Go to Surfshark.deals/hoovies and use code HOOVIES to get 83% off a 2 year plan plus 3 extra months for free! Thanks Eddy's Chevrolet for letting me borrow the very very custom Defender! www.eddyschevrolet.com
@Hoovies Garage check the alarm when you lock the car with the FOB it may be draining your battery it tends to do that on british cars, it turns on the volumetric alarm
The customized Defender is truly impressive. All it needs is a wealthy, adventure-minded buyer who will no doubt feel confident in using it to make that demanding, treacherous and unforgiving trek to the nearest Starbucks.
I must admit my experience with the brand range rover has been very different, as I have never had a vehicle as reliable as my 2008 Range Rover HSE. It has been nothing but a gem, never left me stranded. I absolutely love my car. Just rolled over 102K miles lives in Los Angeles, and it is my favorite of my cars. I also own a 1997 S 320 W140 MB, a 1995 E320 cab, and a 1995 MB E320 TE, and of all these, my RR is my favorite still today. So I disagree with everything Tyler says.Let's face it, when you own a car, any car, you must maintain it in a preventative way. I did that and I love my car still today.
I bought almost the same car a couple of months before the original video came out and was sour at the great price Hoovie got. 18 months later I’m glad I paid the premium, car has been fabulous.
My stepbrothers wife used to be a successful salesperson for one of the big radio networks and she always bought Range Rovers. But as soon as they got close to the end of the warranty she'd trade it in on a new one. When she retired, she bought an Acura.
So sad, i have a 2008 supercharged that has 150k miles, bought it used with 20k miles, only issue i had was ac quit 8 years ago and cost $800 to fixed, been great truck
Sorry to hear your misadventures, I have a 2008 full size with the good 4.4 jaguar engine, waiting for the original air suspension to leak, but so far other then brakes it has been great! Than again I am proactive , Keep it on a trickle charger and rebuilt the air compressor. It is the perfect cold weather car here in Canada
My suspension light error was the brake switch on the brake pedal. Nice cheap fix. £10. No issues with the actual brake lights but I read on a forum it could cause the warning light and transmission errors etc. changed it 3 years ago and it has never happened since.
@@OMGWTFLOLSMH I’ve done just over nearly 40,000 miles since I’ve changed the switch and i haven’t had the error lights since. I know it’s ridiculous but it fixed my problem.
The smart-key feature on my German land-yacht is causing a fault in the transmission due to a short in a door handle. Nothing surprises me anymore with high end 2000s European cars
The secret with LR/RR is to buy new and never skimp on maintenance, and sell before warranty is up. The crucial turning point is the first and subsequent owners after the warranty runs out. As soon as it’s run on a limited budget and servicing starts to get missed and/or not done at a specialist, that’s the start of things going down hill. Buying this vehicle at any point in its history, doesn’t mean you can maintain it at the price level you bought it at, it always has to be maintained like a $100k vehicle, do that and it’ll run and run. Buy one of these from an loving original owner and cherish it also then you’ll do alright. Neglect it and it’ll bite your a***
I had a Subaru Forester with a semi-constant CEL. I would fix one thing and it would last a few weeks, then another thing would trigger it. I finally got rid of the bulb. Ignorance is bliss.
@@cafe405 I once bought a truck that had a piece of electrical tape over the SES light that I didn’t notice until the next day. The joys of buying questionable purchases at night 🥲. I guess that’s the lowest tech solution, haha.
I love the old Land Rovers and Defenders, I had the opportunity many years back to go round the 'jungle track' in Solihull. Ended up towing some of the newer models out. The newer ones are for people with money to throw away. I even drove past one stuck in heavy snow in a vw passat
The battery drain is 100% the Body Control Module. Impossible to fix though, on back order from England, current estimate on when they’re going to get made is 2-10 months
@@kens8903 right, so the deal is you pay Land Rover $1200 and then they put your VIN on a list and they’ll give you a call when they feel like making your part.
