Wtf has been going on! This is the crazy part. All these Cry about men feeling videos. I thought they beat their chest Swallow a can of beer, pick up a Stripper and Their all good! What happened??
Too right. My wife asked about my military service, and I was stupid enough to tell her. I scared her. I haven't been through much of anything in my military career, no combat, nothing of note.
Please don't be so dishonest. Men are the ones that sabotage ans actively subvert and resist mental health and mental health movements for men. There's literally an entire counter movement that's literally preaching men to be even more stoic and even more masculine and it's POPULAR. Please don't be so dishonest.
There is a domestic violence shelter in my town that was called a Woman's Shelter for a long time. It was forced to change its name to Domestic Violence Shelter after they were informed they legally couldn't discriminate against men. The forced change came about because a man came to the shelter seeking help, they turned him away so he found a friend to crash on their sofa for a while. The woman he was trying to get away from found out his location, broke in one night and stabbed both him AND the friend he was staying with to death. That shelter was still called a Domestic Violence Shelter, and still claimed to take in men and women until last year when it was discovered they STILL refused to take in men because "the male victims were a danger to the female victims" and "if we allow men in, women won't come" so they found excuses to not accept men. The shelter was forced to close and sell off it's property, so now nobody gets to benefit - and an article written by a woman after the closure placed the entire blame on those male victims of abuse. Even when men TRY to get help for issues, of many kinds, we just get accused of taking focus and rights and benefits away form women and our issues are still not taken seriously.
@@SirTimidFlash Ahh, well, _now_ it makes sense. Anything to drag the spotlight off men's problems. For example, International Men's Day (November 19th for the curious) is the same as World Toilet Day. Seems inadvertently appropriate to me, considering they both take sh!t from a$$holes all day long and are only ever noticed when they stop working. 😁
@@tad4364 We both know damn well it’s not the norm. That’d be like me implying that girls are okay with rape just because a lot of them joke about it online.
@@EXP_Jenovaactually it is quite the norm you talk about trying to get help guarantee you 8 out of 10 men will clown your ass and 9 out of 10 women will definitely drag you over it
@@demnbrown Men have the highest suicide rate by a massive margin. The amount of men making fun of help resources are literally a minority. Statistically speaking.
There was a church here that ran a thing to help men support each other. Women took to showing up to the gatherings, filming the men going in, and saying things like, "If this was my man, I'd leave him." And "They ought to be ashamed of themselves." And "Men can have their support group when they solve male privilege."
She also had the audacity to say "do something about it" I've yet to see any feminist DO anything except scream and cry on the internet or in the street while waiting for a man to DO something about it FOR her.
Keep waiting then. Almost all fields are male dominated. If you want male mental health to be taken more seriously reach out to your male counterparts and make it happen. Y'all hold yourselves back and then blame women when you're at the top of the social food chain. Quit acting like a pussy
@@shelbyb9965 Women have so much support available in the west that its not even funny anymore. Men... Not so much. If you dont believe me, google what happened to the dude who founded a mens shelter like a decade ago or so, feminists are fucking vicious.
7 years in the British army, 2 tours of Afghanistan. When I sought out help from said groups, they didn't help me. Yet, every week, they seek donations. For 2 years, I was in a spiral between being homeless and abusing alcohol. I dug myself out of the hole, and along the way, I'm ashamed to admit I tried multiple attempts on my own life, which landed me in psychiatric units. The expression "I'm fine" is saying we are just that because reality is the majority do not give a toss about us. We take it on the chin and keep going. I know you are on your knees, brother, and you want to give up, but there is still fight in you. I genuinely believe this. So get the fuck up and keep fighting. Do not give in to those thoughts or feelings. You are stronger than you realize, and people do care about you.
I'm about a month late but congrats on digging yourself out of that hole brother! I'm not a Vet but I had my son @ 16 years old. Despite trying my best I fell into the rabbit hole alot of young men especially young fathers do where your primal instinct of protect and provide is unacknowledged and often vilified. I felt like the most unappreciated person on the planet but kept trucking through it. I couldn't mention it without it being "wrong" or taken in a completely different context. I abused opioids from about 17-20 years old, but several years after being clean I finally went off the rails and started drinking. I don't know how I didn't die, I drank so much. I was incarcerated multiple times, I was becoming violent and unhinged and in the middle of it I tried to get help and the female doctor wouldn't even help me unless I went into an in patient rehab because I was on Suboxone still. It continued and I dug myself deeper into the pit. I was basically so done I was going to drink myself to death, and at one point in a regional jail I remember blowing a 5.0 Despite not drinking in almost 24 hours. I finally got myself right and started to dig myself out, and took the time to really evaluate who I was. It's been a struggle since, COVID really set me back financially after just getting on my own two feet. But having climb out of that pit, I won't allow myself to fall down again. Getting my ADHD diagnosed helped tremendously and I learned so much about myself. I've got mad love for anyone who can beat the hold drink gets on you. I've done a lot of substances due to my impulsiveness but nothing ever fucked up my life like booze. Stay strong my man, the only people who criticize now clearly aren't worth proving anything to because the ones who pay attention see the changes. Keep rocking brother!
