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I have an MOA variant I got for my 22-250 and I sincerely thank you for the recommendation last year on my birthday! After the SWFA MIL-Quad recommendation previously and the success I just jumped… well, I have no regrets and once again know I can trust your recommendation!
dear rex, i never had a gun of my own , but i did serve, so bare with this question I'm making.... I can totally understand the need for weight on an ELR rifle because of the need for ruggedness and especially rigidity... but would there be a way for you to dedicate a video or two on new materials, eg like carbon fibre?! Or maybe a video about carrying weight when in the wilderness?! I would love Your take on these subjects.... love our 101 series I hope You will make time one day to make an updated version with better video quality and graphics....You know not that your 101 series is bad, but, I feel it is a pity that as video resolution as time passes gets of easier access to viewers, it is a pity that Your course is getting dated video quality wise.
Hey brother, please repost the video on turning the other cheek, it has been removed from internet. It was an all-time favorite of mine. Thanks, my brother. Keep the faith.
I laughed when he talked to her about swimming in the lake or fishing in the lake. I thought oof he's either gonna have an angry ankle biter that's wanting to swim in 30° or as soon as he goes back to talking to us she's gonna be bored again.
You never need to apologize for the little ones. They are not only a blessing to you, they are a blessing to us. I love they you keep it real and hearing the "critter" in the backseat makes it even more so. Keep doing what you do.
I can imagine your mom is very proud of you ❗️ I love that “ critter” in the backseat. Made your message even more significant, we’re fighting for them💜
Careful, those critters can get pretty wild and will just absolutely make a mess of things. Never apologize for being a busy dad. My two are at the top of my most treasured life experiences that continue to bring me joy. Stay safe and God bless.
Mils for me. I learned to shoot in MOA, however now all of my dope is now in mils and all of my scopes are mil/mil and will likely always be mil/mil. Units of 10 just make it easier for me. Due to my science background I also fully committed to using meters. I got good at it for work, so there wasnt any point to not synergize my hours of work expertise accurately measuring distances in the field to my favorite hobby. I can still do MOA, I just dont prefer it anymore.
I grew up competitively swimming. Typically out door pools are in 25 meters or 50m and indoor pools are in 25 yards. Collegiate athletes swim times in yards, Olympic athletes swim in meters. This helped me as I could “see” both distances
I agree with Rex's measurement interpretation of mil vs moa, but I have shot 1k yard benchrest a good bit and most want 1/8 min click scopes cause to be competitive nowadays you need to be sub (sub) half moa 10 shot groups at 1k yards . So for real world expectations he is correct but I have scopes that are great for 1k yard paper but suck for most real world situations.. You want fine cross hair and adjustment for 1k benchrest but move that scope to a tree line and you can't pick up the reticle.. People are to that kind of accuracy now but it doesn't relate to real world use .
Fully agree with you I started with minutes because it was the easiest for me using yardage and it being close enough to 1 inch per 100yards. I've been subscribed to you for years. No idea why you haven't popped up for me in ages and I don't subscribe to very many channels. Guess I have some great content to watch for awhile.
Good talk Rex! I think what many people overlook is what unit does your mind measure automatically. I grew in Canada under the metric system and thats all we learned in school but obviously things like sports had a greater impact on my mind than did school lol. So I see things in yards feet and inches also pounds vs kilos. When I look at an object I think that's 6 feet tall not 1.83m or whatever the case. I know what 2 meters is but I always have to convert back in my mind. That being said I chose MOA because that's what automatically makes sense to me.
If you've got the kind of eagle eye that can distinguish a half-inch at a thousand yards (I sure don't -- here in my seventies I'm lucky to be able to read the text off my monitor as I type it), then here's a thought -- move the #!#$$ crosshairs up or down a half-tad to compensate for it. ("Kentucky Elevation"?)
Awesome video man. I'll throw this in there for new people as well. Get a Mildot Master analog ballistics calculator. The reason I mention this here in this video is because it converts MOA into MRADS and vice versa on the right side. I've personally used scopes that had MRAD adjustment knobs with a MOA reticle and I've had spotters using MOA while I was using MRADS and the Mildot Master made for a quick conversion while calculating firing solutions.
