Muse's Will of the People is NOT GOOD 

Stay strong, brother. You are doing the good thing.

I am so sorry

Based Stepdad

Ummm, NOOOO, you don't. If YOU think Muse sucks be honest with yourself FIRST AND FOREMOST.

My dad shaped my music taste a lot- grew up on stuff like talking heads, hendrix, miles davis, lots of fusion, etc. But people become dads and they start to miss. One day he was like "yo check out this band, they're called the lumineers!" 😔

Finally someone asked, LeBron James such an underrated basketball player who is not talked about enough. Every time i turn on the TV or read up online to catch up on basketball they never talk about him

Legacy points deducted

so funny and original

@@JDelvaMusic neither of those words apply to what i said lmao

My favourite Muse lyric of all time

@@heyylittleworld2314 Up there with "I've played in every toilet but you still want to spoil it" (joke btw)

Hoodoo is probably the most underrated track on BHAR imo

That’s actually a solid-ass lyric. What happened?

That's my favorite Muse song

I think you precisely described what I enjoy abt this album lmao

@@viledestroyerx8441 It's exactly what I hate about Muse lol it's the performance of rebellion and solidarity without actually rebelling or showing solidarity.

Yes, they are literally self satirizing, they literally snuck in a "will of the sheeple" In their title song for those who paid attention. The entire reason why the song is so tacky is meant to satirize the exact same culture of sanitized mainstream mindless rebellion against cultural norms you see everywhere. Whether or not that makes for a good song is up to you, i dont like it either, but you gotta realize what they were going for lmao.

The thing is, I don't have an issue with this kind of lyricism in theory, but the problem is they haven't gotten better musically since Resistance/2nd Law. Was hoping Drones was a one off dud, but they seemed to have gotten criticism and taken the exact wrong message from that and gotten more generic to try and self-correct. It's unfortunate.

@@limeangelo6019 No, it's really not self satirizing, because in order to self satirize, you need to be self aware. Muse actually thinks they're being cool and edgy and rebellious here. They're not making a joke with themselves.

Good music comes from assholes and bands who hate each other. Muse is the opposite of that.

@@imconfused6955 but they’ve released great music…

@@antonioscalcione7921 yeah ik. Not on this record imo (except kobk). I was mostly making a joke in poor taste. I just find it funny how some of the biggest bands ever (Radiohead, Pink Floyd) don't always get along all that well

He's just a guy paying the bills 🤷‍♂

@@imconfused6955 Radiohead never fight each other, bro. Pink Floyd on the other hand? lol

Yeah, it's so easy to write music about "we are good guys, we will stand up to bad guys, bad guys will stop doing bad things" but I just wish maybe once or twice they'd get a tad more specific, beyond some scattershot Orwell reference or something.

They do the same lyrics since 2009, it’s not a new thing. They just don’t take seriously lyrics anymore

@@monsty26 Yeah, once Uprising took off, "vague important message against those in power" became their whole M.O.

@@monsty26 "I swear their lyrics are meant to be shit hurr durr"

@@jimboc669 why are you stalking me in this comment section? 💀

They KNEW how to make good music. If feel like they lost that spark a long time ago. Have you heard Bellamy's solo stuff? I think he just loves pop these days. He's over rock music and that's why he can't get his sh!t together to write a decent song anymore.

I went to the same school as Muse, not that it is relevant very much.

You're the one with a The Resistance profile picture though, which arguably is their single most corny album from start to finish.

But I love this album

Just like will of the people

Citizen erased, bro or newborn. Heavy, dark and weird muse is best muse.

I see you watch Brad Taste In Music

@@bassistwithadeathwish7277 I do!!! I’ve watched his whole demondice discography video twice now lmao

Showbiz, origin of symmetry (2021 remake especially) , Absolution and dozens of b sides around that time are great and make Muse my favorite band despite being a metalhead. Every album since has 1 or 3 good tracks at best but hey.

hysteria is a banger though

Man people are still doing this huh?

@@shemshate Yes! Think outside the box, break the chains of oppression!

Moenisbus

@@Slasgo become ungovernable

Omg it’s Kid A.

