Mountain Meadows Massacre: Secrets of Blood Atonement (w/ Historian Barbara Jones Brown) 

Agreed. Nothing but animosity

Talk about getting lost in the sauce, my god

Yep, most TBMs of today believe that Warren Jeffs' practice of taking child brides were the outlier, rather than the norm. Joseph Smith himself plural married two 14 year olds.

Thanks, e.loveless! Very astute! We quote in the book letters from Mary Ann’s mother asking permission to BY for a divorce or “sealing cancellation” for her daughter, whom she said was 12 when Lee kidnapped her, brought her to apostle George A. Smith, and lied that she was 14 so he could marry her. So this became one more source that seems to confirm that 14 was the minimum age. Martha Ann Hughes’s life sketch online says that she was 14 when she married Zera Pulsipher. I hope this is helpful! (BTW, 14 was still way way too young of course!)

@@BarbaraJonesBrown Thanks for the info. It's much appreciated. I just bought Vengeance is Mine too. I can't wait to read it!

My ancestors lived in the area at the time so they were probably involved.

@@danielhilderbrand7393 Almost all of the participants' names are known, and are easy enough to look up.

I need to check my family tree, I could easily have an ancestor there too

Evidence

@@BaBumz Yup, it's out there. Just gotta get off your ass. Research community news articles from the period and area.

Do the research, you "lazy learner!".​@@BaBumz

And his progeny are still active in criming in Arizona, Liz Angeles and Utah.

Most Mormons don't know that the "blood atonement" doctrine and practice was implemented and carried out by Joseph Smith in Missouri in 1838.

Do you mean the Bear River Massacre? We do talk about it in our book, but the experts on that subject are the Shoshone historians Darren Parry and his (deceased) grandmother, Mae Timbimboo Parry

Haha and gross!

🥳 thanks!!

Hope I don’t lose it 😂🫶

Patriarchy sure has worked out well.😂

Sounds like somebody needs to invent a better quality of god.

Did you watch the video?

The blood atonement doctrine and practice was begun and practiced under Joseph Smith in Missouri in 1838. The Mormons who committed the Mountain Meadows Massacre, as directed personally by Brigham Young, specifically cited the blood atonement doctrine as their justification for the crime. The temple endowment ceremony during that time included an "oath of vengeance," wherein patrons vowed to avenge the murders of the prophets Joseph and Hyrum Smith: "You and each of you do covenant and promise that you will pray and never cease to pray to Almighty God to avenge the blood of the prophets upon this nation, and that you will teach the same to your children and to your children's children unto the third and fourth generation." Also, a few weeks before the MMM, Mormon Apostle Parley P. Pratt was killed in Arkansas by the estranged husband one of Pratt's plural wives. Brigham Young used that incident to further incite his disciples to attack and plunder emigrant wagon trains. The Mormons concocted several false allegations that members of the Baker-Fancher train had been among the murders of Joseph and Hyrum Smith, that one of the emigrants possessed the very gun that had killed Joseph, that the emigrants had insulted Mormons in the territory, that they had poisoned springs which caused the deaths of some Paiutes and cattle, etc. All of those allegations have been determined to be false. Here's some material I wrote on this about 20 years ago: In 1859, U. S. Army Brevet Major M.H. Carleton led the first official investigation into the MMM. Upon visiting the site, his soldiers built a crude memorial to the victims out of stones, with a wooden cross atop it, inscribed with the saying "Vengeance is mine, sayeth the Lord." In 1861, Brigham Young visited the MMM site. The following statements were recorded of Young's reaction upon viewing the memorial: "We visited the Mt. Meadows Monument put up at the burial place of 120 persons killed by Indians in 1857. The pile of stone was about twelve feet high but beginning to tumble down. A wooden cross is placed on top with the following words, Vengeance is mine and I will repay saith the Lord. Pres. Young said it should be Vengeance is mine and I have taken a little." (Wilford Woodruff's journal, May 25, 1861.) "My grandfather, Dudley Leavitt, was present, and he told the incident repeatedly, so that it has been verified by three of his sons. One preserved it in these words, quoting his father: 'I was with the group of elders that went out with President Young to visit the spot in the spring of '61. The soldiers had put up a monument, and on top of that a wooden cross with words burned into it, Vengeance is mine, saith the Lord, I will repay. Brother Brigham read that to himself and studied it for a while and then he read it out loud, Vengeance is mine saith the Lord; I HAVE repaid. He didn't say another word. He didn't give an order. He just lifted his right arm to the square, and in five minutes there wasn't one stone left upon another. He didn't have to tell us what he wanted done. We understood.' " ("Mountain Meadows Massacre," Juanita Brooks, p. 183.) "Went past the monument that was erected in commemoration of the massacre that was committed at that place.....On one side of the cross is inscribed Mountain Meadow Massacre and over that in smaller letters is vengeance is mine & I will repay saith the Lord. On the other side.....some one has written below this in pencil. Remember Haun's Mill and Carthage Jail....." (Journal of Lorenzo Brown, as quoted in ibid, p. 183.) Brigham Young's attitude and remarks clearly indicate that he was not sorry that the MMM had occurred, and that the massacre was an appropriate act of "vengeance." On that same visit to southern Utah, Young spoke in a church meeting. Many Mormons in attendance had been among the murderers at Mountain Meadows four years prior, including Bishop John D. Lee, who recorded Young's comments in that church meeting: "Pres. Young said that the company that was used up at the Mountain Meadows were the Fathers, Mothers, Bros., sisters & connections of those that murdered the Prophets; they merited their fate, & the only thing that ever troubled him was the lives of the women & children, but that under the circumstances this could not be avoided." ---John D. Lee's diary entry of May 30th, 1861, as published in "A Mormon Chronicle: The Diaries of John D. Lee, 1848-1876", edited by Robert G. Cleland and Juanita Brooks. Since the doctrine of "blood atonement" was promoted by the institutional LDS church, and specifically by Brigham Young----- and the "Oath of Vengeance" against the killers of Mormon leaders which Mormons swore allegiance to in the temple endowment ceremony was instituted by Brigham Young----- and participants in the MMM referred to that oath as being their "authority" to commit the massacre----- and Brigham Young spoke approvingly of the MMM as an act of justifiable "vengeance", and that the victims (except for the women and children) "merited their fate"--- then it is obvious that the man ultimately responsible for the Mountain Meadows Massacre was Brigham Young.

The blood atonement doctrine and practice were created by Joseph Smith and Sidney Rigdon in Missouri in 1838. The 19th century temple endowment ceremony included an "oath of vengeance" which read: "You and each of you do covenant and promise that you will pray and never cease to pray to Almighty God to avenge the blood of the prophets upon this nation, and that you will teach the same to your children and to your children's children unto the third and fourth generation." The Mormons who participated in the MMM cited that oath as their justification for the crime.

@@nuancehoe Carah, I responded to the above poster's comment a couple of days ago with historical info which answered their question. I don't see my response here. Has it been deleted for some reason?

@@randyjordan5521 I see it at least! I don't know what makes youtube do that sometimes.

Not all. Expand your horizons and knowledge.

@travislee9396 ooooohh the upper hierarchy authorities behind closed doors at THEIR Bank Vault gods are 😉