Olena Tregub - Are Allies Finally Starting to Back Ukraine to Win not Merely to Survive the Invasion

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Olena Tregub is a Ukrainian expert in policy analysis, policy design and reform implementation, with a special focus on corruption prevention in economic and security sectors. Since 2017 Olena has been Secretary General of NAKO (the Independent Defence Anti-Corruption Committee) - an international oversight body created by Transparency International. It’s her mission to strengthen democratic oversight over defence spending, increase accountability and transparency of the sector, which is critical in wartime, and has become a hotly debated topic in the run-up to the 2024 US election. Before joining the Ukrainian government, Olena built her career abroad in journalism, policy analysis, education, and international development. Olena has worked in the UN Headquarters in New York, taught International Relations in American universities, and cooperated with The New York Times and Kyiv Post.
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@ronigbzjr 18 дней назад

I have visited Ukraine recently and fell in love with the brave people of this nation. I am sorry for your losses. Thank you for defending democracy. Слава Україні 🇺🇦🩵💛

@juanblankevoort428 18 дней назад

SLAVA UKRAINI

@chrisrishermn 15 дней назад

Democracy = Unnatural sex, drugs and rock n roll?

@buriedbits6027 18 дней назад

This war is brutal. The occupation of Ukrainian culture and society is cynical and dare I say, genocidal. We must help our Ukrainian brothers and sisters. Thank you for interviewing your guest. Her time and insights were very important.

@rorychivers8769 18 дней назад

It's always the same stupid fucking story with all genocidal dictatorships, they always believe "if only you were the same as me, we could be friends", without ever contemplating the fact that maybe they if they should be more like us, if they hadn't already made up their mind that it would be beneath them.

@gregharrison3289 18 дней назад

Ukraine is blessed with an abundance of talented people.

@18_rabbit 16 дней назад

yes, very, but also they've always been passionate and serious ppl. That is THE reason they survived since '14, and everyone in charge of most countries on earth knows that. Ru is an anachronistic plainly hyper-aggressie state bcuz it's run by both autocrat bureacrats & the only large secret police on the planet, that developed its sophistication during the USSR period. These newer apparatchiks are plainly wantonly avariciously greedy and decadent and have created a culture of bloodlust etc. This is plain hyper-fascism, not just 'fascism' as knew it in ww2. Those of us who have known eastern europeans, eastern germans, russians and the ethnic parts of russia, know these plain simple facts. RU has to be contained, or there will be no world as we've known it during the economic levitation of '45-now. Simple.

@dmitryshusterman9494 14 дней назад

@@18_rabbitwell put. Also, these nuts in Russia bolster fashism all over the world. It's not a coincidence we got trump to deal with. Europe got similar problems as well.

@EricaFiore 18 дней назад

Ukraine don't ever need to be spoon fed by what type Putin or Russia to decides what kind of sovereign Ukraine is or choose.

@user-qk9xo6zt3x 18 дней назад

Olena hit the nail on the head. The agency that UA demonstrates is an inspiration - and lesson - to the entire West at least, and perhaps the entire globe.

@dimdaman 18 дней назад

Great channel, I enjoy your interviews very much.

@carlosmccauley6196 18 дней назад

The west needs to give Ukraine what it needs!

@dirkhouben9960 18 дней назад

Then you put your money where your mouth is.

@Nobleheart111 18 дней назад

Done.

@michaelwilson9921 18 дней назад

So will they send soldiers setting off WWIII?

@davidbrancaleone3039 18 дней назад

Keep up your good work. Your steady consistency is key and much appreciated.

@juanblankevoort428 18 дней назад

Very clever lady thanks for your video great report SLAVA Ukraini

@bruceferry6229 18 дней назад

Her first interview was great, I had been wondering when she would be back. Awesome!

@catznjam470 18 дней назад

Nobody is ever going to believe pootin again, that's over forever 💯💯

@JohnMcPhersonStrutt 16 дней назад

I could listen to Olena all evening. SLAVA UKRAINI ! !

@flyboya340 18 дней назад

F16 and the Mirage will make a huge diference...

@djparn007 18 дней назад

Thank you, Jonathan. Slava Ukraini 🇺🇦

@mike4480 18 дней назад

Glory to All of the Heroes of Ukraine …. 💙💛💙

@danielduesentriebjunior 18 дней назад

Absolutely, it is about winning and not about barely surviving!

@AahFukIt 18 дней назад

How does winning look like?

@uribensh 18 дней назад

Great conversation, Slava Ukraine 🇺🇦

@Alexander-James 18 дней назад

Backing Ukraine is the sole morale position one can make in this situation. If you do not back Ukraine you either fail on moral reasoning, or you lack any form of morality.

