for the failure that is lebron
@bravobessa3684
@bravobessa3684 7 месяцев назад
​@@ykg2393west the logo is top 15 with only one title. Because he gaved juggernaut in the final his all career. 10 finals plays in favor of all the payer who manage to reach taht many final. And the list is small very small. I personally give more credit to winning it all but not all title are made equal. An upset win has more point. Always. No MJ title rival with 16. His hardest win is vs Payton and Kemp and he did not play taht good and still manage to win. You can't phantom a title where any other of the top 10 win while being bad(Bird 1 thats it)
@ykg2393
@ykg2393 7 месяцев назад
@@bravobessa3684 idiot. I love Jerry west he ain’t top 15. Jordan lebron magic Kareem Duncan bird shaq Hakeem curry Kobe wilt bill Oscar and pick your 15th from kawhi and kd. Jerry west isn’t top 15 because he had opportunities to win a lot and lost a lot instead. You’ll understand more when you’re older lil bro
@TopTierHater
@TopTierHater 7 месяцев назад
chill was 2018 bron in this video😂
@TheLakers81
@TheLakers81 4 месяца назад
There's no debate here. The REAL debate is MJ vs Kobe.
@JosephWilhoit-ef6nl
@JosephWilhoit-ef6nl 4 месяца назад
Dumbest debate in sports mj by 6,354 miles it's not close
@Nazyairsengikar
@Nazyairsengikar 4 месяца назад
Lol it doesn't matter what you think or say. MJ leads LBJ in near all metrics. Yes LBJ is number 1 in total points and in turnovers, and LBJ is number 11 in turnover percentage. Before you argue why; look into it or you are just a fool.
@rodneyroberts7518
@rodneyroberts7518 6 месяцев назад
My guy lost all credibility and respect when the first thing that came out of his mouth was "My glorious king" when talking about another dude. The fuq???
@adrijiyuda
@adrijiyuda 6 месяцев назад
It’s a meme that’s gotten popular but it’s idolatry at its finest
@RyanAustinDean
@RyanAustinDean 4 месяца назад
We don’t talk about Jordan’s hardships enough? The difference is that he confronted and overcame them (Celtics/Pistons/Lakers/Knicks/Jazz) instead of running away from them.
@prajakommera9440
@prajakommera9440 4 месяца назад
Didn’t win a a single match against Celtics
@blackthanos914
@blackthanos914 4 месяца назад
No, they got old lololol. They whipped his ass in their prime
@Vennnnnnnnnn
@Vennnnnnnnnn 5 месяцев назад
Jerry Krause one of the best GMs to ever do it except when MJ left they didn't win anything
@orlandodean1273
@orlandodean1273 4 месяца назад
Jordan is thee GOAT period! You Lebron fans know it also.
@pjspointofview1545
@pjspointofview1545 7 месяцев назад
Lebron Can’t Even Shoot Free Throws
@SportsFluent
@SportsFluent 7 месяцев назад
How does CHILL say Lebron never folded? Dude folded like a cheap suit in 2011.
@KingEmm
@KingEmm 7 месяцев назад
So it was jus Lebron that folded? D Wade nd Bosh didnt fold neither? 🤔
@du2thurl42
@du2thurl42 7 месяцев назад
wade didnt fold bro lmao@@KingEmm
@tkodak4925
@tkodak4925 7 месяцев назад
The problem is thats 1 series and since that 1 series he has played at an all time great level in every series. 8 straight finals winning 4. If KD doesnt go to golden state and kyrie doesnt get hurt he could be at 7 right now
@King_ace22
@King_ace22 7 месяцев назад
​@@tkodak4925we don't know what would have happened if kd didn't go to worriers going off hypotheticals
@sportstalkonly1442
@sportstalkonly1442 7 месяцев назад
And jordan folded in 89
@bryoncarter2204
@bryoncarter2204 6 месяцев назад
These guys continuously discredit Jordan for having Scottie Pippen like Lebron hasn’t played with the most hall of famers in the history of the NBA.
