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This 3 Body Problem scene was subtly terrifying. Mike Evans (Jonathan Pryce) tells the San Ti that humans lie which scares them off, to which their reaction honestly almost scares us off 😬
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Across continents and decades, five brilliant friends make earth-shattering discoveries as the laws of science unravel and an existential threat emerges.

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@jaehoony88 5 месяцев назад

This was a legit scary moment. If they just don't like you or don't agree with you, you can talk it out. When they are afraid of you, there's no convincing.

@_martian101 5 месяцев назад

It's actually give humanity hope as Santi no longer protect their followers and willing to share their plan with the entire world

@a.barker7792 5 месяцев назад

It's a wonderful line in the sand they will not cross. BUT, somehow they did. When they contact ones that will do it to save humanity.

@Antoxxxxxa57 5 месяцев назад

And at that moment he knew, he f*ked up

@NRV0 5 месяцев назад

To tell someone you're a liar is the stupidest thing you can do. He was to open with these aliens and that cost him dearly.

@boss_niko 5 месяцев назад

Why would he even tell them that humans lie?. What a noob he is.

@Sweet_Karma 5 месяцев назад

The San Ti don't lie but they do deceive. The original San Ti pacifist receiver, said no not respond which means the intention was always hostile. Perhaps enslavement was the original plan, but the Red Riding Hood story turned it from hostile intentions to eradication 💀

@anthonyharris483 5 месяцев назад

Like when a boxer gets that first punch to the head by Mike Tyson🤣

@colinadams5419 5 месяцев назад

@@NRV0 This scene came off a little differently in the books, it was actually a reaffirmation of the aliens needing Mike's organization to help them defeat humanity. Humanity was fucked when the aliens found out where earth was in the first place, they never intended to come in peace. These aliens don't even know what lying is, they shouldn't even have a concept of trust or mistrust because why would you need it when you cannot lie? So here instead of the aliens being like "fuck you lying ass humans" it was more like "oh shit we can't underestimate you lying ass humans, tell us more." So it was actually kind of a power play for Mike and not like how he came off as weak in this scene

@sebastienjurkowski 5 месяцев назад

During that little pause, the san ti changed their entire plan, scrapping the coexisting one for the conquering one. That pause is the time it took for them to iterate through all scenarios possible and make a decision that will dictate the next 400 years

@K41Z3RR 5 месяцев назад

I'm not sure their original plan was to coexist with humans. It seems that the San-Ti only wanted to have contact with a small group of human supporters so that the conquest of Earth would go smoothly. As a result of this dialogue, the San Ti realized that they could not trust people, and therefore they should not conduct intelligence work on Earth with the participation of people.

@KITN._.8 5 месяцев назад

So I’m a little confused, were the San Tei really planning on co-existing? When they first replied to the radio broadcast one of the San Tei stated “you’re lucky im a pacifist” “if you respond your planet is fucked” “do not respond” So is it really fair to say that they wanted to actually co exist? Or did they plan letting only a few humans lives?

@JamesGraydon 5 месяцев назад

NO they were never planning co-exist. The Santi were lieing, per the transmission. Additionally, they were lying about being a hive mind. @KITN._.8

@aydenmcfly1362 5 месяцев назад

This is up to individual interpretation. Sadly there's no definitive answer however my interpretation is that they definitely were not planning on co existing

@ParabolicGains 5 месяцев назад

How? The first message warned Ye Wenjie that they would invade if she replied. Decades prior to this scene. (FYI: still finishing 3rd book so haven't watched the series :()

@giantWario 5 месяцев назад

People in the comments really don't seem to get it, the point of this scene was never that the San Ti don't understand the concept of lying or that they never lie themselves. It's that they normally don't have to fear lies since they can all read each others mind. A San Ti can never directly lie to another San Ti. What scared them isn't that Mike lied, it's that they couldn't tell that Mike was lying to them until he told them.

@GewalfofWivia 5 месяцев назад

The concept of lying never existed in their society because of the species-wide inability to lie.

@arguewithmepodcast 5 месяцев назад

Mike wasn't lying. I think they really didn't consider lying because they can't lie for the reason you said.

@bztube888 5 месяцев назад

According to the scene, they don't understand metaphors or abstractions, but I think it's unrealistic, as abstraction is a critical element of any intelligence. Even natural numbers like 3 are abstractions: 3 doesn't exist in the real but exists as a representation of all groups of 3 from anything. Similarly all mathematics, scientific model, etc. are abstractions. What you say makes more sense.

@ancientgammoner6961 5 месяцев назад

How do they read each others minds when communicating remotely?

@rogerhill9559 5 месяцев назад

@@ancientgammoner6961 It's been more than 5 years since I read the books but from what I remember they CAN lie over distance using technological communication. However it's one of the biggest taboos in their society so they never do. Being a liar is equivalent to being a murderer.

@cbuchner1 5 месяцев назад

That‘s when he should have introduced them to the concept of fiction in literature and recommended they open a Kindle account. Missed business opportunity.

@colinadams5419 5 месяцев назад

Ye Wenje's true crime was giving the capitalists another market to expand to smh

@ZhangK71 5 месяцев назад

Maybe I’m over-analyzing and being too literal, but why would a Kindle account be business for him? Is the actor or character connected with Amazon in any way?

@cbuchner1 5 месяцев назад

the amazon part was a joke. But sophons would have access to electronically stored media, right? So no need for an account.

@user-mf8ok2if3w 5 месяцев назад

In their world, Amazon doesnt exist, because Netflix, who produce the serie, is the all seeing eye 😂

@Pierce1996h 5 месяцев назад

Lol if you read the books you are gonna be very happy. Something kind of close happens to this(revealed to have happened). Not sure if it's in the third or fourth book but that's really cool

@qscott777 5 месяцев назад

"See that's why you need us." Smooth move. First thing the dude does when it learns about lies is to demonstrate manipulation instead of the beauty of fiction and imagination. 🤦‍♂️

@KITN._.8 5 месяцев назад

Exactly, he sounded like an abusive boy friend lmao. Instead of explaining fiction and child literature he seemed like a wolf himself. Which honestly the fact that humans have literature warning about liars might be enough for the San Tei to say fuck that but still.

