Muse Sucks 

I first read the title as 'music sucks' and thought wow that's an interesting switch up

They went from sounding like cool space inspired alt-rock act with tongue-in-cheek, double entendre lyrics and SICK bass lines to sounding like angry Imagine Dragons...

Fantano overlooking Origin of Symmetry reminds me of Brad Taste doing the same thing, then relistening to the album and actually giving it a fair grade

I am FULLY on board with shitting on post-2012 Muse, but I wholeheartedly believe the first half of their career is some of the best alt rock ever made. Melon describing Origin of Symmetry as “a decent project” is a massive understatement. And the Radiohead mention is so tired and dumb… apart from Showbiz, the bands are not even remotely similar. But goddamn it is so sad to see them punch below their weight for basically a decade.

There is no reason to talk down on Origin of Symmetry. Fuck man, Muse was the shit back in the day.

Calling Origin of Symmetry a "fairly good project" is just flat out blasphemy

Muse are a fascinating case of a band that has experienced a kind of Flanderization - back in the early 2000's, Muse were a band that played a unique concoction of prog, space rock, metal, glam, grunge and classical music, and wrote songs about many things. There were a few songs which delved into political topics, but that was never the main thing they wrote about in those days, with most of their songs simply being about whatever Matt was feeling when he wrote them (usually while under the influence of mushrooms). However, at some point around the Resistance era - the first album that was mainly concerned with the political stuff - they began to accumulate a lot of conspiracy theorists in their fanbase who were attracted to those songs that were all about sticking it to some vague authoritarian group. Muse have seemingly spent their entire career since pandering to these people, since they know how much they can milk them for cash, while gradually driving all the other fans away, and most tragically, sacrificing their original early 2000's sound - what initially made people like them - in the process. Muse have never been able to capture the specific vibe that their albums from Origin of Symmetry to Black Holes and Revelations had again and it's a damn shame.

I initially got into Muse because of their INCREDIBLE skill as a trio. Muse can fuckin' PLAY, and they would take advantage of that by writing some DIFFICULT songs and brought insane energy when they performed them, especially live. It's that skill they would show off that made them so fun to listen to. I think most of us in the comments will agree that their run of albums from Origins of Symmetry to the Resistance was phenomenal. The 2nd Law and Drones had some decent riffs and ideas, but they were messy albums overall. What really pisses me off about Muse and where they are today is that they aren't using the talent that they have to their advantage anymore. They just keep putting out easy songs with unimpressive riffs, simple rhythms, and smooth vocals. I feel like that fucking Chelsea fan meme. There's no passion, no aggression, no vision, and yet they STILL have the talent to give us an album that'll give us that kick we're looking for. It's so frustrating. I'll just keep listening to their old stuff.

Muse was solid, until every song became "they can't control us, government bad, rise up!".

Don’t even act like Knights of Cydonia isn’t heat.

I always thought the "political" messaging with Muse was just a sci-fi trope thing.

I've always felt that the song Uprising was what killed Muse. It was a massive success and kinda pushed them more into the mainstream. I think Matt saw that and thought "this is where it's at" and went on to try to recreate that success. They even release a song that sounds almost the same every two albums (Psycho, WOTP) and promote it as the main single.

All true, but that being said, I still fuck with Origin of Symmetry, Absolution, and Black Holes and Revelations.

I had quite the Muse phase while in middle school and it felt so disappointing to see them become more and more a shell of their former selves with each new album. My piano teacher was a big fan of them and I have great memories of learning music theory through their first albums, but we both agreed to not touch anything after The Resistance 😔

Before Warner pushed them to do a greatest hits album and the band responded by doing Will of the People, Matt had mentioned that they were thinking about 'hitting the restart button' and relocating to their hometown in Devon. I'm desperate to see them do that at this point if it means purging all of the terrible infuences they've been surrounded by and putting out worse and worse records.

also, didn't they play Resistance at Malaysia specifically due to it's lyrics supporting love?

I think you're downplaying how good their initial records were, but it can't be denied that their last few albums have been inconsistent messes.

Origin of Symmetry and Absolution slap :/

They didn't always suck. Their first few records were excellent.