Fantano came in with the clutch

Rock music is fucking fucked type beat

Lol

There have been plenty of great rock albums so far this decade, but I feel like Fantano only gives reviews to the ones he can give NOT GOOD ratings to. Or at best, 5/10 like the last Foo Fighters album. Show of hands: how many of you knew that Halestorm released a new album this year? Or that Chevelle released a new album last year?

you've lost all credibility as a critic😔😔😔😔

Exactly what I was thinking; best album since the Resistance, probably better than that. Kill or be Killed, Won't Stand Down and Euphoria fit right in with Absolution/Black Holes era. And the album as a whole is far better than 2nd law, drones, simulation theory.

@@AndrewMai I have nothing to add - this is the take that I completely agree with.

When they said that they were going "back to their roots" I thought they ment their good stuff like origin of symmetry and showbiz not their terrible pop bullshit. As a long time muse fan I have to say this album is complete garbage and it's pretty safe to say bellamy can't write a good song to save his life anymore. Also I do absolutely love the old muse stuff and I look up to bellamy as a guitar player and singer but he's really lost the plot at the moment.

@@AndrewMai Resistance was terrible anyway besides like two songs.

Considering what you said about aging, I cant help but think that the best way for them to feel that kind of fun would be to kinda roll back the years and just make a badass album like Origin of Symmetry?

it's stilll gr8 album but no instant thrill thisalbum needs time

Wont stand down and Kill or be killed definitely remind me of old Muse

Its not mostly about the sound, but about the nerve and feeling that's pretty much gone after 4 albums.

They write the same type of lyrics since The Resistance, they do it for purpose

If your "political" lyrics can be projected on by anyone, they're not really political 🤔

They went from pretty unique and introspective commentary at points to consistently releasing Billy Idol tier "rebellion" rock

@@kundatrix Depends on how vague the platform is, I have to say I quite align with the "Air is a good thing to breathe" party.

Jews

And this totally isn't like the third or fourth time we've heard it from Muse

Including Muse, like 10 years ago.

It's more about a dystopian present but I understand your sentiment xD

Maybe they’ll start discussing cancel culture next. Nobody is doing that!

@@arsonne because its fake

If you told me during that era that I would never like one of their albums again I would’ve laughed in your face. I couldn’t imagine how far they would fall off

This album was a showcase of what they already have done in the past. Not of what we are going to hear next

Their last album was actually enjoyable. This one is actually repulsive.

The 2nd Law was honestly their last great effort.

Same here

Yes! Embrace your lack of sense of ridicule! Halloween is almost undone by having too meaningful lyrics (domestic abuse!), but then the 80s guitar solo comes to the rescue.

As a horror fan, it's such a guilty pleasure for me. I know it's not great, but god damn it I love it!

@@dimitrisgel9640 it’s a good song imho

Yeah, it's the single song I'd ever go back to from this album. The camp actually feels like camp rather than taking orwell too seriously like every other song. Also the only actual idea in the entire album.

1/10 calling it

Same here I’m dying for him to drop that review

Waiting too, regardless of what he gives it'll continue to be my #1 aoty. Last year SIMBI was my fav so I wouldn't be surprised if Forever Story is a Strong 8.

@@untilco im only happy with 8+

@@untilco He said on Twitter that it has no bad songs, has to be a strong 8/10 at least Oh and anyway, the score is the least important part of the review

right? they are surely losing fans, i'm afraid. last time i saw the fans genuinely excited was with few tracks on Drones, since then nothing has been loved too much

@@lovelyy6491 no, you're just suffering from the Fantano Hivemind. Every single Muse fan was excited for this album

Meh, the first five albums are still there to listen to whenever you want. The most frustrating thing for me is that I’ve never had a chance to see them in concert and at this point if I do the set list is going to be watered down with a decade of mediocrity.

I feel 100% exactly like u mate :(

I think Muse fans have this idea that if you’re a big fan of the band, then you have to say that nothing they release is bad. I’ve noticed a LOT of “Musers” on social media use the excuse that Muse’s sound isn’t defined by one sound-that it always evolves-which I have to give it to them. Their sound has definitely gone through change over the years, but the themes of revolution and taking back what’s yours and fighting for what you believe in has been recycled over and over and OVER again since after The Resistance. It’s hysterically frustrating to me because the people saying “if Muse made the same sound from their earlier works again, they would have been boring” are completely ignoring the fact that this other “evolving sound” (if you can call it that) they’ve created has been going on for even longer than their original sound did. For me Kill or Be Killed and Won’t Stand Down are the only songs (*barely*) holding the album together (I personally disagree with Fantano’s review that WSD sounds like a heavy Imagine Dragons tune, but that’s just me). With that being said, I can’t even tell you how much You Make Feel Like it’s Halloween makes me cringe. I thought Revolt or Get Up and Fight was bad… I still have some hope that Muse will be back with better material, but I completely understand why people have given up.