I have had my Range Rover Sport since 2013, I bought it new, and contrary to popular belief I have never had any problems with it, perhaps out of luck but I always take good care of it and for the last ten years it has taken good care of me 😎
My dear Americans, please stop calling Range Rovers "rovers", Rover is a different English car brand which made entirely different cars. - Sincerely, an Englishman
Its a bit late to offer advice - and I'm sorry to hear of your woes - but I would never ever take a JLR product to the dealers. Generally they are not interested in any car beyond its warranty and usually cannot carry out in depth diagnostics. A specialist diagnostic person would be much better. The forums are full of great advice - especially on your side of the pond - to the extent that between the USA and UK, most problems are solved. I cannot speak for the Land Rover side - but on the Jaguar side of things I have a 26 year old XK8 which feels (on the mechanical side) that it is hardly worn at all. The mechanical side of things (apart from silly ideas like plastic tensioners, shared with most German and American cars of that era) are pretty bullet proof, very logical and can often be taken to bits and repaired relatively easily. The secret (like most things in life) is to buy a kit of tools and do it yourself! Nonetheless, great content and well presented as always Sir!
Check the short earth wire which is attached to the top of the strut under the bonnet (1 on each side), these were very prone to snapping and will give suspension faults - a very easy fix if it is the issue.
It sounds like you’ve gotten the FULL Land Rover experience! I’m truly sorry, Hoovie. I too love the way they look & sound, and love the capabilities, but seeing your struggles and hearing nearly everyone in car fandom say the same about LR “reliability” will keep me coming back to Toyota for all my hard core off-road needs.
Sorry for what? That was his motto. He bought beat down cars for views. It's not like he's loosing he's daily driver or anything. Most of his cars are rotting in garages anyways
I have a unicorn a 2003 Land Rover Disco 2 with 201000 miles still runs drove it two times though the 199 in Oregon to Medford over 150 miles twice in one month still runs good. Yes cats bad leaks a little oil and little things with the auto locks. Drive or off road a lot. Still love it. But showing its miles....
My 94' discovery v8 manual runs great. I've some offroad modification but it's still ok on the road. Old LRs (before BMW era) are extremely reliable and can be fixed with basic tools and almost no experience. I took it to several jungle expeditions, offroad trails (mud and sand) and some road trips, has never failed me. I'm the fifth owner, bought it with a destroyed engine which took me a couple months to fix as well fitting a new clutch, steering pump and some electrical bits and mods. Probably dumped around 6-7k on it and it's just a brilliant car. I have another brand new Toyota pick up and a 2010 Range Rover but I rather daily drive my Disco any day.
I purchased a 2012 Range Rover Sport with 130k on it early this year. Not supercharged, but it is the GT Special Edition. When I bought it dealer told me they had replaced 2/3 of the suspension modules because there was a suspension fault. The last was on order but not in yet, but he conditioned the sale saying that if the error came back he would take care of it. Of course on my drive home, the fault came on the dash. He put that part on…didn’t fix it of course lol. Put an additional couple of parts on it & finally got it sorted. I recently took it in for oil change & inspection to a ship that specializes in these (local dealer won’t work on LRs over 10 years old)…there was one item it failed inspection wise. Wiper blades! I was totally shocked. Love the car. Have always loved them, always wanted one & had been super nervous buying the one I did, but happy with my decision. Maybe I got lucky 😂🤷🏼♂️
@@williamegler8771 that is very true. I’m not new to the game. However, my point was that for a RANGE ROVER to only fail one inspection area, of all being wiper blades is funny to me. Most cars a shop would at least point at something mechanically wrong with one of these was my point.
We had an Evoque where I work that would sometimes suffer from battery-drain. It turned out to be a broken wire under the driver’s seat. Whenever the seat was adjusted you’d have a flat battery in the morning. Took 3 different workshops to find it!