Their early albums are great. Muscle Museum, Newborn, Showbiz, Sing for Absolution, Map of the Problematique (to name a few) are still gorgeous, intricate and mindblowing songs. Top notch songwriting, compelling lyrics, and killer musicianship. As another commenter mentioned, I think Uprising was the beginning of their descent into cringe suckiness. While not a bad song, the commercial success of that single with it’s vague sloganeering, simplistic anthemic chorus, and generic rebellion call-to-action planted the seeds for the devolution of the band’s sound into mind-numbing quasi revolutionary stadium rock and blatant pandering. I used to admire the Muse boys as artists, but the cynic in me says they’re just all about easy money and fame now, given the huge nosedive in quality the past decade. That said, I want to leave room for the benefit of the doubt. Maybe Muse aren’t motivated by greed/chart success but a misplaced idea of what their fans actually want from them. Their highest streaming songs on Spotify are all from their early records, meaning the quality of those songs is still what drives people to them. I hope the band realizes that themselves soon enough.

I doubt this will be seen, but to add context to them taking the song from their set list in Malaysia, they replaced We Are Fucking Fucked with Resistance, a song about secret love. Probably a better overall message to fit in when you're performing in a country whose government doesn't like LGBTQ+ people. To quote the song, "Love is our resistance - They'll keep us apart, and they won't stop breaking us down - Hold me - Our lips must always be sealed" Saying it's a negative for people like Glenn Beck to have found common ground with Muse is somewhat of a non-point when we live in a world where right wing assholes say they like or liked RATM; I don't think that fact makes RATM any worse. And yes, the overall quality of albums from their first half to second half did have a drop-off. I will say their albums up to WOTP are, in my opinion, not nearly as bad as people make them out to be a lot of the time. I think the issue is the lows on the album are typically VERY low, but they also have some bangers. But yes, I listened to WOTP a few times hoping it world grow on me and haven't been back since. Not great. They still put on an amazing live show, though.

the fall off of muse is something that should be studied in museums. how do you go from songs like stockholm syndrome, knights of cydonia, new born, and muscle museum, to fucking dig down and thought contagion? Edit: okay thought contagion isn’t that bad, I just think it pales in comparison to their earlier work.

Muse removing WAFF was replaced with them playing ‘’Resistance’’ which is a song about secret love, it’s even more fitting and it’s a good way to not get cancelled during your show like 1975 and still get a message across

Idk much about Muse but Undisclosed Desires will always be a banger to me

Muse 🤝 50 Cent Being absolutely hated by Fantano

Plug In Baby being a fucking banger is all I care about

I’m praying for a Foo Fighters-esque comeback moment from Muse because their old work was so good. Like come on there’s gotta be an ounce of good left in the chamber for them

I still argue that Origin of Symmetry is one of the greatest albums of all time

I would retitle this video “Muse sucks now” because their 2000s material is quite good

Say what you will about them Anthony, but I've seen them twice now and they're absolutely one of the best live bands around. I'm not what you'd call a superfan of them, but if they're playing at a festival, I always make it a priority to catch their set.

Muse: "They will not control us!" Also Muse: "Of course we'll censor ourselves for your personal comfort, sir."

My favourite Muse moment was when, in the middle of a global pandemic where conspiracy theorists were losing their mind about how mask/test/vaccine mandates were the government trying to control us, they started making an album about the government trying to control us, and by the time the album actually came out, virtually all mask/test/vaccine mandates had been gone for months.

Matt Bellamy is one of the most talented musicians in "mainstream" music and nothing can change my mind on that. Incredible pianist, amazing guitar player, and unbelievable voice (mostly on the first half of his career). And he wrote some gorgeous pieces too. It's not like he can't write. Man is simply a genius.

muse was actually the first rock band to be a fan of. It was my introduction in rock music. They didn’t scare me. I listened to every single song and love them to this day. My tastes have grown a lot since but i still love muse for their music

I quit my job to attend a Muse concert because they wouldn’t let me get the time off and yet I agree with pretty much everything you said here in this video lmao

Undisclosed Desires is an undeniable banger

KoC goes hard on GH3

Why does it sound like fantano still secretly likes muse

Muse were the band that got me into music. I didn't have much of a musical palate prior to learning about them; I was just listening to what was topping the charts. Muse were what got me diving into full albums, paying attention to lyrics (ironic giving this video's content), and analyzing song structure. I still think their first five albums (yes, even The Resistance to an extent) were very good. But I do agree that they've taken a massive nosedive beginning with The 2nd Law. I didn't even listen to their latest album, I'm so uninterested. Totally on board with the video's sentiments, I just wanted to throw out that their early work really had something good in it.