@damarcusowens5511 18 дней назад

what about all the other problems in America that the money going to Ukraine could be used for housing, education,infrastructure, healthcare and all the other problems around the world Ukraine is nothing special to be put above the problems we have here in America.

@Alexander-James 18 дней назад

@@damarcusowens5511spotted the Trump supporter

@CollectiveDefence 18 дней назад

@@Alexander-James You spotted the russian bot pretending to be an American.

@user-oc6dh2yp2w 18 дней назад

@@damarcusowens5511 Why would you need any infrastructure, jobs or education if the world is destroted by a nuclear war? And that's exactly what will happen if Putin is not stopped.

@TheCroupier74 18 дней назад

@@damarcusowens5511you don’t realize that helping Ukraine is actually making the USA a ton of money, they are saving on the disposal cost of old equipment and munitions and they are boosting their economy with thousands of new jobs and manufacturing to build equipment and munitions for aUkraine? It is also saving trillions of dollars in the future as the USA doesn’t have to fight with their own people and also means they won’t have to fight China in Taiwan. And another thing, you better not vote for Trump if you care about healthcare, education, welfare economic growth, equality and unemployment in the USA.

@NorbertFischer1 18 дней назад

It was great to hear a Ukrainian voice speaking with such level-headed clarity about what must be so personally painful. You tackled some tough questions head-on, without wavering. Thank you Olena and thank you Jonathon. I hope many more decision-makers watch this.

@JodyCorrigan-rn1ug 18 дней назад

Best guest ever she's excely!!

@catznjam470 18 дней назад

I do believe they are 💪🏼🇺🇦🌻🇺🇦🌻🇺🇦🌻🇺🇦👍👍👍👍👍👍

@timsecord8207 18 дней назад

Great interview Jonathan! Slava Ukraini, Heroyam Slava!🇺🇦🇨🇦🌻

@coodudeman 18 дней назад

i wish i was in a better position to help Ukraine... as it is, all i can do right now is vote for people in my government who i feel are more likely to help the war have a less tragic ending

@chuckkottke 18 дней назад

Olena speaks to the heart of the matter, thank you Johnathan for having her on your podcast! 💛💙

@Jeanne90275 18 дней назад

❤Slava Ukraini❤

@mike4480 18 дней назад

..Glory to All of the Heroes of Ukraine … 💙💛💙

@donaldflett1504 16 дней назад

I am a 76 year old American living in Kherson throughout the war and I take the Budapest Memorandum very seriously such that we Americans must therefore treat the Russian war of aggression in Ukraine as the same as an attack on our soil in the interest of national security. Ukraine is a military ally at war with a common ememy and we must feel the loss of every Ukrainian soldiers as one of our own boys. Since Russia invaded Ukraine, all military targets on Russian territory are fair game. I volunteered for the Kherson Territorial Defense force three days before the full scall invasion on February 4, 2022 and I was turned down because of my age. I have tried three more times in various ways but I have not been successful but I will keep trying. My goal is to ride out of Kherson on an American Abrams M1 tank in a mechanized river crossing to the left bank of the Dnipro. Great discussion as always. Keep up the good work.

@omarlopez8893 18 дней назад

Suport from Spain.

@catznjam470 18 дней назад

I think a lot of people in the Donbas region got a very rude awakening, like the Russian conscripts once they get to the front lines - pootin told Donetsk and luhansk regions they were sovereign territories, and then proceeded to take them completely over and use them for fodder and take all their stuff..

@agustinussiahaan6669 18 дней назад

Slava Ukraine. From Indonesia.

@leschristinenewman3775 18 дней назад

Very insightful as usual

@cimabuehw 16 дней назад

So good to see the French leading. It's not something I ever expected.

@johncromwell2529 18 дней назад

Loved Zelenskyy s hug to the Vet!

@DarkestAlice 7 дней назад

Thank you, Jonathan, for inviting Olena Tregub again. Thank you, Olena, for your conversation. 🇺🇦 Перемоги і миру всім українцям! 🇺🇦

@SiliconCurtain 7 дней назад

👍👍👍🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦

@user-tr4xw2ey3u 17 дней назад

Keep up the great work, Jonathan.

@johncromwell2529 18 дней назад

Zelensky and Biden are amazing politicians of the moment. Trump and Sunak didnt show up at all

@carriebryan1211 18 дней назад

Aside from being a private citizen and therefore not invited to stand with heads of state, Trump is also a convicted felon and thus unable to enter France.