It just seems so fucking lib.

It's not even that for me. It's just that the way they write music is so comically overblown. I love overblown stuff, and I think it's a great quality to have when the songs are there. Butterflies and Hurricanes sounds super melodramatic and overblown, but it's a GREAT song. Citizen Erased is really long and drawn out, but again, GREAT song. This record doesn't have the songs at all.

@@Ergoperidot Are you from the US? You guys have adopted a very weird understanding of what "liberal" means.

@@Minecraftrok999 That's like saying we've adopted a weird accent It's just different. It's a different concept using the same word. Learn what the different word means to us and communicate and stop being confused.

But have you consider “The will of the people the willa willa!”

5*

@@phantommagnolia true hullabaloo was great

Their first 4 albums plus the 2nd Law 😎

@@CynicalScorpio How could you do The Resistance so dirty? I love that album, from how it sounds and the design/theme to it all.

Funnily enough, I enjoy this album, but I think this review really helped me articulate why and what changed. I would say I'm a fan of Muse, and have listened to their entire (expansive) discography, and the enjoyment I get now is a complete perversion of what I get from their earlier work. I listen to this and Simulation Theory for goofy, camp, overblown rock albums with some fun rifts and novel genre inspirations. I just went back and listened to "Thoughts of a Dying Atheist" and "Map of the Problematique" and realized that I enjoy these songs as legitimately sonically unique tight tracks that dealt with clear personal struggles, and IMO thoughtful commentary on vast religious, political, and ideological concepts, even if they were never subtle about it. The gravitas is gone. I think the fact that I no longer listen to them to hear good art that I can resonate with, and more as lighter and cheaper entertainment is probably way more damning than if I just stopped liking them entirely.

This is exactly how I interpreted the album. I don't see it as a legendary album, but there are some fun moments in the album, for sure.

The album is fun and instrumentally some of the best shit they've done in years. Anthony took this album WAY too seriously. They're literally fucking around quite a bit. Clearly a lot of it is ironic.

Yeah this album feels like it's specifically made for the die hard fans with its callbacks, etc.

Yeees the album is SUPPOSED to be cringe and mixed horribly, people just don't get it

This new Drak… Muse album is purposely, ironically lazy and badly produced to the point it is unlistenable, right

💀

FAX tho

To me , I understand stand that people don’t have to like this.. but for me muse will always be more interesting the all the modern “popular bands” so yeah I like this album… but I’m bias cause I like all muse song

@@dinotech3416 indeed I just love songs like WOTP, WSD or WAFF ;)

He says this with “Father of All…” only a couple of years ago

I think the significance is that its coming from Muse, not like Imagine Dragons and what not

His recent memory is just very, VERY short.

for real considering mgk dropped this year

@@francoaranda6499 hahaha

Never seen a comment I agree more with.

Yeah I know, they haven’t made a fully brilliant album since In Rainbows.

Brilliant comment. I was a massive fan since age 13. Their last few records were so bad I even started to rethink if I actually liked the 2001-2006 Muse all that much or if it was just nostalgia. I listened to OOS the other day and thankfully still enjoyed it. They used to have good taste, I don't know what happened. Anyway, I haven't lost hope. Look at Weezer, the white album came out of nowhere and is my 3rd favourite Weezer record now.

@@C.P.O.B no kidding! I've felt this before, but I love the first 4 albums, b-sides included and I wish they'd remaster Showbiz so bad. I gotta say I have a newfound appreciation for everything before this record now. Even Simulation Theory, with it's doubling-down on a genre-shift, still sounds like Muse albeit with a lot of filtering on top.

@@seanster9735 bazinga!! their singing might be similar sometimes. But musically they took a different route ages ago

so true

thx walter

Ayyyy.

@@ingenieroriquelmecagardomo4067 say my name.

Come ride with me through this comment section... I'll show you a god who falls asleep on the job.

What? No!!! Sim theory has many great songs

Is that why people call them prog-rock?