Draws can be such a pain, recently at my shop. A newer vehicle kept dying when it sat over night sometimes. 20 hours of diag, hotline contacted, field service engineer came down, no one could figure it out. Then on a -40 day another tech walked by it parked outside and the headlights were on. Told the tech working on it hey you left the headlights on. Turned out to be on -30 or colder days the headlights would come on and kill the battery
Well we car lovers keep doing it. I made a video buying the cheapest 2003 Range Rover in the country and 4 months later my timing chain skipped and engine was done. The vehicle was so amazing and so beautiful and had low miles considering. But in the end it got me
Pete... Let me know if you are considering another Range Rover. I have an associate that has a 2010 for sale. It has over 100k, but he told me that he has addressed all of the known issues with this model in addition to issues that were specific to the vehicle that he has. Just thought I'd mention it...
I had a p38 range rover that was coil swapped and I loved it honestly very reliable and drove it every day. It had 200k miles and never left me stranded
I’m extremely proud of the progress you have made since I started watching the channel. I would love to see more actual hoopties tho like before most of them now are kinda rich people hoopties not regular people stuff. Sprinkle a Buick or a Cadillac in the mix every once in a while would be great. A nice panther I would be ecstatic. Keep it up and continue to be blessed
A good friend just purchased a 2010 Range Rover with 134,00 km on it. I literally cringed when he told me, but I couldn't bring myself to tell him how big a mistake he just made.
I knew a sales/marketing guy at the last company I worked for. He was always broke even though he made six figures. The type of guy that was 100% focused on image and what he portrayed, regardless of the truth. So of course, he drove a 10 year old Land Rover. It was likely not the only factor contributing to his never ending insolvency, but I doubt that it helped. That old Defender is cool though. If I was an SUV guy I can imagine that'd be the type of thing I'd consider.
I agree on the new ones but I have a partially restored 110 diesel that has been my daily driver for a year with zero problems other than it leaks oil and rain drips inside like all of them. You should consider a nicely sorted $40 to $60k defender and have fun kitting it out.
I have a 2010 Range Rover HSE. Not the sport, the full-fat RR. Sure, I’ve had 2 problems (alternator and parking brake), various minor electrical gremlins, and it has some expensive maintenance, but I love it. If you go into it eyes wide open, then you won’t be upset. You’ll simply enjoy the best car ever.
Yeah! Some people would look at that and feel reassured that large items have been taken care of (especially if they want the vehicle and are all excited), but in reality it's just a non stop money pit.
Same thing for me with a 928S. I took it in for a pre-purchase inspection, looked in the glove box, saw thousands in repairs ($650 for a starter - back in the 90s) and I noped-out. I eventually bought another one, decades later and had no issues with it, but it was an original owner car and was dirt cheap. Drove it for a year and sold it for a profit.
@@OMGWTFLOLSMH This Range Rover was only 5 years old though! 😂 I can't understand why these Hugely Expensive vehicles can be sold with such bad reliability! They top the Unreliability Charts every year and to own one outside of warranty is financial suicide! That's why the residuals fall off a cliff!
@@Teh1nternetPerv Well it depends. Firstly rank. Officers have connections and capability. PMCs pay well and you can charge a lot. Whilst serving - unlikely - however using your skills and knowledge after leaving the service is up to you. So, TLDR: Yes.
20+ years ago I read of a Hollywood celebrity having to jog a mile or so to a Hollywood function because his Range Rover died in traffic. That was all I needed to know.
Same thing on mine I had several years ago. The suspension module will give an generic error (cannot remember the code) as well as the code of the actual error. However when you fix the actual fault (sticking crossover valve on mine) the generic fault would never clear and this would inhibit the suspension! I chased this for weeks and ended up replacing the suspenion control module and reprogramming the unit. This finally solved the issue.
Range Rover has an horrendous reputation for reliability -- seemingly inferior design/engineering. The running joke is that if you want one, make sure you have a second car...that isn't another Range Rover.
Had the same w/my ‘11 RRSSC. Arrnot finally admitted after months, their struts had an issue with the resistor and they were all going back to engineering and basically recalled. I have emails to that effect.
Check the remote start if it has it. I had a very similar issue on my 2017 Hyundai. The battery kept draining. Took it to 3 different mechanics. Finally my local dealership was doing some recall work and noticed the remote start had been installed incorrectly. We had paid a dealership we bought the car from to install remote start. Once the remote start was removed. The battery drain problem was fixed.