in many jobs that men have, if you give a hint that you are feeling the need for therapy for stress or whatever, you are watched; if you admit to needing therapy, you may be put on paid or unpaid leave pending an investigation where the ultimate goal is to terminate the employment. This is especially true for jobs such as commercial pilots.
She really isn't. Men hurt each other more than anything. Men on men violence is the most common form of violence out there. The point is that a lot of men talk about their mental health yet actively put the people who are seeking help down. Many reported cases of men shaming other men for therapy and whatnot. School instances of kids being bullied for expression of their emotions by other men. The issue men have thigh with women is because they are single and have bad "romantic" experiences with them for them opening up. A woman rejecting you, in my humble opinion, is not going to make mens mental health worse, but another man shaming you is. Men weaponize these things more
+ International Men's Day - November 19th - Unlike International Women's Day, International Men's Day is not officially recognised by the United Nations. + World Toilet Day - November 19th - The UN General Assembly declared World Toilet Day an official UN day in 2013. - The UN WTD 2019 campaign: Leaving no one behind... ...ensure "everyone has access to sustainable sanitation services by 2030, paying special attention to the needs of *women and girls* and those in vulnerable situations". There is a concerted effort to emasculate men in the western world, this is but one facet of it. Stay vigilant brothers.
My kid’s therapist encouraged me to find a group for parents of kids struggling with trauma issues (her mom died). I show up, and am the only man there. I played it cool, and was only hoping there might be another male there, but no. The ladies got together, talked it over, and told me to leave. They weren’t comfortable talking about their daughter’s in front of me. I explained that I too have a daughter who is struggling. They told me to find a men’s group. I said, “but this isn’t a woman’s group.” I left as I wasn’t welcome. BTW, there are no men’s groups in our community that don’t involve licensed therapists and security, as these men are also on parole. So yeah, when we look for help, our options are limited. Do it right now. Search for local groups supporting mental health, and tell me if there are any men’s groups. I live in an area of 10 million.
"they got together and talked it over" - so none of them actually had the decency to tell you her personal reasons for why you shouldn't be there as you were trying to do something to help your daughter. How compassionate. As a woman I'm ashamed of this heartless behaviour towards men. You seem like a good father to your daughter. I hope you guys get through this difficult situation as well as can reasonably be expected in the circumstances.
Why did you leave? You should have stood up for your daughter. If I was in your shoes, there's nothing those women could have done to remove me. Guilting me to leave would have made me stand stronger for my daughter. Would they have willingly left if told they couldn't participate in a support group for boys? Women always force their way into groups where women are not present. This is why there are no spaces for men left in the US.
She's right. If only there was a designated day to help spread awareness of men's mental health issues. A day where men would not be chastised for struggling to ask for help in a culture that expects them to respect the vulnerabilities everything and everyone but themselves. If only...
I mean that's a terrible way to start a movement if people were just gonna allow you to start a movement you wouldn't need a movement in the first place
get therapy stop trying to play victim women dont wanna hear it cause we dont know u dont care and our issues are way worse and yall the same guys that harass us and undermine our issues we havent been taken seriously throughout all of history and today shockingly so its a no brainer we dont wanna hear the men complain about the problems that men created yall can talk to people yk about it instead of crying on the internet everyday its really not that serious for yall so just get ur shit together and educate urself about real world issues cause these trivial shit yall be complaining about is like a broken record saying the same lame shit thats just problems yall create then blame women for we dont wanna hear it instead yall should be spreading awareness like the sound of freedom but yall only wanna feel sorry for urselves instead of looking at whats outside stop sulking about ur sad life and worry about the real shit cause the real shit is gonna hit u like a brick and ur gonna feel stupid doing what u been doing spending all ur time sulking
I ended up having to use my male nature to look for ways to help me cope. I went and found a counsellor, after years of coping, some successful, some unsuccessful. What i found helpful was writing and research on certain topics that were ailments. Easy to fix with knowledge at hand, but monumental to overcome without the understanding. Now out of my 20s, with that being a rough decade, full of mental health issues. I can finally say i am mentally in a much better place, but i only just got here. This past winter was the first winter ive gotten through without the entire world feeling like it is crumbling around me. I still had help and support, and still things werent always going right or i was putting myself in bad situations. I just have a stronger mindset and take a step back and focus on my situation and how to improve it, instead of wallowing in my emotions. I didnt know how to do that previously, i only just figured that part out. Granted, i also have nothing to do with women, in the workplace, at home, and mostly stay away from those interactions online. I only had to go on a journey, 8 years, to be mentally healthier. I just had to cut out every person in my life and be the only person in my life. I can tell you that is a very radical decision, and that i dont usually recommend, but i gave myself to everyone and no one returned anything back. I am just an expendable to everyone else. I am not expendable to myself, although i used to think that. Funny how i had to adapt the mindset that at the end of the day, all i have is myself.