@@wwild progressively worse lmao... fuck that's sad man ;-;

@@wwild that's funny but i wish it wasn't

@@viegodalencio bruh fr 🤣

At least Green Day were just trying to make some mindlessly fun and catchy rock n roll songs. It didn't work, but at least they weren't trying so hard to be so cool and edgy and artsy like Muse has been for the past decade.

@@philly_sports1558 “100% pure uncut rock”

@@chikinonfrydai Never thought Green Day would try to pull "no fun, no mosh, no core, no trends"

@@philly_sports1558 it’s totally the opposite lmao Green Day tried so hard to publicize their album as “pure rock”, while Muse are just having fun and not taking themself too seriously

@@monsty26 so Muse aren't taking themselves seriously in their past 5 albums? Maybe they are exaggerating a little bit.

Both can be bad

I don't like how they started with the title song and compliance was a bit too tacky but then it got a lot better imo

Fantano immediately disregards music that is anti-establishment.

+ L + Ratio + YB Better

Was just thinking that

Coldplay

It's so sad to me, bruh. When I was kid their stuff off Black Holes and Origin of Symmetry legit blew my mind (still hold up btw) and were probably really foundational for my taste in music

Most seem to disagree with you.

Exactly. Best rock group still performing, IMO. Not saying the same for this album LOL

What bands that killed it in the 90s/00s had a good album since the 2010s began? Not many. Something happened in 2010.

Chevelle, Soundgarden did until Chris Cornell died.

@@TheClickParade Radiohead

@@TheClickParade The Strokes

You're many years late my man! IMO the Halloween song and We Are Fucking Fucked are pretty fun if you don't take them seriously. And those two will probably sound great live.

idk if just not taking them seriously anymore is enough because at the end of the day i will want to enjoy what i'm listening. i didn't take Panic Station seriously but it's pretty damn catchy and fun, so it's nice to listen to

@@lovelyy6491 exactly.

I thought you were my former roommate for a second

volta pra comunidade Muse Brasil do Orkut então 🤣🤣🤣

No one but them can say if they "lost their way" (although that's a conundrum, because if they did, they might not know)... what you can say is that their way and yours diverged at some point. This idea can be challenging to reconcile. I wouldn't say their creativity (ideas are, in this context, under the umbrella of creativity) has waned. It's just that you don't like what they're presently producing. "The band has no idea what to do with their music". Huh? It's their music. They're doing exactly what they want to do with it. You just don't like it. Wow. Everything you say. It's all the same groove and, well, it's not them, it's you. Take a breath, think, consider, and try to communicate what it is you really mean. All this typed, I get it. I loved Muse once upon a day. I don't care for much of what they've produced for the past decade. It can be tough to reconcile with. I've dealt with this with many artists - whether it's a band, writer, director, RU-vid content creator, etc. and people in general.

@@RobVespa The band has said that this album is a representation of their career, a type of "The Best of". How can a band, which has managed to keep its members for years, have such a wrong perception of its own music, thinking that this album has the best of what Muse represents? That's what I meant when I said "The band has no idea what to do with their music". There is nothing on this album that is equal to or better than what I can hear on OoS, Absolution or BH&R. Ballads, hard rock, synths, etc. Yes, everything Muse has done over the years, but worse. Not saying anything new, not sounding refreshing. For someone who (listening to what they've done in the past) knows the potential they can deliver, this record isn't the best they can produce. Simple. I am breathing. I do not care much. For the last 4 albums I just take the songs that I like and move on. It's not that big of a deal, just an opinion.

Totally agree 100% (original comment)