@geeksaurusrex 5 месяцев назад

Later on the trisolarans do admit that abandoning the ETO was a mistake

@richietozier7091 5 месяцев назад

He could have just said “stories aren’t lies, they’re hypothetical situations we create to impart lessons” but no

@geeksaurusrex 5 месяцев назад

@@richietozier7091 the problem is that they didn’t realize he was being hypothetical, so he could be hypothetical anytime he’d like. They would have immediately prefaced any hypothetical with the statement “this is hypothetical: ______”

@percivaldarkus3537 5 месяцев назад

@@richietozier7091 yo lo hubiera explicado como una necesidad evolutiva, citando la historia de "el principito" como el niño fue a la luna... eso es completamente ridículo e imposible, pero con el nivel de tecnología era imposible saberlo, pero gracias a eso se inspiraron otros como Julio Verne que nos brindaron una forma "un poco" mas lógica de lograrlo, y así el concepto evoluciono hasta tener los cohetes y las entenas que nos permitieron contactarlos tardo siglos... pero al final la mentira se volvió realidad ustedes no lo entienden por que sus mentes siempre están conectadas y viven mucho... nosotros tardamos mucho mas

@ChrisOffner 5 месяцев назад

My favourite scene in the entire season, and the only one that truly evoked the sense of dread in the books. I hope we get more of that in season 2.

@Atarashifatan 5 месяцев назад

yeah agree, the tencent series is great, but 30 episodes for 1 book is way way too long Netflix series is also great, but 5 episodes for 1 book is too rushed, the books is filled with terror, dread, wtf moment. but sadly this is probably the only scene in the netflix version that has that sense of dread, hoping season 2 has more. especially considering the 2nd and 3rd books is way more crazy

@snowflakedsoul 5 месяцев назад

@@Atarashifatanwait there's another series? Where can I watch it?

@Kj99x 5 месяцев назад

Also the scene where ya wenji sends the reply signal to the sun

@Mirage475 5 месяцев назад

Idk I still love the you are bugs and universe blinking scene.

@21thetruthhurts 5 месяцев назад

@@snowflakedsouli watched it on Peacock a few weeks ago

@Kj99x 5 месяцев назад

how I fumble when rizzing a baddie

@getmoneybpt 5 месяцев назад

Better to say less

@IshiiShiro8964 5 месяцев назад

Fumbled so hard it doomed humanity 💀

@_Yombo 5 месяцев назад

@@IshiiShiro8964It's so Joever

@aakarshan4644 5 месяцев назад

🤣🤣🤣🤣

@amiciprocul8501 5 месяцев назад

"Me and my girlfriends must consider this."

@jackhallander6706 5 месяцев назад

The symbolism in this scene is pretty brilliant to me. The story they chose isn’t just a throwaway. Little Red Riding Hood had no anxiety about the world she inhabited, and it became her downfall. She was safe in her domain, and never feared the predators that might lurk in the forest. Imagine a species that only has existential anxiety and dread over their planet’s capacity to kill them. We cannot even hope to understand what being “afraid” means for a species like that.

@PlasmaCoolantLeak 4 месяца назад

Interesting. We have things on this planet (violent weather, earthquakes, predatory and venomous species, dangerous plants, extreme environments, and devices and substances we create and use that can that can kill, accidentally or intentionally, including thermonuclear weapons) and yet we just go along, live our lives, and either hope for the best or prepare/attempt to protect ourselves.

@chaimgevaldik1918 5 месяцев назад

Little red riding hood is the sole reason why these aliens will wipe us out instead of co-exist! LOL

@niltonsantos6790 5 месяцев назад

Their co-exist involves ruling over us and making us cannibalize on each other to don't destroy the ecosystem.

@colinadams5419 5 месяцев назад

no lol they never had peaceful intentions. dont wanna spoil the books but aliens co-existing is un-heard-of in the 3-body problem universe

@Boyonfire107 5 месяцев назад

They literally said we will conquer. Your world when ye wenji got the signal.

@sicongli6594 5 месяцев назад

They wanted to invade and eliminate humans from the get go. This scene is just when they decide to also dump their earthling followers

@iamFSRL 5 месяцев назад

@@sicongli6594this

@Yuiiski- 5 месяцев назад

This one conversation doomed humanity.

@ohdahngboi_2237 5 месяцев назад

not really, that would be Ye's fault for messaging the trisolaran in the first place

@overlordbrandon 5 месяцев назад

I think this could go on, you can blame the higher dimensions to evaporate theirs or their universe itself making this possible "This one move doomed [X]! Civilization hated this! Click to learn more!"

@emperortimeo6467 5 месяцев назад

Not exactly, the San Ti would’ve found out eventually even without Mike. He just gave them a head start on their next course of action

@AntiTheBird 4 месяца назад

Honestly this convo saved humanity, without it the sophons would have just kept protecting the eto and no one would have found out there was an invasion coming in the first place and they woulda killed us all.

@gioilcreatore3547 4 месяца назад

No, the San Ti wanted to destroy humankind since the beginning. They maybe considered to use some humans like Evans to facilitate the job, but in the end they never wanted to share the planet.

@Kaleidos2007 5 месяцев назад

That's what happens when you abandon the Faith of the Seven and start embracing some alien overlord shit.

@tomhanks1769 5 месяцев назад

He had anthropomorphized them too much, he had started to talk to them like they were a human, they didn't understand context of what he was talking about "It's a lie about a liar?" He should have strongly denied there, they clearly lacked context and he didn't catch on it. 😑

@sagar3455 4 месяца назад

yes

@mithilbhoras5951 5 месяцев назад

Man, while watching this I did not see it coming how important this scene was gonna be. The slow realisation, the brief pauses, the uncertainty... it was like a silent but horrifying crescendo reaching a peak.

@Faltery 4 месяца назад

First episodes were great... atmosphere of suspension, some sort of feeling that on the other side of this communication device is something so different and emotionless that one word can make this contact dangerous. However last 4 episodes of Season1 were horrible and I felt like I watch US made "Armageddon" movie. Poor SF show. Netflix can destroy every single series in the world.

