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MoFi Sourcepoint 10 Loudspeaker: What Did You Expect????  

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@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab Год назад
SUBSCRIBE AND LIKE THIS VIDEO If you want me to keep being REAL and to keep bringing more affordable electronics in the future. Thanks !
@dieselphiend
@dieselphiend Год назад
You might want to shadowban me, Jay. Jay simply doesn't have enough reference points on this particular spectrum to be very helpful. He said that $3,700 speakers aren't designed to compete with $25k speakers, and that they shouldn't be compared, and yet goes on to do little more than compare them. It's like a paradoxical appeal to wealth. Audiophilia is a subjective disease. It's many levels down into Plato's Cave of subjectivity. I can sum up this entire "review"- "The way all of the various outlets and personalities paint these speakers, is as a giant killer, but I'm here to tell you folks that $3,700 speakers will never compete with the likes of $26,000 and $42,000 speaker's!! If that's what you were expecting, I'm here to tell you folks, my level of knowledge, and expertise, because of the hundreds of thousands of dollars I have spent, makes my (opinion) superior to your opinion! Trust me folks, I wouldn't spend hundreds of thousands of dollars if I wasn't perfectly right. Cheap, Chinese speakers will never compete with speakers that could purchase your house." No one in the entire world, on any website, anywhere, said these would compete with speakers in these price brackets. Your consciousness perceived it that way because you feel as if your space, your special audio space in your head, felt encroached upon. No one wants to feel like they've been ripped off, and we will do mental gymnastics in our heads to insure we never feel that way. I say all this because he never even reviews the speakers. It's as if he's never even heard of words like soundstage, separation, depth, presence, transparency, imaging, airy, accurate, attack, bass, treble, and etc.. He's literally just here to tell us he has better equipment than us. This man is so trapped in Plato's Cave, he'll never get out. If he really wanted to prove something more, he'd measure them, objectively, and explain in clear English, how flat, or non-flat, the response curve is.. Does he even care about measurements? Doesn't seem like it. We have measurement equipment that is superior to the human ear in ever logical way. That's the problem with subjective opinions- they are entirely subjective. I seriously wouldn't care about any of this if he actually had alternatives in this price bracket that he has A/B'ed that he thought were better, but he doesn't- $26k speakers are his reference point, and he wants us all to know it. What we're dealing with here is Jay justifying his expectations to us. The funny thing about it all is, I bet I could easily fool him in a blind listening environment. The best measuring amplifier I know of in the world is like $1,000, though I think Benchmark might have recently upset it. The high end audio market is becoming democratized. It's almost to the point where we can't even measure the differences, even with the most precise equipment on earth, at least with regard to DAC's and amp's. Speakers will always be measurable. Poor man: does mental gymnastics in his head to convince himself that his $3,700 speakers sound like $42,000 speakers, and lives happily ever after. Rich man: does mental gymnastics in his head to convince himself that the poor man's $3,700 speakers will never sound like his $42,000 speakers. Plans on buying some $84,000 speakers because they cost twice as much so they must sound twice as good. If all you have to teach us is that a poor man, is not a rich man, and that poor people shouldn't even aspire to think they have it 'good', than what, exactly, are you reviewing? I really don't think people understand the niche that these speakers fill. Every batch MoFi makes sells out. You have to get in line to even purchase them unless you buy them from a third party. If you think I'm wrong, than I dare you to name an alternative. Name a large format bookshelf speaker with a 2" thick baffle, surrounded by 1" MDF designed by someone, anyone with more experience than Andrew Jones. I'll be waiting. Name anything that competes with, or outdoes these.
@JingoLoBa57
@JingoLoBa57 Год назад
You’re falling in his trap… Plato’s Cave. Buchardt are likely to be as good and then it’s personal taste. Oh…Tesla costs less and has far better performance than the Mustang, Nissan GTR and most other ICE cars.
@dieselphiend
@dieselphiend Год назад
@@JingoLoBa57 I have been known to dabble in the cave form time to time. I'm curious why you vote Buchardt? I am fond of the theory behind coaxial speakers. It just eliminates the problem of wave interference. You should probably listen to the MoFi speakers before passing judgement. People who think that China doesn't make world class audio equipment are living on another planet. If Western 'hifi' companies don't start paying attention. They're going to lose their shit.
@kenmcglown6642
@kenmcglown6642 Год назад
As mentioned, I recently had the opportunity to hear these in person at an audio show. At the show, I thought they sounded just wonderful, producing nice, pleasant, beautiful music that I personally enjoyed quite a bit. At the show, I got to hear several other affordable speakers (understanding that they were all in the more affordable, audiophile, bang-for-the-buck category) and they all sounded great in their own way. For some less well-heeled audiophiles out there, I could see how these MoFi speakers could be the perfect speaker for them. "Variety is the spice of life."
@carlosoliveira-rc2xt
@carlosoliveira-rc2xt Год назад
What aspect of the sound did you think they were better than the others?
@kenmcglown6642
@kenmcglown6642 Год назад
@@carlosoliveira-rc2xt I didn't try to dissect the sound of the many speakers and electronics that I heard in the multitude of rooms that I visited at the show. No time for that. Had to many rooms to visit. I simply listened to the overall presentations for a while and then moved on the the next room. As stated, I enjoyed the sound of the MoFi room quite a bit, as I did with some others in it's price range and beyond. Just that simple. Did I think the MoFi speakers were perfect? Of course not. None of them were. However, the MoFi speakers were very much delightfully and pleasantly nice sounding, indeed.
