Overwatch 2 Tiktoks That Get You Through Awkward Thanksgiving Conversations 

yes he did

yeah pretty much... half the time i don't think flats pays attention to what people are saying and is just looking at stats which just entirely misses the whole point 😭

That happened to me. First comp game they put me in a dia 3 lobby and it felt like my whole team was also new and same as me and the enemy team were actual dia 3 players… we lost and I requeue and guess what? They put me in a dia 3 lobby… again

He's out here talking about it like it's generous, instead of predatory.

glad it's not just me befuddled by his incompetence

OverWatch players when OverWatch makes their skins more affordable: 😡

It's not making it more affordable but. We've seen Blizzard pull this shit before. It was probably always going to be $50 so they made it $68 and threw in the "extra" $18 so fools like you would lap that shit up 🤷‍♂@@kingauther7812

@@kingauther7812what a dumb takeaway from this

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Pq tbm se fosse alguém poderia usar um vpn e conseguir um desconto gigante então alguém tem que sair perdendo

Theyre skins buddy..virtual pixels with the sole purpose of being simply cosmetic...JUST DONT FUCKING BUY THEM THEY SERVE ZERO PURPOSE

@@vruh1404 yeah but imagine you want a skin. some us kid dumps 1.5 hours of pay to get the skin. someone else has to dump a week's. you don't think on a corporate level that's kind of pathetic nobody thought about that?

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If prices changed based on country, it would likely encourage spoofing your location to get lower prices. I'd like reasonable prices on cosmetics too, but I don't see this as a convincing enough angle to change the mind of a billion dollar company.

im not trying to be insensitive here but if you make $3 an hr buying skins should be the least of your priorities. you can play the game completely for free, skins arent necessary and have almost no impact on your gameplay

@@kingmoosh2004 i'm pretty sure the point here is why should people in a country like brazil have to miss out on skins just because they live there.

You arent "insensitive" you are just not using your brain

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@@ezraiscompostHiya Ezra!!! !!

The shark vtuber model they have is incredibly funny and awesome. :)

@@theblueone_14I MADE THAT WITH MY PHOTOSHOP WIZARDRY SO TYSM!!!!!!

Sharkussy

Typing Timmys with be Typing Timmys

A true example of a wild narcissist in their natural habitat

We trade one villain for another type shit. Lootboxes were bad, but at least I felt like I was getting skins half the time, even when not spending a dime

It really doesn't take months, I got some friends to start playing a week or 2 ago and they all already have a legendary for a couple heroes

@@Warriorcat_RU-vidlootboxes were not bad, at least in overwatch’s case, other companies also did lootboxes and then got them banned in places like the eu, and because of that, Overwatch was forced to switch over

@@addazarmy6826yeah maybe by using the legacy credits, but for new cosmetics, either you buy the battlepass or buy them straight up, if you want to grind for one, it’ll take about 17 weeks or 119 days

This. I didn't like the lootbox system but at least I got enough boxes and coins to not care about them and just get the skins I wanted if I didn't get them from free boxes.

yeah they are the reason blizzard gets away with this shi lmao

Righ5... i did buy the kpop skins. Was it worth it no, why did i do it. I hace disposable income and it was funny

Maybe they don't want to buy a whole game though. Maybe they're happy with Overwatch still.

@@CopShowGuy what kind of cope shit is that lmao? that doesnt excuse a multi milion dollar comany or some shit like that to make omega overpriced skins just because they know there is gonna be the usual players (like flats) that will buy the skins while sucking on their cock lmao

Literally all you need to say is "There's bigger issues than cosmetics that need to be fixed first" and "The reality is they're never gonna bring down their prices. We may not like it but they do it because they can. You either stop playing/paying or accept it" but to justify it is bizarre to me. Especially when people were giving excellent rebuttals that Flats didn't really seem to beat. "What if people don't like that cheaper skin?" Okay? Can't you say the same thing now?

It's how he rose to the top of Overwatch content creation.

You can buy Overwatch 1 for $50 lol

@@DanielHodder7I got it for $20 and I don’t recall it being on sale

@@basedbasil9261 The original retail price was 40 US$ for the regular edition, and 60 US$ for the Origin edition. Both got lowered by 20$ permanently in 2019.