@zilladakid
@zilladakid 6 месяцев назад
But none of them in their prime just because they were great players don’t mean he had them at their most efficient peak
@folkzgetem6400
@folkzgetem6400 6 месяцев назад
Actually it would be Kd
@NoMoreLPCPP-NPA
@NoMoreLPCPP-NPA 6 месяцев назад
@@zilladakid MJ got a rookie 7ppg Scottie Pippen. MJ actually helped Pippen to be great. 4 years of 10-15ppg with horrible fg% before they won in 91. Compare that to having a 1x NBA Champ and FMVP D.Wade 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@dauntewilliams5878
@dauntewilliams5878 6 месяцев назад
Thing is though Jordan's teammates made even conference finals without him how many of brons teammates made the conference finals without him? Even if bron played with the most hof let's not act as IF HE DIDNT FACE THE MOST HOFS IN NBA HISTORY WAY MORE THAN JORDAN
@tainysanchez6685
@tainysanchez6685 5 месяцев назад
@@zilladakidexcuse me ? Wade Bosh Kyrie Kevin love He’s had at least 2 all stars ok each championship team.
@itsadampfs
@itsadampfs 3 месяца назад
Those side comments: “imagine how Lebron’s stats would be if he had Scottie.” 🤦 I swear LBJ had Dwayne Wade, Chris Bosh, Kevin Love, Kyrie Irving, and Anthony Davis!!! The biased, and illogical thought process is uncanny.
@twilitezn
@twilitezn 3 месяца назад
Either TWO things would've happened : (1) Scottie would've handled the ball more, taking away from Lebron's assist totals, AND having Lebron moving more off the ball. (2) Scottie would've become a richer man's Larry Hughes, forced to become a spot up shooter..... On top of that, if Scottie had come into Lebron's squad at the SAME time as MJ's - their 3rd year - he would've NEVER developed and would be a utility player. One other question : HOW does he go to Miami, have the most top tier talent around him, dominate the ball, yet his apg numbers stay the same or go DOWN???
@bmonkus
@bmonkus 3 месяца назад
This all day 👏👏
@officerricky3230
@officerricky3230 7 месяцев назад
No one cares about Jordan LeBron debate in 2023. We’ve all realized that it’s pointless.
@foursup3139
@foursup3139 7 месяцев назад
You literally engaging on a video about Lebron vs MJ
@MarzTalksSports
@MarzTalksSports 7 месяцев назад
its gonna do more numbers than most videos guaranteed
@BabyBreez0
@BabyBreez0 7 месяцев назад
Real bball fans know that this wasn’t ever a real debate to begin with in the first place. Mj has always been way ahead of lbj
@The_hardcore_casual
@The_hardcore_casual 7 месяцев назад
I enjoy the conversation
@johnjovanovichwick4194
@johnjovanovichwick4194 7 месяцев назад
@@HenryDurth no it ain’t cus that b**ch don’t got no argument stop lying
@jordanmontalvo18
@jordanmontalvo18 7 месяцев назад
4 experts is crazy!
@Pseudog831
@Pseudog831 6 месяцев назад
It took Pippen four years after joining the team to become the Scottie Pippen we know today. If LeBron had Pippen, Pip would have been traded to another team by LBJ.
@clintonhernandez9740
@clintonhernandez9740 6 месяцев назад
“My glorious King??” Bro, you are a man talking about another man. Calling him your glorious king?? It just goes to show that these Lebron people are all emotion.
@fx_808
@fx_808 6 месяцев назад
MJ,Kobe,Lebron forever 🫡
@colej6108
@colej6108 7 месяцев назад
That’s wild old dude said “Chicago didn’t win off the strength of just Jordan” but earlier just said “it’s a testament to the greatness of bron that he went to Miami and they expect them to win immediately”… as if d wade wasn’t already there and bron brought bosh with him lmao😂. The thing about lebron fans that kills me is that they don’t look at the whole context of things😂. Bro said when before kyrie and love got with bron they had 0 playoff appearances… bruh they were on literally 2 of the worst teams in the league… if it was bron tho he wouldve mentioned that💀
@rapgodreloaded9259
@rapgodreloaded9259 7 месяцев назад
@colej6108 Lebron fans are hilarious Kyrie and Love were on HOF trajectory without him.
