Awesome video! I wonder what the tram driver was thinking when you were getting off the tram only to immediately run and get back on at the next stop 😆
The Dekin Uni underpass was built for us Burwood high school students decades before the tram came through or the uni existed. They had to pull a house down on the south side for the ramp whereas there was no issue using the high school land. Great vid and I'm glad to answer your question.
As someone who drives past the Deakin Uni tram stop, I can tell you from experience that many students don't use the underpass. It's always a good idea to slow down when you see passengers alighting on approach.
I'm always surprised that trams and busses don't share the same platform at Clifton Hill. Perhaps when MM2 comes along we'll see an upgrade to the tram/bus stops too.
@TeamEXAngus which stop/s are your referring to? There's no platforms at the Clifton Hill/Hoddle St stops/Clifton Hill Interchange. There is a bit raised pavement bus stops. Next tram stop, in Northcote, north bound, is a platform stop. North bound 250/251 buses do use the tram line to go from Clifton Hill Interchange along High St & turn right into Westgarth St. Think there isn't any westside/northbound side/ bus stop in that High St section, but is a eastside/southbound one. Buses using that platform stop would be a good idea, as would provide easier accessibility, & that tram stop has quite low patronage. (That tram stop was "platformed" when they built Westgarth St/shops, Clarke St, & Northcote Town Hall platform stops). Re Clifton Hill Interchange; as well as the terminus for the 246, it's also a 'timing stop' for buses, through there. Buses sometimes will wait there for 2-3 minutes.
I think they try to avoid them being shared if possible. The Clifton Hill stop is also a wait point so if the buses shared the path it would hold up the trams.
Born in Melbourne, but left 45 years ago. Almost lived at Caulfield race course. (I love horses!). I had never even thought about those two tram stops being so close to one another. I remember sneaking into the tram depot in Glenhuntly rd. Got sprung!!! Was lucky, they took me for a look through. I was at primary school in Glen Huntley Rd, only 5 mins walk away from there. Ah, the memories.......😊. Great little video. Thanks. Greetings from Dimboola, in Victoria.
Route 58 is my local tram line, and it really does have quite a few odd stops. There used to be a stop in Royal Park that was just a pole in the middle of the park, no lights or anything. I was at the Flinders Street stop the other night at after midnight, and it's incredibly spooky being under there - especially with the Crown Casino gas pylons going off in the background. The whole area there with Route 58 had a lot of odd little stops. The old Market Street/Flinders Lane stop was one I used quite frequently until it was removed in the E-Class upgrade. One more odd stop that comes to mind is Route 12, Stop 32 - sitting underneath the old St Kilda railway line, and on the odd little Route 12 which winds through the back streets of Albert Park. I'd also say Stop 125 (Route 96/109) Claredon Street Junction. There's a third track there that used to be for the Restaurant Tram a few years ago, but since the restaurant lost the right to run its tram, it's just sitting there.
@PissedOffPlaythrough, had to figure out/check if you meant Canterbury Rd / Albert Rd /Kerferd Rd intersection since there's no stop #32 anymore & (after checking) hasn't been for over 15 years. Stop 132, St Kilda bound, is right next to the intersection, so not under the #96 line (anymore) tho back part of the tram would be, & the city bound stop is on Canterbury Rd. By the way, while Mills & Danks/Park St through Middle Park are fairly quiet now, they weren't "back streets" once & were quite busy with traffic & not because to avoid traffic. In fact when I lived on Park St there a few decades ago I used to use Canterbury Rd as it had less traffic
@@CBM_Walks Ah, see, this is where relying on bad memory and bad Google Maps information definitely lets me down. Thank for clarifying this, I could have sworn I'd been at that stop recently but I guess I'm misremembering its location. And yeah, I guess I'd called them back streets as every time I'd ever gone through there on a tram, it seemed relatively quiet but, as I don't live around there, it's honestly just luck/time of day that probably made it appear quiet.
@@Sandwich1414 Hi, well you did help me remember something. When they through routed/extended #12, 1, & 8 few years before it changed it to #58 is when (i believe) they put a 1 in front of the southern suburbs stop numbers, if tram route then serviced suburbs on opposite sides of CBD, past where there City terminus-s used to be (Carlton, & East Melb termini, to be precise). A 1 in front/one hundred & ** doesn't apply re routes that terminate at Melbourne Uni /Swanston St terminus. The last major changes re route numbers being extended longer/slightly altered etc occurred in or around 2014 (other than #8 v #58, which was around 2017). So I believe that's when 12, 109, 96, (former) 8, stops 1 hundred & something. That change doesn't apply re routes that terminate at Melb Uni, nor the 2 routes that don't go though CBD. For route numbers that were changed to through route north of Melb Uni/Swanston St stop, it was the northern suburbs stops that became one 1 hundred & something*. I believe Docklands, west of Spencer St has always had 1** numbers. (said "west of" Spencer St, as west side of Spencer St is in 'Docklands' suburb). (*Some of the years may not be exact, & couple other things, but it does explain fairly well re the stop number changes & why). If you want excellent street maps online, use Melway online. As it's very up to date plus, unlike google, when zoom in or out ALL the road & street names still display, as do other things. Except of course if zoom out several times, but it then changes to like a routes/touring map.