@osmangarrett560 i cant speak on this subject specifically. But i do remember 3 separate instances of feminists gettings mens shelters shut down for "discrimination". So it wouldnt be the first time something like that happened.
women: "I feel terrible! I have so much depression! It's so hard to be a woman! " Men: "Let us help these women feel better." Men: "I feel depression and like nobody is listening to me." Women: "Shut up and admit you are the problem!"
@@Divinelydestiny thanks for the sympathy. I have indeed run into several kind, empathetic women, like the one I've been married to for the last seven years! Unfortunately, before that, I experienced sexual abuse by girls as a teenager, and suffer actual ptsd and depression because of it, (and not the fun kind of depression). I cannot get therapy on the NHS in Britain because my abuse was not by a family member. the one website for male abuse survivors, which I've been a member of for fifteen years, recently banned me for so called: "misogyny!" Even though I was just generally venting about the triggering levels of misandry. I don't say any of this as a plea for sympathy; though it's appreciated, or because it's cool, just to point out that yes, there bloody well is! a bias here, and it dam well isn't because of any "patriarchy!" I am well aware it's not "all women", though unfortunately, since women are in control of the cultural narrative, and men literally have no voice for expressing male concerns, it's actually up to those sane women to point this out. Thanks again.
@@Divinelydestiny we don't need compassion or empathy, the opportunity to be useful, competent and strong might help though. Not being disregarded and taken for granted really helps, or told that it is toxic to be a man.
There are a lot of people who say they want "equality" But the moment that we try to address issues that men have, like mental health, it's pushed down to the ground while every other group is prioritized. It sucks. I tried to address men who go through SA once, because I went through that, and the person I was talking to literally said that "men being abused don't matter as much as women"
Issue here is she's assuming that one side offering their idea of a solution without listening to the issues presented by the other is okay, as though she has the empirical and proven best method to proceed. In any other context that would be considered robbing someone of their voice.
@@nintendoswitchbrit4201 I might be thinking about the man who tried opening a battered men's shelter. They ruined him financially, socially, and finally they hounded him until he took his own life.
Im guessing its the same event that feminist woman was screaming in a mans face that had went there to listen after one of his close friend killed himself. I have never forgotten the pain in that guys face as some nasty girl was giving him hell when he was already dealing with immense grief all because the feminist didnt like the opinion of one of the speakers.
@@Etrius_Fysik Found it on youtube by looking up "mens mental health seminar university of toronto feminist protest" and found a bunch of videos. I don't think I can put links in comments (youtube doesn't always allow it) but the name of the video I watched was called "feminist protests at an event about mens mental health,they didn't like the speaker." Hope this helps!
My favorite part of this real is that she wants to define what immense mental health day should look like and how we're supposed to behave and what our mental health is supposed to be.
She literally explained why no men get behind the movement . We would be perceived as weak and made fun of . We are raised to be strong and not be emotional at all.
Feminist groups have also done extensive work to shutdown any event/social gathering/psa/etc. centered around men's mental health and awareness. We DO try to speak up, express our needs, and seek help... but we're lucky if we see any progress because of the uphill battle we as a group are forced to fight. Not to mention that any progress made constantly circles back to "but what about women?" instead of appreciating that multiple groups can have separate problems.
Men used to have places where they could meet and talk and be in the company of men. But the feminist movement has shut down all the mens clubs, because it was unfair that they were excluded. Hell even the Boy Scouts isn't about boys anymore
The reason why. If we talk about men's mental health in the suicide rate it would have to come down to men being assaulted and screwed with. I mean Young Mills growing up confused told that they're bad and masculinity is toxic and all that. That's the reason why they attack men's mental health. Because it would have to come down to that men are being targeted.