@@basedbasil9261 The game was $50 at launch was my point

@@DanielHodder7 hell yeah. It cost me like $9 when it first came out. I was lucky to get the Razer bundle from Taco Bell lmfao. Life was good back then

As long as its not Midfield bahaha.

lol i did just that, bought bg3 and enjoy it a lot. even tho i can buy the skins i said nah f that, save em up for black friday sales, absolutely not worth it unless ow is the only game u play.

People need to start thinking more like this.

Yeah after the first minute of that I had to skip ahead.

@@karamei lol, same

​@@karameiit was like a 5 minute rant bro 😂

@@HighDef_Gaming 10 minute rant lol

@@karameii do the same, dude lets the rants go on too long at this point

Then buy that many games instead of the skins... nobody is forcing anyone...

@@addazarmy6826 No one said they are. Learn to read first.

just because people could not buy it does not make the price any better@@addazarmy6826

@@DanielHodder7 I did read it, I just dont understand the perpetual whining ow players have over COSMETIC items, if you think they're a ripoff then don't buy them. Simple as.

If buying the $50 bundle gave you some kind of gameplay advantage it'd be completely different but that's just not the case. If people want to buy the skins for $50 it's their choice to do so and by selling these skins blizzard gets the resources to actually bring content to the game. I haven't bought any cosmetics since I started playing ow2 and it really isn't that big of a deal

What?

When you have a lot of income. Something like 20$ doesn't seem that bad.

Streamers can't be trusted to give a realistic take on monetary things, they don't live in the real world like the rest of us

​@agust5215 lol okay

@@agust5215when games have inflation on a digital currency, even with income $20 is still unrealistic for a skin 60 the price of a game more so.

and yet we out here buying underdeveloped AAA games at the same price

Then don't buy them :)

@@GoldenKirby the most buggy AAA mess of a release is still a better value than 4 cosmetics at 70$.

@@binra777 Personally, id rather not buy either, shoot, I wouldn't 't buy either. Cosmetics will never be the same value of a game, obviously, but they are going to be used as a source of income as long as the vast majority pay for it

@@GoldenKirby the only thing I've bought in ow was the pve missions just because I had been waiting for them for so long. They were super disappointing and I'm not buying the next ones as it stands. The price point isn't a necessary one for blizzard to keep the lights on, so I don't appreciate people reducing this to being naive about bidness. noone is being unreasonable by calling the shop prices outrageous 🙂

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How the fuck does free to play overwatch 2 make money without battle pass / skin purchases. Nobody is forcing anyone to buy anything and the only people who have an issue with it is overwatch 1 players who are salty that they no longer have the most generous cosmetic system in the entire industry and that's coming from someone who did play overwatch 1. Boo hoo for you but I'd far rather the game be free so I can get my friends into it than have a generous system for cosmetics THAT HAVE NO IMPACT ON GAMEPLAY AT ALL. Jesus christ overwatch players just want any excuse to whine at Blizzard

100% agreed. I was annoyed at Splatoon 3's equivalent to a battlepass, but at least it's 100% free. I recall during the One Punch Man collab in OW, I thought "hey, I might buy the skins and finally get back into the game", then looked at the store, saw the cheapest option to get all 3 skins, even went to buy whatever the in-game currency is called, and just stared at the total: 75 CA$... that's almost what I paid for Overwatch 1. I closed the game and haven't reopen it since.

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i personally dont agree, like what flats said, if people are buying the skins why would they lower price? also, what you said about getting multiple games for the same price as one skin, what is someome doesnt want to buy another game bc they wont play it that much, might not like it etc when they could get a skin for a game they already enjoy? thats just my opinion, but your opinion is just as valid as well ❤️

Flats is on it🫡

I agree with the first part of being able to see the average rank in the comp game on stats screen but not the percentage part because thats gonna cause some major issues not only anxiety but in the server’s side too. Too many calculations to keep account of.

@@RaidenKunii Blizzard already announced they are changing rank view from 5 wins to percentage progression. I like percentage more because the lack of information gives me more stress

bruv, the rank system will be changed soon anyways

sometimes i have comp games where the screen in the beginning that shows match rank just.. dosent appear. idk why or how.

But but... activision blizzard is an indie company. They have no money at all. They can't make skins unless they charge you way too much!!!! Because servers, content or something (Obvious sarcasm). Like you said yourself, plenty of indie companies make more content, and charge less and are successful.