Even more strange/interesting when you consider it’s built as a wheelchair accessible stop, but you can only access it via stairs! (Not to mention the fact that the 75 has no low floor trams) Another fun fact, the pedestrian ‘ramps’ on the kerbs used to cross the Burwood highway before the underpass are still there, they’re just blocked by a fence
@@snowyalice there are both stairs and a ramp on the Deakin side of the underpass yes, however the tram stop is only accessible via stairs from the underpass
I live near those Dandenong Rd/Hawthorn Rd stops and given the amount of people who immediately get off when the tram turns left (after accidentally getting on the 64 instead of the 16 which turns right) I understand the need for that stop. It must annoy the tram drivers a lot!
There used to be another stop just up the road from Flinders Street Stop 1 for the 58, Flinders Lane/Market Street. It was only 120m away so sometimes if you missed the tram at stop 1, you could beat it through the lights and get on at Market St. This stop was removed a couple of years ago (although still shows on Google maps with no departures). It never really made any sense as there's no connecting bus or tram routes on or near Market Street, and Collins/William Street stop connects to William/Collins St stop. Also, there was another stop William St/Flinders Lane (towards Toorak) which never really made sense which was also removed at the same time (again showing on Google maps as no departures)
The first time I was at Deakin Uni I took the tram route down to the nearby shops. I didn't actually realise how to access the stop at first until Google Maps directed me through the underpass which was quite strange.
Great video! The names of those stops at 2:10, despite not being in Dandenong or Hawthorn would still be geographically accurate, as they are named after the intersecting roads (Dandenong Road and Hawthorn Road), so you would still be able to tell where you are, as you would know which road you're on, and which intersection you're at, so I wouldn't say that it's confusing. Still a great video though! Why those stops are so close together is quite beyond me, as they're both located at the same intersection. It's definitely odd having three tram stops at the same intersection. Some other interesting tram stops I would've included would be Melbourne University (due to the interesting headshunt arrangement there), and ANZAC Station (which in 2025 will feature an entrance to the train station on the tram platform). Great job on the video!
@@QazzyTransport there would be heaps more. Maybe not as strange, but interesting. You should do back stories on some of the stops and stations. I'm sure there are some great backgrounds to them.
As a disabled student who moved to melb last year, I was so shocked that the deakin stop is completely non acceptable! Thankfully I wasnt using my wheelchair that day 🙄
Nice video! you kind of inspired me to make my own, the ideas would be just to cruise in some of the stranger bus trips in melbourne. There are a few extremely fun ones in the east, they go through tight mountain roads, beautiful forest streches, etc.
That underpass at Deakin seems pretty shortsighted - They’ve made a DDA compliment level access stop, yet there is no pedestrian crossing to reach it - just the staircase to the underpass. I’m aware the 75 route tram isn’t low floor accessible regardless, but presumably it will be one day and this tram stop will need to be reconfigured. I wonder why they made it level access to begin with?
Amazing video, literally just character a few hours earlier to see if you uploaded anything, and a few hours later here it is!! Just a random video idea, but maybe you could do kind of an explainer of the route 5 shuttle and how route 64 has a unique destination displaying route 64/5
The waiting zone for the Melbourne Central Station tram stop on route 30 and 35 is an accident waiting to happen... can't count how many times me and my friends almost getting run over by the tram due to how skinny the waiting zone is! Definitely a weird one considering how important this stop is for CBD people, uni students and tourists!!!
Two more of interest, stop D4 on route 70/75, one side is a platform stop, the other a raised Rd stop (I hate this design), also the Bourke St stop on the city circle, only stop it has by itself not shared with a regular route
I have another contender for shortest distance between tram stops. St Georges Rd/Miller and Miller/St Georges Rd on the 11 tram going south is only 71 meters between them (directly) compared the included one which is 78 meters (directly). Yes you'd have to cross 2 sets of lights though.
I was thinking of doing this... Issue is getting enough footage of every tram line would take a very long time, so I'll keep it in the back burner until i do enough videos to the point where I have a decent amount of footage of most lines from making other videos
I always think that melbourne's trams could do with deleting some tram stops to increase efficiency, but then get backlash from some people over it. However, I think NO ONE will disagree with me when I say that of the hawthorn road/dandenong road stops on route 64, ONE OF THEM HAS TO GO!
