Model X, e-tron, I-Pace and EQC charging comparison 

e-tron 10-80% in 26 minutes, 234 km added EPA, 9 km in 1 minute EQC 10-80% in 38 minutes, 247 km added EPA estimate, 6,5 km in 1 minute I-Pace 10-80% in 47 minutes, 264 km added EPA, 6 km in 1 minute Model X 10-80% in 47 minutes, 367 km added EPA, 8 km in 1 minute

To think that 2 years ago everyone was moaning that EVs would never improve. Bjorn is now presenting that the bar has been raised!

Omg Björn you are awesome describing 4 charging screens at once. I was laughing so much! Thanks you

Amazing charging speed. That's something I can dream about with my Zoe.

Bjorn can you make a video of these cars adding 300km of range starting at 10% battery? Calculate what SOC would be 300km of range over a 10% minimum for each car and then show how long it takes all 4 of these cars to add that much in range!

You deserve a cowboy hat and play with the big boys.

See you at the next cattle auction Bjørn:-)

7:59 with 2x speed is pure joy

Finally a video to make me feel good about my old pre-raven Model X, until Tesla decides to upgrade the battery pack with Plaid Powertrain.

What matters is what happens on trip like your 1000kms tests, we know that etron and X are equal and others a little slower but nothing to cry over

I choose battery health over charging speed any day of the week. We will have to wait and see what the degradation is like with these other EV’s

System error: Me stopped working due to stack overflow. Cannot process comparison.

More exciting than a soccer match :p

Hmm what if they cut into the battery's buffer more and that's what helped the Raven motors gain all that extra range.

Yes good video. I also have seen the Taycan charge, and that’s just crazy. But yes 100-150 is a good speed for the big batteries if you want a lunch. Thanks for the comparison

I love your comment on the race of EV's charging, just like a sports journalist, perfect! :D :D :D

Its so good to see you back in the optimus prime studio. Best looking "studio" so far!

perhaps you should charge each car for 30 minutes and see which one goes farthest.

I wonder if e-tron will have alot of battery degradation after a few years, due to the high charging speed.

That was an f-ing awesome video :D af ew more vids like this and you'll be on the same level as the texan commentator, Bjorn! Looking forward to see the next video where efficiency will be also taken into account cuz the charging (percentage and speed) alone is not enough to understand these three unique EVs. I am also curious to see how well the battery SoH of the e-tron and the EQC will keep up after years! Fun times to be around! :)

Yes, Model3 pack is a format change and pack redesign. However, the 100 pack is not quite 2012 tech. After adding some stuff to the 85 pack to turn it into a 90...the did do a redesign for the 100 pack. They called it 'version 3 pack design' if I remember correctly. So it is 2015 ish tech 😉. Model 3 like performance or better is probably available in S and X with Plaid powertrain.

Also look at EPA MPGe highway and city. If you lower your speed from EPA highway (75 mph) to a 65 or 55 mph the range will ramp up better in some of these cars than in others.

Great video and I did not know that rattling numbers can be so entertaining. But like a lot of others have asked for the charging time for 100km, 200km and 300km load would be great.

Bjorn I think it is time to start comparing EV's charging little bit differently. Percentage doesn't mean anything and also kW of charging rate alone doesn't say much to normal people. All that matters is relation between EV's consumption and charging rate....this says how much range you get in certain amount of time.

Time to add 250, 300, 350km WLTP from 10% SOC may be the most fair metric.

I'm interested in the relative battery degradation rates. It'll be a few years before we can judge that, of course....

Yes, please do make a follow up with added km / time, and please calibrate it to km range at 120 km/h (the most common speed that folks drive on the longer trips where HPC use is most relevant). Worth calculating for 15, 20, 25 minutes, 30 and perhaps 45 minutes and 1 hour (full meal break). Cheers.

I'm actually genuinely surprised that the Model X was the slowest charging of the four.

Thanks Bjorn, excellent video, both informative and entertaining with your horsing around.

EQC is a bit underwhelming with such a big battery buffer (94kWh only 80kWh usable) it should be able to charge as fast as an etron. The 90% SoC is actually only 76% of the battery capacity.