Weapon skins AND model for every current and future weapons

@Miigwech12 the point is that both are bad, even if cosmetics doesn’t effect gameplay, it is still a whole asset of the game that was once very accessible and now is locked behind a paywall

A problem that many don't take into consideration is the price in other countries. In my country, Brazil, the Diablo skins were priced at 98 reais each (the reinhardt one even more 127 i think), the minimum wage here being 1300~. The rein one its like 1/10 of that. Its not the same as spending 26 dollars out of 1.000 U$ for example

we can talk about how the live service model and pumping out microtransactions to keep your game afloat has ruined the gaming industry (especially when it comes to competitive pvp), but that's not what anyone here or on those tiktoks/tweets/forums are saying. they're complaining about overwatch, a game which is either at or BELOW industry standard pricing for their cosmetics. the point is that it's unfair to keep yapping about it when the root of the issue is much bigger than overwatch ever will be.

@Miigwech12 Man doesn't Understand what Metaphors are as a Means of comparison and wants to try Fallacies Lmfao lmfao

like, you're here complaining about people kicking puppies, without asking yourself "maybe we should focus on the guy FORCING them to kick puppies?"

Holy fuck somebody with a good take on the monetization system, finally.

Another thing, I've been playing semi-casually every season since launch, and by doing the weekly achievements I've only reached 1000 gold this season, or about half the required amount to get ONE legendary in the shop. Maybe I played a little more on average in OW1, the arcade lootboxes were a good incentive, but I'm pretty sure it usually didn't take much more than a month or so for me to just buy a legendary skin with credits, assuming I wasn't lucky and got it in a box.

Since Flats compared OW to Valorant. I'd like to add that Valorant skins applies to every champions while half of the time in Overwatch, we can't even play the character we bought skins for because of counters and team comps. Yet it sells almost as much as Val skins. The more hero OW release, the less valuable a skin gets in their game. The chances of we can't play a character increases as the list grow.

I need you in all the kitchens holy never stop cooking my friend

Even if this is a joke, I am kinda confused. The whole point of watching a "X person reacting to ..." is to hear X person. Other wise, you could just go watch the original thing.

back in my day people complained about the opposite...

I think he means Flats going on a 7 minute rant about cosmetics @@bus3957

Thank you, I agree with you 100%

If they at least added a better way to get a little amount of coins (more than 60 per week) without paying, this problem would be about 90% reduced. Something like 150 would be great already

I still think 10$ is a bit much imo, theyre a giant company that makes bank already, a lot of people DO NOT buy legendary skins BECAUSE theyre so expensive when they shouldn't have to be! If the skins were say 5$, I am willing to bet Blizzard could see a explosion in sales of people finally buying their skins since theyre at a reasonable price people would be more willing to spend on gucci gear in a video game.

@@iro9697 I picked 10 because realistically someone should only be buying skins for a character that they play, 10 being a compromise for them to still make good money, but having the price be cut in half for general skins and cut by over half for bundles.

​@@thewolfgirlexperthonestly I could be talked down to 10$ so long as skin quality doesnt fall off, problem is we kinda have been seeing that in places like the mythic skins

Proofread?

Exactly I've been making this point since the release. Overwatch skins are one of the least valuable skin in FPS game (to me) because of how overly saturated the hero rosters are. Half of the time we don't even get to play what we bought skins for.

Sometimes flats comes out with a *truly* brain dead take and I have to just take a step back to figure out the mental gymnastics required to come to that conclusion. Wild.

truely the most intelligent flats take of all time.

Tiktok brain rot

I think the "maturing" people need to do is accept the reality of the situation. Blizzard will charge $50 for those skins because they can. That's it. They're not gonna change that and it's dumb to keep harping on it because it's pointless. Though I think defending it is also stupid. You can accept it and not like it too.

@@DanielHodder7just because they can doesn’t make it right, also we do have a voice, look at bungie right now, the company might shut down because people are standing up to terrible management of destiny 2

while still having the worst opinion lmao

Correction he's only tired of it when it makes shilling for the company harder. I've noticed that when flats is in love with the game is shill the fuck out of it defends everything or things he can't defend makes super light of them. But when he's not loving the game, he'll laugh at all the criticisms, talk about the horrible pricing for minutes at a time and will be actually honest. Now that Blizzard pays his bills, he's gone full shill mode. Don't get me wrong I don't think flats is a bad person and I still enjoy his content but to say 50 dollars ain't much when you have a job when he gets paid by strangers online and by shilling for a cooperation is easily the most out of touch stupid shit he had ever said.