@pawany4172 4 месяца назад

My lord?? *Message delivered and seen*

@andrewlim9345 5 месяцев назад

High Sparrow getting caught in a snare.

@wshyangify 5 месяцев назад

Lol good one I thought I found that religious fanatic vibe familiar with this actor

@ll_Assassino_ll 5 месяцев назад

I think he would’ve been alright if he explained that lies are meant to deceive whereas stories are meant to educate or entertain.

@Tristyn_Waterman 5 месяцев назад

That's even scarier to them. To them, lying is completely inconceivable. But here are humans, who not only can lie, but we do it on a regular basis and are so familiar with it, that we lie *recreationally* and think nothing of it

@bztube888 5 месяцев назад

He could have tried to do some explanation there. Saying that the wolf in fact exists, not as an animal but as a metaphor representing all liars, and the story is not a lie, on the contrary, it describes the true nature of all deceptions in the real world. He could have tried, but I think it was done by the push of that button, decades ago.

@TedTed-xh1ys 4 месяца назад

@Tristyn_Waterman others have explained this in more depth, but they clearly understand what lying is. But they speak as thought, so they can always tell when another is lying and thus they never do it. They couldn't tell he was lying and that's what scared them. Until this moment they assumed he spoke as soon as he thought, as they do, and only now they realized humans formulate thought & speech separately.

@Tristyn_Waterman 4 месяца назад

@@TedTed-xh1ys yes i know. Perhaps I shouldn't have used the word "inconceivable." What I meant is that they fundamentally do not have the ability to do so and can not fully comprehend what it means to communicate something that is not factually true, until this scene where they learn. I don't think your description is quite accurate, they can't lie per se, I think they could communicate falsehoods to one another, but it would be very clear they are communicating something false and not ever even able to give the impression otherwise.

@easticon5637 5 месяцев назад

Reading a fairy-tale?? Should have read Machiavelli instead! That would have made them crap their pants and do a 180!

@Elsannalita_99 5 месяцев назад

😂

@MrzxSnipe 5 месяцев назад

The moment everything went wrong 😂

@therearenoshortcuts9868 5 месяцев назад

netflix arcane music: "... and that's when every-thing went wrong~~"

@muhammadarifbillah984 5 месяцев назад

oh it went wrong a long time ago, they just realize it now.

@gioilcreatore3547 4 месяца назад

No, San Ti always intended to wipe out humanity, this conversation didn't change much.

@arthurbrax6561 5 месяцев назад

San Ti can't lie because of the way they communicate. don't want to spoil anything but when you realize how they communicate the concept of lying is impossible. only thing that never made sense in the book is that the San Ti can travel through space so they could have easily just left their own chaotic solar system and searched for another stable one.

@jimog6595 5 месяцев назад

i don't think finding a habitable world they can use is as easy as you think. they would need to deal with the world's current inhabitant's, the distance would be ridiculously far, even for the closest star system to them which is us. they would also need to pinpoint a location out of hundreds of billions of stars. even as an advanced race the sheer size of the universe provides major setbacks. and thats not even starting on the possible consequences of interstellar travel, avoiding objects floating in space. sending all those resources to another planet is a huge gamble. SPOILERS: remember that using gravity drives in the 3rd book also creates a permanent mark on the fabric of spacetime that other civilisations could potentially see, creating more danger for the santi cos of the dark forest theory

@mrp1kles 5 месяцев назад

Traveling through a dark forest is much worse of a decision.

@Tristyn_Waterman 5 месяцев назад

It took a lot of resources and time just to make four sophons that only arrived in our solar system a few months ago even though they knew about earth for ~50 years. They can't exactly just throw them all over the universe searching for planets. And if they use non-sophon methods like probes or ships to search, it would take a very long time to get to a star and then send word back. Actually, we can't even assume they *haven't* been searching already

@aydenmcfly1362 5 месяцев назад

Yeah what the books try and convey is that quick thinking and decision making is what allowed the tri solarans to do the proton thing and make a fleet to save the planet and it was realized that they couldn't save everyone so it was like sending out an ark

@ohdahngboi_2237 5 месяцев назад

they have little resources to spare for their interstellar fleet, they knew our system existed but were hesitant on jumping ship to a new home on the premise that they could be wrong . however once Ye messaged their system that just gave the green light to send their fleet to earth for colonization

@antonycharnock2993 5 месяцев назад

Hang on. I never understood how the Santi didn't know about human literature. The Sophons probably had access to the entirety of human knowledge but they don't know about the concept of telling a story and lying. Surely they knew that humans didn't share thoughts like the Santi do. Most life depends on some form of deception for survival.

@ElZilchoYo 5 месяцев назад

At this point in the story the sophons had only been there for 4 months and were either fucking up science projects or talking to evans, it's actually later in the books that they start consuming literature, at this point they're much more into examining human biology and technology level etc.

@Tristyn_Waterman 5 месяцев назад

They didn't know thought was occuring inside our heads. In the books, this conversation begins when they ask Evans what the difference is between the words "think" and "say". At first they argue thay their method of communication is better, because their thoughts are displayed on their body and can be seen across long distances instantly, but humans have to waste time forming words. Then afterwards they understand that humans hide their thoughts

@geeksaurusrex 5 месяцев назад

When their culture does start to consume human literature, at first only the most rudimentary of children’s stories are barely understood by their brightest. Something like actual adult literature would be incomprehensible. Like trying to get the smartest 5 year old to understand string theory

@LCTesla Месяц назад

man doomed humanity by not explaining the distinction between fiction and a lie

@Gnipify 5 месяцев назад

This explains how their million-man calculator works. All it took was one jerk to mess up the entire thing.

@sappho7278 6 дней назад

one of my favorite scenes from the book... love how it was adapted

@jamesmansbridge5330 День назад

The drawback was not about telling the SanTi about the concept of lying,it is rather he taught the SanTi to becoming cynical in dealing with people.