@MileHighBroncosNuggets
@MileHighBroncosNuggets 6 месяцев назад
1. Jordan is 3 inches shorter and 30+ lbs lighter than Lebron yet Bron's never won DPOY and only made an all defensive team 5 times while Jordan won a DPOY and made an all defensive team 9 times, all while playing less seasons 2. Players across the league in the 80s and 90s FEARED Jordan. No NBA player has ever feared Lebron except maybe DeRozan 3. Jordan prevented multiple superstars from winning rings. If mike was never born, Barkley, Stockton, Malone, Ewing and Reggie Miller may all have rings and completely different legacies today. The only thing LeBron prevented was the Pacers, Raptors and Bulls getting swept in the finals by the Spurs and Warriors 4. Jordan gets eliminated by the Pistons three straight years and finally gets over the hump by sweeping them in '91 and the start of a dynasty. LeBron gets eliminated by the Celtics twice in 3 years and gives up and runs to South Beath 5. In the entire history of the NBA there have been 5 threepeats... Jordan has 2 of em... Lebron had a chance to threepeat ONCE but instead got annihilated by Kawhi and 38 yr old Tim Duncan 6. LeBron does not get GOAT points for making the Finals 8 straight years, in other words, he does not get GOAT points because he never lost 4 games to the George/Granger Pacers, DeRozan/Lowry Raptors, Rose/Butler Bulls, Ancient Pierce/ Garnett/Rondo Celtics or Rookie Tatum/Brown Celtics 7. Jordan would of beaten Dirk in 2011, Jordan would of gotten a game or 2 on the Spurs in 2007, Jordan wouldn't have only managed one Finals win in 2014 and Jordan doesn't need to proclaim himself as the GOAT 8. LeBron scored 8 points in a fucking Finals game and was the main reason his team lost a series they were heavily favored in... 9. Paul George admitted on his podcast that playing in the East was much easier than playing in the West and in 2020, there was no Spurs, no GSW, no OKC, the Rockets were dysfunctional, my Nuggets were too young and the Lakers got to avoid playing the Clippers 10. LeBron left the East to go to the Lakers RIGHT BEFORE guys like Giannis, Tatum and Embiid started to take over, he knew his reign in what was once a weak conference wouldn't last much longer In conclusion: Jordan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le4-6
@cooleekbrown1728
@cooleekbrown1728 6 месяцев назад
1.It's almost as though MJ played SG and Lebron played SF.
@mateuszsiedlarz7650
@mateuszsiedlarz7650 6 месяцев назад
thubms up!
@adrijiyuda
@adrijiyuda 6 месяцев назад
Easy work 🐐
@dauntewilliams5878
@dauntewilliams5878 6 месяцев назад
My guy Jordan was a sg he was guarded dudes his size or smaller stop the nonsense
@Oppenheimer1967
@Oppenheimer1967 5 месяцев назад
@@dauntewilliams5878 6’6 220
@nathancarter1082
@nathancarter1082 4 месяца назад
Michael Jordan.... Mike drop.
@ravbeast6827
@ravbeast6827 7 месяцев назад
No hoodie marz feels illegal 😂 , & This man chill-town the oldest one there but in the best shape out of everyone else 😤💪🏾.
@srt392_quay4
@srt392_quay4 7 месяцев назад
2011 FINALS…. That SHII LITERALLY KILLS THAT WHOLE DAMN ARGUMENTS🗣️
@dsavage6618
@dsavage6618 6 месяцев назад
It literally doesn’t….💀🤡What a delusional fan lmao
@Teeyah2
@Teeyah2 4 месяца назад
Every last one of you know the truth... Stop playing.... Stop wishing on a star, hoping and praying in regards to LeBron being the best .... MJ is Tha GOAT Period!! Who did LeBron, Kobe, Steph, .I don't have time to go on and on..... Look up to??? Why does LeBron wear the number 23? It's the way MJ made you feel when you watched him. The same way you all are amazed when you watch the Mixtape. It's a thing of beauty. I luv watching you guys reactions when you discover what my generation lived. I saw him play in person and on tv. It was an exciting time. And thanks to RU-vid we get to watch it over and over. MJ......PERIODT!!!😂😂😂
@cp238
@cp238 4 месяца назад
What sorta dumb ass argument is this 😂😂😂 MJ looked up someone to….that makes whoever mj looked upto the goat.
@bzso9603
@bzso9603 6 месяцев назад
The point about the 2 3-peats that nobody mentions is that MJ did that in just 11 FULL seasons with the Bulls. 6 out of 11 seasons he was a champion. That’s crazy!!