For context: They replaced "We Are F*cking F*cked" (a dumb song about how we're all doomed and the world is ending) with "Resistance" (a song about love always resisting and always defeating hate). Say what you want about it, but they didn't censor themselves, quite the opposite. Edit: Also, i really recommend you take a look at the Malaysian subreddit to get an understanding about the 1975 story and how the singer's act actually made the government double down on the persecution against LGBTQ people. Praising an act that did way, WAY more harm than good to a group of people is weird.

As a huge fan of both bands, I've never seen the validity in the argument that Muse is derivative of Radiohead. Maybe a little on Showbiz, but Origin of Symmetry is really its own beast that could only be created by Muse. Matt is a bad lyricist but I don't think it's fair to associate Muse with their worst fans. Though I think "brace for the final solution" in Thought Contagion should never have seen the light of day

I still love "Hysteria" and "Knights of Cydonia" but _good lord_ they've been awful for like a decade now.

About the Malaysia concert, it is true that they did remove a song from their setlist by request, but the one they substituted for it was a song about how love is more powerful than the system. So they sort of relayed the message even more directly.

I admit, I am a muse fan. When it comes to their lyrics, I feel like I've always been pretty forgiving for two reasons. 1: Matt Bellamy is the frontrunner and definitely leads the group with extremely complex and innovative composition (referring to their superior first few albums, not so much the recent ones), and I think that it's fair to accept some degree of compromise on the lyric he writes in exchange for all the work he did in blending genres and contributing to production. and 2: I never really wanted an outspoken protest from them against a specific cause. What always drew me to Muse was the sense of escapism. Their lyrics are like something out of a young adult sci-fi book and pardon me for being an absolute dweeb,as a high schooler, I thought those vague 1984 references were something super clever -- a fictional world that, i realized as a maturing, conscious milennial, mirrors the way the real world is falling down around us. Is it overplayed at this point? absolutely (no pun intended). And if Muse was so down to switch up their style so drastically on their last few albums, I think it's fair to expect a departure from vague political / scifi overtones. All this to say... I'm still a Muse fan lol. catch me at the gym going my 100% hardest when that Knights of Cydonia breakdown comes on.

Muse was brilliant up until 2011. Then they fell off a cliff. They did not copy Radiohead, that's the laziest narrative possible. Origin of Symmetry is a world class album, so are Absolution, Black Holes and Resistance. I've seen them live three times and they're honestly one of the best live bands I've ever seen.

Early material is great, title could make one assume they've always sucked, though I'm sure "Muse Sucks Now" isn't as attention grabbing. The performances on Origin of Symmetry are amazing and their first several albums have artist merit that their modern image shouldn't discourage viewers from checking out. Similar situation to Coldplay.

This video hurt me Antknee. As much as Muse sucks nowadays, their run from Showbiz to The Resistance is some of my favorite music on the freaking planet. Not only is it nostalgic for me (Muse was the first rock band I called "my favorite band"), but Muse got me to continue to play the Piano, they got me to learn guitar and experiment with effects, and I still return to their music all the time. They will always be my 2nd favorite band. I will say this, for each of their records post 2nd Law, they are definitely trying very very hard to make music they would enjoy. We arent enjoying it, but I can tell Matt Bellamy and the gang thought "yeah, Whammy Pedal dubstep is a good idea! 'Your ass belongs to me now' on Psycho is a good idea! Getting Timbaland as a producer on an electronic rock album is a good idea! The line 'We are fucking fucked' is a good idea!" They give their bad ideas a budget of a Marvel movie. I respect that at least.