It be really nice if the people you wanted to get the suspension from the first time which Land Rover wouldn’t allow you to do would sponsor an install it in your truck to show what a better quality system it is and that they can get the light off I think that would really sell a lot of products for them.
Arnott doesn't need anymore business IMHO. I have replaced the stock air ride on both my Jaguar XJ (2006) and MBZ S550) 2009 with Arnott struts, and I'm extremely them. Only issue I have experienced to date was that one developed a slow-leak and would fail if the car sat for over 24 hours. Contacted Arnott about it and they told my that their struts carry a lifetime warranty. Just have to send them the core...and they send you a new part. Was easy and surprisingly fast...
Haha Hoovie I have a 1995 defender I bought as a rusty scrapworthy junkheap and now its worth 30k and totally restored, bought it for 3500, and have put about 10k into sorting it out fully. Old defenders dont have any ecu's at all, just 16 fuses in a compartment under the dash. As basic and barebones as it comes, super easy to fix and modify! But that's just because I know defenders inside out as a passion, from an outside perspective these modified American defenders are different beasts altogether, and make us some very jealous people! Worth the mega money? Absolutely not. If I had the money though? Yeah this would be in my garage lol
I think it was one of the old Mercedes forums you used to belong to.... someone asked about a Range Rover. The response was "if you think Mercedes maintenance is high, Range Rover is astounding". 8( Ask Samcrac also, they have snake bit him several times.
I love my 1995 4.6 HSE Range Rover. I've completely rebuilt pretty much the whole thing, including the engine, and it's not too bad reliability wise now 👍👍👍
My brother-in-law has one of these - exactly the same, but 2011. Engine blew up etc. etc. but, when business picked up again post-lockdown, he put a new engine in it (and other stuff) - because he loves it. Only cost him £12,000 (what's that in dollars? I dunno these days. Like $2,000?). "You're mad," I said. "I know," he sighed. Range Rovers are more like dogs than cars; we really love our dogs.
Had the exact same car. Mine was a 2011. Timing chains went bad at 50k. Had it fixed then it was a domino effect of other issues. Worst car I’ve ever had and worked on ended up, trading it in at Carmax.
@@billb.2673 suspension control module gets confused when components aren’t behaving, but it was the wrong move for him to do a coil swap. Those never drive right. The only other thing it could be is on the compressor there’s an exhaust valve for when the car is lowering, or when the car is parked on uneven surface and engine off, it’ll let air out of individual corners to try to level the car. If the pressure can’t escape from a dirty and clogged exhaust valve, it’ll build pressure where it’s not supposed to and completely throw off the module.
On my 2010, the error never presents itself on startup with a leak...there's about a 10 minute window even with a severe leak before the car realizes there's a leak and presents the red warning message. On startup, it would indicate a problem with the compressor itself, or one of the many sensors that's triggered during the self check. My 2010 had an error on startup once, and it was an accelerometer/g force sensor on the right front corner
@@97336cf yeah it can be a crapshoot with these. Sometimes the piston ring in the compressor wears out and it leaks air out of the cylinder, which means the motor works too hard and overheats, and to stop it from ruining itself it just does a fault and shuts off.
I’d actually like to see the full suspension get replaced back to the LR air suspension. I’d rather watch a series on fixing this car than most of the recent stuff…
$300k for the Landy conversion seams a lot , we have a company in the Uk called Overfinch that have been custom building Land Rovers since 1975 & were well known for putting American V8's in Range Rovers. As for you power drain , I had a P38 Range Rover that if left for a couple of days would flatten the battery , had new batteries, new ECU + relays but couldn't fix it. The dealer thought there must be a remote garage opener on the same wave length as my car in the area that keeps waking up the ECU , hence the power drain, have to have a trickle charger to get around the issue.
I know a guy that had the same problem. And his narrow it to the cigarette that was always on. He uses that for his phone, the device will not turn off even when the engine and keys off. The other thing is the vanity mirrors were always on. He disconnected the vanity mirrors. That solved his battery drain problems.