Thanks for the Video. It shows that for today, we have more Options than only Tesla when it comes to the Question if other EVs are capable to do long trips with it. Go ahead, Björn. In you words: "Das ist guut" :)

Björn, just calculate times to 100km range, 200km range and 300km range when starting at 10%SoC. That will give us a real world situation set of numbers when traveling and commuting.

We'll have to see how the batteries the cars with the flatter charging curve hold up over time. Tesla has been awesome in preserving range over a long car life, but the others...? It's easy to make a battery charge fast. It's hard to do it 100 times and still have good range.

"its not even fun to see how fast the model 3 charges" literally me ar my first supercharging stop >getting home late >would be cutting it close so i decide to top up at SuC >plugs in -> goes to mc Donalds for a small cup of coffe well .. i endet up increasing the charge limit to 90% since from 15 to 80% charging was faster than me getting a single cup of coffe and go use the bathroom that really blew my mind how insane that was (i mean it was still 20 minutes .. but there where only 2 people in front of me to get coffe and still the car easily beat my "refuel speed")

So finally, when E-tron reaches 100% and you can go on with your travel, you have an advantage of around 22 Minutes(in that Time you can charge the Audi again in a second stop from 10-70%, which is around 200km of range) until the Model X arrives only 90% of his capacity. On the other side, if you would stop charging the Tesla, the EQC and the I-Pace at the same time as the Audi, which one would come further with his amount of energy? E-Tron will run 300 km with this amount of energy. How far wil the other ones come with their loaded 55kWh, 64 and 65 kWh + 10% of Capacity which was inside the Battery when they started to charge? From my experience I would think the Tesla would also run 300 km with a average consumption of 25 kWh/100 km. But I would think the Merc and the Jag will not run further as max. 220 - 250 km. So it is equal between the Audi and the Tesla.

Very good video ... is really interesting to see how the charging behavior of each car is.

They manage the charging completely different. Now, it would be interesting to see if those differences are going to have an impact on the battery life or not.

Funny episode Bjorn 😂👍

A graph of cumulative KWh added to the battery on the Y axis and time on the X axis would be the best comparison in my opinion.

What we need is to know which car in each segment charges fastest in terms of range rather than KW. Like you say. E-tron charges fast.. but how much range does it get?

Next test: Audi e-tron vs TMX Raven with a camper. :) I think the Audi will be ahead already at the 500 km mark then.

In the UK, the rapid chargers that the EQC, I-Pace and e-tron can take advantage of are few and far between. Tesla Supercharging network still best as far as availability is concerned. Probably says more about the state of the UK than anything else!

When is the Porsche Taycan Turbo S 1000km challenge happening?

I guess if the ID 3 with the biggest Battery Pack performs in charging like the etron than it maybe could beat the Model 3 in a 24h race

At the end etron added 51KWh, eqc 69, ipace 68 and modelx x 75kwh.

Great horse racing comments ;-) Very interesting but it is easier to compare them with the 1.000 km challenge. My conclusion: all this vehicles are good enough. Their successors will be great.

Yes indeed we enjoyed it! You should consider a second career as sportcommentator! And please make that follow-up video. Or even better, calculate the kW:s into km charged, how many kilometers will be added every minute at the chargeingstation.

If I understand what you told, and if you're right (yes, a lot of "if"), the Model X only need to charge to 75% to have the same range than the E-tron, at 100% right ? Well, in this case, thy're pretty close, but the E-tron still wins. Just a minute ahead, yes, but still !

But what are the miles/Km added along the way? You’re actually putting way more miles on the Raven pack in the same span of time.

Great video as always and hilarious with the auctioneer comparison 😆

Would be nice if you had a list with time and average chargingpower during the whole 10-90% session for every car. And also include the average km pro stunde charging speed, based on each car 90km/h rangetest.

Hah! With the commentary, it was like watching a horse race. I think Bjorn has invented a new sport. :)

8:35 the Etron and the model x are charging at the same speed yet model x says is putting 747km/h while the etron says around 600km/h how is this possible if they are charging at the same speed? I advise not using the onboard computer and use an outside device. The mode x keeps dropping at charging speed but continues to say that is putting more km/h than the etron can someone explain or is something fishy happening here?

