Mizuno JPX923 Forged vs JPX923 Hot Metal Pro

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Mizuno JPX923 Forged vs JPX923 Hot Metal Pro
Both Irons are the very much so a bridging set where golfers look at going either way depending on many different aspects of their game. Some need the extra help and think about moving to the Hot Metal, some want as much help as possible but want to know if they can get away with the Forged.
Which is more Forgiving, which launches the ball higher?
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@eldoprdr Год назад

Once again, another excellent comparison review! Thanks for doing this one, nobody does the testing like you do or gives the information and detail that matters to most of us. You also make it entertaining and interesting. We appreciate you for listening to us when we tell you what we’d like to see. I can’t imagine how it could be done better. Thanks again for all you’re doing! 🏌

@bobpetit2370 Год назад

Thank you, I’m getting fit into one of these two next weekend and this was a good comparison!

@stevereed5770 Год назад

I recently found your channel and have thoroughly enjoyed watching your in-depth reviews and evaluations. Being a big Mizuno fan, this one was especially interesting. Thanks for the great insights and content!

@AskGolfNut Год назад

Awesome, thank you! 👍

@ramsin6938 Год назад

Exactly the review I was after , thanks Jay.

@amo1966 Год назад

I can't ask for more than that, thanks Jay! These will be the two clubs I try at my next fitting.

@AskGolfNut Год назад

Glad you enjoyed the video 👍

@briandavidson2684 Год назад

Been waiting for this one.

@StevenSmith-dm7vu Год назад

The best in depth golf club reviewer on RU-vid bar none . Always informative .honest and entertaining

@johnwalsh1737 Год назад

Very interesting. I've assumed I'd be more suited to the hot metal pro, look forward to testing both of them at fitting to find out.

@loganboyd Год назад

I’ve already ordered the Forged 4-GW set but was waiting to see this comparison. I hit the HM Pro on 2 different days but did not hit them as well as the Forged and ultimately don’t need the extra distance as my 7i speed is around 87-89mph. Thanks for showing the miss hits too. Great data!

@anthonypalladino830 4 месяца назад

Really well done review! Thorough and insightful! 👍

@AskGolfNut 4 месяца назад

Thank you for the kind feedback! Glad you enjoyed the video 👍🏻

@black325ibeamer Год назад

Thanks Jay. Gonna check out the HM Pro’s.

@AnisurRahman-bc5xq 3 месяца назад

I find this channel as one of the best evidence based in depth analysis of different golf clubs. One to one comparisons are very effective for amateur golfers to understand the differences and similarities. I would love a one to one analysis between JPX 923 Forged and T150, if this is possible. Thanks

@patrickmundy1966 Год назад

I've tried the Mizuno 923 forged and hot metal and liked them both. I wound up buying a set of Mizuno 921 SEL (since I'm left handed) and love them and the more traditional lofts!

@nielsaxelsson Год назад

Again an excellent,relevant thorough test - thanks. I can definitely testify to the 923 HMP's forgiveness. I sometimes have what feels like terrible mishits, and i just don't pay the bill - the HMP's saves my behind almost every time 😍. It sometimes almost feels a bit like cheating 😅 There is plenty good feel in these, and I love the looks and forgiveness, so I'm happy to leave the Forged to the überconsistent ballstrikers for marginally nicer feel but less forgiveness - for my game it's HMP 😃

@MrMatthew262 Год назад

Thanks for review. Your findings seem exactly in line with the engineering and marketing of the two clubs. Forged is for the better player who wants some of the technology of the hot metal line but in a players package. The HMP is perfect for the middle handicapper who wants a better looking and feeling GI iron. Both great options from Mizuno. I’m one of those with my game on the fence of both of these irons so very hard to make a decision 😅 I’m actually similar to what you mentioned how I prefer a more compact blade than the HMP because it seems narrowed focus on making good contact, but the forgiveness and ease of play of the HMP are hard to ignore. it’s still a very nice shape for a GI iron.