@kirbyaugustine761
@kirbyaugustine761 6 месяцев назад
Lebron’s team stacking tactics every season has cheapened the accomplishment of teams going to the Finals multiple times… let alone repeating. In Jordan’s era most players would play their entire career and never make it to play for a championship… once and yet Lebron cheats the system every year and no one bats an eye. If you mention the 2 3-peats from MJ for 6 championships to Lebron’s 4 then his Stan’s state the fact that he went 10 times attests to Lebron’s greatness not the fact that losing 6 times proves otherwise.
@lankyknite
@lankyknite 6 месяцев назад
Bill Russell won 11 out of 13😂😂While dealing with racism
@kirbyaugustine761
@kirbyaugustine761 6 месяцев назад
@@lankyknite It’s a great record but it gets marginalized because there were only 8 teams in the league at that time.
@Snotboxrocked156
@Snotboxrocked156 6 месяцев назад
Jordan and his TEAM did that. Last time I checked basketball isnt a 1v5.
@Snotboxrocked156
@Snotboxrocked156 6 месяцев назад
​@@kirbyaugustine761 what? 😂😂😂😂11 championship dont get marginalized, and certainly not because there were fewer teams. There are a comprising of games that results in one championship per season, not a multiple of championship per season smh 😂😂😂 yall jordan fans be buggin. U can't marginalized off of 1 of something 😂😂😂.
@Champ.is.Trouble
@Champ.is.Trouble 7 месяцев назад
It’s NARRATIVE with Lebron. It’s GAME with Jordan 🫴🏽🐐
@tkbaku3036
@tkbaku3036 7 месяцев назад
They literally only used narrative with Jordan
@1Buddie.
@1Buddie. 7 месяцев назад
💯‼️
@user-gc1wj8tt2p
@user-gc1wj8tt2p 7 месяцев назад
​@@tkbaku3036jordan never got outplayed by jj barea in the finals or any series for that matter
@tkbaku3036
@tkbaku3036 7 месяцев назад
@@user-gc1wj8tt2p neither did Lebron dummy
@UFunnyLowe
@UFunnyLowe 7 месяцев назад
@@user-gc1wj8tt2pneither did bron, he played a big part for the mavs but to say he outplayed bron is not true
@johnjones7957
@johnjones7957 8 дней назад
Dont say, “Its good Jordan had Scottie. “ Jordan MADE Scottie.
@johnjones7957
@johnjones7957 8 дней назад
Phil Jackson was not an NBA coach before joining the Bulls. He coached in the CBA.
@adamjones3491
@adamjones3491 7 месяцев назад
The chill glaze was OD 😂
@rayray5561
@rayray5561 5 месяцев назад
All chilltown wanted was sympathy for LeBron but he played two other top ten players and only won twice Scottie Pippen was terrible in 98 and was injured Dennis rodman acting crazy and Jordan still won the chip with no excuses and the oldest team in the NBA
@kanius.majoris1869
@kanius.majoris1869 6 месяцев назад
Bragging about showing up in the finals is NOT THE SAME as winning. You PLAY to WIN the CHIP. With that logic the Buffalo Bills showing up and losing the Super Bowl four times in a row are a legendary team. GOH
@chrisjoseph3883
@chrisjoseph3883 7 месяцев назад
Chill didnt beat Marz and LOW.... he just held his own in my opinion.. he brought up a few bad games MJ had but he had nothing to defend against lebron being garbage in playoffs due to his deficiencies
@ralami6183
@ralami6183 6 месяцев назад
I’m a Bron fan but “My Glory Is King” is insane
@Ciscomatic1979
@Ciscomatic1979 4 месяца назад
Dude is delusional as double hockey sticks if he thinks Lebron Defense is even close to Jordan's defense. Dude is Labron Washed.
@msmith8532
@msmith8532 4 месяца назад
Jordan was defend players no where close to the skills that Lebron had to defend
@jdac22
@jdac22 4 месяца назад
@@msmith8532dude that is such a ridiculous argument. It’s wild to me how people push this false narrative about the type of players MJ played against. We’re talking about 90’s basketball. Not bball in the 50’s and 60’s..lol! There’s so many players that’s in the NBA now that were both born in the 80’s and 90’s. So we’re talking about a time that wasn’t that long ago. The fact that people have to resort to demeaning the players MJ played against in order to try to say Bron is better speaks volumes to the magnitude Jordan played. Last, I’ll never understand how anyone can watch MJ play, and then watch Bron and still think Bron is even close to MJ! It’s WILD to me!! 🤯
@Zion122
@Zion122 4 месяца назад
@@jdac22 It's not demeaning to say that players weren't as good then as they are now. It's called evolution.