@FOH3663
@FOH3663 Год назад
@@hurkamur1 "anybody in their right mind thought they'd compete" Yes, they'd compete ... strongly. Well executed coax point source designs are capable of things a big cabinet multiway can't do. Retrieval of coherent reflected energy, ... lateral energy in particular. Plus there's no real minimum listening distance, as with bigger multi-ways. Coax wavelaunch propagates outward as a fully coalesced whole... not like a multi-way whereby the path length differences alter summation per direction. Thus, the real challenge is signal tracking, losses. Does the collection of transducers accurately track and recombine subjectively better or worse. One path of compromises vs. another's path of compromises. My opinion, the Source Point is the rare loudspeaker I'd blindly recommend regardless of one's room, listening distance, setup, music taste, two channel or multi-channel, subs no subs ... doesn't matter. How many loudspeakers check those boxes. This thing is a grand slam, backlash is perplexing.
@hurkamur1
@hurkamur1 Год назад
@@FOH3663 I went through and deleted some of the negativity I commented. A lot of work went into their design, and It's impossible to properly access something from a youtube sample. That said, although they sound good in the samples when paired with the integrated amplifier, they have a few obvious shortcomings, especially in the bass department. It would have been nice to hear a few more samples with his subwoofers included.
@FOH3663
@FOH3663 Год назад
@@hurkamur1 That's cool ... and all good. Re; supplemental subs ... there's only a handful of loudspeakers that aren't benefited by subs. A paper coax cone covering both vocals and bass, ... is a real challenge. I'm a proponent of subs regardless of mains size/capability.
@geir8849
@geir8849 Год назад
There are times a 4k$ speaker can sound better than a 40$ speaker, if the system match and synergy is great on the 4k$ it can be better. Sometimes more expensive equipment can be difficult to make work in some rooms. So many people that own expensive speakers have crap sound.
@tomkelly8680
@tomkelly8680 Год назад
I heard the speaker live at an audio show and it sounded good. No, it’s not a $44,000 speaker but I can’t afford a Wilson Sasha nor do I want to spend that kind of money. But the MoFi is a very good speaker for the price and with the right equipment is very enjoyable and satisfying.
@robk5745
@robk5745 Год назад
System synergy is always more important than the price of individual items, price is irrelevant in that regard. So, how’s you like them for 4K speakers? What were their strengths and weaknesses?
@GiguereSylvain
@GiguereSylvain Год назад
I think this video's point is to say, "you poor guys without money.. just look at me and dream about what I can afford.." period. Mean.
@kenbtheman
@kenbtheman Год назад
Well said Jay. What really gets me is when people say something is junk because it's inexpensive, most of the time without ever hearing it. I put them into to categories, snobs and dreamers. Either they have a 6 digit system and think a lesser priced system is below them, or they're armchair stereophiles with a 100 dollar system and they know everything. I've spent what I can afford in stereo equipment (around $8000) and I'm happy and thankful for what I have. I couldn't comment on these speakers because I've only seen pictures of them.
@sound-flies
@sound-flies Год назад
Mofi is junk for who they are not for what they make
@kenbtheman
@kenbtheman Год назад
@@sound-flies I agree, and if I was going to spend $3500 I believe there are a lot of better options
@dougg1075
@dougg1075 Год назад
I would buy them for the looks alone, then add a bad arse sub
@mambu5391
@mambu5391 3 месяца назад
Ejem. Speaker activos:)
@busylifechilllife4026
@busylifechilllife4026 Год назад
I am thankful for you reviewing these more affordable electronics. I always thought that your experience with high end equipment would give a great perspective on finding more affordable options that might not be giant killers but are better than there competition.
@joshuabrain9751
@joshuabrain9751 Год назад
Honestly for the price Imo they sound fantastic. People have to remember, the speakers Jay usually used are worth a hell of a lot more money than the Mofi’s. That being said I would love Jay to test the new Monitor Audio Platinum range, I think he would enjoy them a lot (relative to price point) based on what I know from what he’s had previously.
@Thesurreyaudiofiles
@Thesurreyaudiofiles Год назад
Thank you for the video jay 👍🏼 I think everyone appreciates why you done the video and everyone appreciates you doing the video to meet the audience requests 👍🏼
@martybousum1010
@martybousum1010 Год назад
Love your channel & your attitude!
@Tahitian58
@Tahitian58 Год назад
Bring it on Jay! Tell us these are awesome
@microteche
@microteche Год назад
Spot on, we sometimes forget there is reality and then there is what you want something to be. They are not always the same thing.
@hiresaudiocosta873
@hiresaudiocosta873 Год назад
I love the content of your channel because it’s high end. These people that complain about the cost of products, there are many, many many other RU-vid channels that cater to the more affordable products. Leave Jay alone and watch those channels. Thank you for doing this Jay.
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab Год назад
Thank you!
@j.m.harris4202
@j.m.harris4202 Год назад
Love you Jay, no matter what you bring in your Lab! Your Honesty and Humble Integrity mean more to me than you know! Thank you for your Hard Work on your Presentations!
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab Год назад
I appreciate that!
@josenebrus8183
@josenebrus8183 Год назад
I couldn't agree more 💯👍 Jay you are just one of a kind, thank you so much for everything you do and thank you for a wonderful presentation 😊 job well done ✅👍
@davidmcginnis2998
@davidmcginnis2998 Год назад
Well said!!
@dougg1075
@dougg1075 Год назад
I think the look of them is killer. Big time, I love em.