@joem4585 5 месяцев назад

"I knew I should've read them The Hobbit"

@Hawk_of_Battle 24 дня назад

Oh yeah I'm sure Riddles in the Dark would have gone much more smoothly...

@elliuse5082 5 месяцев назад

My girl was PLOTTING for decades! only for this old man to ruin everything! I'd be sick to my stomach!

@deadmanslastwish 4 месяца назад

I mean they woulda found out eventually anyways. If they found out about the concept of "lie" after arriving on earth it would be even worse because it would have left humanity with no time to come up with a defense.

@fxturist8534 2 месяца назад

@@deadmanslastwish nah they would still arrive after 400 years which would give enough time to get even stronger (that's the reason why san-ti "stopped" science on earth and said that this would be their funeral procession)

@akiraperu1 5 месяцев назад

You had one job mike!

@Lagspikee 5 месяцев назад

San-Ti: *Builds an entire virtual reality game where the player has an alias* Also San-Ti: "A liar cannot be trusted"

@muhammadarifbillah984 5 месяцев назад

It's not really a lie if everybody already knows the truth, it's just a parameter all parties agreed to.

@lethanhminh8001 5 месяцев назад

The santi provided technology, their human supporters build it

@joannot6706 3 месяца назад

@@muhammadarifbillah984Same can be said for stories, we know a story isn't a lie it's agreed upon, the same as an alias Someone else explained that what might have caused this reaction is the ease at which they were fooled by a technologically and intellectually inferior species (over all) so when the humans really rise to their full potential, humans may become a threat which is further increased by the fact that in this universe, there is this concept of dark forests and other technologically advanced species are extremely dangerous.

@lagarvikmedia 5 месяцев назад

my question is how the original pacifist San Ti alien concealed his communication with Ye Wenjie if the aliens are incapable of hiding their thoughts from eachother 🤔

@bushinono 5 месяцев назад

that one is working alone on a space station separated from others according to the book.

@FuturesInPastTense 5 месяцев назад

I suppose in their minds, concealment is different than lying. If he never tells his comrades or if they never ask then I suppose it is not lying.

@bushinono 5 месяцев назад

@@FuturesInPastTense he is punished for his betrayal

@compactreview 5 месяцев назад

@@bushinono ah, thanks for the info 👍🏻 Can you recommend reading the book for a person, who likes scientific and emotionally deep (without kitch) story's?

@willoweable 5 месяцев назад

I believe that the san ti work as a whole. The moment they received the signal, the civilization of the san ti do not wish to conquer. They simply want to find a new home. However any civilization that actively sends messages into the universe is basically begging to be annihilated. So by replying to the message, ya wenje accidentally doomed humanity because any message, good or bad, is considered open season for conquering your world. "If you let everyone know you're here, I'll come and stop you so no one finds me or you"

@白菜-w8z 5 месяцев назад

The thing that San Ti can't lie really makes no sense. If they know how to create illusion and withhold information, they already know how to lie.

@Tristyn_Waterman 5 месяцев назад

They understand withholding information and creating illusions, but only so long as communication does not take place. They communicate by displaying their thoughts, and so they can not "speak" a lie. The only way they can deceive is by not communicating at all. Blinking the stars, ruining particle accelerator experiments, they do these and let humans interpret them however they will because the humans don't understand it. But they don't communicate to us and say "physics is broken"

@Charlieandp 5 месяцев назад

Lying here refers to outright false spoken and written communication not deception as a whole.

@BradiKal61 5 месяцев назад

For the San Ti survival depends on knowing how a threat will behave. Their star system has wiped them out countless times because it is unpredictable. how can they accept humanity if they are capable of saying one thing and doing another?

@deadbutmoving 5 месяцев назад

In the books the San ti do not lie because their intelligence is collective. Their thoughts and feelings are connected to all other San-ti therefore it is impossible for them to hide their thoughts and feelings from others, making lying impossible for them. Because of this basic biology, they never developed the culture of lying and do not even understand what it is. When they discover that humans can do this, they fear and distrust us. They reason that humans are immoral, untrustworthy and dangerous, therefore cannot be dealt with peacefully.

@h_in_oh 5 месяцев назад

Yup, the author just doesn't sell that they can handle a fictional environment for training but a fictional story that teaches a moral lesson is an example of pure evil to them.

@TymeTraveling777 2 месяца назад

Michael: calling the San Ti 🤳 San Ti: Your call has been forwarded to an automated voice messaging system

@arnoviktor4263 5 месяцев назад

I have not read the books, so maybe there is a better explanation, but at least in the show presently, this scene doesn't sit right with me. 1. The San-Ti have been spying on humans using Sophons and can see, and hear EVERYTHING that's going on. Clearly, they should've been able to observe that humans do lie, cheat, steal etc etc. It's incomprehensible that it's suddenly a revelation to them based on just one reading of Red Riding Hood?!!!!!!! 2. They themselves have been manipulating the physical events that people on Earth can see to cause panic and mass hysteria - phantom readings in the particle accelerators, countdowns on retinas, stars blinking etc etc. San-Ti cutely term it as "showing miracles", whereas it's just presenting a fake reality. Why then become so touchy-feely about the ability of humans to "lie"?! They aren't so pure either. 3. As they are sort of omnipresent, even if Mike Evans is caught lying later on, they could've easily eliminated him? Are they so short-sighted so as to completely abandon him, overlooking all he has done for them till now???? 4. And despite seemingly getting paranoid about the ability of humans to lie, they anyways end up contacting Tatiana to do their bidding!!! So why abandon Evans??

@denisklemont2540 5 месяцев назад

Very good points, my friend!

@crunchyoats1862 5 месяцев назад

It's more than just lying, lying is wilful deception and the Santi are incapable of that. They communicate instantly via light, the idea that humans can say one thing while meaning another is so alien to them that they only realized at this moment what humans were capable of.

@niltonsantos6790 5 месяцев назад

1. They were not spying for themselves, they were doing what the Cult asked them. Only after the discovery of lies they got to spy everyone everywhere. 2. They tried to destroy the science only because the human civilization evolved too fast and after 400 years they couldn't rule the humans, and that's their desire, to rule the humans. Your desire to destroy a wasp nest only occur when a wasp nest can hurt you. The only desire to then before the fuckup is control the spread of human science, like a simple animal control. 3. They couldn't trust Mike Evans, just after the humans decide to fight back they decide to create another cult of Lord.