I love the way she talks about a men's movement without the "toxic masculinity" without the "Being a man" part. Roast culture? Guys don't roast serious effort. We laughed at femini$ts telling us what's wrong with us. Thier pathetic put downs & condescension are the only roasting I've seen. Hardly surprising really, the Fem!nist movement has a dedication in thier Charter, "We will use our sisters to destroy family & men through P0rn, Pr0stitution, Divor¢e & Promis¢unity" 4 very clear attack vectors. Which explains OF, honourable"Sex workers", hookup culture & sexual freedom. Worse a Divor¢e €ourt system that destroys both men & the family. The Family €ourt system that encourages single motherhood & simultaneously Rogers men. Feminism courses in Colleges designed to make women unmarriable and impossible to live with. Why destroy the Traditional Family? Both the Feminin!sts & Thier friends the Mar×ists, hate the family as an impediment to social changes&as a tool for female oppression. Our current Social issues aren't an accident. It has been a long carefully driven plan since the 70's. The spin offs from the Fem!nist movement such as the Green movement, the Gay movement, the Trans movement, Veganism, Climate change, BLM. All are part of the plan. Men got played. ☹️🇦🇺
@@user-ml6po2wi8b There's video of it on RU-vid. Its horrible, just masses of screaming "feminist" protesters yelling things at the men trying to attend and blocking them from entry. Police and university staff didn't help the attendees either.
It’s because I don’t want to open up, it makes me feel weak, it makes me feel desperate, I can make it through this, and if not then I won’t be bother to people anymore.
I called my mom this one time just to talk, and it wasn't even about anything crazy. Just things were rough and I just wanted to talk to someone that I thought cared about me. Her response was "um...okay. Not sure why you called 'me.' So... I'm going to let you go. Good luck with that." Direct quote. When a guy can't even talk to his own mom, you know no one gives a crap about you
I'm sorry that happened. I wish she had been better, and I hope she apologizes to you. I hope you have a nice day or soon to have a nice day or night. Whichever one. You aren't alone 💛 We hear you
Sounds a lot like my mom. I'm basically a therapist to my gf, however if something bothers me she is the only person who doesn't weaponize what I say. I'll admit I'm used to keeping everything in and it's hard for me to open up bc every other woman I've dated has weaponized my feelings b4
At least your mother listened to you... like im sorry that happened bro but also i feel how you do. My mom never acknowledged that i was suffering with su*sidal thoughts (gruesome ones i might add...) and major depression because school was a living hell.. i got bullied every day because i was different and overweight... ive tried offing myself 5 times now and i am no better today than i was back then.. the only thing thats changed is that i hide it better. The only person i can truly be myself around is my dad and he may only have a few years left to live if he isnt careful.. it hurts hiding these feelings from him but he has enough on his own plate so i dont talk to him about it.. there are many things i could go into about what happened back in school but i dont want to as its too painful to bring up.. But.. if you ever need someone to listen to your struggles.. im here my guy. Just remember that..
first of all a good roast session between the bois is how you know your still good, if you dont feel comfortable talking mad shit to your homie shit aint it
This is sad just because we are in general physicaly stronger doesn't mean men have no problems sometimes i think we are still living in middle ages but a modern version of it 🤔
@@Archiver_Studio very correct what you are saying and the worst part of it is that women find this attractive (there are many exeptions but still many)
@@didierbaudot They don't find it attractive, well not all of them, they find it hilarious and weaponise it Many types of toxic women have this trait It is a miracle that this is only a certain section of women that act this way
@@BeamBooms yes that is correct. I commented on what I heard in the video. Honestly as a guy I didn't even know they had a day let alone a month. Just figured in today's hate mongering of males that they decided to give us one day.
Completely, the solution to men's mental health is to turn them into women and see all their problems like a third wave feminist. Neuter the men and their problems will go away. Doesn't work that way. Not that she's unique, it's hard to understand something so outside your experience. But when you are so sure that just accepting "men" can never be a man and are the source of all evil when they are less female in their mental patterns.
@saltrush3448 they aren't. Men have been listening to women saying we need to be more open about our feelings, and it gets used against us every time. Men aren't the ones stopping men from expressing themselves.
I love how women complain how bad they have it. Untill they get a taste of what it's like to be a man they will realize how much better they have it as a woman.
@@ryanmigliori660reminds me of that lesbian some years back that pretended to be a man, to see if men had it easier like is what is pushed, and ended up killing herself because of how she was treated while she pretended to be a man.
@@Jashuatadglock95 there are toxic ways of expressing masculinity (see scumbags like Andrew Tate) but yeah, masculinity is not inherently toxic. The same can also be said of femininity too though.