@Jerrell_Johnson
@Jerrell_Johnson 4 месяца назад
@@Zion122Stop acting like modern players are leaps and bounds above past players because that’s a damn lie. It’s called a fallacy. Stop being influenced by the damn media and think for yourself; do your own research 🔬
@Zion122
@Zion122 4 месяца назад
@@Jerrell_Johnson I have done my research. It tells me the game is more accessible, there are higher financial incentives for pursuing a career in the sport, sports science is more advanced, there's an abundance of youth development programs, analytics and defensive schemes are more in-depth than ever, international talent is at its peak, and scoring, ball handling, shooting, and pace are at all-time highs.
@stevelo2057
@stevelo2057 2 месяца назад
LeBron delivered 4 championships, 4 FMVP, 4 MVP, 1 Scoring title, 1 Assist title in 20 seasons, great player. Jordan delivered 6 championships, 2 3peats, 6 FMVP, 5 MVP, 1 DPOY, 10 Scoring titles, 3 Steal titles in 15 seasons, better than great player. Jordan almost retired 5 seasons in his prime, LeBron still behind the accolades.... No excuse
@ouchh35
@ouchh35 2 месяца назад
how many all nbas? how many finals appearances? how many points? how many assists?
@adriantufts945
@adriantufts945 2 месяца назад
Done
@stevelo2057
@stevelo2057 2 месяца назад
@@ouchh35 Final- 5-0 is better than 4-6, we are saying Jordan 6-0 vs LeBron 4-6. All NBA first team- Jordan 10/15 (which included 85/86 injuries who almost missed whole season and 94/95 back from baseball only played 17 games), LeBron 13/20. All defensive first team- Jordan 9/15, LeBron 5/20 LeBron play Point Forward 7.4 APG, Jordan SG 5.3 APG (Jordan as PG during 24 games in 1989 10.7 APG). If LeBron is your goat simply because he plays more seasons? That’s fine, it’s your opinion. I am choosing the winners who leads the team twice 3peat/dynasty and more accolades in whole career as my goat. (Remember, Jordan almost retired 5 seasons in his prime, it’s not excuses for Jordan. But LeBron has all the advantages to win more accolades, but he didn’t)
@ouchh35
@ouchh35 2 месяца назад
losing earlier in the playoffs is clearly better than getting to the finals and losing. why didnt lebron lose in the 2nd round the 6th times he got to the finals and lost. his legacy would be so much better!@@stevelo2057 the other way of looking at it is lebron played for the trophy 10/20 years, winning 4. Jordan played for it 6/15 years, winning 6.
@chrisyeazel9915
@chrisyeazel9915 2 месяца назад
@@ouchh35 Jordan’s early playoff losses were against either the eventual champions or finals loser.
@jay_mel_2399
@jay_mel_2399 4 месяца назад
One of the dudes arguing in Lebrons favor is wearing Air Jordans, i rest my case lol
@noyce.
@noyce. 3 месяца назад
Those are nice shoes, you can't help it 🤣 However that's a stretch, I doubt it's a case for a fashion footwear vs. Basketball if so it'll help the other side, you don't want that The Nike Air Zoom LeBron IV is #1 most sold BASKETBALL shoes (Thanks to China) Adidas T-Mac 6 is #2 (Thanks to China....) Air Jordan 21 #3 Converse Wade Playoff #4 Nike Zoom Kobe 1 #5
@YoHairNappyLikePamMedia
@YoHairNappyLikePamMedia 6 месяцев назад
The fact that yall use that” before pippen “ argument like Jordan didn’t only play 2 full seasons before pip got there is wild
@abnerallen2334
@abnerallen2334 6 месяцев назад
Even when he got there they still got tossed in the ecf 3x in a row to Detroit. He had to complain to David Stern about fouls. Just like what yall tryna clown LeBron for doing rn, MJ did it first. He was the original Crybaby 😂😂
@YoHairNappyLikePamMedia
@YoHairNappyLikePamMedia 6 месяцев назад
@@abnerallen2334 so you’re making my point…pippen wasn’t the savior…so if that’ was your purpose you did one helluva job. And saying Jordan complaining to the refs is like LeBron complaining to them is just the absolute dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. Basketball is not football….Jordan got mauled by the pistons…they put that man in wrestling moves….he should have complained! Who tf wants to get tackled for going to the hole! You’re not even making sense comparing flopping LeBron to Jordan getting head locked. They beat Jordan tf up and everyone that watched those games saw that so yea….anybody in their right mind would complain
@abnerallen2334
@abnerallen2334 6 месяцев назад
@@YoHairNappyLikePamMedia LeBron only flops bc when he first came into the league as an 18 yr old he bullied everyone. Just look it up, there's a whole compilation of him man handling everyone in the league. Even in Game 7 of the 2018 ecf, Marcus Morris yanked him from behind on that last fast break and he still finished and one bc he that strong. If thats MJ he getting his shit yanked down. And this isn't just the case for Bron, its literally a fact. Guards tend to get more foul calls than Big guys bc of strength. And Bron early in his career couldn't pay a ref to call a foul for him.
