Normalizing Evil : The Service of the Clone Troopers 

Just like in the episode, a lot of people don't understand it. Heck, there are people who think soldiers are stupid. It was memed when on this channel, they were discussing the IQ test and how dumb it was, one of the guests, a girl, forgot some details about her, shook her head when the other guests said they saw the one who is a US trooper as the real smart one.

It’s something I kinda understand and relate to. While I have never served in the military. Because I’m too young and I’m still in school, I feel a extreme calling to it and I know that when I graduate from high school if not the military then there will be nothing else in this world for me. Sometimes it’s just that calling. Maybe you have the skills or would be better suited for something else but it’s that calling that drives you, that shapes you. And if you can’t grasp that part of you and hold on to it well as Obi Wan said “well then you are lost!”

@@Prophetofthe8thLegion Unless you have brass nuts/tits and feel like dealing with the government weekly with medical expenses and other BS…don’t do it kid. Trust me. I served in the US Army for 8 years, and it got me nowhere with education, a job opportunity afterwards…or anything useful really. The government is very “choosy” on who gets what benefits. Before you ask, it’s not about race or anything like that. I was an E-5 (Sergeant), honourably discharged, and have a few coins and other “rewards” from my time in. Sorry to be such a downer, I just wanted to make sure you have a clear understanding of what you’re getting into. To end on a good note, I will say that I have met the greatest people in my life throughout my stint. I hope this helps, have a great day.

@@tylerlabombard9092 why does everyone think I’m going into this thinking it’s all gonna be great and glorious. I’m aware it’s gonna suck I’m aware of the issues with the military, I’m aware I’ll probably hate it afterwards. But…I hate pretty much everything else so I’d rather just in the future maybe hate something I liked rather then just hate something I already hated. Atleast then I would have gotten some small satisfaction out of existence.

@@Prophetofthe8thLegion I’m just trying to help, bub. I’m not trying to discourage you. I’m just trying to make sure that you understand the cons of it because no one understands what they are getting into. And honestly, with the president we’re under now it might be a completely frilly little wonderland of snowflakes, sunshine, and rainbows. 😂😂

Eeyup.

Shut the flip up.

Pretty sure that was Troy. Odysseus (Sean Bean) says this to Achilles (Brad Pitt).

@@davidcroteau7374 my mistake I use to watch them both alot the blended together I guess lol thanks

or like Niko Bellic from GTA IV has saied it

It's been 15 years already? Wow, man does time fly!

Not even remember it's a story that's been going on since the 1970s... Luke in a New Hope "You fought in the Clone Wars?"

I remember watching that shit in theaters. Time flies

If you count TCW's 2003 predeccesor, The 'Clone Wars' which was vastly different but gave the stepping stones for TCW (Ventress, Rex was supposed to be an Alpha ARC Trooper), then it could be 20 years from a certain point of view.

@@GreenBlueWalkthrough True, altough back then "The Clone Wars" was different from the ones shown in the Prequels era.

This is such a true statement. As a veteran myself, I can attest to this. When I was getting out, I had a week of mostly reading about how to adjust to living, & readjustment to the civilian world. Talk about training trial by fire style. None of it would prepare me for what I was up against. Luckily, for many veterans, they are constantly thinking on the fly when it comes to adapting, & overcoming a situational shit-show. For those not so lucky, there’s alcoholism, drug addiction, homelessness, ‘ of course the elephant in the room no one will discuss, suicide.

​@@bryanmiller8604 I may not you but I just want to say that I appreciate whatever you did in the military. Even though I doubt I'd join the military myself I've always appreciated the hard work all the men and women do for this country.

And we all know what normally happens to deserters

I suggest you read the Republic Commando novels by Karen Traviss, she explores what exactly awaits clones who don’t want to fight for the Republic anymore.. Spoiler The Republic sics literal assassination squads on them to kill them, like rabid and disobedient dogs. It is horrible.

​@@jeremymott Rex really had to hold himself back from just killing Cut right then and there. Just goes to show how much the clones hated deserters.

'financial security'? lol jedi didn't get paid. And while we don't see it in the show, I wouldn't be surprised if Jedi would be arrested for leaving via desertion as well as the clones. By this point in history the laws had been subtly, consistently altered placing Jedi completely under the oversight of the judiciary and then Palpatine due to war time powers acts being passed in the senate. By the end of the war Palpatine legally was in control of the entire Order, which he never should have been.