How in the HECK is Muse anything like Radiohead? I'm a big fan of Muse's first 5 albums, and of most of Radiohead's work, but I have NEVER understood why people say Muse sounds like Radiohead. Now hearing Fantano mention it I feel like I'm an alien or something. What am I missing?

Up til drones they were great. I dont care what anyone says "The 2nd Law" bumps

they made more than one song?

Muse have always been one of my favorite bands ever since I first heard the song Hysteria and was blown away by its ridiculously bad ass bass riff. That being said, it gets harder and harder to defend the band as none of their releases since The Resistance have been good. Drones was absurdly goofy, Simulation Theory tried some fun new things that just didn’t work (you’re not Prince, Mr. Bellamy) The 2nd Law decided it might be cool to throw some terrible dubstep in and WOTP was…honestly not that bad in my opinion (I know) but the title track was laughably bad. But I will defend We Are Fucking Fucked to my dying day that shit rules ok

Look, I'm obviously a massive fan. And while I do vouch for them, even today, I can understand why people don't like them post-Resistance. But you cannot invalidate that Showbiz and Hullabaloo are fantastic, Origin Of Symmetry, Absolution, and Black Holes And Revelations are masterpieces. They have cemented themselves as one of the greatest live bands of all time as well. I personally do enjoy them still, but to say they straight up suck is just bs.

Went to see their KL show last week, and I got to admit songs from WOTP like Compliance and Halloween are good live even if you're not a big fan of them on the album. The thing about Muse is that they will always put on a good concert.

I think Fantano is overly critical on this one. Went and saw them live and they were awesome. Totally agree though about their latest album, WOTP is a pretty big let down as a Muse fan.

Fantano just can't help himself, his body needs him to make a Muse hating video every once in a while lol

I feel like the main difference between Origin of Symmetry and Will of the People is that when writing Origin, the band was on mushrooms. When writing Wotp, the band was raising families, and I don't blame them for this. In recent years their drive to be as financially successful as possible comes off more because they want to provide for their families more than anything else.

All the way up till resistance was just amazing music in my eyes then 2nd law came and had a couple of decent tracks and then it kinda went down hill from there and I still give there music a chance because they meant a lot to me growing up.

2008: first Hunger Games book releases 2009: The Resistance releases I think we know what happened.

How’s the lawsuit going

I dunno man, I just saw them live for the 6th time and they continue to blow the doors off. Incredible live act with a chunky back catalog

Excuse me? Origin Of Symmetry isn't great?? Wtf are you smoking?

Man idk they’re just fun. I really can’t see why they’re worth getting so mad over. I totally get why they’re not people’s thing but they’re not “destroying rock music”. I know it’s cheesy and stupid but sometimes that’s what I wanna listen to.

I think the next Muse album will be better... because i cant see how it could get any worse

I feel like the whole "muse sucks" thing was cool in 2012 when they were still making hits but at this point they're so irrelevant that I just can't help but look back and appreciate the great music they made from 2000-2006. Bashing muse in 2023 at this point is like kicking a dead horse. You're also looking at it strictly from an album perspective. Muse was one of the best live acts from that decade.

SPACE DEMENTIA💛💛💛💛

ooof this is a tough one for me muse were my favorite band, from a bit before the resistance dropped, until like a year or two after drones, to the point i've made long lasting friendships with local fans, went to their hometown literally 6 years ago (i'm from latinamerica), saw them at reading festival's front row, appeared on the BBC streaming and got a setlist signed by matt and dom TR was my first muse release and didn't meet my expectations considering their past discography, so my friends and i waited for their return to form. drones was good imo, but can't say the same for the rest and i'm sure the issue has been matt himself this whole time ngl, i think it's obvious he holds the band's musical vision and he just won't leave his comfort zone. he won't go deeper in his politics themes, musical ideas, writing habilites, composition, you name it which sucks! they're very good musicians and matt himself is very talented, but he needs to accept some help to make his ideas come true in a well executed way. the man just can't humble himself and be vulnerable, and it shows. and he's dragging the band with him with that being said, i don't think the song issue is that bad. granted, i guess changing the song because its title has a swear word is super lame, but they picked resistance as the replacement, which is literally a song about hidden love. so i kinda see what they did there still tho, shows that muse/matt doesn't have a backbone. how are you so easily convinced to change a song because of a swear word, when that song is part of an album that invites to popular uprising and challenging the status quo? why did you call the organizers in the first place, why not change the song without letting them know? i hope they take the backlash as fuel for writing what they actually believe and stand for. i don't think that would be an issue for other bands, but muse has made those themes their brand and aesthetic, looking stupid in the process their live shows are still amazing and matt is a great showman tho, probably gonna see them again if/when they come back