@codyhuber
@codyhuber Год назад
New to the channel. Lots of effort is being made to bring opinions to the masses from all directions/people/experience. That said I wish it was possible to mix hifi, science, money and fun without people loosing their minds:)
@lazman
@lazman Год назад
I agree with you!
@parvezshaikhul
@parvezshaikhul Год назад
Well said Jay shows the importance of Synergy.
@ScottsLifeOffGrid
@ScottsLifeOffGrid Год назад
I for one appreciate your honesty and being direct.
@signalfixer
@signalfixer Год назад
Jay your channel is great and I have been enjoying your commentary. You have some truths I agree with in this video as far as cost and audio. I am a budget DIY audiophile I have an $800 Dollar pair of Altec lancing Valencias and a pair of 6l6 ppp organ amplifiers 40w each for about $150 for both and I tell you this punches a lot higher than its dollar value. Many $$$ are needed to best this system to my ears and that is what I try to do in audio with these vintage components I don't try to compete with mega $$$$ systems I just try to enjoy the music. Cheers to you Jay....
@gadymarcus2362
@gadymarcus2362 Год назад
Magnifico.💎💎💎💎💎💎
@ianjohnhorwood2605
@ianjohnhorwood2605 Год назад
The real reality also is that even my two old British made AVI S2000MI class AB monoblocks made in 1997 which were £1000 each back then, still have better sound quality than the $15,000 ganfet class D amplifiers of today . It is for a fact that not every piece of audio equipment that is more expensive today has better sound quality than some audio equipment made in yesteryear. The reality also is you can only go so far with audio technology before it can start to sound like synthetic artificial sound quality and nothing like a natural realistic quality of sound. There are many types of differing sound quality audio systems that play audio in a completely different way of sound that we actually do not like. Some audio system sound like a real diffuse soft sound and veiled sound with a wide dispersion of diffuse sound imaging. My audio system is the complete opposite, is is the upfront revealing studio sound with resolution of detail with a naturalness of delivery rather than any ultimate categories of sound preferences in any other areas. And yes magico do have negative areas regarding sound they produce, no matter what amplification or source you use. And no not even the magico's will ever sound like a pair of large 3 way active ATC SCM ASL monitor loudspeakers. Yes we all have a preference for a particular way recorded music is portrayed. And yes this is just my opinion. Money spent and cost of audio equipment does not even come close as to the priority consideration verses the perceived sound you actually want to hear, No matter how much so called audio costs. 😊
@bigjay1970
@bigjay1970 Год назад
Amen!🤔😬
@tommybolduc3449
@tommybolduc3449 Год назад
Wow I can imagine what Robert Cray would sound like in your previous speakers have a good day thank you for your videos👍
@DigitalPhilosophers
@DigitalPhilosophers Год назад
What a wonderful speaker 🤩 Lively and tonally natural 🤩 and this holographic imaging 🤤👏
@douglasglanton4966
@douglasglanton4966 Год назад
You are right Jay that is why I am saving for the right system it's expensive but that what I want thank you for your channel
@silviosarunic3234
@silviosarunic3234 Год назад
High revealing electronics with cheap speakers = music on level of speaker itself. Good to know another great example about what good synergy is. Great video Jay Greetings from Croatia, Europe.
@mmdusa
@mmdusa Год назад
Preach brother, preach. Can't wait for your review.
@barneyrubble9309
@barneyrubble9309 Год назад
It's nice to get a view of the ultra high end as we'll never have the chance to hear them otherwise . It's also nice to hear if it's possible to get a sense of the high end at more affordable price. At no point would you expect these to compete with the high end but when it's hung on the end of a mega money front end, i would have expected it to sound way better than it did and to have least scaled better than it appears to. Based on your excellent demos, I think there are far better speakers out there at that price point.
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab Год назад
Ok
@marvinbolden6882
@marvinbolden6882 Год назад
@ barney rubble, how about naming those far better speakers at this price point so we can give them a listen.
@bjornganslandt37
@bjornganslandt37 Год назад
More interesting in comparison with Klisch 7 series. Where goes the limit for amplifier, to make this spiker to sound as it best? 👍
@puffdragon55
@puffdragon55 Год назад
you are right on point here thats why i watch you you are real ty bro
@kurthill7030
@kurthill7030 Год назад
At the end of the day it's about the music and All systems sound different that's why we all have different one's just enjoy the music 🎶🎶👍
@jazzlouise
@jazzlouise Год назад
Jay I like your quest to find more affordable speakers. I think it's easier to find good sounding expensive speakers than more affordable $6k to $10 offerings for example. On the other hand, I have heard higher end speakers $50k plus that I wouldn't own because their sonic signature didn't match my preference. There are probably some lesser know gems out there that are "more affordable" put not hyped in the magazines. I appreciate your effort to hopefully find them! All the best to you.
@stephenjacobi1653
@stephenjacobi1653 Год назад
What about the Paradigm Persona 9h, or the Founder 120h?
@jaysullivan9545
@jaysullivan9545 Год назад
Good job Jay keepin it real. It would be real interesting to try the Vandersteen 2ce Signature 3 in yer system for the same price if you are moving in a more affordable direction. Just sayin.
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab Год назад
Cool. You never know
@ricmech9128
@ricmech9128 Год назад
Jay, How many people in your survey actually listened to the Mofi's in person?
@zencinema3245
@zencinema3245 Год назад
Nice. More than a fair statement.
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab Год назад
Yep.