@YOYO93ism 5 месяцев назад

I think I can give some answers to your questions, they were only able to spy on humans not long ago, they will find out about human lie eventually, Evans told them that story before the sophons arrived and that is a new concept for them. they can't lie but humans can so they are using our minds to lie to themselves and show them what they want to see. if you read the book you realize, what they do are just turn humans again each other, just like the story, the little girl didn't lie but she played along . Evans ,Tatiana and Ye are all the same to them, can you tell the difference between bugs? one maybe done more than the other, but the san-ti still have to do everything themself, one way or the other they will get what they want sooner or later.

@山丘-c4x 5 месяцев назад

San-Ti people don't lie, because they don't have mouths, their minds are transparent, so they just think and other San-Ti people will know what they are thinking. Therefore, they don't have the concept of lying at first, and they can't distinguish the difference between saying and thinking, but after they start contacting humans, they learn how to hide their thoughts from humans or even lie to humans. But the Tatiana part is also confusing to me tho, she is an original character from the show. According to the book, San-Ti should have abandoned all ETO members after this conversation.

@beach182 5 месяцев назад

Favorite scene in the entire series

@kevinjin3835 3 месяца назад

“We are afraid of you” was ironically the scariest shit it could’ve said.

@TymeTraveling777 2 месяца назад

It was like a mic drop

@vasvas8914 5 месяцев назад

Imagine being the one San-Ti who can lie

@DeadlyAlive... 4 месяца назад

The Invention of Lying, good movie.

@CrunchyButtBurger 5 месяцев назад

FYI, It’s implied in the books that Trisolarans communicate instantaneously through thought, so they can’t lie to each other.

@360.Tapestry 5 месяцев назад

then how "i'm a pacifist" supposed to keep a secret for long? if his wife asks him "did anything interesting happen today?" it's all over lol

@duy9428 5 месяцев назад

@@360.Tapestry In the book they didn't,in the book they told Evans "Please help us destroy humanity, and we will destroy you later." But somehow the show makers decided the relationship between ETO and San-Ti in this show is defferent without a proper fix in setting.

@360.Tapestry 5 месяцев назад

@@duy9428 thank you for that explanation. i don't know a lot about the theoretical science, but even assuming they all work, the show's plot still has a lot of logical problems (for example it took them decades to encounter the topic of deception??) - still rather entertaining, tho - so i can overlook it

@borankaradeniz266 5 месяцев назад

They communicate their thoughts through color

@360.Tapestry 5 месяцев назад

@@borankaradeniz266 like cuttlefish?

@sagar3455 4 месяца назад

He should have introduced the concept of Morality before explaining the concept of lying. Humans lie, but their lies do not cross them. The bottom line is that morality is shackled by the human capacity to lie. This will make humans far less threatening to San Ti and might still leave space for reconciliation.

@ultravioletron 5 месяцев назад

"My Lord, Are You There? It's Me, Margaret."

@mlgamings6110 5 месяцев назад

This moment kinda reminded me of the quote. "Do you think God stays in heaven because he too lives in fear of what he's created?" The only difference in this case is that instead of staying in the heavens, the San-ti is coming to destroy all of humanity.

@lawlessappleking2101 5 месяцев назад

Who knew reading Grimms fairy tales to a bunch of aliens would result in an invasion?🤷‍♂️

@patriceesela5000 3 месяца назад

😅😅😅

@joannot6706 3 месяца назад

It's from Charles Perrault Original title is Le petit chaperon rouge Choosing french literature was a grave mistake

@iamPrinceK 5 месяцев назад

The Great PJ Never Disappoints ✌️🌟🤞🤞

@jhhwild 8 дней назад

They are intelligent enough to invent interstellar travel, but it took them this long to figure out that humans lie on occasion? A bit of a glaring oversight for such an intelligent lifeform.

@seva809 5 дней назад

Ultimately the biology outlines the direction in which your intelligence will develop. Some concepts like fighting for limited resources will be the common denominator for any intelligent life form others like love or deception will be exclusive to only a few.

@jhhwild 5 дней назад

@seva809 I think even if they dont engage in deception themselves, they should be able to determine if other species are capable of it considering the sheer level of intelligence on display. According to the show, it seemed they were closely monitoring human activity, so I would assume they would have figured out the human capability of deception much earlier.

@bobbyf.4406 5 месяцев назад

The essence of the story Little Red Riding Hood is a lie about a liar.

@adumsundler4397 25 дней назад

I'm confused as to why the San Ti don't understand the concept of a story when the game itself is a story. I am aware that in the books, the followers made the VR headset and that the technology is a lot simpler. But it seems like in the show, the implication is that the aliens made it, or at least provided earth with the technology. Furthermore, did they not imply that the sword lady is meant to be one of the San Ti? If both of, or at least one of these things are true, then shouldn't the San Ti be aware of the story in the game? If they are, then why would the concept of a story confuse them? If anyone knows their shit I would love to have everything cleared up.

@dylpickle2861 5 месяцев назад

How do they know to use the concept of trust as reasoning if they don't know how to lie? They have no use for the word trust as it implies that lies are an established concept in their society.

@QuantumXFire 5 месяцев назад

Not only that, but the original message she gets from them, has someone on the other end telling her not to message them back because their superiors cant be trusted and would come to invade Earth. Also going against what "the lord" says about how they all share information together as they recieve it. If that were true, there wouldnt of been a reply to tell us not to message back or be invaded. Inconsistences.

@manupandey8219 5 месяцев назад

It's almost as if the Trisolarans are hypocrites! These aren't inconsistencies or plot holes but rather tell tale signs that the Trisolarans aren't everything they claim to be. Think about it, they live in such a harsh environment and you know what type of leaders emerge in harsh environments? Very authoritarian ones. Think Soviet Union or Nazi Germany. They all pretended on the exterior to be high and mighty and pure but of course (as we know) they were anything but pure.