@markwest9119 Год назад

Thank you Jay! Very grateful for how you put so much thought and effort into providing the most helpful and thorough information your subscribers need when looking to make a choice between these two irons. Looks like a couple of incredible irons from Mizuno either way. Very impressed with the slightly higher peak height and steeper decent angle on the HMP with the 1.5-degree stronger loft. Same standard deviation on carry and very close standard deviation on total distance. Still very good spin and combine that with the edge on forgiveness (and great feel for a game improvement iron) I'm happy to have my choice of JPX923 HMP confirmed for what I was looking for in an iron. I have a request. The Srixon ZX MKII utility iron ("2" iron with 18-degree loft) is getting a lot of high marks in reviews. I would be very interested if you compared that Srixon to the JPX923 HMP and HM 4 iron (19-degree loft so only 1 degree weaker than the Srixon). I think a lot of JPX923 owners (or considering buying) would be interested as well.

@AskGolfNut Год назад

Hi Mark, generally worries me how many golfers still buy 4 irons and less when most don't have the speed to make them functional. Really only very very few golfers have the speed to use them properly or have specific requirements for use of them. I can remember reviewing the Mizuno Pro Fli Hi 2 iron. That thing was an utter monster but had zero chance of going into a par 5 green with any form of understanding where it would end 😊 a pattern unfortunately with irons that have now been basically redesigned as only real use from the tee 😕 Thanks for your very kind words and feedback 👍

@robertbencangey6207 Год назад

Another outstanding review! I went with the Forged. Easy to adjust loft and lie being forged with better feel and looks! Forgiving for a single billet forged iron. In my experiences cast clubs rarely ever come out exact specs from production and after bending (if they don’t crack) go back to the original specs.

@CharlieBeaton-w7r 3 дня назад

What’s your handicap? And as a 14 do you think I could play them?

@AnisurRahman-bc5xq 3 месяца назад

I find this channel as one is the best evidence based in depth analysis of different golf clubs. One to one comparisons are very effective for amateur golfers to understand the differences and similarities. I would love a one to one analysis between JPX 923 Forged and T150, if this is possible. Thana’s

@AskGolfNut 3 месяца назад

Thanks for the very kind feedback. I would love to be able to do the comparison however I still don't have access to the Titleist range so haven't been able to do either reviews or comparisons with the Titleist irons 😕 I'm hoping one day they make it much easier for people to contact them 🤷👍🏻

@BrettWaldemar Год назад

I appreciate the amount of work you put into these analyses! I wonder if these two clubs would make for a good blended set (If I need a bit more forgiveness on my long irons).... or are they too similar?

@sloswingspeed9535 Год назад

Jay…in the States, Miz has improved hitting their own lie* specs considerably. I measure every head and every set I receive. Given the depth of your data, you might include :…lie*; total club weight ; and SW in your test club specs. Further, if you want to understand the ‘swinging ‘ differences, get a Golf Mechanix MOI unit which measures rotational differences, and is essentially length squared X mass (g). Given your desire for 2* up, vs what your hitting…I’d expect to see hard draws with std lie*…vs 2* up. But no…in the hole ! Awesome ( assuming the lie * is std at 61.5*)…

@lorimeyers3839 Год назад

Yeah my 921 Forged 8-9 irons feel so buttery soft but the 4-7 irons feel very springy and fast. I guess you can say they feel forged, but they feel a lot different than the 1025E short irons.

@billedgar7645 Год назад

Great review. Considering the hm pro with graphite shaft (75 yrs old, 10.7 index).

@jsiravo07 Год назад

6 HCP. i have both. did a combo set 4,5,6 HMP and 7-Gw forged. all with true temper s400. both are amazing! very happy with the purchase.

@AskGolfNut Год назад

Loft adjusted they are perfect for running a blended set. Hope you enjoy your new purchase 👍

@clientbuilding8737 Год назад

I’m looking at the same thing. Did you adjust any of the lofts? If so, which ones? What is your normal 7i carry? Thanks, Ric

@StuMarston 2 месяца назад

This guy is the person to watch if you're thinking of buying clubs.

@AskGolfNut 2 месяца назад

Thanks Stu for the kind feedback 👍🏻

@brettlarsen3893 Год назад

Looking forward to utilizing all your tutilage in the next few days. My preference would be an ultra aggressive blended set of JPX HMP/Forged/Tour (5,6/6,7/8,9,P,A). Will also hit the new Srixons and Ping 230, and MP line. Thanks for all you do for us mortals!