@TheYeti308 18 дней назад

biden filled his damn pants during the ceremony the Americans must be embarrassed .

@TheYeti308 18 дней назад

For heavens sake , joe soiled himself at the ceremony . not my guy . Can someone get Zalinesy a dress suit .

@maritaschweizer1117 17 дней назад

@@TheYeti308suits should forbidden. It is so annoying that all politicions beside Selensky wear so terrible looking clothes.

@luminyam6145 18 дней назад

That was a great interview, thank you.

@SiliconCurtain 18 дней назад

👍👍👍

@pseudointellectual7843 18 дней назад

Another fascinating episode from Jonathan. Easily one of the best podcasts on RU-vid. Well done!

@bruceferry6229 18 дней назад

❤

@MsTrotwood 18 дней назад

❤👍🏻

@CaptainTTD 18 дней назад

Just totally fell in love with Olena ... wish there where something I could do to help Ukraine and there brave people

@migproductions4045 18 дней назад

Another great broadcast with excellent information..another average comment with hardly any 😋

@tatyanatavares4168 18 дней назад

Дуже дякую за інтервію. 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦

@jeffreyabell 16 дней назад

❤ context and details

@drlegendre 17 дней назад

I can only hope so, Lena! I'm sick & tired of this "war by half-measures" - and if the US isn't in it to win, then why are we in it at all?

@hififlipper 18 дней назад

Good to see the digits rising on the subscribers of yours. Olena is a wonderful guest and a beautiful woman. I think that helps. Great talk!

@jasonjorawsky1744 17 дней назад

Thank you for continuing to post these important conversations. They are beyond informative and highly underrated. I can’t believe there aren’t more views. Keep up the great work!

@stevenjohns-savage7024 16 дней назад

Thanks Jonathan

@jtodd36 18 дней назад

Jonathan is suprr smart and so well worth listening to.

@klaasvakie 18 дней назад

The man's delusional!

@unfixablegop 18 дней назад

"Support Ukraine as long as it takes" - this was a mutual attrition strategy. At some point both sides would get tired of the war and make peace. This had two obvious flaws and should never have been tried. Firstly, the asymmetry between the two sides is too great. A long war would always benefit Russia. And secondly, there was never going to be a bargained solution. Russia would not agree to anything less than Crimea and the newly stolen territories staying Russian. And Ukraine would not agree to anything less than getting its territories back. I am skeptical when it comes to actual commitments to Ukraine winning. My theory is that Ukraine forced the new rules of engagement by attacking early warning systems deep inside Russia. The West hated that so much that they agreed to the new rules, provided that Ukraine would stop its nuclear mischief.

@g3air3 18 дней назад

A mistake to think a long war benefits Russia - from an military attrition perspective yes, but from a social and economic perspective, it is a disaster which will be felt for generations

@albertocontreras3312 18 дней назад

This war is the most pivotal happening that anyone could have ever imagined ever . Angels defending good against utter evil and explaining the very psicological structure of how evil minds work to the whole Fee World . Fearlesly fighting and dying face to face with the devil and prevailing . West wasn't aware that this utter evilness could ever exist currently . Brilliantly gifted ukrainian people teaching how GOOD must be defended . There is still much more to be done .

@jimcusack433 18 дней назад

Has anyone approached the evangelical churches in the US about the Russian persecutions?

@rjScubaSki 18 дней назад

Should Tucker Carlson and his ilk be included in the list of propagandists? I’m not sure. There should be some accountability, and the first amendment doesn’t apply globally especially when actively cheerleading warcrimes.

@sweetvictory5643 18 дней назад

Yes, they are also Putin's propagandists abroad, in the West. I'm Ukrainian living in Canada for a long time. In 2006 I happened to befriend an psychologist who was recruited by a Kremlin operative when he was an university student and became a communist, visited Moscow in 1968 with other communists and again was recruited. Before February 24, 2022 he never asked me about Ukraine and its history. But since then became a Putin's admirer and propagandist. He turned nasty. I'm sure he's getting paid for it.

@bobjohnbowles 18 дней назад

IMO Carlson should have a special place on the list, like William Joyce aka 'Lord Haw-Haw', the British turncoat who broadcast from Germany during WW2.

@blaircalvin5025 18 дней назад

Tucker and Moscow Marge should be right at the top of the list.