Muse replaced The song WAFF from the Malaysia setlistn because it had swear words and replaced it with the rong The Resistance, a song that has become a gay anthem in MUSE circles because of it's mentions of love being suppressed by the powers that be. It was the best choice they could have made

2001 Muse: Microwaves me insane A blade cuts in your brain Sounds like forks on a plate Blackboard scratched with hate 2022 Muse: Ah We are fucking fucked Ah We are fucking fucked

matt bellamy is a stagnant genius

Take that back anthony! 😔 😟

I really dislike the latest albums, but still have found myself going to many of their latest concerts because of friends and family. The classics are still great, and the new stuff shines a little bit more live. They also put up an incredible show every time with props and effects. It gets cornier every time but you still have a lot of fun. I feel weird supporting them for getting worse every time but they do some of the most spectacular concerts. I specially liked Simulation Theory even though I was very cynical about the already tired 80's retro direction

Look, I understand where people are coming from when they say they liked the first 2-3 albums of a band better than their later work. I’ve seen this said about Coldplay and Oasis too, as well as a bunch of other bands. I get it, but people who harp on it so much and begin to say they dislike or even hate a band because of their newer albums just seems weak to me. There aren’t 10 songs by Pearl Jam I like more than the entirety of their debut record. Same goes for Chevelle and their 3rd album. I have my favorites, but just because I don’t vibe with someone’s later work doesn’t mean I’m going to write them off as sucking. I’d still say I like Pearl Jam and Chevelle, even if I don’t actively listen to more than half their studio albums. In fact, I say good for the groups that stick together, even if they rest on their laurels a bit. Musicians don’t owe it to anyone but themselves to make music, and adding songs to their library that their fans dislike doesn’t change how much people enjoy their early stuff. If you liked Muse in the past, but you think they tainted their legacy over the last ten years, that’s just on you. Your tastes don’t have to evolve with a band, and that’s okay. Going on and on about how you used to like a band, but now actively hate them is just for the birds, imo

My whole music career is hitting the drums too hard and waking the neighbors while playing Muse in Rockband on the 360

I’m not doing well anymore

I’ve always considered Muse to be a band that accidentally wrote stadium rock songs, and have then spent the rest of their career trying to intentionally write stadium rock songs.

I was such a fan for so long to the point of writing out a draft of a musical based on their music. I still had hope of trying to get it made up until I heard the dubstep album and then the next like 2 or 3 albums after. They just don’t hit the same and I can’t get down with them like I used to.

Albumwise, kinda yes sadly. Muse live, NO THEY DON'T!

i have a muse tattoo. i was a DIE HARD fan of the band for YEARS, like their music got me through my teen years. i love their albums up through the late 2000s, up until around resistance. i really really haven’t been able to get at all into anything they’ve made since then. i like drones okay, but man everything else from the 2010s on has been pretty rough. i like don’t and can’t call myself much of a fan anymore. their live shows are still absolutely unreal, i saw them on the simulation theory tour and it was unbelievable. but man i don’t like most of the music. i still frequently listen to their first three albums and i have a soft spot for bhar and resistance. but that’s about it. it’s a shame too, they had so much promise for the first half of their career. i called them my all time favorite band for years. but god yeah a couple songs here and there aside their stuff for the last eleven years has been terrible