Watching these sorts of videos is like watching someone who keeps going back to their toxic ex and acting surprised when it causes a lot of drama and costs them a lot of money. 🤣
This is funny, I have both of these, however a very different opinion... An 08 Range Rover that's been great, very few issues over 110k miles but its a tdv8 (3.6 Ford powerstroke not sold in US). I built my own Defender with an LS3 crate engine and it cost me a tenth of that one! It helps that I live in England where parts are cheap and people know how to fix them... For example I can replace all 4 air struts for £2000, I'm amazed someone could charge that PER CORNER!
he's got the ones with the stupid active suspension. Even still before the pandemic I used to be able to get the parts overnighted and the freight was barely more than the VAT in the UK so there wasn't really any difference in the cost of parts. At the dealer those struts are around $1600 each and aftermarket is around $800 even in the UK they are over a grand each.
I have the exact same range rover with the same battery problem. Took it to the dealership for diagnosing but they never figured it out. My rear spoiler happened to fly off and later took it in for a recall on the glue that holds it down. But while there was no spoiler, I noticed the rear window defrost plug was corroded and causing a short. Replaced the plug and no more battery drain problems. (Car sat outside for a full Winnipeg winter and still fired up with no jumper pack.) I've heard only of 2 other cars with the same problem. It's worth checking out.
If you actually want to get rid of it, I’ll take it off your hands. Timing chain isn’t a huge deal if you do your oil changes, the chains and tensioners only got torn up because the Land Rover recommended oil change interval for these cars was an absurd 16,000 miles
I saw that Shmee episode and the people rebuilding those are unbelievably talented and meticulous. Such an amazing resurrection. You should give yours to Whistlin Diesel, he will know how to deal with it.
I’ve had 7 land rovers…mostly Range Rover Vogues but only had 1 dog and it was the previous owners penny pinching that was the cause. I see so many videos like this and they piss me off because the cars are good but the owners try to maintain them on the cheap or the ‘Dealer’ hasn’t got a clue how to fix them. They’re beautiful and very very capable cars and they never let you down when you look after them.
What maintenance would be involved with the airbags or wiring issues ? It just happens. More about poor design, poor engineering and poor quality issues. RR issues have been happening for decades and are at the bottom of the Consumer Reports reliability list.
@@foxlake6750 airbags do wear out you know, wiring turns brittle it’s a massive problem on airliners that’s why they have D checks, at least be clued up if your gonna try act smart
I had one. Sold it not long ago here in Australia. They sell for 40k-50k here. Only problem I had was the timing chain. But wasn’t really a problem. I got it fixed and back to normal she was. It was my favorite car.
Check the cluster of braided wires underneath the front door sills. Those corrode over time and cause MAJOR headaches. Trust me. If theres a clog in your roof drains, they fill up those sills, gotta love the design LOL @hooviesgarage
I owned a LR disco3 for several years and I will never again. I sold it last year for 2grand an I feel so happy now. Fortunately suspension is something I never repaired, the light was on for more than 8 years. So totally agree in that sense
Wow. I guess Im in the minority after 4 Range Rovers, 20 years and a couple hundred thousand miles......never left stranded. Normal consumables and a few coolant leaks due to plastic pipes getting old. Im about 80% done with a restoration on a 95 Range Rover Classic. I fixed everything with a shop manual and a dedicated EAS tool (pre OBDII). 166,000 miles on the engine and it purrs like a kitten.
They are certainly attractive, in their own fashion. But by the time they started to get popular in the USA I was already in the car business, and all the smart ladies and gentlemen I knew were telling everybody: " suspect quality, craptastic parts, comical lack of any reliable tech support by LR, idiotic prices....AVOID!" Then ,I ran a LR dealer service department for a brief time,and, if anything, they had been too kind.....I saw failures on these rolling dumpster fires that I literally never saw before, and even after retiring at 35+ years in the business never saw from other brands. Appalling! Nothing I would want my name on; a shameful product.