@DavidBorda-oz9mu
@DavidBorda-oz9mu Год назад
Environment and system matching trump individual component design or performance level. I’ve had 6 figure audio in my previous home and it sounded great. I have 5 figure audio in my current home and it equals or exceeds my other setups. Audio alchemy goes a long way baby! I’m sure I could make that SP10 speaker sing under the right circumstances. As Jay said, the only question is whether or not it can perform as well as it’s price point competition. JBL, Klipsch, Zu…a ton of great offerings available 😊
@williamhicks2763
@williamhicks2763 Год назад
I’d like you to review the Marin Logan Motion XT F100 or F200. I really need something that can do double duty with home theater and 2 channel music but the catch is I simply do not have the space, even in a fairly large room, to place the speakers out into the room more than a foot or two. I’m wondering if the downward firing port would help with placement. And mainly I’d like your opinion on how they sound for the price. Really enjoy your honest take on your reciew.
@Prometheus1979
@Prometheus1979 Год назад
Here’s the thing, I don’t think anyone in their right mind would think these speakers could match or out do high end speakers. Cheaper, more affordable audio gear is getting so good now its getting harder to justify high end. I’m not being a hater just keeping it real.
@stevenichols5708
@stevenichols5708 Год назад
I think Jay's point will make more sense when he has other 3500.00 speakers in for review. I will be interested to see what Jay thinks a few months down the road when he gets to hear other 3500.00 speakers with his electronics in his room.
@gregbonaparte5079
@gregbonaparte5079 Год назад
Now that a lot of Audio stores are closed, it is difficult to listen to equipment before I make a purchase. Even when I was able to audition an item, it was played with equipment I do not have, and it was played in a room that is different from mine. I spent much of the 90"s and 2000's reading Stereophile magazine reviews. Now RU-vidrs are reviewing. I have been buying high end equipment since the 70's. I am 65. I spent far too much money in this hobby, but fortunately I have no other vices. I am almost always disappointed when I buy equipment based on reviews. I purchased the Sourcepoint 10's after hearing them at the Capital Audio Show. I wrote this before, but I will write it again, The Mofi's are amazing and are one of the best speakers I ever heard. That includes audio shows. I am perplexed that anyone can make a determination of speaker sound, playing with equipment that will not mirror what they own, thru a Mic, over the internet and over a computer. If you are using headphones to demo the sound, then just buy a good pair of headphones and not speakers. At least with headphones, the room won't affect the sound. The high end industry is full of hype. Simply cleaning the wax out of your ears will make a bigger difference than buying $10,000 cables. That is true, try it. Mofi is on to something. I believe once they find a nicer cabinet to satisfy people who like the high end look, the audio industry is in trouble.
@davidcross890
@davidcross890 Год назад
This thus far appears to be a mid fi industry speaker nothing more. So far anything but impressed with these even with $600k in electronics driving them, but in fairness my references are ultra high end
@connorduke4619
@connorduke4619 Год назад
Awesome and much needed rant Jay! I can imagine you would have a classic debate with the Audio Science Review guy who takes selective measurements and usually concludes that the $500 Topping Dac and Amps are the greatest products on the entire market. ;)
@ThePerfeckted
@ThePerfeckted Год назад
You can't stop haters unfortunately. I think your content is very interesting. I understand why and I appreciate what you are doing. This MoFi experiment gave me insight on the ceiling of that speakers. I like what the highest potential speakers/components could achieve. Ala Miata with LS engine on a quarter mile vs Bugatti. I get it Jay. Please continue doing what you are doing. Thank you very much sir.
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab Год назад
Thank you
@miahmiah4841
@miahmiah4841 Год назад
It's not hate, it's the truth. No one is jealous.
@marcobertolazzi2266
@marcobertolazzi2266 Год назад
I bought them yesterday after a long listening session, they were new (no demo) so not at the best for sure but enough to bet on them. Monday they will be deliverd in my apartment, look forward to pair them with my 845 single ended power ampli. Let see
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab Год назад
Thanks for sharing!
@sidvicious3129
@sidvicious3129 Год назад
Jay you have done an outstanding job here in putting this together. I will say that I would still want to listen to them personally in my home, because I love trying different things in my space and heck my dealer, whom I have built a relationship with let’s me do so, but I couldn’t see making the purchase personally. Are these the worst speakers in the world, no, but I think people, myself included are basing those decisions on what you have had driving your exotic gear, but to be honest that really is an unfair comparison. Your points are hella valid.
@saulzamir8709
@saulzamir8709 Год назад
Hi Jay. as you asked "what did you expect ?? " I will honestly tell you what I feel. First, you already told us what is your thoughts about these speakers after the show, so I did not expect that you will change your opinion 180 degrees. Second, you should have done those videos with regard to these speakers in complete darkness, this way you could take out of the equation the variables that got nothing to do with their quality of sound, [ name, price. finish quality, and so.. ] and that includes your own opinion about them which influence many people's judgment even before they started to listen. and last but not least, I appreciate very much the great job your doing on your channel, I don't know anyone else that currently doing that on youtube !!
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab Год назад
That's for sure... Nobody does what I do
@rrd1975
@rrd1975 Год назад
" Be careful what you ask for, because you may just get it ". For all of my audiophile life, I've made compromises and hard decisions about what equipment to buy without completely blowing my relatively small budget. You are giving what many of us asked for, but we can't have it both ways. You cannot buy fine champagne with a beer budget. Thank you Jay, for yet another great video presentation!