@AG7L19 Год назад

I'm thinking the same, did you ever try something like this out?

@brettlarsen3893 Год назад

@@AG7L19 I did. I pick them up tomorrow; HMP 5,6 / Forged 7-A; Edel wedges 54* & 58*. Gapping session tomorrow

@ryanlogue1118 4 месяца назад

@@brettlarsen3893 How did you end up liking this set?

@bradthompson460 Год назад

I’d love to see the comparison of the HM Pro to the Callaway Paradigm.

@acemakerjay Год назад

Great analysis Jay. Well done. I wonder if these can be blended together.

@AskGolfNut Год назад

Definitely, most common blend is 4 to 6 in HMP 1 degree weak and then 7 to PW Std Loft 👍

@arturogonzalez-arquieta7882 2 месяца назад

I am 66 years old and my swing speed is slow. I bought a set of Hot Metal Pros with Modus 105 shafts and simply could not hit them. I changed the shafts to DG 95 and I could hit them much better, but I was still having trouble getting the 6 iron (25 degrees of loft) in the air and some problems with the 7 iron too. I read in many articles that strong lofted irons are not for slow swing speed players. So I got rid of the Pros and got a set of 223 instead. I could not be happier. I hit them very well despite my slow speed and find them very forgiving.

@CharlieBeaton-w7r 3 дня назад

What does the mean you got 225,do you mean forged or Hot metals?

@johnvivian6300 Год назад

I purchased the forged. I like the feel better, and I control the height better. I was fit outside vy a Mizuno rep.

@CharlieBeaton-w7r 3 дня назад

What’s your handicap?

@markyboy67 Год назад

Fantastic review of these irons 👍👍. I currently play the Mizuno Pro 225’s. Really like them. How did you find the HM Pro vs the MP 225 ?

@AskGolfNut Год назад

Hi Mark, I've got a video on that very thing. About a week ago or so 👍

@devbenson7747 Год назад

Hi Jason on the forged is it only 8 to gap that is forged or are they all forged also does this also apply to the 821 forged which I currently game? Cheers

@billybastar4022 Год назад

It would be useful if you could also include shots of the club at address, and in comparison at address. Especially when you are stating differences. I’m a top line wonk, and need to see a near butter knife to calm me into my happy place.

@darrenlee3378 Год назад

Is a Mizuno vs Srixon review possible! I love to get your thoughts on this comparison especially with your method of charting mishits heal and toe hits.

@AskGolfNut Год назад

Hi Darren, I'm trying to get my hands on the Srixon heads to test then and do compares... If I manage to get hold of them I will, definitely do full reviews and compares 👍

@petegalindez9961 Год назад

Great review…was hoping your review would be in the scoring clubs as that’s where the changes are more apparent and I’m looking to possibly replace my pros with the forged from 8-PW…Not sure how you are able to hit those when they’re 2 degrees too flat…I had my JPX 923 Pros bent 2 degrees upright and now hit them great. Before that, everything was right, clubface open, etc…

@AskGolfNut Год назад

They're basically 4 degrees too flat 😁 must say that it does take some time to work the loft straight. Much easier when you have lies which match and no extra compensations need to be made 👍 Glad you enjoyed the video 👍

@petegalindez9961 Год назад

@@AskGolfNut Yup…Much like you, I can’t hit big headed clubs…I think I was the last of my friends to go to a 460cc driver…and just can’t hit the game improvement clubs to save my life…my other gamers are T100S irons which I love…but like to mix it up a bit…the 923 Pros are great, but they do feel a bit on the big side for me…

@chucklucas8747 Год назад

I have jpx hot metal chrome molly what a great club I have 4 friends who went to Mizuno clubs an none of regret it I would like to see Mizuno make a lower price putter 350.00 is a lot money for a putter

@dallastimebandits Год назад

I went with the pro's, you hit any club in center of face and it'll feel like butter. I can always use forgiveness

@garylucas7050 Год назад

Hi jay bit random but going back to pingG430 driver LST v MAX …. LIKE THE D8STANCE OF THE LST but like the security of the MAX do you think there is any benefit to crank down loft on the MAX to 7.5 deg to gain extra distance ….great content as usual keep up the good work…..p.s also looking to get the Mizuno hm pro’s 👌🏻

@AskGolfNut Год назад

Definitely if you can make the loft and launch work at 7.5 degrees on a Max head then why not grab as much stability as possible with as much distance as possible 👍

@FrugalFixerSpike Год назад

Recorded my swing, seen some things to fix. I am leaning toward high launch and pro mix. Jay, have you tested the Ping chip r? I just did, mistake proof almost!