@@aliciaaltair Ahsoka literally meaves the Order and thus the Republic military in the show lol, and nothing happens to her afterwards

It's just a contrived plot point to draw on the audiences emotions.

@@LMGunslinger it's fiction, everything is made to pull on our emotions

Honestly you can't give them rights. The moment you do clones will be bred to influence policy.

@@vikingsword3485that is interesting

Apathy is death.

Not really. Not at least with the comparison of young adults fighting in wars vs clones. Maybe the Putin thing, but outside of Russia most places have either a volunteer age or conscription age of starting at 17 with 18 being the close second.

@GenerationTech12 no thanks bot.

I do love how he turns the entire Star Wars universe into a cautionary tale. He’s definitely one of the more insightful guys on here.

The nu empire has go be cartoonishly evil.

Well they're not being rapidly phased out here either. It's stated by Chuchi in the episodes that each clone will finish their term of service (approx 10 years, 20 for the last batch of clones with at least one clone being in imperial service in the new cannon in 1ABY, albeit in his final year). But it's what happens to them after that service ends which is the issue, and that lack of a retirement plan will then be grandfathered into the stormtrooper corp.

I don't hate this version. It's very Palpatine like to discard something once its use has passed. Even Vader he was constantly trying to replace.

This is one of the outlying things that actually works well in Disney's version. The original idea of clones just naturally shifting out of deployment in favor of cheaper soldiers makes a lot more logical sense, but with Palpatine actually controlling that, it does fit his personality to just view clones as trash or leftovers after their original purpose was done. The older story still works better, because while he would certainly not care about clones, he's still a smart character and should recognize that using the already available clones who still want to keep their jobs is a lot more useful that rapidly replacing them. It also works better to use with more story, because you have more room to write certain clones as being more imperial, while others see it for what it is and want no part of the empire. That dichotomy is almost totally gone if the writing says that all clones are forcibly phased out.

Except that Palpatine was paranoid as hell , and for good reason since he'd screwed the galaxy over, so he didn't really trust that his attack dogs wouldn't turn on HIM some day. So, he basically gave them the Old Yeller treatment. Though he did keep a few around here or there to train Stormtroopers /carry out difficult assignments.

Party because now the gen that grew up with and liked the prequels have a voice, also partly because the prequel era has so much development potential. For all the faults of the films the world building was the best of the 3 trilogies by far

Fans who were 10-20 years old when the original trilogy was released regarded the prequels with just as much disdain as the fans who were 10-20 years when the prequels were released regard the sequels. In time, the sequels will come to be admired by the current generation of 10-20 year olds, provided their opinions are not tainted by older fans of the other trilogies.

I think the B1 battle droids could react with fear was part of a self-preservation instinct built into their programming.

@@thesharpercoder i dont think anyone is ever going to like the sequels. Even Disney admitted they botched that.

That's because the sequels got shat on But instead of fixing them, they decided to go backwards to the prequels and OT The best we got is the Mandalorian slowly connecting things up to the sequels

We already have as a nation.

They were pawns in the beginning, only to serve Palpatine's purpose of establishing a new order and eliminating the Jedi. He could care less about them or any one for that matter. The same with the droids of the confederacy.

I used to think the same way as you. I thought, well certainly right and wrong isn't that hard, of course everyone knows. Then I went to college and met a wider circle of people than I had previously interacted with, and I realized that it isn't that easy for some people. There are a lot of grey areas, people who have been taught wrong ideas and ethics growing up, and then there are unfortunately people out there who don't believe in ethics or care about doing the right thing, and those people only follow the rules and do ethical things because they have to to get somewhere in society. Society has and must continue to put a lot of effort into coming to a shared set of ethics and what is right, since there are a select few people who can do a lot of harm if there wasn't a system in place to discourage "wrongdoing." Hence why there are so many scholars, bureaucrats, ect. who dedicate their lives to trying to figure this stuff out. That said, it should be up to each one of us to contribute to the pool of understanding ethics, government, and deciding what is right for society, and I agree that there are people out there who want to discourage us from thinking for control purposes, and we must always reject this

@@kylekohlmeyer1087 well I more believe in that those people you mentioned are symptoms of our current society's shortcomings rather than society taking this approach because these people exist

Kamino was given senatorial representation during TCW to advocate for more clones

Actually Kamino got a senator during the Clone Wars. That's what they're referring to.

Well, roughly 2 decades of slow stripping away of senatorial power till just before Yavin.