It’s not the fact that we can’t have the ladies stay home with the babies cuz the moneys just not there even at like $70K+, it’s not because of life stress, it’s not because of any other number of factors aside from toxic masculinity(also hate that my iPhone recommended the next word after toxic to be masculinity)
Fellow men. Don’t be so open with your emotions with these women who don’t give a damn. Instead find brothers that you trust and can confide in. If you can’t find someone who will listen then be that man other men can be honest with. Be a real homie
The oddest thing about that woman’s video, and I’ve seen others like it, is that they laugh about men’s mental health day then criticize men for not building a mental health movement. But having a men’s mental health day is literally part of building that. Then again, then she goes on to list her beefs with men. I think what some of these women have is a problem with Men’s Mental Health day is that it does not center on women.
"I think what some of these women have is a problem with Men’s Mental Health day is that it does not center on women." That's exactly right. It's like the Million Man March in the 90s, in which men came together to talk about how to be better men. Women were upset that they weren't in charge of deciding how men should be better men. The woman in this video even demonstrated that "men's health" should be in accordance of what she thought masculinity ought to be.
@@rdkirk3834 I seen a youtube person say most men are NPCs and say men that then talk back to that online are not "real men" is clear as day they want slaves
Classic example of a woman thinking that men are suffering in the same way she does, and then assuming that the suffering of men is solved in the safe way it is for women.
@@AlexCuzacatcalling is mainly old gross men catcalling literal teenagers. So. No... women aren't going to do that. And if they do, it will be gross old women you have no interest in.
The entire point of it is that men sit, their voice a voiceless voice, so we don't care to speak up, we sit and keep our mouth shut like we have been told to do or how we feel is right to do. It is important for someone to care about men because they don't see a point in caring about themself
Every time men try to talk about their issues women attack them mercilessly Edit: half the replies to this are women attacking me. So thanks for proving my point ladies
Yep. Pretty sure it's from guys opening up to a woman in a vulnerable state and her either destroying his trust there immediately or bringing it up later to score points in an argument.
@@saureco ya made that mistake a day ago. I was being dumb and opened up about my personal feelings and how empty I feel most the time and she turned around and basically said that that when my mental health turns for the worse she won’t be there for me unless I become suicidal. Damn that shit hurt man. I knew I fucked up the moment I opened my mouth
I love how people say go do this, stand up etc but they are the same people that silence us. It's not toxic to try and be strong we just want someone to listen.
I don't think you understand what toxic masculinity means, it is a group of parts of masculinity that are toxic. Like claiming that "men don't need a mental health day, just man up!" That's the toxic part
Don’t forget the few times we actually do try and focus on mental health we get ridiculed and hated by individuals because “It’s not that big of a deal. Just toughen up”
Best response was: "There are people, who have it worse." Great. Now i feel better, by knowing others suffer.... Man, i tell you. Can't wait to see how it all ends
Apparently from another comment in Canada a man who's friend committed suicide and went to a men's mental health group was yelled at by feminist "you are scum". Another dude was told to leave a group for parents whose child lost a parent because he was a man and they didn't feel comfortable sharing about their daughters with him and to "find a group for men" (this group wasn't labeled a womens only group btw) only problem that there isn't one except the ones that have therapists and guards because they're for felons on parole
I posted about how broken my oldest son was after we came back from Ukraine. And how seeing him struggle with it was what fucked me up about it. I was a Ranger for 16 years before I remarried a Canadian girl and moved to serve 6 years with 3RCR. He wanted to go prove what a man he was to himself. So I got my old battle buddies who wanted to go together to keep him alive and we went off. Police kicked in my door, cuffed me, stuffed me in the back of a cruiser. Because a grown woman I went to school with was afraid I was a danger to the community. Didn't charge me with nothing just detained me for 72 hours. Police Depts. legal team has spent the past 6 month trying to bury our lawsuit under meaningless paper work which if we don't fill out the court will just toss the whole case: Where were you on feb 30th 2007." Giving you mom a ride on the baloney pony, what about your question is relevant to the case.
Shout out to @phantomking2822!!! I whole heartedly agree! We aren’t waiting for some fucking movement to pop up, we are waiting for someone to actually give a shit after we open up! I just recently opened up to a woman my age that my father was a toxic POS who hurt me physically and mentally… been waiting on a response for a day now!
Was going through and am still going through some annoying shit with my old boss where he didn’t pay me for like a months worth of work or something like that while telling me for a month and a half he’ll pay me and need me back in work so I naive as I am believed it didn’t look for a new job just waited really put me in a rut close to the start of it a girl I was talking to and felt comfortable talking to and venting to decided to just tell me something to the extent of “I’m tired of your problems you’re almost the perfect guy but you bitch too much just suck it up other people have it worse” it’s great being a man :D
Men's mental health suffers for the exact reasons that people label masculinity as toxic, don't understand roasting is a bonding mechanism and that we just want to be allowed to be men.
@@wt7553many feminists label what they don’t like about men as toxic despite many of those things not being toxic. It became a blanket term like many of the people who yes racism, woke, and sexism now.