@abnerallen2334
@abnerallen2334 6 месяцев назад
@@YoHairNappyLikePamMedia also MJ is 1-9 in playoff games without Pippen, or Phil Jackson. The real reason he won is bc of Phil if we being honest. He didn't win any before, and none after, same with Kobe. Phil has 11 rings, 5 without MJ, 6 without Kobe, 8 without Shaq. How many does Spoelstra, Lue, or Vogel have without Bron, ZERO
@kamay7021
@kamay7021 5 месяцев назад
⁠​⁠​⁠@@abnerallen23341-9 isn’t so bad when you realize you’re talking about the first 3 years of his career going against 60 win teams. How many series did LeBron win against 50 win teams in the entirety of his first Cleveland run?
@stonecolescoe9699
@stonecolescoe9699 7 месяцев назад
Lmao dub feet not touching the ground is insane
@tichmundondo3956
@tichmundondo3956 5 месяцев назад
Playing for longer means nothing if you don't win,for the NBA to go global it was Jordan, he was the most complete player ever to step on the court,I am 55yrs old watched for 30yrs I have yet to see a player as complete,stats alone or how long you play mean nothing it's what you win at the end of the day,LeBron is a great player but not complete in that we know his weaknesses on the court Jordan had none,in Football Messi is the Goat because his a complete player with no weaknesses,natural talent shines if you're the Goat.
@RyanAustinDean
@RyanAustinDean 4 месяца назад
LOL… Seasoned gent on the left tried to say that Jordan had a great squad around him and then used JOHN PAXSON and CLIFF LEVINGSTON as examples. 😂 They averaged 7/1/3 and 7/5/1 over the course of their careers. Jordan forever the 🐐
@DS9megafan
@DS9megafan 4 месяца назад
I wish I could get my 41 minutes back…
@ericjordan6059
@ericjordan6059 4 месяца назад
I watched 3 minutes and cut it.
@jamesgarde8495
@jamesgarde8495 4 месяца назад
JORDAN & KOBE & LEONARD OVER LEBRON.
@amdude1015
@amdude1015 4 месяца назад
Leonard? 😂😂
@torreywallace1494
@torreywallace1494 7 месяцев назад
All goats get the blame when they team lose. But to act lik the cavaliers between 08 to 10 is trash is ridiculous frfr.
@smbenga2
@smbenga2 7 месяцев назад
You wouldn’t say that if Lebron wasn’t on the team. The Cavs were horribly run and horribly put together. That front office actively avoided building around Lebron properly which is shown by, if nothing else, them refusing to acquire Stoudemire who was still a legitimate star. It would have rounded out that 09/10 team which was the closest they’d been to having a legitimate contending roster, and would have shown commitment to Lebron, which they obviously didn’t have
@Slyme1big
@Slyme1big 7 месяцев назад
@@smbenga2 the team would’ve been built around someone else instead of lebron. Lebron teams are built for him and ONLY him once he leaves you have a bunch of pieces that don’t work and lebron has drained all the team resources making them horrible for years to come. Of course they suck but when lebron leaves 😂 his team his system see Miami didn’t let lebron drain all their resources and they didn’t fall of a cliff because they maintained resources.