@kenmcglown6642
@kenmcglown6642 Год назад
I somewhat disagree. High end audio has come a long way in the past 20 years. Nowadays, you no longer have to spend a "King's Ransom" to achieve extremely high fidelity sound performance, especially with loudspeakers. Of course, a big-time budget will most assuredly equate to big-time performance. That's a given. But the bread-and butter of high end audio isn't just the megabuck systems, it's the more attainable and affordable stuff that drives the industry. Beer budget? That's me. Some audiophiles have big-time dough to burn (Jay), LOL. I think Jay's preamp cost more that my entire system. However, the beauty of it is, I can't describe to you how much pleasure and enjoyment I get out of my somewhat modest system on a daily basis. And that, my friend, is what high end audio is really all about.
@van94weightlossjourney
@van94weightlossjourney Год назад
Hmmm dang that thing is bigger than I thought.
@rookiestereophilemikej5508
@rookiestereophilemikej5508 Год назад
I like how you mix it up! What you are doing makes sense! Not everyone has deep pockets to spend $100k on a set of speakers. Love the content! Lol good point a Nissan sentra will never out perform a GT-R. I AGREE! It's like saying this 6" subwoofer out performs a 13" subwoofer! It will never happen! You rock man!
@davidepurino6857
@davidepurino6857 Год назад
Jay , when you want, can you answer me about MURAUDIO speakers Sp1? I listen to them in Munich in 2019 and i was very impressed. I think under 20.000 $ is one of the best speaker i have ever heard. Unfortunately no one has imported them into italy yet. Thanks a lot.
@allardvanderstarre5238
@allardvanderstarre5238 Год назад
interesting move; comparing it with the Kef ref 1 and Sonus Faber minima amator would not be amiss
@ryanstanley2985
@ryanstanley2985 Год назад
One day I really like to see bowers&wilkins brand in you room.
@louishamilton9648
@louishamilton9648 Год назад
I think l will opt for the Ryan Acoustic 610’s.
@billcase7689
@billcase7689 Год назад
I'd like to see the amplification version of this where the Benchmark HPA4 and AHB2 mono's are driving the Magico's, replacing the Boulders No belief or opinion or personal ownership-- just curious.
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab Год назад
Too much with zero point
@linandy1
@linandy1 Год назад
Aww we love you Jay, even though you have some silly ideas about cables 🤪
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab Год назад
I try 😂
@igaldins
@igaldins Год назад
Be careful, telling the truth is not always popular. Still thank you for this. You are absolutely right!
@pacificateur3630
@pacificateur3630 Год назад
GORBATCHEV is back from the dead. 😅
@joz411no8
@joz411no8 Год назад
Jay, to me someone assessing those speakers via RU-vid is similar to you assessing them from a listening room at a convention. In either case, the grading is remote at best. And how many times have you read comments about compliments you get to upgrades, bashing people for making determinations based on RU-vid-quality sound reproduction? There are couple of things to point out. These sub-$4K speakers are being compared by some of your viewers to speakers you’ve used that cost $30K and up. And as for “Made in China,” (which I’d love to have American-made if at all possible) I think it’s easily overlooked that many of the parts and pieces that go into our high-end electronics and components are made in China. I just applaud you for the demo, whether or not it was purely to save face.
@joelnorris4064
@joelnorris4064 Год назад
Jay, great comments. I totally agree with this. Andrew Jones has created a nice speaker, but no comparison to TAD, Magico, or Wilson. Thanks
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab Год назад
Thanks for sharing!
@Puroplatino
@Puroplatino Год назад
@Jay why not bring in some Sonus Faber in? I would love to see and hear them with your components.
@tybowers9807
@tybowers9807 Год назад
I still don’t know whether you like the source point 10 or not. Or how it compares to similarly priced speakers on the market. I think most people don’t care about $30K speakers so why compare them to the source point? Why not just review the speakers for what they are?
@adrianadrianp5305
@adrianadrianp5305 Год назад
I would be interested in a few videos of the same front end and electronics driving the MoFi, Wilsons and Magico's that would allow a much better evaluation for those not there. I thought they sounded great on the first rack of the first video, less so on the last track. But the second set of music was for me much worse. this much of a difference makes any evaluation super hard to be honest. If we have the same everything apart from speakers (db matched) then $40k vs $4k makes much more sense
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab Год назад
Great suggestion!
@MrBonger88
@MrBonger88 Год назад
I could probably live with those Mofi’s if I listened to more vocal centric music . I do truly think that they lack the bass that I like Evan at it’s price point. I’m sure that they are very cohere given their design
@robertb5640
@robertb5640 Год назад
Well thank you for keeping it real, not sure what people expect from a 3500 dollar speaker. Magnepans are a better value. I see why people are interested in it. It's new, it's designed by Andrew Jones, and it's affordable. But In my opinion a tannoy would be a better choice for a high end speaker, would love to see your opinion on that since they invented the dual Concentric Driver.
@timschutte3961
@timschutte3961 Год назад
Next time we go big again and maybe the Magico M9...? would be awesome
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab Год назад
Next time!
@66jodaco
@66jodaco Год назад
System synergy is hard for some to grasp. Like mastering an instrument, it takes years of practice. I've met some self proclaimed "audiophiles" that can't tell the difference between a violin and a viola yet they're the first to give advise.
@mrgiggles7840
@mrgiggles7840 Год назад
Jay - you have a youtube channel - you are going to get critics if you make bold statements or claims when there are many out here besides yourself who have been in this hobby for years or decades. This why companies pay big money for advertisements so they can promote a product without facing any negative comments. Is this a speaker you have purchased out of real love or because its the "flavor of the week " and you feel you can easily sell them - at least for a while - on your web page ? I think that had you bought a speaker which was not " hot " at the moment but was an under appreciated gem it would have gotten a different reception.