@dhans9662 and then the movement gets told its wrong because the issues the men say they're having aren't the ones that we should be focusing on because we should be focusing on our issues that affect women, not the issues that affect us
I think almost every dude in this comment section has been depressed before or right now. As a dude, we can’t just open up easily. To all my fellow guys going through problems, I salute you and wish you a good life. You are wanted and needed.
I had an ex that said "men's self deletion rate is because they refuse to talk about their problems" I dared her to make a male social media account and try and post something about it. Watch how many women tear you down for absolutely no reason
The only real support I've gotten in my life is from my bros. Not a SINGLE woman friend wants to be supportive when anyone in my groups needed it. I'll tell you what, nothing felt better than my bro turning to me at a restaurant and saying (paraphrased) "we need to talk about you. You've been stressed and its really starting to show, please talk to us about it" I fucking cried, and still tear up, because damn I've never even had a girlfriend care that much... fuck man
Been through similar, it wasn't, and still isn't easy. I was drinking heavily to numb myself to it. Been sober for almost 8 months now, and a lot of it was because I reconnected with a bunch of the guys I used to hang out with. They get me. When I'm stressed, I can vent freely, on my own terms. Otherwise we just do dumb guy shit and have a good time when we hang.
@timtheconjurer I'm happy you've found an outlet every needs one no matter what other douchebags might say, you matter and the world is a better place with you in it
No, she's right though. Until men stop clowning on other men for taking care of their mental health and being in therapy, it's not going to go anywhere
@bastiat4855 umm no I wouldn’t. It’s called sharing all of you are together. He should give all of him and she should give all of her to their significant other
@@peach1503a man can never open up fully to a woman. A majority of women will weaponize feelings and issues. Some go to their friends to have a laugh. Others just ridicule the man and use it against him when it can benefit her. This is how modern women operate. This is what we men always must be aware of.
@@MudaMudaYaMutha fact. Few men talk about being able to share everything with a woman without it having negative repercussions. Most men having tried, can tell stories about negative repercussions.
Here is the thing. Guys enjoy the fact that we can deal with stuff. It isn’t healthy but we do it. For example if I was still able to function all day with only one meal, it means that I am tough. Even though I have access to three meals, I still like to know I can survive on one meal. I know I can survive without crying and so I don’t cry, even though it isn’t healthy.
It certainly can be, mainly if used in a more strictly conservative way where men have to be aggressive, uncaring, unemotional, you can't cry, you gotta be tough, compassion/empathy isn't allowed, restricted in how you can express yourself because any other way is considered unmanly, etc...
Stoicism is where it's at. Certainly going out and puffing up your chest to attract whores and put down other men is toxic. But those 'alphas' usually suffer for their pointless toil. Naw the solution is independence from women and alpha men. Be a sigma. Detach and enjoy...
I'm just going to agree that masculinity isn't toxic. The term toxic masculinity is used to undermine actual male masculinity. Unless men are acting in more feminine ways, they are considered toxic now.
Honestly, the first girl is right. We as men are our own worst enemy in this fight. I have consistently seen those of us who want to break the cycle of toxicity being insulted and mocked for daring to not conform to a strict ideal of "manliness". We need to be better if we want to create a better world.
I think the disconnect here is that we would generally rather not talk about it because toxic masculinity is the lesser issue when we open up about things.
I was once asked by my lovely lady why I didn't talk about my problems. I explained talking about my issues has never helped and in many cases just gave ammunition to people who didn't want the best for me. She figured out pretty quickly and before even I knew how to help myself that when I am having a bad time, all she needs to do is acknowledge I'm trying and take some of the daily burden from my shoulders. Truly blessed to have someone like this in my life and I don't know how people survive without that kind of support. If you're struggling out here feeling alone, find someone in your life who acknowledges your battle and keep on fighting warriors. You've got this.
I was a from a rocky upbringing and just got to work to build my life. First few GF's I had were so into the Oprah approach of talk, talk, talk rather than recognize I needed a certain amount of a solid platform to stand on, when most of them had solid upbringings and enjoyed a bit of chaos as freedom when they always had parents to back fall on.
We look inward or we find something physical to vent. Im naturally stoic but i am also sensitive and a musician and this is the way for me. Writing and music, reading also helps lads. I got your back, i am uncommon because i know everything else is
Gotta love how her choice of "men's mental health movements" are the movements that tell men how horrible they are and teach them to hate themselves. So healthy.
Masculinity is not toxic. Men are not toxic. We all, especially the nice guys, get painted with the same brush for the misdeeds of a tiny amount of predators & punished collectively in the most draconian ways possible. Speaking for many men to whomever may agree with that clip "I apologize for being born.".