@AskGolfNut Год назад

Never need a chipr in the simulator 😁

@FrugalFixerSpike Год назад

Jay I play courses on mine, it comes in handy! A lot more consistent than a wedge for me. I hit balls and learn so much, but I love just playing, especially the par 3’d. The Garmin r10 reads it well too!

@FrugalFixerSpike Год назад

I sent you email, did you get it? Subject line power leaks

@AskGolfNut Год назад

Yes, sorry I've been so busy with things. Lots of important family situations that's been happening and with a heavy workload. I'm so behind on emails so I have to apologise for not having got back to you already 🤦

@dhtmo Год назад

Jay, i'm a 14 hcp needing to replace my trusty MP53's. Would a blended set need much loft adjustments??

@AskGolfNut Год назад

Probably not too much, depending on your requirements, lets say its 4-PW, I'd go 4,5,6 HM (Pro) but 1 degree Weak and then Std Loft the Forged 👍

@denaeraewyn Год назад

If you were doing a fitting for yourself based on the hm pro specs that you're using. Your startline is still very good even though you're 4*flat. Would you adjust lie angle even though you're startline is good and your not losing the ball right. Thanks and great videos.

@AskGolfNut Год назад

Very much so, in having to manipulate delivery to try and hit target. By bending then to suit I could then swing normally and gain a little extra in consistency 👍 saying that though at my speed having a 28.5 degree 7 iron would mean larger than ideal distance gaps so I'd go Forged and even then possibly with weakened lofts 👍

@clientbuilding8737 Год назад

What about blending a set with these 2 models? 5 - 7 HMPro (weaken the 7i to 29.5) and the 8 to GW in Forged. Your thoughts, Ric

@AskGolfNut Год назад

That's exactly what I would do Ric to try and keep all as close to default spec as possible 👍

@joelane2845 Год назад

Jay, I saw the JPX 923 Hot Metal Pro stops at the PW which is at 42.5 degrees of loft. If I wanted to add another pitching wedge and a gap wedge, would you lean towards the JPX 923 Forged or New S23 wedges? Which of those 2 options is more forgiving in the PW & GW ? Thanks, Joe

@AskGolfNut Год назад

Hi Joe, really at this amount of loft, the physical loft is the most forgiving part. Some people still pedal the myth surrounding bladed wedges being hard to hit and leff forgiving than cavity back wedges..... Where in essence due to the high lofts the left right stability that a traditional game improvement design gives actually works more in the vertical plane, this then nullifies it's very purpose. I'd personally go for which one you need strike point wise (S23 has a much more centred middle where other wedges tend to be heel biased) 👍 Thanks for the comment and for watching 👍

@joelane2845 Год назад

@@AskGolfNut Thank you Jay! I assume for overall playability, versatility and feel around the greens that the S23 pitching wedge and gap wedge would be a better fit than the 923 Forged for completing a set of the JPX 923 Hot Metal Pro irons? Thoughts? Thanks again! Joe P.S. I am waiting for the New P790 and Titleist T 200 irons to come out before I buy the JPX Hot Metal Pro irons. I want to compare all 3.

@golfish8589 Год назад

In the 921 and 923 sets. Which lofts are actually made from chromolly? I have hit the 923 hotmetal 7 iron and g430 seven iron. 923 is definitely softer. But I think the 8-gw are a different material. I may not even get a 4,5, or 6 Iron

@davidfletcher6836 Год назад

It’s only the forged that the composition changes the hot metal are chromoloy throughout

@user-rh1nh2bu4o 6 месяцев назад

Trouble with fitting i got its just using a 7 iron and not sure i would be the same with a 5 iron. I am a 16 handicap golfer and have also always used bladed clubs . I am 70 yrs age and playing for 50years and with my old mizuno mp60 irons have proble s with 5 iron though perhaps due to lack confidence as seldom seem to give it sucha good swing as with shorter clubs. Thinking of getting jpx 923 forged irons but pity cant try 5 iron. I seem to hit 7 iron around 15yrds further with jpx 923 forged compared to old mizuno mp60 using 7 iron.