@matthewfrazee3352
@matthewfrazee3352 Год назад
Personally I like seeing the higher end stuff. I have a nice system kef reference 1 metas, jl audio subs, parasound a21+ with a minidsp shd running as a preamp but my whole system cost less than a set of nice magicos. 😢
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab Год назад
Thanks for sharing!
@glazzarus
@glazzarus Год назад
They are good for the price. Over RU-vid is actually impossible to evaluate sound performance. But it can be notice a difference when it is substantial. It is clear even from Designer white paper what was a target, so it reach that what was planed. So speaker low end is 42Hz, realistically read 50Hz without distortion impact, up to 30kHz. It is not compliant with HIRES category either. But any streaming , CD as DSD 64 are also not compliant. Obviously comparing with system that can play from 22 -25Hz up to 50-60kHz difference will be noticeable. But that range was never target. Obviously Sourcepoint 10 is intended for Audiophiles that use MM phono cartridge ( that can reach up to 25 kHz) in smaler rooms, same one that use KEF LS 50 some versions, as this speaker is better than that KEF. And KEF most sold model is that little one coaxial speaker. so you have it, another one a bit better than KEF.
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab Год назад
Gotcha
@asegal4677
@asegal4677 Год назад
Jay, I agree with almost everything you said. I think, in a way, your own framing of the Mo-Fi in the last few videos caused it to get slammed in the comments and in the poll. The question we need to ask is whether this is a good-sounding $3,600 speaker. But frankly that can't really be gauged using $600K electronics. The reality is, this reasonably decent speaker, on your electronics, in your acoustically tuned room is probably better sounding than almost every RU-vid commenter's own home system, but they just don't realize it in this context.
@Music2Die4
@Music2Die4 Год назад
I personally cannot comment on any speaker listening via RU-vid....... The sonic degradation via the video recorder and RU-vid (and the gear connected to my computer) is far greater than anything in the audio chain of your system.
@stevedollar8100
@stevedollar8100 Год назад
Only from your video, obviously, but they sound pretty OK to me -- I'm sure more broken in, which may have as much to do with it as the shift in electronics down to a mere 75k rig (ha). I think it's an attractive price for the kind of person who wants to upgrade from an outdated set, or start up from scratch. Lots of competition, although the mid century design element will probably do a lot not to undermine any domestic partnerships. But people gotta hear them IRL to really judge.
@hiresaudiocosta873
@hiresaudiocosta873 Год назад
I agree you you generally speaking , that more money usually equates to better things, but it’s not always the case. Especially, with little known companies. Sometimes they have a better product, but because they are not popular or well known or have a reputation, they have to price their products accordingly. Therefore, once in a while a superior product can be had at a reasonable price. Those are the items that I love to discover.
@badd99
@badd99 Год назад
Gr research. I spent 20k building my ultimate pair and it bests 200k magico all day
@joewhip9303
@joewhip9303 Год назад
@@badd99 I have heard the flagship GH Research speaker as a friend had the kit built. It is a fantastic product.
@badd99
@badd99 Год назад
@@joewhip9303 which kit? I did the nx otica with stereo triple servo subs and then went bananas and upgraded the crossover to insane levels lol
@gil3green
@gil3green Год назад
😂 This is hilarious, that ya really need to break this down for folks! Should have thrown in a couple “you peoples” in there too lol!
@alexisbirungi1745
@alexisbirungi1745 Год назад
Unless you are there in person, i doubt you can know exactly how a speaker sounds. Unless you also have a super high end speaker too. Otherwise all you are listening to is your own speaker. That being said, I always find it funny when people compare cheaper speakers to the super high end
@LeonFleisherFan
@LeonFleisherFan Год назад
I don't agree one should have expectations listening to audiophile gear. First of all, there's more fun to be had and more to learn when one keeps an open mind, apart from the fact that not all brands are pricing components checking what their competitors are currently offering, as common as that may seem. Secondly, there are exceptions, in all price categories, and being prejudiced, one would be virtually guaranteed to miss them.
@AccuphaseMan
@AccuphaseMan Год назад
You should review a pair of magnepans
@kennethdaumer8026
@kennethdaumer8026 Год назад
only if they are at least 2 years old and have fuses bypassed .mg 3.6 owner
@AccuphaseMan
@AccuphaseMan Год назад
@@kennethdaumer8026 yeah and they should be cryogenically treated and sprayed with pixie dust
@jakeslavin9355
@jakeslavin9355 Год назад
Jay, I think you are 100% on the money. You can certainly put together a less expensive system that competes with or is more expensive than something else, but only in the same price class. The only time I would expect a much more expensive speaker to sound average is if the designer did a horrible job. Using the car example, a Mclaren might drive like your Honda on your neighborhood streets, but once you take it out on the track, its apples and oranges. While you might not think the Mclaren is "worth it", you cannot possibly say that the Honda will compete with the Mclaren even remotely on a track. Lastly, I find that almost all of the people who say cables don't make a difference, or better DACs don't matter (as an example) have never actually owned good components and tried the experiments themselves.