@catznjam470 18 дней назад

It would be very nice to have Ukraine as part of our community - they are a strong, resourceful, innovative population and lovely to know - I wish I were younger and could travel there sometime.. 🥰👍🇺🇦🌻🇺🇦🌻🇺🇦

@yurilytviak9066 18 дней назад

Thanks again , Mr Curtain . I have great difficulty commenting on any such podcasts without spitting anger at the west’s once again encouraging a bloodbath in Eastern Europe . Perhaps one day when discussing the corruption in Ukraine it would be useful to compare it to a system like , say , the American one where no one unable to raise many millions stands the remotest chance . How is it that it’s taken so long for ‘us’ to begin to appreciate how deeply our governing class has been penetrated by hostile forces ?

@user-fu8gy3py6s 18 дней назад

Thanks

@timmommens901 18 дней назад

07:04 Spot on 👍

@GMT_400 18 дней назад

I am glad to see Europe stepping up to carry the torch for Ukraine. I just hope that the business of permission doesn’t backfire in the USA as it just muddies the water in place of the simple notion of providing the equipment needed for self-defense. I think all Americans understand that quite well.

@carlosmccauley6196 18 дней назад

Why did it take so long?

@davidgleinbach7316 18 дней назад

RESPECT, THE TOTAL PACKAGE, ....GREATNESS IS SELF EVIDENT🔱⭐.

@catznjam470 18 дней назад

Ukraine used to be, but they have changed things a lot since 2014.

@TKMcClone 18 дней назад

Excellent conversation, great to hear that there is some effort to go after the propagandists! Regarding the last question, we would be better to ask - Are we prepared for Russians attempt to absolve themselves of all responsibility? I think the excuse making for the war will be greater than the excuse making for the outcome. Ultimately, post Putin, Russians will want things go back to 'before times', they will seek absolution though claimed victimhood. Political apathy removes feelings of responsibility for the actions of the state.

@henrikarboejensen812 18 дней назад

On what a nation is by The french filosopher Ernest Renan : " A nation is a soul, a spiritual principle. Two things, which in truth are but one, constitute this soul or spiritual principle. One lies in the past, one in the present. " Ukraine and russia could hardly be more different. One the victim, the other the aggressor.

@dirkhouben9960 18 дней назад

Both those nations are actually one and the same (origine, culture, religion, language,..) I would say NATO is the aggressor here and both Ukraine and Russia are the victims. But that's just my opinion.

@henrikarboejensen812 18 дней назад

@@dirkhouben9960 Point accepted. Can you explain the faiths of Maksim Shapoval and Denis Voronenkov.

@dirkhouben9960 18 дней назад

@@henrikarboejensen812 No, I can not.

@JanLion-zb1bd 18 дней назад

Don't forget Holland. We do not just send helmets. Also infantry vehicles, tanks, patriot, F16 and anti-mining boats. The F16's are allowed to strike inside Russia.

@klaasvakie 18 дней назад

Vir so 'n onbevoegte nasie, het die Kaaskoppe het nog altyd groot gepraat. Meer bek as binnegoed!

@idicula1979 18 дней назад

For Ukraine to be victorious in this war against Russia that is a change the world and its economies and logistics can’t handle. I want for Ukraine to be victorious of course, but can you imagine the mourning after? It will challenge a lot of notions, I say bring them on what is life, without the consistency of change, but economies aren’t meant for that, and it will be one hell of a turning.

@nurseSean 18 дней назад

22:28 corruption in the face of immediate need is blatant. Everyone would stand up and oppose corruption at this point. Just like the defense of Kyiv on the First 3 days of the war citizens will organize and act.

@MrBudgiejoe 18 дней назад

Ukraine 🇺🇦 Europe🇪🇺America 🇺🇸 Democracy & Freedom all across the world 🌍

@serdobsky_ 18 дней назад

Американская колония*

@MrBudgiejoe 18 дней назад

@@serdobsky_ Ты русский робот

@peterlaurie1247 18 дней назад

European soldiers need fighting experience in Ukraine to get them up to speed with the correct composition of their own armed forces and help them deal with an experienced Russian army, should a wider conflict occur.

@PeterA650 18 дней назад

💯

@stevenjohns-savage7024 18 дней назад

Rat gets nothing. The Free stands with Ukraine 😊

@user-fx4xg5np1n 18 дней назад

Excellent guest. More people and politicians need to wake up and learn about what is really going on by the brutal Russians. This includes the media as well who rarely cover in an unbiased way. Russia is not a great country nor a great culture.

@WonderMagician 14 дней назад

Olena Tregub stated the absolute fact: Ukraine is an old nation, but the State of Ukraine is very young!

@WalterBurton 13 дней назад

👍👍👍

@paulnickelles207 17 дней назад

No they wouldn't

@kalmansovari6878 18 дней назад

What is going on with the 'London cars'?