@torreywallace1494
@torreywallace1494 7 месяцев назад
@@smbenga2 yall keep saying they were a bad put together team. When I remember vividly they were preseason favorites every year to be 100 especially 08 thru 10 those guys was 60 win team. Yall didn't live and watch that shit. Moe delonte lebron jj Hickson ilgauskas were balling as a unit. Nobody can't convince me 60 win and 66 win teams were trash. Yall most likely kids who didn't grow up watching it yall going by narratives because LeBron lost. Gtfoh. I would wish like Hell my PG and SG can give me 40 any given night. Derek fisher wasn't doing no shit like tha or Sasha vujacic.
@donaldf9055
@donaldf9055 7 месяцев назад
​@@torreywallace1494they weren't the fav to beat the Celtics. And in 09, bron played up to par, his teammates just sucked.
@20k200
@20k200 7 месяцев назад
@@smbenga2dude there’s worse players who fit better around Lebron. Stoudamire’s floor spacing was not enough of a strength in his game to push the needle as a great fit for Lebron.
@carltonbanks7880
@carltonbanks7880 6 месяцев назад
They let chill talk for 40 minutes and everyone glazed, hilarious
@juggbot4572
@juggbot4572 7 месяцев назад
This format was cool asf. Thank y’all for constantly working so hard and being so creative
@etherionoon
@etherionoon 5 месяцев назад
LOW AND MARZ COOKED CHILL. Lebron lows are so bad is nothing but excuses because they need them to keep up with a Jordan argument
@MufasaSosa
@MufasaSosa 5 месяцев назад
They didn’t there rhetoric was terrible
@Swaggattack71
@Swaggattack71 6 месяцев назад
Jordan’s career is bulletproof. Won everything, did everything, had great teammates, drafted to a great organization. Lebron is my goat but MJs resume is just too strong. Unless you era tax him which may or may not be unfair there’s no real argument.
@jaysandi88
@jaysandi88 6 месяцев назад
That’s the kind of thinking that stops real debate… it’s not bulletproof… MJ failed… a lot… so did everyone else… he won a lot too like everyone else… Lebron is better than MJ because his career arc is more impressive… much harder circumstances. And still prevailed. MJ struggled early, Chicago finally got their act together and gave him what he needed every time he needed it… and his greatness took over.
@uknowwhoib9676
@uknowwhoib9676 5 месяцев назад
@sportsbanter6359 MJ didnt fail more than Lebron and never as epically as Lebron in the finals against Dallas. Also the bulls were a shit organization before MJ. MJ made the bulls appear as a great organization because of his Greatness. All you have to do is watch the last dance and you will see the bulls were shit before MJ.
@uknowwhoib9676
@uknowwhoib9676 5 месяцев назад
MJ career is bullet proof, and the era was more tough to play in as a baller. Way more physical and mentally taxing. Dudes now fly on jets and play less back to backs.
@jaysandi88
@jaysandi88 5 месяцев назад
@@uknowwhoib9676 MJ was on the bulls 4 years without Scottie Phil and Tex… you know what he won in those years… 1 3 game playoff series. He did not make the Bulls a better organisation. Infact in all but one of those 4 years he had a winning record… 0.5 so not really. MJ was swept in the first round twice 😂😂😂 is that not a fail? Oh it’s different cause it wasn’t in the finals right? So you’re beating on Lebron for losing to only one team (the best team) that year… y’all Goophy’s bro… the guy made the finals at 22!!!! With a scrub team!!! What was MJ doing in his fourth year?
@Ejenkins814
@Ejenkins814 7 месяцев назад
The Jordan team won that with ease
@roedelrivera5353
@roedelrivera5353 7 месяцев назад
Cause it isn't even a debate, like lebron's not close.
@SummerAwe99
@SummerAwe99 7 месяцев назад
1. These guys aren’t experts. 2. You can’t be an expert on an opinion. 3. The majority of people on online forums frothing MJ never even saw him play and just follow what they hear. 0 organic thoughts.
@lilverson1333
@lilverson1333 7 месяцев назад
as someone who watched his games from RU-vid and watched LeBron live.. MJ is better LeBron puts up better numbers of course cause he’s that gifted but MJ with those dominant stats he had during a 10 year span hasn’t been done by any player since.
@SummerAwe99
@SummerAwe99 7 месяцев назад
@@lilverson1333 but that’s your opinion… I look at more than just scoring.
@WRLdPeAcE96
@WRLdPeAcE96 7 месяцев назад
@@SummerAwe996-0 vs 4-6 🤡🤡
@Winorgohome58
@Winorgohome58 7 месяцев назад
@@WRLdPeAcE96team accomplishments 😢😢
@Winorgohome58
@Winorgohome58 7 месяцев назад
@@WRLdPeAcE96Jordan still the goat jus find a better argument.