​@@VAXN_ Tbh, I agree with what the band said. Each song on it's own is very much a reflection (maybe better worded as, perhaps an emulation) of their best hits. That's not the issue in my book. This is looking past their 16+ year old albums. Muse has meant many things: their symphonic arrangements, technological effects and sound, their complex well layered neoclassical-tinged guitar playing, operatic vocals. It's what in sound makes them iconic. They span everything from softer rock on Showbiz, energetic, spacey on Origins of Symmetry, well arranged symphonic on Absolution, to poppier on BH&R. Their foray into electronics in Simulation Theory and 2nd Law frankly feels very natural to that aspect and very Muse-like as it did when they went into The Resistance. I can appreciate them in that respect, since I have to respectfully disagree and say they are always saying something new (maybe not in lyrical meaning but thats a separate topic-basicaly the world feels different)-its because of that it is generally harder for old fans to like (though imo, not wholly). Because despite these being aspects of Muse, all how they kept together the band image and theme, what really made Muse click is this larger than itself, where the whole is better than the sum of the parts. This idea of some immersive vision into some kind of world or sound and going all in. The issue with this is it feels basically like trying to emulate a best hits compilation in which they succeed. It is weird since in some sense it is 'one of the best' but then in another 'one of the worst'. What they forget than is that was never the emphasis of the sound-they had hits, but it was the holistic layer, the larger than life feeling. That dramaticism, epicness. The immersion. It feels wildly uncohesive, there is no more than that 'larger than itself' appeal. From the album cover to the songs, I am wildly confused about what concept, what vision was behind it. It makes it fleeting and make it hard to want to come back to, where I could say that about mostly everything else. That is to me, what is the most CONCERNING since that is the core appeal of Muse and so you suspect if they lost their vision. I'm just going to chalk it up to COVID for now-every band can try their best hits act, whatever. I don't think I can be so pessimistic about the future quite yet, since in the end, I do like the songs when I do decide to listen (maybe it's not fully there and so close to an approximation, idk) it's just, I wish there was more cohesion and felt vision. So yeah, I'm very torn. Even I'm unsure of the essay I wrote covering my thoughts.

Yes, they are calling it a Masterpiece...

@@gilbertopinto7084 it’s a great album

Yeah, weird that fans of the band might like it, whatever next? 😒

Bro I just checked the sub 💀 It’s crazy how in denial they are

@@samuel15097 liking an album isn’t being in denial… I haven’t heard it but I don’t think that would apply to any album

Shut up

It's called irony lol

After Simulation Theory I vowed to not listen to anything they release afterwards. I can't take this toxic relationship

This album is just hilarious. We have to laugh or else we'll cry.

I stopped taking Muse seriously around the time The 2nd Law was released. I still think they're super fun though.

Both MCR and Muse are top 5’s for me. Crazy to think they’ve played together, and Muse was the OPENER. That would be an insane act to follow lol. Their live shows are legit god-tier. Muse in a live setting is just phenomenal and I always say they’re someone everybody should see at least once to truly understand the genius that is Muse.

itgrew on me too, won´t stand dow is so great and still tifferent from songs like: starlight or hysteria

same here, every day I like it more

Good troll

Yeah the cognitive dissonance is strong. Fortunately the 80s guitar solo comes in at the right moment to lobotomize the listener into having fun. I'm sure that song will work great live.

How's it a fun Halloween song?

Operation Mindcrime

Deltron 3030 is so fire 🔥

Aren't most industrial albums dystopian?

Kid A

Megadeth? They have an album called Dystopia, and it's not bad.

Primm u listen to muse??

Have you heard the remake of origin of symmetry? Showbiz, oos and absolution are my faves Probably showbiz being close 3rd

Ww haven't even gotten to Nav either

@@KingThrillgore NAV is the GOAT, he doesn't need a review. We all know it's a 10.

Agreed

I agree 100%. Except for Big Freeze I like every song on that album, Explorers being an especially underrated track.

"Resistance over 2nd law" is pure nostalgia. Every banger on resistance is mid and while 2nd has some lows their highs are so much higher than "love is our resistance"

@@kaingates I don't think it's pure nostalgia, you have songs like unnatural selection, mk ultra and exogenesis symphony which although not the center of attention for this album , they are still great songs

i remember enjoying that album a lot as a teenager, i hadn’t began to look at reviews or ratings for music at that point but i remember thinking it was pretty interesting overall. Survival was an awesome song, Supremacy reminded me of Kashmir and had some killer moments. Animals was cool too. As I’ve listened to more music it’s become less unique of an experience to me but the cinematic vibe and more subtle sound on many of the tracks is still enough to give me positive feelings about it. It helps i was a big fan of dubstep at that time so those songs didn’t turn me away.

Agree. While I don't think it was one of their best albums, I think it's better than both The Resistance and Drones. I haven't listened to Simulation Theory or the new album enough to remember what the songs are like, but I expect to like them less.