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1. New players are playing qp with other brand new players, "disadvantages" hardly matter as a brand new player is just learning what a few heroes can do as well as learning maps / game modes. 2. New players are not going to be counter swapping other new players because they don't understand the nuances between characters yet. By the time they do, they probably have every character unlocked anyways since you only have to play like 100 games total to unlock everyone. 3. They limit initial characters to make it easier for players to digest every hero in the game by slowly introducing them to each hero after a couple games. 4. It doesn't really hinder finding a character that meshes with you as it allows you to try a handful at a time at your own pace. Spend a few matches with them and then move to others if you wish. The only area where this may affect a new player is if they are grouped with a more experienced player, but even then, who cares if you lose in qp? Just focus on learning what you can from each match like what hero can do what and where health packs are. It's really not a big deal. 100 games goes by extremely fast anyways, and new players can't play comp immediately, so they aren't screwing over teammates either.

@@afterlifearcade8468 1. Like you said the issues arise when grouped with old player, which a decent majority will be as they'll get the game recommended to them by a friend whos played before, people can still be taught maps, game modes and heroes through other mean rather than just locking 80% of the playable cast, example being give them some kinda of quiz/challenge thats option that will help them find what playstyle theyd most likely enjoy the most 2. The point of new player not knowing what counter swapping makes no sense, like yea theyre new they wont know ANYTHING when they first start out, locking them out of learning a feature now and forcing them to learn it later is just silly? 3. Again, I understand what theyre going for, but its one of the dumbest ways to go about not wanting to overwhelm the player, things like hero mastery are what they should be looking at to teach new players how characters work, not force them to play heroes they dont wanna play to "learn" them 4. This point makes the least amount of sense to me. If a new player plays ur game and youve locked 80% of the cast behind progression and NONE of the starter heroes are fun for them to play they'll do 1 of 3 things either sit through games that are miserable or unenjoyable for them to unlock a character they may have seen someone play that they like the look of they'll do the same as what i just stated but without knowledge of the heroes, praying they come across something that interests them or they just outright stop playing, as they have no investment up to this point after wasting a few hours max in games they didnt have fun in i see what theyre trying to do, make the game not so daunting for new players is very valid and i think its a great thing, if done correctly, which it isnt here, i get qp isnt all about winning but if player are either teaming up with a old player and getting smoked, not being able to learn ANYTHING on characters they DONT LIKE or winning and learning on heroes they dont even like playing, with the only reason theyre still playing being copium that the next hero unlocked will "be the one" the majority of the new players arent mentally insane to sit through that, not to EVEN MENTION the amount of shit the new players will get for "not swapping/countering" and "throwing" till they get flamed out of wanting to play

Facts lol. My buddy was hardstuck gold on his like 5 year old account and as soon as he makes a new one his first placement is diamond 1🤣

no profit what so ever for the company lol

@@GoldenKirbyif there was not profit for the company, how did ow1 manage to survive for 6 years?

@@GoldenKirby Completely untrue. A lot of companies make it cheap and then more people buy it and it creates around the same amount. Not to mention the execs at Blizzard are grossly overpaid too. Maybe we should be talking about that more than shop prices.

@@basedbasil9261 It's other sources of income: ads, lootboxes people were crazy enough to to buy, the pro scene ect but then the game basically was on life support while the dev team stopped supporting it to work on ow2, remember?

League made a 200 dollar skin... which was a 20 dollar legendary skin with a red coat of paint... locked behind a gacha... that is temporary... and then even tho barely people bought it, they still said it was enough to make more and now were stuck with halfassed cosmetics... atleast we now get content unlike 2 years ago

The value of $50 goes a long way, 5 skins for Overwatch or a whole game that gives you hours of playtime. People nowadays have terrible spending habits

That's the thing, Blizzard (video games in general) would rather cater to this new generation of open wallet gamers who will happily pay for micro-transactions at every bated breathe then make an actual product that is engaging, well-thought out, and fun. Why do you think OW2 PvE was botched? Because of corporate greed.