@LudmillaOlesnicky 18 дней назад

I hope that the European people will finally understand that they too under threat that they can lose their freedom and everything that they worked for if Ukraine loses and Russia invades the rest of Europe.

@TheSkilledballplaya 18 дней назад

milions will leave because of energy ..wow..in Slovakia we are already a bit overrun by Ukrainians..i mean, they are all welcome here but if another big vawe is comming we can basically call this Ukraine...and Scholz is sitting on Taurus like a frog on a spring! Fuck!

@chrisrishermn 17 дней назад

Ukraine is burning and bleeding. Nato says "that was the plan so we don't get dirty, suckers - I mean heros.

@TheDog_Chef 18 дней назад

In an interview with Russian politician Zimin he said Western countries should erect solid gold and platinum statues of Putin because he has single handily revived Western militaries and weapons industry!😂

@gerryhouska2859 18 дней назад

Everybody should watch that interview, a fearless intelligent ruSSian.

@Phantom-mg5cg 18 дней назад

7:20 Politically it´s impossible in Germany to start anything military. Most people are very cautious because of World War 2. In Germany almost nobody fears Russian collapse, Germany is fighting with itself and its history. Also way to many people in Germany still think Russia could tank everything and would have endless resources, therefore they consider it useless to support someone fighting Russia. Ukraine can change this showing strength.

@serdobsky_ 18 дней назад

Нет, не может. Зеленский поставил весь демографический потенциал Украины на кон, и проиграл. Больше у Украины нет достаточного количества молодых мужчин, которые готовы умереть за ЛГБТ-парады и коррупцию сына Джо Байдена.

@mat3714 18 дней назад

Algorithm

@johnmuirhead7855 18 дней назад

The UK 🇬🇧 were First to Help Ukraine just like we were the First to help Poland in 1939... let's hope we get More Votes at the Eurovision in Future 😜

@user-yd6sj3pe4j 16 дней назад

Tanks Ukraine left behind . & Russian soldiers took it yesterday .

@thomasmills7273 17 дней назад

Need to reduce the videos to less than 30 minutes. Can't afford nearly 60 minutes in my day.

@jondoe1622 14 дней назад

No. Sorry.

@coodudeman 18 дней назад

i always find the blurry background to be distracting.... i end up missing so much because the borders of the area censored shifts and it becomes the shiny moving colors that trigger my ADHD to act up...

@torontobro 18 дней назад

Turn away and just listen

@petergreenwood7731 18 дней назад

Who is the president of Ukraine?

@arthurbister8894 18 дней назад

I really dislike that you blurr the background

@Donovanwashere 18 дней назад

I’m worried that the republicans are showing “support” for Ukraine because it’s a popular political issues, however, it’s pretty clear what would happen if trump got elected. He would obviously stop supporting Ukraine and possibly nato as a whole

@amtoft1713 18 дней назад

Escalate now..

@smackattack4284 18 дней назад

Treaty for no NATO in Ukraine. End the war.

@michaelwilson9921 18 дней назад

When the US planned the proxy war in Ukraine in 2019, the goal was never for Ukraine to win. The goal was only for the US to win the "great game" of "geopolitical competition." The "benefits" of the proxy war were that it would "likely increase the costs to Russia, in both blood and treasure." "Albeit at the expense of the Ukrainian people." The "risks" of producing "disproportionately large Ukrainian casualties, territorial losses, and refugee flows," were deemed risks worth taking in the clash "over conflicting spheres of influence."

@andyzx9682 18 дней назад

" united kingdom " .. lmao !! 'Dictated kingdom ' mare like .

@danielduesentriebjunior 18 дней назад

Sorry, but the quality of Olena's video is much better than yours. Why don't you pay attention to this?

@cuffalobill 18 дней назад

this is a perfect display of ukrainian entitlement lmao

@dennisg8164 18 дней назад

With respect to the modern non soviet era fighter jets. There is no way in hell you can convert the experienced pilots to modern aircraft and, more importantly, the way they fight. It's too complicated and too different. When the poop hits the fan they will revert to what they know and be destroyed. The pilots need to be trained from scratch if this program is to have any chance of success. Sadly, they don't have the luxury of that time. Therefore, they need to hire mercenary pilots or as the lady says, Europe has to step in and finish this. You cannot rely on the usa. The only thing they understand is cut and run

@catznjam470 18 дней назад

Jake Broe broke some records getting donations through crowd funding to buy and equip medical evacuation vehicles, and to help get the medics where they need to go. It was awesome! Everyone wants to help, they just need to know how and where it is the most needed 💯🇺🇦🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🥰🫂👍👍🇺🇦🇺🇦