Been researching all day on RU-vid for MOA vs MILs and i honestly was leaning towards MOA to be more "precise" but this explanation makes alot more sense. It aint going to really matter at 1000 yards! I appreciate your finger examples lol
I use a mixed mil/min scope. A close conversation factor is to multiply or divide between MOA or M-rads using 3.44 as a conversion factor. It's not exact but very close. So to change one M-rad to MOA it's 1 x 3.44. So for every one M-rad you have 3.44 MOA. To get M-rad's just divide. You will always get more Mils when going from MOA to M-rads. Using a ¼th MOA scope. Just go to the nearest MOA. This being 3.5 MOA. I always calculate in M-rads then change to MOA's. It's just easier to do the angular calculations for distance using Mils. Then multiply using one of four conversation factors to get data for the scope. This being to see how many MOA's or M-rads in the distance. Then dividing that number into the ballistic drop. Conversation factors. MOA's: yards gets 1.047, meters get 2.91. M-rads: yards gets 3.6, meters gets 10. Using either MOA' or M-rads makes little difference. When it calculates the difference is less than the diameter of the bullet. You still put that deer meat in the freezer. Wish I could get a Leupold MK-4, 6.5-20x50, M5 scope. Focal lenses are just too big now days. 50mm is my limit. When I first learned about the MOA v M-rad thing the US Army was using the M-14 with a scope back then. Whatever the Army used is what I learned on. Was not a Army sniper. I did that mortar gunnery stuff instead.
Excellent 👍👌 I was a full time dad of 3. Never a distraction…..a blessing. For sure. Love your dry whit & humor. & your knowledge. More please. Learning tons about long range shooting. Want to learn tons more too. Keep it coming. Great job. Thanks Ken
We love seeing the father side to you, makes you human and relatable! Great video, I’m new and bought an arken but was completely undecided. I went with MOA . I think in inches so maybe it will be easier? We shall see.
That was extremely helpful. because I been thinking about swapping out and learning MILs. Now I'm not going to bother. Thanks for saving me a butt ton of money.
@Rex my 4 month old son dose the exact same thing with driving. If I stop for just a few seconds he starts crying. But as long as I’m driving he is happy lol
For anyone that understands MOA, to convert MRAD/MIL to MOA (say you have to pick up a UN weapon in the coming months or years, or something!), just realize every 3/10th MIL/MRAD = 1 MOA (not exact but damn close). There's 3.44 MOA per MRAD/MIL. So, take your MIL reading and DIVIDE by 3 for MOA, e.g. 2.1 MRAD/MIL = 7 MOA. (21/3=7). Hope that makes sense and helps someone. NOTE: This is for practical, in the field, shooting and NOT for shooting one hole, ten shot groups at 6 thousand yards. P.S. The opposite will work for field expedient method to convert MIL/MRAD to MOA too. Just MULTIPLY the MOA reading by 3 to get approx. MIL/MRAD.
It’s cool to hear your little girl in the back seat when you’re talking to us. It’s proof positive that you’re just like one of us. Even though your superior marksmanship makes you stand out from us.
Marksman instructor USMC 92-99. My son is 18 know, used same thought process to teach him how to shoot long! We shot bottle caps at 300! That's our shtick
Great video Rex! Love the sound of kids in the background. :) I see what you're saying at LR or ELR, the difference may not be there for someone like me (who is no where near your type of skillset!). But at closer distance, say for precision rimfire, 1 click of a mil scope is .36" at 100 yards, 0.25" for MOA (or less). With those tiny targets/bullseye we sometimes need to shoot at that distance, I wonder if it makes some sense to go MOA? Most rimfire BR guys I watch still seem to prefer MOA, where as the NRL and PRS guys like the faster elevation change in a milrad scope.
Don't be sorry. Your children come first before us. True viewers will watch you no matter how it is. You are one person that I would like to meet one day hopefully. I value your opinion and what you do for RU-vid and US viewers
Totally agree on the difference in precision between MOA and MIL being insignificant for the vast majority of shooters and shooting situations. I think the one advantage MOA _subjectively_ has over MIL for someone already steeped in the English / Imperial system of measurement is it translates easily to inches of measurement. For example, 1 MOA measures 1 inch at 100 yards, 2 inches at 200 yards, 3 inches at 300 yards, etc. Yes, technically it's been rounded; it's actually 1.04 inches at 100 yards, for example. But it's close enough for most shooting situations to round to the full inch. Point being, if your shot is off by 1 inch from the bullseye at 100 yards, you know you need to dial in 1 MOA on your scope to adjust your point of impact. It's that ease of translating between the graduations on an MOA turret to the difference between point of aim and point of impact that makes it an attractive choice for someone already familiar with inches as a unit of measure.
Thanks a lot for the sensible explanation. I am buying a new optic and was leaning toward mil mil but I really don't care for the mil reticles, too many very small lines very busy for my old eyes. I found the moa based reticles much less cluttered. IMHO, as a solo shooter being as you will be staring at that reticle every time you shoot so you better like it regardless of mil or moa.