@@basedbasil9261 fr.. bruh I paid 50 bucks or less for OW1 and now they ask that money for some kpop skin bundle... Actual shilling to gaslight people into thinking it's a great offer just because Apex sells cosmetics for 500 bucks catering exclusively to whales.... One is a turd, the other one is tuesday night after Taco Bell

literally flats ignored everything that ezra (the content creator) was saying and just looked at the scoreboard 😭

Blizzard literally advertises the game with those skins, they advertise events with those skins and a big feature of the game is the battle pass and that's all cosmetic. Can you really not believe why people would enjoy that? If OW had no cosmetics at all, do you think people would play it near as much?

It is an aspect of a game locked out by a paywall, even if it has no affect gameplay wise

They’re accounted for in different countries, but $20 in the U.S. is still outrageous

Essentially, demand is high but "supply" (high prices plus FOMO) make every legendary more "valuable" therefore they cost so much, it's just artificial scarcity. However nowadays there is apparently a big enough market of gamers who have enough time and money to spend in a game to regularly pay hundreds of dollars on cosmetics, so companies just pander to that market instead of the vast majority of their players. A more consumer-friendly business would charge much less per skin, or make grinding currency less tedious, greatly increasing the virtual supply of cosmetics, as well as the long-term success of the game, with more forgiving prices = more purchases and more clear progression than a maximum of 60 credits per week.

It is subjectively expensive, but to a majority of people(lower and middle class) it is expensive.

20$ for a video game skin is very outrageous and I am tired of pretending it isn't.

imagine paying more than the value of the game for one skin that goes on one character

​@@cloudyplacebo7456free game

@@cloudyplacebo7456 and that you only see one part of for 90% of the time

he makes fun of peoples takes a lot while having some of the worst takes himself

His point is that the games prices are basically just the same as other games. Yes their all expensive but shouldn't target only overwatch if you want a change

The skins are designed, animated, given new voice lines, and are given brand new in game interactions. A single skin could be potentially worked on by 2-3 dozen people. Each and every one of those people deserve a livable wage, right? So being compensated for their artistic abilities, their game creating knowledge, as well as their story telling abilities makes sense. Now, not only has that massive group of people created the skin but another department of people whom of which are extremely well versed in the economics of video games come up with a somewhat reasonable where they can account for the labor and cost of a skin but also still maintain a profit. It is literally the same concepts as to why a happy meal costs what it does and why the shoes you put on your feet cost as well.

@@doomorelse the money doesn't go to them lol

You’re an employee, you sell an item under your company’s name, your company makes money, you receive a paycheck from the company. You continue to work at said company. You create a long and healthy career at said company. You retire a successful person and live out your days stress free. Now think, for like maybe 2 seconds, how on earth does someone get compensated for their labor? They get paid, by the people they do their labor for. And how do the people who hire the laborers get money? They sell things. Who sells those things? The laborers. How, how is that a hard concept to understand stand? Blizzard makes ZERO money off of you pressing download on Overwatch. Cant pay the team off of strictly downloads. That’d be like, “Hey *employee* thanks for your hard work, we really appreciate you.” And that’s it, no money, no compensation, just a nice, “thanks man :)👍” Absolutely wild to me that a company NEEDING to make money not only for their employees but the betterment of themselves is a shocking concept.

I think the big thing is that it's basically the exact same as Control, just with a bunch of walking added in for no real benefitt.

To me it just feels like 2 cp bit with extra steps

Yeah I feel like Flats is now basing his standards on gacha games.

Too many people are willing to throw money at skins, at these prices

Aha, the fallacy fallacy. Prices and money is always relative to other stuff. It isn't a fallacy to compare the price of OW skins to skins in other games.

@@megaing1322 I think he is saying that it doesn't excuse it because other games do it.

@@megaing1322 Yeah I'm not saying it's a fallacy to make a comparison I'm saying it's a fallacy to use that comparison as an excuse.

i mean at least paladins is not getting activly worse as time goes on Clueless. nah but still if paladins was as polished as ow with the cards sistem and all the champions it would be 100 times better than ow tbh

I think the $50 for 7500 coins was a step in the right direction, if they did stuff like that more often. That, or they lower the price of coin bundles overall. I bought it and I'm gonna use the leftover coins to get Season 8 battle pass, but tbf I also got hit with the huge FOMO hammer.

Millions of us were OW1 completionists. Get every item, get every gold weapon. Now it's all pointless. Not spending 100,000 to get all the OW2 items