Earl Silvermann, look up this guy. He was a domestic abuse survivor in Canada and founded Men's Alternative Safe House. The first privately owned shelter of its kind in Canada. What happened to him? Well, after years of ridicule and going bankrupt (thus being forced to sell the shelter he dedicated his life to), he ended his life in 2013. In his will, he wanted any money from his estate to an Educational Scholarship for male victims of abuse perpetrated by female abusers. This was done through Mount Royal University Foundation.
@Stefano.Rocca00 uh, the idea that we are waiting for a movement is pretty wrong and stupid. Your just hating cause that's all your capable of. What's she doing to make anything better? Bringing down others. It's not a 0 sum game. Your happiness doesn't require me to be in misery. And if it does, well don't cry when that gets flipped back on you. Which I personally hate. Vengeance isn't justice, but then suffering seems to be the only way we build empathy unfortunately.
@@Celestial_Reach no she literally just said that for mental health to be effective us men just need to stop with being toxic to one another and don't push eachother down. You are putting words in my mouth I've never said, or jumping to conclusions that have nothing to do with what was said. If you listen to the original video, it just sums up to the fact that us men need to create for ourselves a better environment and to encourage us selves to go to therapy and be aware of mental health problems and simply not waiting idly by while judging other people for their mental conditions or feelings
Her: Guys should create a men's mental health awareness movement. Also her: Guys shouldn't create a men's mental health awareness day as part of that movement.
There was a clip somewhere on youtube I saw a few years back asking college girls should there be a group for empowering men and their answer was no because there already everything for men that been going on for centuries while there a bunch of empowering women group in colleges.
It's not easy to guys to open up about such things coz there's a high chance we'll be seen as weak, or simply just ignored or joked at. Everyone keeps talking about mental health but when a guy expresses concerns about themselves no one really cares. I personally tried asking for helo once but nothing worked out and everyone assumed that I was ok now and simply forgot about it. I felt guilty about having mental issues, as if I was bothering them by speaking to them about this. Point taken, now I never talk about my mental health with anyone, which made things worse as now I feel like I can't trust anyone.
I broke down like a little B*** during my divorce begging her not to leave. I would pour my hear out to her and try my best but after seeing it meant nothing to her it changed me. Her face was a constant blank expression of "really? Like I give a f**". I refuse to make myself vulnerable like that to anyone else ever again
Just get in shape, stack cash and enjoy hobbies. It's all that is left now. Don't take women seriously. Never, ever get trapped caring about their feelings. If you absolutely need pump squat, then prolly best to just pay for it. Otherwise you will get trapped again. Still Rosy Palms can quickly fix any problems, so that is basically the solution.
How long has it been since your divorce Scotty? I hope in time, you'll rethink those kinds of self imprisoning vows. Healing is rough, and I do hear you. I had a similar experience when my now ex was cheating. I'm not big crier, even for a woman. So was trying to cry quietly downstairs when he went to bed, after a reveal blowout. The damn broke and I ended up howling like wounded animal, like I never have before or since. Woke him up and he never said a word, no love you's or comfort, but he did hold me until I stopped eventually. He was right back to chasing her the next day. I know that closed off look. Got lied to tons, so kicked him out. What I vowed was that He and he alone would never see that from me again. It's only the one that hurt you that bad that doesn't deserve another chance. I'm still terrified, so I understand how you feel. I hope someday that you can slowly try and trust someone again, and find a way to do it differently. How do we know in the beginning? I don't know yet either. I do see other tender hearted men that will understand what I've been through too, and might actually have the integrity and resolve to go the distance. Absolute best wishes Scotty. Those who have truly hurt, really understand others who do too, and it's not just other men.
The feminazi's are waiting for that. It will validate everything they think about men. I can say this as I'm a woman, born with XX chromosomes and am not a feminist. They attack men as well as women who don't believe as they do.
Fr if we treated them the same we would be criticized to death. They complain about how we don't treat them fairly. They don't treat us fairly ladies first, don't hit women, women are smarter no that's all wrong how about men first, don't hit men, name one smart woman
We'd be absolutely screwed over by society for even daring to treat them the way they treat us the are seen as higher then us because all society sees is oh look a work horse let's get more out of them.
As a therapist, men's issues are simple. We have no idea what our roll in society and the family are. We have no feeling of value. We need to feel competent in our community.
As a man, if I had a mental health day... it would be a day where I could be alone and not hear people like this lady telling me how to live, what to think, and how I should feel.
I think some of the best advice my dad gave me as a kid was "Outside of your family, and sometimes not even then, nobody gives a fuck about your feelings." Men have to stop sugarcoating the world for women. We are failing them by doing so.
