In this video, I discuss why I think Night Cap is terribly designed and my ideas for how to fix her. Twitter: / hey1mjay Discord Server: / discord Camera Tools by Natalris Featuring BlackFreeza as an Actor
her primary is genuinely such a pain to use. it is a sisyphean task just watching the enemy very slowly lose 18 HP every it. it doesnt even crit, and your idea of doing more damage could utilize it having crit hits when damaging from behind. critical blow finally having its use
The only way to play Nightcap is either aggressive with non stop jumping with the dodge upgrade even though it lost it's former glory. Or stay far away and only use her abilities to run away when Zombies get near. Its really hard when most if not all of the zombies have the power to one shot you coupled with the fact your one gimmick which is stealth literally makes you a book to be read. As a Zombie main in Giddypark, She's nothing but a 1+ to the vanquish streak usually.
Yea that is true but in turf or in other scenarios gamemodes she can actually be quite threating. The thing about players that’s understand is to be careful nightcap but when there’s and objective and other plants focus on the objective it forces the Zombies attention to them which makes nightcap ideal. You have no idea how many times I manage to take off the engineer camping the objective from afar as most of the time they stay in one place to get turret buffs but the turret struggled to see invisible things. Even though it’s pointed out nightcap doesn’t have the best primary that doesn’t mean she can’t get the job done as a majority of the zombie units that can give buffs either have some of the lowest hp or moderate examples being scientist, enginner, Wizard. The thing I see that mostly will counter nightcap are the zombies frontline fighters the one I think that most best counters nightcap is 80’s since he can track enemys down and he only needs one marking on the nightcap. Point really being is giddy park nightcap is not the best compared to competive nightcaps.
Nightcap definitely feels like she could benefit from a stronger, single target burst damage primary. Imo, that’s pretty much all you need to “fix” her.
Honestly I prefer her this way, instakill would suck to deal with. Right now she is sort of like another take on Imp but with invisibility instead of a mech which works well enough.
Problem is that isn't how she's intended. You're supposed to sneak up behind Zombies and take them out from behind without them spotting you, Fung Fu doesn't do that effectively. Chomper has this in GW and it wasn't a problem, he was still an incredibly weak class that often lost more than he won.
@@Hey1mJay GW1/2 Chomper wasn’t a problem because he is very slow and not very mobile. Nightcap instakilling you from behind would be much much harder to avoid given her invisibility combined with immense speed, mobility and small size.
@@astro_nut That's why I proposed charging it up behind someone, so it's not out of nowhere. Additionally, if you weren't alone, you could still get saved by a teammate.
@@astro_nutsure chomper isn’t the fastest class in the game but he’s incredibly tanky except for hot rod. And not to mention twilight chomper also is pretty speedy to. Basiclly he can still be stealthy despite being slow cause his high HP can take quite the beating in order to reach time to his meal. Nightcap on the other hand is incredibly fast but very fragile so she has to play a little safer in order to get her target.
this video was originally going to include him too, but he's way more successful at it because his abilities support his way of stealth, goop allows you to secure kills and burrow can be an effective killer in 1 on 1 scenarios like intended He has problems but they arent as critical as night cap's
Chomper kind of happens to be good enough at a lot of things in bfn. If you happen to use him as a stealth character, he's still effective though, he's simply a top tier plant. His burrow is so much louder now, which now sort of functions as a "warning" and may keep zombies distracted/away from certain areas. Grody goop is effective at seperating zombies away from each other, and it can potentially set up a multikill if zombies keep sticking together. Old chomper would always want to pick off zombies one by one in surprise attacks, and it was his ideal strat, but bfn chomper doesn't care much for that strat and is kind of a jack of all trades in the plant team. He has the potential of successfully using Melee, Sniping, Area control, Stealth and Trapping, which makes me think bfn chomper is the greatest version of chomper in the entire history of the pvz franchise.
Nightcap's sneak and shadow abilities can make her survive a lot of situations, especially when used in tandem to trick people. Since you can use the shadow while invisible, you can walk in the bubble to increase your time invisible or you can through the bubble and NOT walk in it to bait out an opponents abilities and/or attention. In addition to this, while she struggles to confirm kills she is fairly good at supplying pressure due to her large clip and her piercing projectiles. That in combination with her revive upgrades can make her very supportive of her team in a way no other character is. Also, you can get results by being more annoying then the person you are fighting, but that applies to every character. That being said, you NEED to always play smarter than other people, CAN'T be hit by basically any ability, and most of the time SOLEY rely on your team to be effective. At this point, buffing her shadow ball helping her be supportive in other ways would probably be the best way to buff her in terms of both making her as good as possible and making her as unique as possible.
As somebody who got Nightcap to Max Rank before Wildflower became my main, I do have to agree on a lot of good points this video brings up. Fung Fu in particular should be nerfed. First nerf I would make is that it's now much quieter, with only a small swoosh sound. The second nerf would be giving it a set amount of damage like All Star's Sprint Tackle or Citron's Spin Dash. It's enough to kill an imp, but on any other class? You will usually deal considerable damage to them, around 50 to 75. Many zombies can still pose a threat even with this damage taken.