@lethanhminh8001 5 месяцев назад

@@QuantumXFirein the book the santi listener was isolated in his listening post in space, so only after he sent his message the other found out and punished I wish the show had spent some time explain this point

@arwing20 Месяц назад

Oh good god, this made the San Ti seem so infantile. Imagine a race that get scared because other races have the capability of lying. Its like a sheltered person discovering what the real world is like for the first time

@Meanace208 5 месяцев назад

I get that they're aliens. I can acknowledge that communication could be slow at first. But based on the progression and timeline, Mike has had this means of communication for at least 10 years. Are the writers saying it took 10 years of talking before Mike had ever described even a fictional story that depicted a liar?

@coloboquito 5 месяцев назад

the sophons have been on Earth only for a month or so at this point. Before them the communication was like, send a message, wait 8 years for reply

@Atarashifatan 5 месяцев назад

The show literally explain that they can only communicate like this for only a few months, they never talk like this for 10 years lmao where did you get that numbers

@willoweable 5 месяцев назад

As people have already pointed out. The sophons were sent to earth only a few months prior to events of the show. So the san ti didn't have faster then light communication until then. It was mostly long distance transmission being sent using their satellite and waiting 8 years for a response. In the time the sophons were on earth, they were busy destroying science and attacking humanity. The san ti didn't just spend every single second listening to earth literature.

@Mirage475 5 месяцев назад

Amazing how poor media literacy is that not paying attention is now how you’ll view what you said as a “gotcha”

@supernovagirl5741 5 месяцев назад

Probably yeah

@hitekx4065 5 месяцев назад

Not that it would have helped, but he could have just explained the concept of fiction. Entertainment. Goldilocks would probably have been more appropriate.

@360.Tapestry 5 месяцев назад

without much context, it's not that scary. it's like a child. but after you've seen what that scared and confused child can do, maybe it's best not to upset it

@huarenzaixian 5 месяцев назад

如果三体人能🤥说谎，他们就无法在混乱的三体世界中发展到如此高度

@fxturist8534 2 месяца назад

It's also funny because it creates a liar paradox. If he is a liar, then he was lying about being a liar, lies, blah blah

@seva809 5 дней назад

Would be funny if the try to solve this liar paradox would melt any supercomputers San Ti had therefore destroying their civilization

@PassiveAgressive319 5 месяцев назад

He’s been talking to Santi for 40 years and now he f***s up? How on earth has this not happened until now?😅😅😅

@bhaalgorn 4 месяца назад

Sophons had only gotten there like a month before this happened

@obesia1873 4 месяца назад

Miss Thing gagged him fierce with that read!! Santee Alleys are so scary to me because they arent not only technically fiercer but they are also shady boots

@zerox6484 2 месяца назад

The best scene from the entire show

@stephenking5852 2 месяца назад

The san ti are incapable of lying to each other because they communicate via telepathy. Their thoughts are on full display, so they can’t even hold secrets. Therefore, they can trust each other better than humans can trust each other.

@reggae8273 2 месяца назад

They are smart enough to make sophon but they dont understand concept of lying XDD

@fxturist8534 2 месяца назад

btw i was wondering, even after the "you are bugs" thing and allat, why did they still trust tatiana so much that they called her one of them even though in their eyes, all humans are bugs and liars

@h_in_oh 5 месяцев назад

The San-Ti obviously can deal with probability ranges if they can handle interstellar travel and quantum computing. There does not need to be a pure deterministic mathematical answer of absolute truth for a range of probabilities to properly inform policy. Similarly, when dealing with others who may not be truthful, there is a range of possibilities based on what is in their own self interest to have to account for. If they can use quantum computing, then they should have worked out those possibilities and developed appropriate mitigations instead of just declaring humanity evil. Give the author credit for coming up with a reason that aliens would want to conquer or wipe out humanity even with a society that is as advanced as their technology instead of just using the old trope of a society with incredibly advanced technology to still have a medieval feudal imperial society, but this is where the story fails to sell that as a key underlying premise.

@manupandey8219 5 месяцев назад

But here's a question for you: do you think the San-Ti government would have some similar problems that our government faces. For example: do you think the San-Ti government would always be truthful or even always do what's in the interest of everyone in their society? If you think yes, then regardless of the scientific advancement, there's a chance they would ignore calculations and do the politically correct thing and declare the human race evil. But even if they are always truthful or do things in the interest of everyone: remember, the San-Ti said that fear has allowed them to survive this long. If this is the case, then it's easy for them to come to a decision to eliminate the race based on pure survival instincts of fear (which they seem to value alot more than we do).

@czg2012 3 месяца назад

Bugs People: "look, in the sky, San-Ti! shoot at it now!" "wait, don't shoot! it's me, San-Ta!" 🧑‍🎄

@FedericoSantoro-yi5wv 5 месяцев назад

The fact that humanity is doomed by two idiots who think only about themselfes is super realistic and scary

@jftippu 2 месяца назад

The best scene of the show. Hands down. Thought-provoking and scary. Btw, this clip is not complete actually because it cut short the first question from the alien, post hearing the story.

@claudiamanta1943 2 месяца назад

The most accurate thing in any sci- fi movie or book. Except the ‘afraid’ bit. It’s more like ‘You are disgusting. We do not trust you’.

@ZhangK71 5 месяцев назад

So what does it mean when the San Ti deliberately designed the game with human N.P.C.’s to make themselves more familiar and relatable to the players? The definition of “lying” according to the aliens seems fairly nebulous and it’s not really clear to me whether hiding their true form to appear human is clear of that murky boundary between lying and truth.

@mrp1kles 5 месяцев назад

Mike Evans and the ETO helped design the game, It's used as a recruitment tool. Human form makes it more likely you'd sympathize with the aliens and join. Also great for the imagination as none of us really know what they look like!