My dad gave me the exact same advice and even threw in that sometimes even him and mom don't really give a shit and r just being nice. I'm a woman and I agree with u whole heartedly.
@@meredithgrubb4497 It is said, "In the last days, the love of many will grow cold". When even family can say they don't really care, but are just being polite? That's harsh ma'am.
@@saintejeannedarc9460 It's the unfortunate truth. Even the most casual of observers can see that the world is not fair. Not everybody is created equal. Some people get to be unconditionally loved, and some don't. That's just the reality of the world that we live in. Everyone knows that it's fucked up, and that's why we try to be nice and polite to spare people from the worst of it. But the reality is never the less there's a limit to how much you can expect other people to care about you. For some people that limit is higher, and for some it's lower.
@@Fraggr92 Don't I know it. I grew up w/ that too. Oldest daughter in our family of 3. Very obviously treated last, behind my sister and brother. So it wasn't even a sexist thing, in my very male favouring family. Trust me, they admit it too. Gave me a complex like crazy. Life is harsh.
Depends on your definition of a mental health day. That's what I've always called a day I take off work just because. No health issues other than I need a day to not be at work. lol
What we're waiting for is to not be mocked by EVERYONE when we come out and ask for help. We aren't just mocked by men, we're mocked by women as well. Also I don't think I've actually ever seen a man mock another man for needing actual mental health help
Yeah, an ACTUAL good man with good values….like..we may joke around with each other and take the piss out of each other and roast each other and stuff, but we know when to take shit seriously, cause we care about our friends and those around us
Nor have I in fact, I've experienced the exact opposite. I went through a particularly bad break up years ago which came at a time when I was at my lowest in life (nothing was going right personally or professionally) and I suddenly had a nervous breakdown in front of one of my friends who was your stereotypical alpha who seemingly never let anything bother him and was considered the tough guy of the group. We weren't the closest of friends when it came to our circle but, when my breakdown happened, I was at the point of ending it all and the first thing he did was hug me and get emotional telling me I was going to be okay and to not give up. After that he regularly checked in on me and made sure to always invite me out to parties that he was going to away from our friend group. We ended up being closer than we were with anyone else in the group to the point that I'm now his sons Godfather. Dude fucking saved me.
I just love how she is trying to say we men should be taking a stance against toxic masculinity. That is NOT a men's mental health issue. Our issues are more geared around women thinking we are now meant to be less than them, PTSD (especially for us Veterans) being shut down by almost every woman we are interested in and want to date (especially for a relationship) and being degraded because they want us to lead but don't want to be told what to do.
We've had guys & women both try to express our struggles but more often than not they get mocked, viciously put down or treated like the enemy by the same people who pretend like they care about mental health
Anytime Men start a movement of any kind. There will always be a bunch of women trying to destroy it. Also: There is no such thing as toxic masculinity.
There definitely is such a thing as toxic presentation of traditionally masculine traits that "toxic masculinity" would normally be an acceptable shorthand for. Ironically, this behavior is often caused or exacerbated by the lack of access to, or willingness to seek because of the stigma associated with it, mental health care. Lack of good father figure role models for many boys growing up doesn't help the matter either. Lack of any father figure role models is bad enough, but worse are the "father" figures which do present many of these traits in a toxic manner(well, except as negative examples if the women in the boy's life are well above average in ability to communicate these kinds of things to the boys in question, which does happen sometimes). Though obviously there will always be jerks despite how they were raised and how much mental health they have access to. Unfortunately, the term "toxic masculinity" has been almost completely shifted to mean "any traditionally masculine trait I want to complain about today regardless of how it presents" by certain feminist groups and their allies in the media and tech world. This makes using it in a more logical way, such as I described above, less than ideal.
@@Warmaster_7 lol Her BS rant was a waste of time and energy because any example she may try to rationalize into some kind of masculinity being toxic could just be described as bad behavior period. There is no such thing as toxic masculinity, just bad behavior. I'm about done with these nonsense new modern narratives women try to throw around these days. It's ridiculous.
This lady has a point, there is a vocal group of men who would sh!t on any form of self help or group help. I think these would be the same type who would sh!t on AA meetings and it’s members for not able to handle their alcohol if this was the time when AA was created
We’re not waiting for someone to say something. We’re waiting for someone to give a shit. We’re men. No one cares. There’s no one out there who’s willing to sit down and just listen to your problems. They either say no, or get bored within the first minute of talking. We don’t do anything, not because we’re waiting for someone else to do it, but because we know that no matter how hard we try, no one’s gonna care, so what’s the point? That’s why the phrase “I’m alright,” or “I’m okay,” exists because we know we’ll just be a waste of time. It’s just easier to be quiet sometimes.