I personally feel like giving nightcap a stealth instant kill would be kinda detrimental to her in terms of game design. It would make her incredibly inconsistent to fight against. If your opponent just happens to turn around at the correct time night cap's plan is completely ruined. Nightcap is still pretty good at taking out specific targets despite not having a strong burst damage option like the spy. Being able to get the first few shots in a 1v1 is very powerful and can often tip the scales in her favor. Even if she doesn't get the kill, just making the target go away can be pretty helpful for the team. However, I feel as though she is more focused on using her stealth for taking out or hurting groups of zombies. Shadow sneak let's nightcap get into favorable positions so that she can hurt multiple zombies at once with her large piercing projectiles, or so she can surprise the zombie team with a fung fu from behind (although without upgrades you kinda have to use shadow bubbles to get that mileage out of fung fu). This is still a really well put together video, and I enjoyed watching it
Im a game developer and these ideas are kinda crazy in the fact that it would make nightcap absolutely broken - stealth character isn't supposed to be a backstabber or some kind of super instant kill for nightcap's case she's really good at what she does only problem is, her primary is rather not poor but awkward. She should deal a large burst damage with her primary about double but decreasing the ammo by half she would do really well but her mobility in bfn is a big problem her ability cooldowns are on the fast side and instead of leading to stealthy plays. It leads into cheesy. Although on her defense giving her critical damage boost whenever she hits an enemy up close or in the face or even from the back would be a pretty good choice. But chomper already has that utility. Casting shadows should have a smaller radius due to it's short cooldown BUT nerf enemies to even a greater extend or give her a damage buff or enemies a damage and slowness nerf. Fung fu is actually not bad at all it just doesn't need a damage buff. If a damage buff was necessary than this is where the assassin part comes. It should not take care of groups of zombies but rather deal with only one zombie and instantly deal high damage over 1 second. That's just an idea made up in like a minute but with proper execution it could work! No hate just constructive criticism. Love your vids man😁
Gotta love when a 'stealth' class is extremely noisy (I'm looking at you, Gw1-2 Chomper.) Speaking of Chomper, do you think you could try to fix gw1 and gw2 Chomper?
theres this glitch that if you perfectly time it, using shadow sneak and fung fu at the same time no one could see your fung fu. other than that nightcaps basic attack is way to slow and the pierce should definitely no be an upgrade
As someone thats play from the very beginning and with 2k hours on ps4 and have had some experience on pc Nightcap is great how she is. Its that you have to use your skill. Nightcap has great dps and are extremely easy to hit her shots plus having upgrades that help her with that. She is still great with stealth too although you need to learn how to play stealthy. I know nightcap mains that can wipe bb mains, and 80 mains. Her abilities are great as well being able to disappear and using the dome she has to trick her enemies to. Lastly fung fu is not supposed to be that quick kill and new players think that and die. It’s a great ability used right and not a magical quick kill.
@@Hey1mJayAlthough she is still stealthy, like 80s tags dont work while shadow sneak is active and she has upgrades that make her faster plus having to invisible abilities. For the last touch if you have high ping you can do the shadow sneak fung fu. (Also a speed glitch :0)
How did you shoot all these videos of night cap doing things on her own while you look at her from a stable point of view. Were you playing with another profile or account?
I loved this video and all but oh my god that take on fung fu is genuinely the worse thing ive ever heard suggested for this game Justifying something you LITERALLY couldnt react to in time because of latency and imput lag before you're instantly dead just because "oh the game was still new people dont know how to deal with it yet" Bruh theres a REASON it got nerfed, ive dealt with the nerfed version for years now and it's still such a crutch for new players/people who dont want to use their brain
I think you are trying to compare her to spy too much. She has some pretty sneaky elements, but is she really TRYING to be a full on stealth character? I do not believe she is nor does she need to be. I think its intentional, why else would she have loud audio cues for her abilities? She has a unique playstyle and a purpose in the roster despite not truly being a stealth character. She has a lot of similar design choices to imp. She is mobile, fragile attacker with a few similar imp abilities however she still feels completely different to play. You are still rewarded for positioning yourself well even though Nightcap's design isn't fully focused on it. Piercing shots, ability noise being masked, etc. But it's an option, you aren't required to try to play as a stealth character for her to be effective. I feel like you are trying to make her a different character than she is. It's a valid take to want a full on stealth character, but I would not say Nightcap is poorly designed. However, you mentioned Garden Warfare chomper in this video. Unlike Nightcap, you have no choice but to play with his (poorly designed gimmick) playstyle the devs tried to give him. THAT character is poorly designed at everything.
@@anonymousnoise72601 nah I like both and honestly think it could be a good game if they kept on updating it instead of stopping so abruptly like they did