@ZhangK71 5 месяцев назад

@@mrp1kles Well, yes, I know what the intent behind making the characters look human was. My point was, if the San-Ti associated something as innocuous as the allegory of Little Red Riding Hood with lying, even when it was just a way to use a hypothetical plot to make a point, then isn’t using human characters to make the game more familiar just them doing the exact same thing they said they hate and can’t do? And I’m pretty sure the San-Ti were at the very least partially involved in the game. Feel free to correct me, though.

@mrp1kles 5 месяцев назад

@@ZhangK71 Ah i see your point! If I remember from the books it was mostly all Mike Evans and the ETO that made the games. Evans was rich and built the tech, they had the game developed before the sophons arrived to earth. Sophons weren't in the games at all i think, that was something the show did to confuse everyone, haha.

@ZhangK71 5 месяцев назад

@@mrp1kles That’s a really weird plot hole or at least plot confusion on the part of the show, then, because the whole drama was about how “no human technology could have produced this game”, “this is like 150+ years ahead of our time”, etc.

@sicongli6594 5 месяцев назад

@@ZhangK71 San Ti did provide their techs to help realize the game (using Sophon's insane computational power for simulation and sensory interfacing), but it was the ETO that designed the game itself. So the psychological manipulations in the game: using human figures to create more sympathy, the false appearance of a poor civilization simply seeking help with no malign intentions, are all works of ETO; San Ti just went along with it, not necessarily understanding the point. Also in the book the avatar of Sophon never appeared, and San Ti never directly talked to anyone in the game; it was mostly just game AIs or ETO operators. But I think even in the show this did not necessarily create any plot holes for the reasons I explained above.

@bobbymozza 4 месяца назад

Why not just upload the whole scene?

@willoweable 5 месяцев назад

Its rather interesting to me that instead of being able to describe and being able to understand the concept of lying, metaphors, fiction etcetera. the San ti Just decided that humans are bad because they lie. It's pretty interesting because lying is actually a very important survival technique. If the san ti can't do it then that's an incredible weakness that they have in the universe.

@crunchyoats1862 5 месяцев назад

Their planet is hostile and has three suns, the survival of their species depended on close co-operation. The only reason they were going to allow us to live was to be their servants on a conquered Earth, as soon as they realized our capacity for subterfuge they realized how dangerous we'd be and started planning to wipe us out.

@yangdaoy 5 месяцев назад

They have fear

@willoweable 5 месяцев назад

@@yangdaoy yes. They do

@jimog6595 5 месяцев назад

It’s a weakness from our point of view because of our way of life. Santi don’t need lies on their world. Their main objective is to simply survive the harsh environment. They haven’t evolved to be programmed by emotions like life on earth has. Their minds simply don’t work like ours

@antonycharnock2993 5 месяцев назад

Most life on Earth has evolved some sort of deception to survive but as they like to tell us we live on a stable planet where it's had time to happen.

@bigguy4u989 4 месяца назад

“so the story is a lie about a liar?” “no, because everyone on earth understands the information it is meant to convey, so there is no deception involved.” “oh ok, cool”

@Slemoster Месяц назад

Easy way he could've backpeddled is to explain that the story exists with consequences at the end, so as to teach others that lying is evil.

@DLHDP 3 месяца назад

Not only did he make them afraid of us but he also showed them that they can lie to us.

@andrewwales8827 5 месяцев назад

He probably could have salvaged it by explaining that the stories are meant to teach us lessons, in this case, to be wary of liars. Maaaaaybe.

@KITN._.8 5 месяцев назад

Right but the fact that humans have story’s warning children about liars kinda entails that humans are liars. Lol

@mahalak4383 5 месяцев назад

People are saying this convo doomed humanity but i believe we were doomed before that when they decided to invade us. This was just a way out to break up with their followers after their usefulness was over.

@johncandy6508 5 месяцев назад

But the San Ti lie as well. Their very first communication was made by a 'liar'.

@giantWario 5 месяцев назад

It was made by a traitor sure. But the pacifist San-ti wasn't lying. Beside, the point was never that they don't understand the concept of lying. It's that, since they can all read each others mind, they don't have to fear lies. A San-ti can't directly lie to another San-ti. What scared them is the fact that they couldn't tell that Mike was lying to them.

@lethanhminh8001 5 месяцев назад

The santi traitor never lied

@johncandy6508 5 месяцев назад

I'm confused. If I hide a fact I'm lying. There are loads of other examples of lying in the book. one of the aliens tells the listener 'we hide the truth of past civilisations' That IS lying. They lie. Doing it once proves it. The book series is excellent. I'm just responding to the incongruities in the writing. no author is perfect

@LYJManchesterUnited 5 месяцев назад

They don’t understand the concept of entertainment 😢

@julietr 5 месяцев назад

I don't understand one thing: aren't aliens, at least one of them, liars in the first place? "I'm a pacifist in this world, if you reply we will come"....was he willing to lie about being contacted by humans? That would make the alien a liar as well. I don't understand.

@smittyjjensin558 5 месяцев назад

Not saying anything is different than lying about something

@godfreydaniel6278 5 месяцев назад

@@smittyjjensin558 Lies of omission and lies of commission are both lies...

@SuperFatPuppy 5 месяцев назад

From what i remember from the books, he wouldn't be able to lie, but the message from earth didn't have sufficient information to deduce where it came from, just the general direction. Humanity needed to respond so that the aliens could deduce the distance. That, along with the general direction, the aliens would be able to deduce the location of earth. What makes the conundrum interesting is that the aliens had thousands of other listening posts on their planet. All of them received the initial message from earth and were inevitably going to try to get the humans to respond. It just so happens, by sheer dumb luck, a pacifist was able to reply first. And also by sheer dumb luck, a self-hating human was the first to respond. The story is existentially cruel.

@thuantuy1704 5 месяцев назад

@@godfreydaniel6278 If the San-ti communicate, they can't hide their thought from each other, therefore they can't lie. But its different if they don't communicate about it.

@floydtang571 5 месяцев назад

The thing is you aren’t able to triangulate the location from earth from a single message, only the direction can be determined (which still has a insane amount of stars they need to look through). Only when there’s two bursts of transmission can they triangulate the location and determine our precise location. The pacifist alien (spoilers) also ends up being punished for his betrayal of sending that message back.