I recommend doing strangest level crossings in Melbourne and you should include Glen Huntly road (although it’s been removed now) the reason I say that is because at the time it used to be a tram square with not 2 but 3 tracks! I would love if you would make a video like that and include Glen Huntly Road (and if you don’t please make an honorary mention for it I don’t mind)
10 years ago the Deakin underpass used to be very dark. They repainted it to those nice greens once that new building at the front of the uni was finished. Still smelt bad after the makeover though.
Cool vid, this time i was familiar with every area you looked at. I never noticed (or didn't remember) how close the dandenong/hawthorn rd stops were. Also just in case you were actually confused I believe the roads are named for where they go to.
@@theantipope4354 to be fair hawthorn rd doesn't quite connect to glenferrie rd you have to go about 150 metres down dandenong rd to get from one to the other
Hi, enjoy the style of your presentation. What about doing a vid on routes where busses could use tram tracks as they do on 236/234 routes at Casino. One other route is the 623 (St Kilda - Mount Waverley) turning right at the intersection of Carlisle St and Brighton Road heading away from Luna Park. The small time allocated to right turning traffic means the 623 bus is sometimes stuck for 2 or 3 cycles during busy periods.
Without a doubt, the underpass is to stop students dicing with death as they cross the road. Thinking of the tram stop and traffic lights in Plenty road, opposite LaTrobe uni, red lights mean little to most students. At busier times, they just swarm across the road en masse.
In Toronto we have a similarly strange streetcar stop that is the only one in the city exclusively accessible by tunnel. Its Queensway/Parkside on the 501/507 streetcar line and I believe they put it out of service and boarded up the the tunnel entrance due to the shady nature of it.
Too late again but I just found this video but I’ll tell you another strange tram stop in queensland, and it’s Helensvale station, with a direct connection to Helensvale train station and the Gold Coast line, it’s only marked strange because if the number of the platform, the train platforms are numbered 1 and 2 but the tram platform numbers are 4 and 5 which confuses the people and also the announcement mistakingly saying platform 3 even though there is no platform 3
How clean is Melbourne? It’s beautiful. Before 1970 (ish) there was rubbish everywhere. A single Ad campaign changed it all, the one where the drivers head turns into a pig. Sounds silly but it worked, anyone old enough to remember?
There's a weird section, well I think at least, on the 86 route in Plenty road in Kingsbury. Where cars wanting to make a U-turn over the tracks, first pull up in the car lane and have a red turn arrow, as the tram line has the white 'T'. As the signal box is triggered by the car's weight, their red arrow goes out, the trams light goes to a red 'T' ... but the car is left hanging, as no green arrow is ever shown to them. They the car, must turn as the AMBER light goes on, before the tram gets another white T. 987 plenty road to 943. (There is only 2 possible car lights. The red, and amber) no 3rd is even possible
You might have misunderstood what those signals mean when the red u-turn light goes out. When the red light goes out, The driver can do a u-turn until the yellow u-turn light turns on. The reason there isn't a green light is because the driver needs to give way to opposing traffic. If the driver was to be given a green light, they may assume that they don't need to give way to oncoming traffic, which could be dangerous. I've had to use them before, and the idea is that you make the u-turn when the red light is out. However, you need to give way to oncoming traffic. It's easy enough to understand once you get your head around it. I hope that explains how those u-turns work... (P.S: There are 3 more examples of these kinds of u-turns further north on Plenty Road in Bundoora, as well as one more example further south on Plenty Road in Reservoir)
Oh yes it does, thanks. But many many cars, sit there waiting patiently hoping wishing for a green that never comes. The way you explain makes it clear. You should work for Vic roads 😅
@@wildwombat Thanks! As a local I've had to use these signals a lot over the years, so I've been able to understand how they work. The main issue with those signals is that these kinds of u-turns are quite unique to Plenty Road, so drivers who are visiting the area probably don't understand what the signals mean, as they wouldn't have encountered them before. And yes, I should work at VicRoads, and hopefully I will one day.
Isn’t the tram track siding at the north end of William st (on the western side the Queen Vic market car park) it’s own stop? While it makes sense, as you need to get off of the team stops there, I’ve never seen a tram use the siding in over 20 years.
It will be interesting to see if the planned Suburban Rail Loop station changes access to the now Deakin Uni tram stop. If students can’t work out how to get to the university from the tram stop (given the massive ugly multi storey buildings in view from the tram stop) you have to wonder if they are ready to attend university! 😆 Also given it’s faster for most ambled bodied people to use an underpass rather than wait for lights that disrupt traffic on a busy multi laned highway why wouldn’t everyone, not in a wheelchair, prefer an underpass!