See you're on the other end of the totem pole. Hated 2nd law and Simulation Theory, love everything else.

look at the Drones album cover, it speaks for itself

@@nekozombie Kinda funny how this album has the best cover art of the last 3 muse albums

I wish they would make a stonerdoom album. The superheavy riffs they often play live between the songs are awesome and groovy AF.

Muse are my favourite indie band

Muse aren’t and never have been indie my friend

@@tomdawe3513, I've mentioned that Muse lost their "indie roots" from the first two albums. If you know them you know about their indie influences, like Radiohead and Jeff Buckley. I'm referring to the early 90's alternative rock, not indie in the post Strokes and garage rock revival. Anyway, I think Muse is not a good pop rock band. I prefer the more guitar-driven music from their early carrier to that mixture of synthesizer and metal riffs from their last albums.

@@viniciusapolinario5980 I think I get what you mean, but I wouldn't call them losing their "indie roots". I would just call it "they lost their souls and passion". Because there's a lot of passion put into OoS and Absolution

so true. they're always holding on to the rock comfort zone and some of their quirks, which aren't inherently bad but they're just completely tasteless within the context of the new poppier songs they're trying to create. I guess they also changed from angsty teens into cringy dads, so that paints a picture of what's the best we can hope for in terms of real emotions lol. But even cringy dads could be tasteful if executed well.

This is their best album since Resistance.

@@eaglesandowls musically maybe, but lyrically definitely not

@@damjanp7920 people still care about Muse lyrics in 2022? The music is the most important thing

ngl in a vacuum, "We Are Fucking Fucked" is at least moderately funny in a black comedy sense

@@Number9Robotic well Matt even said it's basically a lost B-side, which makes it a lot more interesting to imagine them playing this 10+ years ago as a closer, like they did with a similar-energy song "Agitated". But back then, the rest of their set could be taken seriously.

That's how their entire last album felt. Moments of songs that seemed like "oh shit here we go" and then it transitions to the next part like "aaaand.... ruined."

Euphoria is literally Time Is Running Out faster

Since that album came out sometimes I just walk around my house saying "Supermassive black hoooooooole" like the background vocals in that track. It's fun.

that was actually the turning point.

That album was just past their peak, it was the "twilight" of their peak.

Someone who gets it!!

I understand that some of the campiness is intentional, but my thing is... I'm not even sure Muse know how seriously they want to be taken anymore.

I always fond the appeal of muse to be that they were both ridiculous and took themselves completely seriously. So now that there self aware about there silliness it's not fun anymore

thx oogie googie

@@ingenieroriquelmecagardomo4067 Welcome.

That would be like people trying to listen to Meteora again and pretend like its the current album. No one will ever forget will of the people just like how no one ever forgets One more Light, for all the wrong reasons.

@@bruhmomentseverywhere to be fair, they remastered and remixed the album last year.

The 2nd Law was lit tho

Drones was at least somewhat conceptual and built a world and told a story throughout the track list. It’s not their best but there’s definitely some nostalgia there.

Wrong

@@maikawest7739 musically it sucked

An opinion is not “THE TRUTH!”

Simulation theory

Are we just going to skip over their previous albums where they just went fucking Skrillex on this shit like no fuck that

@@csvscs 2nd law has only one track like this

It seems like people either love it or hate it. It has been getting a lot of positive reviews too.

They weren't good during The Resistance. The 2nd Law was good. But after that I don't know

@@eaglesandowls But the people who i like it are just saying “don’t take it so seriously”, which is bullshit. If you don’t want me to take it seriously maybe don’t base your entire album off of some ambiguous dystopian world and try to intertwine it with garbage like “You Make Me Feel Like It’s Halloween”

@@garmen- So do you take movies and tv shows that have this same theme seriously? It's supposed to be fun and entertaining.

@@DegraTrip the hell are you talking about, The 2nd Law is their worst album by far

it's also because he's a terrible lyricist

Me too. 🙏😂 Xx

Ok then

🙌

You're not supposed to take it seriously. The title track is literally making fun of that "will of the people" mentality that led to events like the capital insurrection

@@filipebarbosa2983 even though the song is ironic, it still takes itself seriously. The whole message is "extremists will believe anything you tell them". which is fucking insane considering the fact Muse held the opposite statement in most of their discography. hypocritical even

god you have awful taste in music lol

Don't insult Imagine Dragons by comparing them to this dreck.