@GRIFF22 Год назад

I'd combo these. Mizuno offer loft adjustment. I'd probably go Hot Metal all the way to the 6 iron and then 7 -PW forged

@AskGolfNut Год назад

They can tweaky tweaky a little in the lofts, both sides moving to the other. My problem were the 2 degrees FLAT Media Samples 😀

@iiredeyeiiredeye1569 Год назад

4120 chromoly is a much tougher material less prone to cracking. My guess is they can use a much thinner face and create more of a trampoline effect from the face without it cracking. They probably don't do it with the shorter irons because distance control would be more uniform with the thicker faced 1025.

@AskGolfNut Год назад

That and loft deflection becomes the biggest driving factor in the technology not working to propel the ball forward than just upwards. What would be interesting is if they can make these new Chromoly materials as crazy springy as they are but then coat them with copper underlay to gain some nice feel.... Saying that, no one needs any excuses to raise prices any more 😊🤦😊

@joelane2845 Год назад

Jay, The Mizuno HM Pro is more forgiving than the Ping i230 correct?

@AskGolfNut Год назад

I would say you are right yes, but it's probably not a fair fight as the i230 is a smaller less distance inspired iron, but like for like I would agree 👍

@arturogonzalez-arquieta7882 11 месяцев назад

Great video. Do you use a ten finger grip?

@AskGolfNut 11 месяцев назад

I prefer to call it 8 fingers and 2 thumbs 😊 but yes 😊👍🏻

@nateprice999 Год назад

I have the HMP and my distance control is an issue. Ill often fly my 8 and 9 iron over the green. I’m talking 15-20 yards too far. It’s infuriating because I’ll hit a second ball and it’s right where it should be. Distance control is a major issue for me

@AskGolfNut Год назад

Hi Nate, thanks for the comment. Flying the green by that amount I bet is more than mildly frustrating. Good news is that its not a massively expensive problem to fix as it's not an equipment issue (so no need to purchase brand new clubs 😊). This amount can only be from either strike based differences or delivered loft differences, or a mix of both. If you have a video of your swing, one from down the line and one face on view and you email it to askgolfnut@gmail.com I'd be happy to give it a once over to see if there are any glaringly obvious things you should know 👍 Thanks for the comment and for watching 👍

@divotdigger247 Год назад

Does anyone know what the “badge” in the Forged (and HMP for that matter) is made from; is it plastic? And is it glued/epoxied in or is still welded or held in place mechanically somehow. I hate the idea of something plastic and glued to the back of the face…

@AskGolfNut Год назад

Task someone to get something sharp to test their brand new clubs for science 😊 not sure how many takers you'll get 😊 I'll await the community to return an answer 👍

@CarlKuzmich 9 месяцев назад

That you … now it’s time to head to the hitting bay

@suprand Год назад

Can’t seem to find if the jpx923 forged has more bounce than the pro 225

@AskGolfNut Год назад

If you look at the Mizuno website at the bottom of each iron section there is a full spec list 👍

@anthonygiuliano6574 Год назад

Compare the hm pro with Srixon Zx5 mkii!

@AskGolfNut Год назад

Trying to get my hands on the Srixons 👍

@whiteriverangler9670 4 дня назад

I just ordered these irons in the regular hot metal. It was between these or the TM QI's. I just could not for the life of me stand the sound of hitting the QI's. It was SO LOUD it was just disturbing and frankly they are so ugly. Was definietly happier with the Mizunos

@sagaciousid 10 месяцев назад

So, in conclusion, there is no difference between the 2 clubs… is what I understood from the numbers you showed.

@nathanriggle3261 9 месяцев назад

The pro isn’t cast

@AskGolfNut 9 месяцев назад

Hi there, the Pro is a cast mold that is made in China along with the other hot metal models, the Forged, Tour and all the Miz Pro irons are made in the Forging facility in Japan 👍🏻