Excellent advice and most ballistic references I see these days list both MOA & Mils. Ultimately, what weighs more...a pound of iron or a pound of feathers? They both weigh a pound.
I just seen a comment from someone who lives in Africa ion many fish video. She lives in Africa and she says there is no emergency or activity there that the pm of Is. Ra. El is lying.
This is something I’ve always wondered. I’ve considered going to Mils instead of MOA bc I always was under the impression that Mils was a more fine adjustment than MOA. Think I’ll stick with MOA since it’s what I’m used to.
Thanks for that Rex. I’m not a new shooter by any means, but I AM new to using scopes, and I’ve been interested in long range (1-1.5k yards) bench rest shooting for a while. I picked off thirty 300 meter silhouettes in a row with iron sights in the Army during a spontaneous shootout just for fun, so I know I’ve got the basics down. I’m just curious how far I can go with improved equipment. Not interested in competition or group shooting, and I don’t hunt…just me and my pea shooter and a paper target. I’ve watched countless videos on mils vs moa, and mils make my head spin whereas I picked up on MOAs pretty quickly. I’ve pretty much decided to do what clicks for me and go MOA (no pun intended).My biggest question at this point, lacking any personal experience, is how much magnification is ideal for 1-1.5k? I’ve narrowed my choice down to either the Arken EP5-7x35 or the SH4J-6x24.. I’m also not clear if the range of elevation adjustment on these is adequate for that range (223/556 BTW), in terms of whether or not I need to add the 20moa cantilever mount Arken offers. Any suggestions you or fellow shooters could offer would be hugely appreciated before I drop several hundred on either of these scopes for my 5.56 DPMS Panther with a 22” Bearcreek Arsenal barrel and a Geissele 2 stage trigger. BTW, enjoy your time with the little ones…they grow up fast. Thanks for sharing!!!
Miliradians requires no addition or subtraction. Faster under stress. .36in vs 1.047/4 or .261in. Neither is actually that intuitive. People get into trouble thinking MOA = 1in @ 100 yds. I switched everything to MILS years ago.
Thanks for the video Rex. 🤣 and coming from a fellow father. Get that kid to the slide. Maybe he’s going to get some sleep tonight. Happy thanksgiving buddy
You are national treasure Rex, I told my fiance yesterday, "baby this dude knows his stuff, he's good, veerrrrrrryyyyy good." Or something like that lol. Believe me, your knowledge is needed like never before. Trying to walk the Lord's path in Missouri. Y'all stay vigilant and get ready. For anything. 👍✌
A few years ago, I bought a Primary Arms 4x14 ACSS HUD DMR556 scope and mounted it on my Mossberg ATR .243 Win rifle. I thought perhaps this would be a good choice for varmint hunting coyotes and taking shots out past 300 yards. Fact is that most of my coyote encounters have been inside 50 yards, and some that came in at a full run and jumped over my head! Seldom have I had a coyote beyond 250 yards. Inside 100 yards is where I find most of my shots on coyotes and white tail deer. Out West where you have more open plains and even high plains do you have an opportunity for long range shots on game such as antelope, mule deer, or even an elk. Rex, your an accomplished shooter and no one doubts that. However, as a general rule it's best to take varmints at closer range than out to 1000 yards. Shoot a prairie dog at 1000 yards in a full value wind, and I think all of us will be most impressed with that. Simper Fidelus- One shot, One Kill!
If you don't run a dope. I find moa easier to calculate in my head over mrad. But like Rex said. It all comes down to what you find better for you. I run both. Mrad on my bench gun since I use a dope and have time to take my shot. I run moa on my hunting rifles so that I can calculate my holds on the fly with ease.
