Trying to find ways to explain this to my bank account 😂 Worked at a high end bike shop for a while where selling a €6k bike was something normal that happened to each colleague 3 times a day.... I remember being not-impressed by ultegra builds even though I wasn't able to afford them😅
My 9-year-old rim brake Etap groupset is still 500g lighter, so referring to weight savings as a selling point is useless. Where I think Sram is winning is that the groupsets are backward compatible. I can upgrade to Disc, and all I need to buy is the new shifters/callipers, which will still work with my existing 11-speed setup. Having said that, the cost of Levers, callipers and rotors is more than what I paid for the etap upgrade kit which included levers and both derailleurs.
The price told is not even near correct. A full groupset is about 4600 Euro (5000 Euro incl pm), the upgrade groupset is about 3500 Euro (incl Karoo). Compare that to what the first AXS 12 speed upgrade groupset cost (last two years), it's double (yeah, i know you get the Karoo to now).
What have the music playing whilst Simon is talking, isn't what he's saying important...or just a pile of 💩 ? can't the music be turned, drives me fkg crazy! theirs not one bit of Simon talking WITHOUT MUSIC
I hate the BS GCN does with pricing. Cut the crap already. RoadCC has done much better job at telling the price and what EXTRA things you need to get. Slackin GCN. SLACKIN!
Correction: “The lightest DISC electronic groupset ever” Shimano Di2 DA Rim is still king 👑 folkes, direct mount calipers will also never squeal like a 🐷 😂 This SRAM groupset looks pretty though, nice changes.
that's the comments I've been seeing.....they say the internals are pretty similar? lighter and more cuts but similar shape...people love the ergo and look of the hoods ...they do look way less chunky lol compared to my force
I've been waiting for this groupset to drop to buy my dream build all-road bike and it appears worth the wait. I own bikes with both the 1st and 2nd generation Red Axs and personally never felt the front end shifting was a problem, but the levers do appear to be a nice improvement and I like that they defaulted to what was a harder to find medium cage in the back.
The three thousand dollars/pounds/euros price doesn't include the crankset. The Quarq PM crank is anothe $1200, or $700 for the acoustic version. So were looking at $3700 or $4200 for a groupset. And we wonder why bikes cost $10,000
56 : 10.... it's just insane to think of someone pushing that gear. Also, 136 grams of weight savings is equivalent to about 5 ounces of water -- or a couple of swigs from a water bottle. Just to keep it in perspective...
They def only use 56/10 downhill. Because at 100rpm you would be doing 44 mph which none of them do on the flat apart from sprinting in the on occasion.
@@gcn 1000%. I ain't no tour de francer. Campagnisto 4evar. Well, road bikes at least; got a plastic rear derailleur on my Brompton which defines the word un gorgeous.
I got rid of my Giant Propel with the previous sram Red. Wasn't happy with the levers and the noticable delay in shifting compared to shimano. The Quark powermeter though was top.
I like all these world tour wins statistics but it's not really fair when you consider it's mostly thanks to jumbo-visma. For instance in the final giro time trail, when SRAM drops a chain and Primoz manages to take the win with an adrenaline and rage fueled sprint to the top of the mountain.
Half of them were Visma, but bear in mind that SRAM haters a few years ago said it was impossible to win on Red, regardless of the team. Sounds pretty stupid now doesn’t it?
@@JonCannings it's forcing me to buy things I don't want. How is that good for the customer? It's the same issue of not allowing people to spec handlebars or crank length... While forcing the bike to come with $400 integrated bars. Lame. Let us choose the things we want to buy.
@@JonCannings SRAM has a track record of anticompetitive practices and forcing us to buy things we don't want. For example, SRAM bought power tap just to kill all the products, then they bundle power meters with the groupset and bike. Now you buy a bike and get what they gave you. That's ok sometimes, but I want to spec my own things and that is getting harder and more expensive. The included computer is a way for them to brute force market share.
@@JonathanHair I could say the same for most things in life regarding adding extras I don't necessarily want, but they are a feature and part of the package. I guess I just live with it 👍
I’ll give you the best advice : don’t spend too much money on upgrades, there’s only marginal difference. Spend money on the trips, journeys, vacations and the experience that makes you love your life. I spent a lot of money on these so called upgrades and they’re just not worth even a bit ! Don’t buy low end or the flagship model. Just get a midrange version and you’ll be happy ! All these fancy SRAM RED eShift and all are not required. In fact, the satisfaction the old school steel frame road bike offers, none of these carbon bikes will offer
@@czts4778 save that money ! These upgrades won’t matter at all ! This is my Personal experience. My shimano deore got f’ked up and couldn’t handle the stress.
Chain plate 383 @11:25 does show some scratches. Not sure if those are cracks. It would be unfortunate if the E1 chains crack as easily as other SRAM chains.
9:04 As a matter of fact, this data is available to anyone with a Shimano Di2 groupset which is synced to your bike compute! I have Ultegra Di2 from 2019 with a wireless unit synced to my Garmin Edge and I can view the same shifting telemetry
The battery notifications are the same as well. On my Garmin I get notifications on all my sensors if one needs battery replacement or recharging (which includes Di2). It also helps Di2's much larger battery means it's a long time before I need to charge it anyways. Didn't know Sram didn't have that feature yet for a while, along with the extra shifter buttons as well.
Two questions here, one for the new groupset, does it now use mineral oil instead of the bloody dot liquid for the hydraulic breaks or is that still the same? Im running the now old version, and that's the main issue for me, besides the push notifications on low battery isn't always working either. The second questions is, why does it look like Si is running with mtb tire pressures?
@@gcn thanks for the replay! to bad about the fluid but thanks for letting me know Si is a bit whack ;) I use silcas calculator, so I should be somewhat up to date myself :P
SRAM is really cranking out beautiful stuff these days. Have ridden with a force etap once it was set up the shifting was amazing can't wait to run the new red.
Listen to that marketing. All the buzz words and phrases. Still has a chain and sprockets and a chain and derailleurs. Nothing very radical apart from the marketing team fluff. You still need legs and saddle time to ride and more to ride faster. So ...... meh
Still a nope for me. The brakes seem still to use DOT fluid and the spares are still outrageously expensive. I especially hate the idea of the throwaway powermeter.
these lovely expensive, well designed and built groupsets really don’t excite me like the cheap, faulty and badly designed and put together new rubbish out of china does. sign of the times eh.
Why TF can't Sram make any good-looking components? The new brake levers look cheap and sloppy, the crank looks like a cheap angle grinder from a low-budget hardware store and they also kept their silly 13-teeth difference chainrings where the big gear is smaller and the small gear bigger than those of the other component makers who are able to build a decent front derailleur.
Sram needs to find something else rather than pushing on how many grand tours won because of the groupset for marketing purpose. I feel like it does not make any sense. Groupset does make you ride bikes faster, doesn't it?
Huge missed opportunity to highlight the magic pulley wheels that SRAM brought over from the MTB side for the rear derailleur. It's a pretty insane party trick to watch the feature engage when the pulley wheel gets jammed and the outer ring of the pulley wheel keeps spinning. A very cool feature for sure and the kind of innovation you don't see right now, or really ever, from Shimano.
Main reason it won all grand tours was because Pogacar was injured last year. Now Shimano has all the big wins. Can’t wait to see side by side shift speed comparison with Dura Ace.