@mambu5391
@mambu5391 3 месяца назад
Hola Jakes, tú tampoco has echo una prueba a ciegas, no la hagas please, no hay nada como ser feliz 😀 saludos 👋
@rickp6731
@rickp6731 Год назад
Those are all great speakers Jay but I would like to see you compare any of those speakers to the all new Final Audio Model 12 or Model 15 Electrostatic Loudspeakers matched with two REL Subs
@roberthart9886
@roberthart9886 Год назад
I expected a wider variety of music, including more complex like big band, classical, choral. All of which my EP 3.4s (12" coaxial, Open Baffle,) play quite ell
@markfischer3626
@markfischer3626 Год назад
I saw another review. The reviewer first used a $9000 Luxman amplifier and didn't like it. Then he tried $20,000 Pass Labs amplifier and preamplifier. Then he liked it very much and thought it was as good as his reference speakers that cost 5 times as much. This is consistent with what I had read about Andrew Jones' Elac Unifi speaker in my previous posting. I've never heard any of this equipment and probably never will. As for something less expensive beating something much more expensive that is possible if the less expensive product is based on a different design principle that is inherently superior. For example this is how in 1960 the AR3 $225 loudspeaker beat out every other speaker on the market regardless of price or size in bass performance. It is possible but not usual.
@meesmo4
@meesmo4 Год назад
Stop drinking the Andrew Jones kool-aid. I will tell you how one can better this $3700 speaker with EVEN lesser money. Buy the $995 magnepan LRS+ and pair it with subs. The result: better bass than the Mofi, with speed, transparency, coherency that the Mofis can never reach with their mdf boxed, dynamic drivers
@AudiolandCH
@AudiolandCH Год назад
funny.. i heard Wilson Audio Sophia 3s with Pass XP30 and XA100.5 the Luxman LX590 AXII matched and sounded better than the separates. Its all about matching.
@markfischer3626
@markfischer3626 Год назад
@marco86 Here is something electrical engineers are taught rigorously that audiophiles don't know and the few manufacturers that do know don't want audiophiles to know. I don't expect anyone here to believe me but I'll say it anyway. I have an asbestos suit that insulates me from flame wars. We have a concept called transfer function. It involves many parameters, gain as a function of frequency and phase. The concept can be applied to entire systems. Therefore the goal is to get the system transfer function flat. The way audiophiles go about it is the least effective controllable predictable and most expensive way it can be done. The best way is by correctly using a multi band graphic equalizer. That is its function. But there's more to it. The system response must be flat back to the source microphones. Therefore one size doesn't fit all recordings, it fits each recording differently. What's more the transfer function of the reflected sound in your room matters also. There's even more to it. The more complicated the engineering problem gets the more more fun and satisfaction I get out of solving it. The current state of the art doesn't even understand the problem let alone have any hope of solving it. BTW this is just a hobby for me, I've never worked in this industry. I enjoy it but I have no emotional connection to the equipment or the musical sounds. I enjoy some of the music, I don't like most of it.
@meesmo4
@meesmo4 Год назад
@@markfischer3626 you can go on and on about what EEs are taught but the proof is in the hearing. No one gives a crap about what EEs have to say. Till date, EEs still can't explain why perfectly measuring DACs sound different, or why cables sound different, and yet most of us know from experience that they do sound different.
@markfischer3626
@markfischer3626 Год назад
@@meesmo4 Actually they can. The truth is that few electrical engineers give a damn about audio equipment. There are far more interesting things for them to work on. All of the electronics were first invented by electrical engineers. Tinkerers diddled with them ever since and haven't gotten very far. But it wouldn't have mattered because sound is no an electrical phenomenon. Acoustics is part of a branch of mechanical engineering called fluid dynamics, the fluid being air. So after 65 years of tinkering with stereophonic sound and a few other ideas the best designs cannot created the sound of a symphony orchestra at a concert hall from a recording played at home. Not only don't they have an answer, they don't even understand the problem.
@sound-flies
@sound-flies Год назад
bit of a rant there. Music is alot about an emotional connection Mofi just does not make that connection. Totem Acoustics makes great "Cheap" Speakers I can connect with same for Fyne Audio./ Either I connect as a brand and as a manufacturer. Guess your rant is all good and well but would be cool to actually see these Mofi speakers against similar prices speakers. (Like Totem or FYNE.)
@styletiti
@styletiti Год назад
As you said people try to convince each others that 1000$ product could beat 50000$ products. You can read this for dacs, and amplifiers,etc. In forums. The reality is that you have good or exceptional products in each price league but you never beat the upper league. But after listening Magico s7 and the focal maestro, the switch for speakers in lower leagues is maybe too difficult. Or maybe a match between 2 or 3 speakers in the same league as mofi an easier way to show qualities of these speakers.
@daveuk1324
@daveuk1324 Год назад
Hey Jay - why not record a comparison of the Wilson vs the Magico vs the Mofi using decent source material (not Madonna!) if you can be bothered. Then we'll see if the "high end" speakers are worth their extra cost over the cheaper one. By the way, the Sasha DAW really needs the Wilson Loki Sub to get the best from it. Just saying...
@francisdelacruz6439
@francisdelacruz6439 Год назад
Synergies though. The Mofi may play better with tube amps regardless of how good the Boulder is even at it's stratospheric prices because it's a solid state amp driving paper based high efficiency speakers. Mofi strength with tubes likely the glowing illuminated midrange that's pleasantly coloured with bass. Much like modern classic Tannoys. It's all tradeoffs even at the high end where the A5 is, I imagine that even with the Boulder will be trumped by low wattage tube amplified horn speaker designs in dynamics or by Magnepan in tone / timbre. Maybe the difference would be less with ultra high end like the Chronosonic still compromises though vanishingly smaller would be apparent so clearly heard when compared to the absolute sound with real acoustic instruments...Obviously if one had a choice there would be less compromises with the A5 compared to the Mofi at their best...You do get what you pay for specially when professionals like you set up the system.