I had the adaptive dynamics fault on my 2012 full size. Was a frayed wire to the computer. Soldered her up better than factory and no issues. Luckily I had my timing chains done at 100k miles under factory warranty. Kept up with my scheduled maintenance and have had no issues 🤞 at 180k miles
I love my Bosch. Got it from menards for $50 on sale. Easy 1 handed switch operation. Pretty quiet and low on vibrations. Don't use it a lot had it since 2017. Still going strong.
Hoovie , you ought to contact Eric at South Main auto repair in Avoca New York as his electrical troubleshooting skills a crazy good . He also has a you tube channel
The land rover defender 90-130 are very reliable vehicles if they are looked after properly. if you get one that isn't looked after properly then like any car it will have problems.
Hey HOOVIE, great vids APU. Send my the sport, I need a spare engine to work on as I have a slightly junior 5.0 V8 SC with 83k on that the dealer thought came from a junk Yard. Spent 10k on it the week after purchase as previous shark had not fixed stripped bolts on the gas pumps on the sump! They blew off and decorated the freeway round Charlotte NC. Keep up the great content
I had a 2012 Range Rover Sport with 180,000 miles and towed my Airstream on a 5,000 mile trip with it! Believe it or not I didn’t have one issue with it the whole trip. Even took it on the Bonneville Salt Flats and let it rip! My vote would be to sell it to someone wanting to make a bad ass over landing rig out of it! Put a lift, light bar, roof rack and brush guard on it and it’s ready to go!
Hoovie, first off, I appreciate the time you put in on your platforms to give the viewers such pleasant viewing lol. Second, I truly appreciate your honesty and not trying to resale the nightmare problematic vehicles, good soul! Third. I know you said you don't want to sell your land rover because of the problems, but I am VERY interested! The 3rd gen L322 is one of my dream vehicles. (The body anyways) please, reach out if your interested in letting it go and never dealing with any of its issues again, I'd absolutely love to take the battle over and finally have a L322. Hope to hear back, understandable if not. Appreciate it!
@Ben G yeah sure, but I want it for the body, I don't care for the drive train. I have other ideas so why not start with a good looking rig with issues?
Hey Tyler, your Sport is actually based on a quite reliable LR3. Not even a Range Rover underneath. Also, the Gap iidtool would have told you all the problems it might have had. Better than Land Rover itself. Get the tool.... ❤
Funny I have the exact same issues with the RR's cousin my BMW X5. Chased the battery drain for ages and eventually settled for disconnecting the battery every time it's parked lol. Also got sick of the air ride issues and swapped in coil springs but just chose to deal with the malfunction light.
I have a Land Rover discovery LR3 with 243k miles and still going strong. At 240k I put a different transmission from a salvage yard that costed me 800 dollars. I’m about to replace all the air suspension shocks they cost about 150 usd on Amazon, I have already installed one and it rides just like the original.
Everyone knows that every Range Rover is a nightmare, not telling us anything we don’t know. I’ve only seen one RU-vidr (Waldo) actually succeed with a used Rover 😂
Thanks for making this video. My wife regularly mentions wanting a Range Rover, and my answer is always that there's no way in hell I'd own one, and that our GX460 is just as capable to take us anywhere we want to go, but it also will get us home. I'll be sure to show her this!!
If the car started leaning to one side, that means someone likely reconnected the air lines incorrectly at the valve blocks. If the left and right lines are swapped, the ECU will raise the wrong side and then give an error stating "extended mode" because the side it thought it was raising wasn't going up and so it thinks you are hung up. If instead left or right is incorrectly swapped with the feed line from the compressor, then the air bags will drop to bump stops over time as it tries to balance out your left and right sides over time. This happens because it is releasing air back to the feed line which is at a low pressure. A lot of DIY mechanics screw up reconnecting the air lines when they work on these cars.
There is an issue with the BMW era models of constant battery drain with no fault. This is fixed by clipping the antenna for the key fob so that you can no longer unlock it from a distance of more than a few feet. The problem is caused by radio noise constantly waking the security system and the rest of the electrical systems in preparation for you opening the doors etc. the system will stay awake for at least three minutes or longer if it detects another signal. This can drain a battery over night if the battery is weak and within three days for a good battery.