8:00.. daaayyyym, you sound like a proper sports commentator :D

I got to 142 kW on a 150 SuC (Dietikon, Zurich) with my 2017 MS 100D... So I think the peak is higher than the 140 kW you mentioned ;) I can provide you a picture of it.

Charging speed comparison for model 3 and other small cars. Thanks

4:18 something is not right the raven is charging at 57kw while the 100d is at 60kw but the raven is saying that is putting the equivalent to 308km/h while the 100d says 277. How is it possible to charge slower but supposedly puts more km? Could you use a different device to see the charging speeds instead of the onboard computer?

The CCS maintains a faster charge rate beyond 50%, but supercharger seems to fall off. Does the same happen on V3 superchargers, or has the issue been fixed now ? I usually start around 15% and end charging around 80%.

wow, i have a gooooood laught about the fast talking. Bjørn is talking like a Ninja.

Wow I need to lie down in a darkened room for half an hour and recover after all that excitement! Strangely gripping. The math is not quite right as Bjorn points out, 450km in the Raven vs. 350km in the others is a huge 28% advantage. Or take about 1 third off the Raven charging time to compare like with like? Also the e-tron when showing 100% is not really at 100% (it's about 88%) so it is a "false positive" and also needs to be considered when looking at the ipace and the Mercedes.

Can you do a comparison between the cars on which car gives the most home Cinema feel when watching movies on Netflix on the car. Which car loads faster over an LTE Router and which consumes the least energy per movie when letting the HVAC running :)

@Bjørn, if you look to the kwh you will see that all cars pretty the same fast till EQC is to 90% he has chargeed 68,9kWh the Model X has the same 68kWh in time, i pace struggled a lot he has as well nearly 67.9kWh charged, but the question is how much kWh has charged the e-tron by the 100%??? Model X has changed at 90% 79kWh after one Hour. You Charged the E-tron at the 1000km at the first stop you charged nearly 51kWh after 21 minutes the display shows 78% after this time the e-tron has charged 5kWh more as the other one's!

can\t wait for the Porsche Taycan video

Waiting for the km/hr charge rate comparison. Percentage is not that important :) And you should start from 50km range left, not 10% state of charge.

My personal thoughts are that since tesla has a lot of years of data on these batteries they have decided that this is a good curve to maintain the battery at good health. It would be nice to charge faster but for me I'll rather have this setup than a dead battery in 5 years. Not saying this will happen in the other batteries, they are most likely designed otherwise but I'd take longevity over speed if that is indeed why they throttle it so fast. As usual, good shit Bjørn :)

Thanks for the hilarious video Bjorn. And as a fanboi I second the notion for a distance of range added per time rematch :-)

Whoever designed Audi’s charging graphic obviously doesn’t realize how large the battery pack is.

Why does people charge their cars? In order to get range! km/min is the best comparison for me, because range(km) and time (min) are the units which are of interest in daily use. A comparison would be a heater in your house. If you have a heater which uses 100kw (theoretically) and your house 🏡 needs 1h to have ambient temperature or you have a heater which uses 50kw and your house is at ambient temperature in 50min. Important is when your house is warm and not how much power the heater has 😅

E-tron is schnell.

e tron is very impressive!!

Bjørn, you're assuming there is a "charging curve" embedded in the BMS of these cars. I have huge doubts that that is the case at least in the Tesla: With recent software on a 2019 pre-raven Long Range (100D) I have seen very different data points on a SoC/Power curve on the same car, in similar conditions. For example, in two consecutive days I have had a difference of 46% of charging power at 50% SoC: one day 90kW, the next day at 132kW, with the same conditions: external temperature, driving style to SuC, etc. The main difference was the starting SoC which suggests that cell temperature is very relevant on the throttling/taper control of the BMS, as cells will heat up during high-C charging, but protection from unbalancing could also be involved. I would speculate that charging power is tuned by the BMS by a lot more parameters than just SoC: temperature is certainly part of the parameters, not only average Temperature on the pack, but probably also module by module. Module and cell voltage balance is probably also relevant for the BMS control of charging Power. So, as these are chemical processes on literally thousands of cells there will be significant variability, and the "charging curve" represented by SoC to Pwr is only a very rough aproximation of the real "curve" that will depend on multiple, probably tens or even hundreds of parameters, impossible to represent graphically. So, the same car will go through very different curves depending on how cells specifically react to that charging session. Extrapolating to the other cars I recon there is probably a similar effect although BMS algorithms are probably simpler than Tesla's at this point of their development curve.