@paulhallford1904
@paulhallford1904 Год назад
Morning Jay I hope you and the family are safe and well 😁 I watch your channel because I do get the chance to see ultra high-end equipment 😁 when you posted the video reviewing the source point 10 at your home, I took into consideration the price point and market they are aimed at and in my opinion they are a steal at that price and under no circumstances would I expect them to be as good as the normal caliber of speakers you review 😀 well said and I totally agree with everything you have said, people need to understand we live in a world where most of the time you get what you pay for its as simple as that 😀 anyway please stay safe and thank you 😁
@tonycolletti8640
@tonycolletti8640 Год назад
Very very good comments for all the Haters that go to UTube to Hate. I have a pair of these and I’m (Very much) More then happy with them. They exceeded my expectations. The horrible thing is-the same people Ripped you when you said don’t get excited for the hype. People are ridiculous. Great comments here Jay!!! Much respect for this
@user-xg6zz8qs3q
@user-xg6zz8qs3q Год назад
I’m one of those haters ! To be clear, I don’t think they’re bad. I just think the midrange could be better and the levels of hype are suspiciously high. I personally have much less dynamic speakers but the midrange sounds smoother. It’s a tradeoff.
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab Год назад
Thanks
@tonycolletti8640
@tonycolletti8640 Год назад
It’s ok to hate. Just be realistic about a UTube stream? Honestly, the Show Demo by Andrew sounded Much better then Jays in my opinion. I understand his Ultra High end set up. I do look forward to Jays comments. Hopefully he did try another Set up with them. These DO Need a Sub or 2. I have Subs with them and like I said, I’m Very happy.
@russellbrown4760
@russellbrown4760 Год назад
Hi Jay, thankyou for reviewing a cheaper product. Please keep doing it with other products perhaps a little bit more expensive. We know these speakers will not sound as lifelike as speakers 10 times the price. That is not the point. Surely the issue is value for money and ever diminishing returns. Most people do not know how far to stretch themselves into a system that sounds lifelike enough. Do we need to spend another 10k on a system that would be absolutely worthwhile. We need you to show us at what point you are impressed with speakers or electronics at a certain price point where you can enjoy the music which means we will enjoy the music. We do not have the ability to compare and you do which is great. thanks from New Zealand.
@michaelwang9535
@michaelwang9535 Год назад
For those who just need to move from A to B, any car is a good enough car; same goes with playing music, any system can be a good enough system. Why spend more, especially when you don’t have $$$ and/or don’t care about the quality.
@johnsonadekunle7675
@johnsonadekunle7675 Год назад
By the way I drive Honda Civic and why do people make fun of that ca? It's unfair guys.
@signalfixer
@signalfixer Год назад
Jay seems like you never talk about what type of magnests each speakers has alnico, neo, ceramic electromagnet fields coil etc. I been doing this hobby a long time and it does matter as far as sound produced. Field coils are hard to beat period alnico's are smooth as silk that's why guitar guys love them etc. Just a thought Jay...
@kavehsaffari5565
@kavehsaffari5565 Год назад
question is why is this speaker being reviewed in this setup??
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab Год назад
Because I can and because it has a lot of attention from the magazines
@kavehsaffari5565
@kavehsaffari5565 Год назад
@@jaysaudiolab because you can ? I didn’t question your ability. I think you missed my point. But thanks for letting me know your capabilities. I already knew that if you have close to a million in audio components you can afford $3700.
@ianjohnhorwood2605
@ianjohnhorwood2605 Год назад
You said stuff stays on the Internet forever. That's funny because there are things i can no longer even find on the Internets Internet anymore , 🤣.
@davidburg558
@davidburg558 Год назад
So What speakers Should the average Joe BUY ,Focal 816 Floorstand Speakers for $1000/Pair at upscale Audio
@puffdragon55
@puffdragon55 Год назад
this is your best vid to date love you in a manly way lol
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab Год назад
Hahahah
@LeoRousseau
@LeoRousseau Год назад
Smash that like button guys!!! 👊
@user-xg6zz8qs3q
@user-xg6zz8qs3q Год назад
The car example is funny because a 2022 Civic type R beat lap times (on the Nurburgring) from older supercars like the 2002 Pagani Zonda S, the 2007 Lamborghini Murcielago, the 2006 Ferrari 599 GTB etc… Apparently, newer tires really improve lap times. So the expectation is that newer technology betters older technologies. It’s the same with audio I guess. The catch is that your Wilson speakers are still quite new. So my point falls apart.
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab Год назад
Correct
@van94weightlossjourney
@van94weightlossjourney Год назад
It’s not just in the numbers. The Type R is a good value but it isn’t interesting. I have owned some of the supercar brands you mentioned, including a 2021 Aston Martin twin turbo V8. There are things you have to experience which reading lap times isn’t one of them. And yes I have raced on tracks - Porsche Club America, Treasure Coast division. I agree with you that modern tires are improvements. Unfortunately a set of Pirelli Corsa Rossa’s are approximately $4K. Sure it doesn’t seem expensive until you realize that’s every 4-5K miles tops. Some times less than 1K miles.
@BobCoalWater
@BobCoalWater Год назад
People are followers, if that first video you made would have complemented the speakers for the price, these same followers would have most probably been in awe after listening to your subsequent videos.
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