3:02 - I'm pretty sure this song was written at the start of the pandemic and has sort of satirical tongue-in-cheek references of how people were hoarding toilet paper and stuff, but it's also got some real anxiety mixed in there as Matt has mentioned in interviews. At the time it was written, nobody knew what would happen with the pandemic. A vaccine was not even in development yet. It's like they made anxious overthinking personified by the lyrics of a song. As someone with severe anxiety, I can relate. I've heard it live and it was a banger. I also love that this song has the exact opposite message of their song The Void, which is super optimistic about the future of humanity. Muse are very nerdy and write about a lot of philosophical type stuff, and that's part of why I love them. They've spoken in interviews about how a lot of their songs were meant to be sort of ironic and over-the-top in a fun way. But they also have a sincerity to them and aren't afraid to write really expressive emotional songs, which I like. I feel like Fantano misunderstands Muse a lot. They aren't his cup of tea, fine, but I think it's unfair for him to say they're bad or shit on their music so much just because it's not his thing. But the weird thing about music or art in general is how different people's perceptions can be. To me, Muse has a very distinctive sound in their music, particularly the classical-influenced stuff. It's hard for me to understand how someone could listen to the last few minutes of a song like "Citizen Erased" and not be moved. But that's just how it is, no matter how good something is there's gonna be someone trashing it somewhere haha By the way, I think it's laughable to critique a piece of art on the basis of being "uncool". That's a concept that is extremely subjective and changes all the time. Muse knows they aren't seen as cool by a lot of people, and they have even mentioned this in interviews. But ironically, that not caring and nerdiness is part of why I think they are very cool. MGMT is another band totally unconcerned about being seen as cool... Read any of their recent interviews. I think Fantano needs to work on letting go of his ego and obsession with his image a little bit. It seems like he's afraid to be perceived as a nerd. Maybe that's why he killed off his excellent Cal Chuchesta character. I don't know the lore, but I do know Cal was funny af.

Muse is one of the rock bands that defined the type of rock music I like as I was growing up. It felt different and had its own identity compared to stuff released by others. The mix of space-synth, electric guitar, crunchy bass and piano gave them a uniqueness to their sound. But as time have gone I've noticed not only on Muse but many other bands and artists I follow, the way the music industry works, in which artists are expected to release the same album, with the same music genre over and over because doing other-wise is betraying what people know them for, makes them artistically stagnate. If you see the rock scene right now, many of the bands that keep releasing albums to this day, are mostly known for the records they made decades ago Thanks for listening to my TedTalk

Agree that muse sucks. BUT, haven’t many LGBQT+ folk in Malaysia openly stated that Matty Healy is doing them a disservice by going against the norms there? I’ve seen several people on socials talking about how they’d rather have concerts exist in their country than their messaging being pushed (even if Healy’s message is a good one). I see Muse cutting those songs from the set list as them giving those people a concert. I understand that it’s going against the messaging they’re putting in their music and yes there absolutely is hypocrisy, but I think at the end of the day they want people to hear their music.

Ok you didn't have to make a whole video, you convinced me with the thumbnail

In 2006, I had been away from radio music for several years. But “starlight” came on in a friends car one day and it was brilliant. Hoping they might be a band that sounds like that in general, I went and bought the CD. Outside of the 2-3 solid tracks, I tried to get into it for a few months (that’s what we did with CD’s to get our money’s worth) but it was ultimately a whole lotta inconsistent filler. I haven’t touched anything since.

One thing that always bothered me about muse is that they would take Melodies and excerpts from classical piano (Chopin op 9 no 2, lots of Rachmaninov etc) but it always felt like they were trying to pass it off as their own because it’s all public domain lol

Does Muse suck because they are trying to sue a company even after they complied with a cease and desist?

what I like saying about Muse is that they have about the same trajectory and number of quality albums as Coldplay, except Coldplay gets way more flack for being pop all along

It's sad, but it's kinda how their live shows went as well. They were absolute beasts at the beginning (tons of material on youtube), so much energy, so much intensity, so physical, a lot of spontaneous improvisation, matt screaming, going crazy, losing themselves... and this was mostly just them and their instruments. Slowly it was replaced with throwing more and more money at the extravagant, flamboyant and expensive gimmick props, lights, screens, whatever the fuck, which was cool at the beginning, but then the musicians, the people, became more and more distant, Matt stopped screaming, and things started to feel more and more staged and sterile... and here we are. A bit like seeing a small business of rebellious and ambitious friends become a giant mechanical corporation. A story as old as time, tbh. Still fucking love the old Muse to death. The musicianship, the intensity, the blend of genres, the melodies, Matt's voice...