please do the 1000 km challenge with Model 3 SR+

I peaked at 146kW on a 150kW Supercharger with an S100D (2019 but pre Raven)

Only @bornnyland could make charging fun lol

What ‘d find interesting to find out, on a long journey, you could make a lot of time by charming 20-30 minutes and to to next stations, keep doing same charge before it tapers. What would be interesting is that according to these numbers, Enron would be able to get there faster? Would be an interesting test to so something like see. Which car gets from A to B in a longish range situation (1000km?) By charging 25 mins. Again, according to these numbers Enron would do it, but I’d have some range anxiety with Enron in longer rangers (I.e., if I were to travel from where I live in Salt Lake CIty to Florida, one of the segments includes a trip of around 205 or so miles in pretty mountainous terrain. Would the Enron make it? Not likely. SO it be nice in that case to have a Tesla or EQC (or even I-pace?) that you could say, Okay, I’ll stay 1 hour at this station, top it off to lets say 90%, and the keep going to next point. Just a thought. (BTW, the 205 Is Miles no Km, though I used Km earlier, and the 204 is the EPA rating for Enron... in miles)

Does the higher efficiency of the Raven make up for the slower charging speed?

e-tron pack in a car the size of the Model 3 would be phenomenal, the future is bright. Imagine 500km real range added in 40min.

Great video! Can you do the same test showing KM instead of %?

Another great video Bjorn, thank you!

you should compare charging speeds starting with 30% charge - That might be more real world as I don't think most people will run the batteries to 10%

Great work Bjorn.

It's not really accurate as one MX is using CCS and the other SC, both would need to be tested using either CCS or SC to have a fair result, we dont know how the difference in charging methods could change things. Still a good example of the different cars tho

The thing is ... at 88%, the eTron output is 354Km/h (84KW/h), while Tesla is 357Km/h with much slower input (66KW)... so I don't really think that a face-to-face comparison can be done ... I think the best is, at a given time (maybe 30min?) how many km can we drive for each battery and not focus that much on the input current that each battery can hold... no?

The takeaway for me.. my car charges the fastest, and discharges the fastest >.

Excellent

Model 3 LR and Taycan are superior when you measure time needed to get certain range while charging.

Thanks your Videos are Great

Yes make a vid of fastest to charge to a range of 400km

He talking almost like fast as they on the TV show "Storage Wars" on Discovery Channel

I wonder how many charging cycles the E-tron can keep up that charging rate up for. I suspect the Battery is gonna degrade way faster than Model X. Therefore, impressive initial results, but I expect to see these cars selling for material cost value in 5 years.

@Bjørn please Film the e-tron again, but the next time Film the Display from the charger, to see how many kWh he will get. Thank you!

Fun comparison

Very interesting. Thank you.

I'd rather have the peace of mind of longer battery life than the 15 min. saved on the rare occassions of a long trip.

I thought raven could hit 200 kW on the V3? has anyone taken a Raven to Vegas?

Why no one is talking about this? Battery warranty: Model X - unlimited km Competitors - 160k km

53KW at 90% surprisingly fast. Man in 2030: 53KW? What a shame, this is so slow. 😂😂

Hi, to me the conclusion is missing. Interesting is finally: how many kms of range (motorway speed, 130ish) does each of these cars regain per 1/2h of charging (optimal) of per hour (maximal)? Cos' one doesn't fast charge and count to the minute for their daily charging, but it turns really more important for long trips, then probably on the motorway. Also then, you would try and optimize, hence stop around ... 70, 80%, depending on the car.... Could you please do the calc with your consumption measurements and repost the video? Thanks and greetings from South of France

Bjorn Yoder

Don't forget to mention that most charging occurs at home, overnight.