It seems as though the majority of shooters are running MIL. Furthermore, there is a wind reading and holding concept (which I barely understand) called "Gun Number". It doesn't exactly work with MOA. If I understand correctly, you can punch your rifle data into Hornady 4DOF or whatever. Set your range to 500, and input wind reading at 90 degrees full value until the app is telling you to hold 0.5 MIL. If 8mph yields 0.49 MIL and 9mph yields 0.52 MIL, then your gun number is 8mph. So now you play with the range, and you'll see that with wind at 8mph full value, every 100 yards tells you to hold off approximately 0.1 MIL for wind. 200 yards is 0.2 MIL, 400 yards is 0.4 MIL, 700 yards is 0.7 MIL, etc, etc However, most rifle systems will see a "jump" somewhere between 700-900 yards. Meaning the 0.1 MIL per 100 yards works great until 600 yards but now at 700 yards, you're holding 0.8 MIL and 800 yards requires 0.9 MIL My 6.5 Creedmoor is a 9mph gun all the way out to 900 yards where it jumps to 1.0 MIL. Then 1000 yards is 1.1 and 11 is 1.2 but then it jumps again at 1200 yards to 1.4 after that, it really starts to get squirrely because 4DOF doesn't have the required option to turn off Spin Drift. NOTES: 1. To get Gun Number in 4DOF, you want to use right to left wind although the results should be the same for left to right. You'll just get the wrong data if you set it up left to right due to spin drift 2. As with any data, you need to go out and test it for yourself in the field. Hornady 4DOF told my buddy that his 308 is a 4mph gun but in the field, he discovered its actually just a little shy of 5mph. He gets a jump at 600 yards whereas, adjusting 4dof to 5mph shows him a jump at 700. 3. Just to reiterate, I said that I barely understand this concept so I'm sure there's something wrong here BUT, the reader should have a strong understanding of gun number 4. As stated before, gun number doesn't really work properly for MOA scopes. If I recall correctly, you first have to find your gun number in MILs and then do a lot of algebra. When you're done, you wind up with weird shit like 0.5 MOA at 400 and 500, then 0.75 MOA at 600 and 1 MOA at 700 or some kind of weird shit like that. And the true values for MOA gun number are usually in between clicks. Idk. I just know that it works itself out to be all kinds of fucky. Hope this gives the reader a little bit more to think about when selecting MOA vs MIL. To me, MOA just seems to make more sense but MIL sounds a lot easier to use and that's why I went with MIL
Wetzlar scopes? Are they really calling it by the venue now? Are they no longer calling it E. Leitz, Wetzlar? (After the founder, Ernst Leitz way back when, who was pretty much the inventor of the 35mm "still" camera, originally used for testing snips of movie film, back in the day during which things like "ASA" were more of a wish-list than something you'd see printed on the box.) -- Signed, a crippled OLD camera repairman (and photographer), who still owns a Leica III that he bought a few decades ago [at a gun show of all places] for $150 (with a beat-up Summar, quickly replaced by a Soviet lens of really excellent quality). (I was there looking for cheap MRE cases, before Janet Lord Reno doth decree it in the national interest to destroy them rather than to allow such dangerous goods to fall into the hands of crippled "middle aged" civilians. After my spine and major joints were ruined by a doped-up driver who rammed my stopped car at an intersection, as I was recovering from my (clinically) schizophrenic ex-wife, before I married [redacted], I was able to survive bouts of flu and so forth by living off of those cheap MREs. When I was so sick that I could not cook for myself, they made it possible for me to eat better food than I'd have been able to find in supermarket canned goods. Grouse grumble murmur... PS: Six or eight years ago, I bought a pair of Leitz Trinovid binoculars at the "local" Goodwill. The leather case didn't look super spiffy, and thus, it ended up on the shelf at the Ludington store, rather than being sent upstream with the rest of the "high value" items, to be sold via their online auction. Every now and then something falls through the cracks. I still chuckle when I think of how some "expert" looked them over and decreed something to the tune of, "Leitz? Crazy off-brand, never heard of it. Definitely _not_ a _quality_ brand like Bushnell. Price it under ten bucks and hope some sucker thinks he really needs this crap." And so, TIMRN saw the $8.90 price tag, deliberated for one nanosecond (the limit of his temporal resolution while restraining a virtual Pavlovian reaction), and didn't even bother trying to run the numbers to account for the 20% "Senior Day" discount. Let the clerk key it in at checkout! Sometimes life can be good, even considering all the rest that comes with the package...
I have both mill and moa and the only difference is with mill it’s easer to find spotting scopes with mill in them then moa so for starting out I would maybe push people slightly twards mill for that one reason I have more in moa cause that’s what I learned on so I 100% agree with you!
You look good today bro! Like your rested. I do think in moa. I bought milrad to try for my 50 cal as per your recommendation. I decided I have to start thinking in meters. Blow on the turret for good luck. Don't ever apologize for your young man in the background. We can do it sooner but when he is a little older I will take your family out fishing up here in Montana. If I'm here...that said my wife has been looking at property in North Dakota? Hmm looking for biggest bang for the buck. . stuff is crazy out of control where I am. $$$$$$
This topic is beat to death. The best answer I've come across is that if you shoot in a group, use what the group or discipline uses. PRS guys use MILs, F-Class use MOA. For hunting it doesn't really matter. I've shot both and prefer MILs as it just makes sense in my head more. For long range shooting, I'd rather have to count say 8.6 MILs for 1,000 yards instead of 29.25 MOA