Muse had a REALLY big hit with "Uprising" and they've been trying to chase that hit ever since without looking at why their fans liked them in the first place. Uprising isn't a bad song in my opinion, but it was way more simplified and direct then anything they made before and I still consistently hear that song in public and on the radio. I do really believe that it's not The Resistance album as a whole, but that specific song that made Muse what they are today, for better or worse.

They have a ton of good songs. Excellent live band as well.

I do agree there is a downfall with their music. Although the past few albums fell short, and sent chills up my spine in the wrong way with some tracks, to me they still delivered in songs like (the dark side, Reapers, Dead Inside, Panic Station, Supremacy, We are effing effed is cheesy but good, wont stand down, kill or be killed to name a few) I wont give up on them specifically because they are some of the best musicians rock has known in the alt category.

The 2nd Law was a masterpiece, it was musically amazing with a good variety of styles. For once the lyrics aren’t “rise up against the government “ but instead “the way we are living is unsustainable treating our resources as if they weren’t finite” Animals finally has lyrics a bit more specific critiquing bankers and massive corporations who keep taking more and giving less back.

This is freaking me out. I just heard Muse for the first time at my new job. The stereo wars has been thick so far, but this really put it up a notch. How do I explain to Gen z that Muse is not tolerable at any point in the shift?

I get your point about their messeging being usually cringe and all that. Still tho, I think they deserve huge credit and respect strictly for musical talent they have. I think it’s agreed upon that in their prime these three guys really knew how to put together a song that is well written, tastefully produced and just super fucking fun to listen to, like goddamn I can write such a long list of their songs that I still come back to and think to myself damn, how do you write a banger like that? Imo they stand out in terms of the musical talent value and it’s important to notice and appreciate them for that and definitely their weaknesses shouldn’t be covering up their strenghts. Also they are just so solid live, like fucking top notch, if you ask me they should be seen as a benchmark for how tight a band can be. Anyway I’m gonna share my top 10 songs of theirs that I just think if you’re a rock fun you really should give a spin if anyone cares at all. 10. Showbiz 9. Citizen Erased 8. Map of the problematique 7. The handler 6. Supremacy 5. Darkshines 4. City of delusion 3. Assassin 2. Plug in baby 1. Knights of cydonia

I think Radiohead is the pretentious band, not Muse

This reminds me of William Goldman's devastating critique of his time on the film 'Memoirs Of An Invisible Man'. He said "I had no problem exploring the loneliness of invisiblity; I just didn't want to explore it with Chevy Chase".

Ugh, the criticism of early Muse that they they were "a little derivative of Radiohead" is so lazy. Their music was completely different and the comparison always annoyed me because the only similarities between the two bands is that they both play rock music and Bellamy has a similar voice to Yorke.

Say what you wanna say about muse, but their live shows are the best, they are arguably some of the best performers. Terrible lyricists though lol.

The last decent thing they did was Blackholes. After that it's some of the cheesiest overly dramatic "we live in a society" shit ever.

I was a huge Muse head back in the day. Discovered them when the Starlight music video premiered then went into their older stuff. They were my favorite band and one of the only ones that I was interested in beyond the music. Its been so hard to call myself a fan. I still listen to the old stuff and love them just the same, but after the Resistance I have been enjoying their work less and less. To the point were I can't get through an album and listening seems like a chore. Its crazy that a band that used to he so creative and imaginative is now making the most derivative rock music today. Even Imagine Dragons is putting more interesting stuff. To their credit, they still are one of the best live acts. The live versions can make the worst song a bit better. At least they have that.

I spent the greater half of my teenage years following Muse on tour, seeing them live and meeting the friends i made through them and believe me this switch in their music is disappointing even for many of their fans...