@NBSTVMIR
@NBSTVMIR 7 месяцев назад
The LeBron James idolization is crazy… “my glorious king” is crazy, go find ya dad man .
@ozzee5094
@ozzee5094 7 месяцев назад
Dude on his knees literally like a goofy
@chandlerberry5529
@chandlerberry5529 7 месяцев назад
In no way shape or form did chill win this argument, for everything he said marz and low had a better counterpoint 🤨
@damonlillard3097
@damonlillard3097 7 месяцев назад
Chill sounds drunk. None of us care about his hype.. Or expectations. Did you do it or not? LeBron leaves every time he has to try. No Khiry, no Ray... No Dwayne.... He has one ring. America.... The left side of the screen is wrong. Completely. The two guys on the right are who you should listen to. Jerry Krause?? Phil Jackson? Are you good enough... Or not? Leave... Build a team... Leave build a team. Davis, Save me. Ray, save me, Khiry, save me...🤦🏾‍♂️
@KANEDAMU
@KANEDAMU 7 месяцев назад
We failed the youth. When they can't even do simple math lebron LOST MORE AND WON LESS. and had more time to help this but he can't because he's not better. 21 years is wild. He ain't never even 3 peat ounce.
@atribecalledlen3567
@atribecalledlen3567 7 месяцев назад
He was just getting votes for carrying j rob
@KANEDAMU
@KANEDAMU 7 месяцев назад
We need ticket to cook chill. This old head capping. He just gave up on truth. And got deceived. In his heart he don't feel that way. He just got swayed by the media. Some old heads this has happened to. I think they got a weak Jean that made them give into the foolishness but most old heads didn't get tricked. It's mad of us out here. That panel is full of all people who thought chill won. Nobody gone talk about how weird. It was. Chill kept glossing over to many loses and failures and saying media talking points. Chill is a old head swayed.
@mrblend
@mrblend 4 месяца назад
MJ Easy GOAT. Lotta ppl confusing Best with Great.
@lmnoph
@lmnoph 4 месяца назад
Mj is better at basketball as well
@justinww6456
@justinww6456 6 месяцев назад
I can believe people actually believe LeBron James even in the same room as Mike
@JayRicoche
@JayRicoche 6 месяцев назад
Americans should understand most of the world haven't seen much of MJ. So our favorite players would be Kobe, Shaq and LeBron.
@richprokop5155
@richprokop5155 6 месяцев назад
​@@902barrowLeCHOKE 6 TIME FINALS ASS KICKING... 6 TIMES... DAMN..
@ssaribay
@ssaribay 6 месяцев назад
Lebron ain’t even better than kobe
@ericamattox519
@ericamattox519 5 месяцев назад
They don't just proves they don't know shit they watched a nigga lose his whole career build superteams and still lose And celebrating a bum who's lost more finals then he won got swept twice and beaten by the biggest margin in finals history with a super team this shit is 2 funny
@sanno8909
@sanno8909 5 месяцев назад
Jordan is the Goat Jordan don’t choke on the championship
@Jcage22
@Jcage22 3 месяца назад
im convinced Lebron James defenders are flat earthers
@biz09ification
@biz09ification 5 месяцев назад
Bro lost the moment he said "my glorious king"😂.
@BouchIsOnTheLoose702
@BouchIsOnTheLoose702 4 месяца назад
MJ vs LBJ 1) LBJ - 7.5 Rebounds 2) LBJ - 7.3 Assists 3) LBJ - Most Points - shy of 4000 (most ever) 4) MJ - 10-1 in Scoring Titles 5) LBJ - Most Olympic Medals - 3 6) LBJ & MJ - Rookie of the Year 2003/04 & 1984/85 7) MJ - Highest Points Per Game - 1986/87 - 37.1 pts 8) MJ - Highest Points Per Game - Playoffs - 33.4 pts 9) MJ - 3 Times Steals Champion 10) MJ - 1987/88 Defensive Player of the Year 11) MJ - Highest Points Per Game For Career - 30.1 12) MJ - Most Championships 6-4 13) MJ - Finals MVPs Award 6-4 14) MJ - Regular Season MVPs 5-4 15) LBJ - Seasons 21-15
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