@oofcloof 2 месяца назад

Imagine if we just pulled an insane bluff before this conversation went down “we can blow up your entire fleet just by snapping our fingers” and they actually would’ve just believed us and left us alone.

@secimbarbar4894 2 месяца назад

It was a much better written scene than the book.

@justsome21 5 месяцев назад

If they can't lie, how did they say "you are bugs" to everyone, when its not a literal truth.

@Kingsley266 5 месяцев назад

In the book . They(santi)learnt so many stuff from human includes how to tell a lie .

@jimog6595 5 месяцев назад

is it a lie if they believe it to be true? maybe they don't mean it in such a literal way. think in terms of their current power & technology, we are currently bugs

@Fuar11 5 месяцев назад

They understand metaphor. Humans are equivalent to bugs to the San Ti. So it's a truth

@ElZilchoYo 5 месяцев назад

They know metaphor. It's more like they didn't understand deception.

@_martian101 5 месяцев назад

@@Fuar11they see humanity as bugs but they're afraid of them because humanity can twist the role and make them the bugs one

@freeman2690 5 месяцев назад

I was wondering what their technology they couldn’t just simply look at our history and tell her we were a shady species

@MrTrouserpants101 5 месяцев назад

everyone gets to see the people they lost again

@PrapullSharma 5 месяцев назад

This changed whole game Woah

@jimmyjackson8058 4 месяца назад

Ooh ooh...what about the boy who cried wolf My Lord😂😭

@theoldlore 3 месяца назад

The Trisolarans were always gonna bone us.

@supernovagirl5741 5 месяцев назад

This remind anyone else of Hal malfunctioning in 2001 A Space Oddysey a bit

@tongxia6557 2 месяца назад

Siri finally reveals her true colours 🤯🤯

@williamlocklear1283 5 месяцев назад

If the San Ti is so advanced why not just eliminate two of their suns and solve the problem or find an uninhabited world since we now know there are hundreds if not thousands available to them, the whole movie is full of plot holes as large as the Grand Canyon.

@carlbates9110 5 месяцев назад

There are aliens that can do those things. They might not be among them.

@carlbates9110 5 месяцев назад

Also Earth is a lot closer to them than most other worlds, and has a good environment.

@zhongxingjin846 5 месяцев назад

They are advanced, but not that advanced(moving a sun).

@mrp1kles 5 месяцев назад

Sophon explains that humans will surpass them in only 400 years unless they intervene, they are afraid of us. It took all their resources to make 4 sophons and 1000 interstellar ships.

@tiagofialho7015 5 месяцев назад

It's not that black and white as you might think. Plus, "the plot holes" are in fact mysteries that will slowly unfold. That's part of the sharm of the story. But i will say this: It is a Dark Forest out there

@Briliantless 5 месяцев назад

How come the San- ti doesn't know Human could lie if they can see and hear everything human do? My answer is that San- ti truly sees human like bugs, like is it concern us humans if some bugs can lie? In the end they are just bugs

@colinadams5419 5 месяцев назад

They couldn't tell when a human was lying or not because they didn't have the concept for it.

@iamFSRL 5 месяцев назад

It’s demonstrated in The Invention of Lying. If the concept doesn’t exist to you, then from your perspective, everything must be the truth because there’s no such thing as not-truth.

@georgeofhamilton 5 месяцев назад

Can anyone explain why this scene is meant to be so scary when the Trisolarans would’ve found out about lying later on through their sophons anyway?

@manupandey8219 5 месяцев назад

well the sophons are primarily tasked with stopping the advancement of science. And remember, Sophons can't read thoughts. Plus, the sophons had only been at earth for a few months. So, till this moment, the TriSolarans hadn't focused their Sophons to analyzing human behavior (which they might never have since they have no reason to suspect lying since they themselves don't understand lying as a concept). So it just so happens that Evans explains it to them accidentally and as a result has pretty much guaranteed his demise since now the Trisolarans don't want to protect him. Or to put it shortly, this scene is scary because Evans basically signs his own death warrant.

@rvkice23 4 месяца назад

I wonder what the Trisolorans would have thought about music, since it stands to reason that if they did not have evolutionary time or inclination for silly things like children's stories then they probably never got around to music. Like Mozart's ABC, or the Soviet national anthem, or the Nokia ringtune

@koushikraja331 5 месяцев назад

....couldn't you have just read them like sleeping beauty, man?

@longdang1119 4 месяца назад

This happened in the story too. Right before the nano plan. And the SanTi stopped communicating with Mike Evans. That led to his death. Anyway, the SanTi will learn to love fictions. That's some little cute things in this horrifying story. And I think the author could make a happy ending with that. Fiction things can connect people (or SanTi). When we are connected by common immaginations, there's no point in annihilating each other.

@claudiamanta1943 5 месяцев назад

Genesis 18, anyone? Humankind should consider itself lucky if only enslaved by an alien species.

@thebluefalcons92 4 месяца назад

This scene is very dystopian, but also pretty humorous. “A story is a lie about a liar” wtf💀

@noahbodi6418 4 месяца назад

This is a great analogy of the fist interactions of Africans and Europeans (liars). Art imitating life. A liar can never be trusted.

@drlong08 13 дней назад

Imagine if he used Aesop's Fables instead...YOW!

@burakdurmazvideo 4 месяца назад

It's like having the wrong conversation with your girlfriend and she gosting you lol

@The_guy_on_the_internet 5 месяцев назад

They would have found out about our lying habit eventually ANYWAY, so... 😇🤥

@baygeebob7536 5 месяцев назад

This guy manages to explain the concept of a fariy tail in the worst way possible.

@ScottBrown-lg8vg 5 месяцев назад

I was going to say that some stores rely on people saying stupid wrong things. But then I realized, nearly everyone in 2024 says stupid wrong things, so... I guess all I can say about this is that it's accurate.

@SystemUnderSiege 5 месяцев назад

The only parts of the Netflix show were “it is a lie about a liar?”, when the chick says we wouldn’t like how they look, and having ye wenjies complete backstory I guess. Otherwise, the Chinese version is incomparably better.