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Pagani Design PD-1639 vs Seiko SKX007 

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Whether you’re a new collector or a seasoned collector, we all have something in common, we love watches. However the type of watches we love vary from collector to collector. We all need to eat food to survive, but the type of food we eat represents our culture, economic status, but sometimes all that doesn’t matter we eat what we eat simply because we like it. Watches are not a necessity, although some of us certainly like to think so. In the watch world just because you own a certain type of watch doesn’t mean you’re a certain type of person or collector, or come from a certain culture. Sure you can definitely draw parallels and start seeing a connection between collectors. However when it comes to the money aspect that’s were the line gets blurry and you can’t make assumptions. Take Bill Gates for example one of the richest men in the world wearing a Casio Duro or on the polar opposite someone that’s clearly not financially set wearing a luxury piece. Today we are going to be comparing two dive watches that are sub $500, what’s so interesting about these watches are how they have divided the community. On one hand you have die hard Seiko fans and on the other you have die hard homage fans, I stand in the middle and honestly see the good in both of these pieces. I will be breaking down some of the good, bad and not so bad. The Seiko SkX007 is a watch that’s a classic in the watch community, not only because Seiko is a very respectable watch manufacturer, but the SKX is simply a timeless design with some respectable specs and at one point was considered by many a great value proposition. On the other hand we have the Pagani Design PD-1639 that even Pagani calls the submariner on their own website, for some this is the fake it till you make type of watch. They say that, because of its strong resemblance to Rolex of course. However you can’t deny that the specs that you get for the money are incredible.The Pagani Design has a lot of great attributes for a fraction of the cost. Some of those specs include an anti reflective sapphire crystal that includes a magnifier over the date that actually does its job by properly magnifying the date. It also features a ceramic dive style unidirectional 90 click bezel, I would have preferred 120 clicks, but the action on this is not bad. It also features a screw down crown with the company’s logo. Screwing the crown in and out is not a pleasant felling, there is a lot of friction that make the watch feel cheap, I hope Pagani does something about this. Of course this screw down crown helps the watch obtain that 100m of water resistance . It’s does feature a nice glossy black dial with applied lumed indices in the shape of circles, buttons and the triangle at the 12’o clock, the indices have nice polished edges. You also get that lollipop style seconds hand and the Mercedes style hour hand. Not to mention a nice display case back with the Seiko NH35 movement, that can be hacked and hand wound. The entire watch and bracket are constructed of 316L stainless steel with a mix of brushed and polished surfaces. The bracelet features solid links, solid end links, screws to size the bracelet, a milled clasp and on the fly adjustment on the buckle. In my opinion they could have spent the extra money making that clasp a little easier to open.The Seiko SKX007 features a hardlex crystal, black Matt dial with orange printed text letting you know it’s 200 meters water resistant, it also features large lume plot indices, a day date complication, a 120 click unidirectional rotating aluminum bezel and a screw down crown located at the 4’oclock. The crown is super easy to operate and it screws in and out very smoothly, this helps with the water resistance and helping this watch maintain the ISO certification. This watch does feature the non hacking non winding 7S26 movement. I have it on an after market uncle Seiko president style bracelet, the original jubilee bracelet is very comfortable, but it is super flimsy and the folded end links quickly lose their shape and start scratching the watch. This happens of course if you’re constantly changing straps. Upon closer inspection you can see that the edges of the Pagani hands are not smooth, but the printing on the dial is very clear, and the indices well executed. The SKX is flawless and looks super clean and detailed as compared to the Pagani.I have a 6 7/8 “wrist that’s 17.46 centimeters. The Pagani measures in at 42mm, 50mm lug to lug, 11.7mm thick, 20mm lugs and weighs in at 160 grams.The SKX measures in at 42.5mm, 46mm lug to lug, 13.25mm, 22mm lugs and weighs in at 135 grams with the jubilee bracelet.
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@SoCalWatchReviews
@SoCalWatchReviews 4 года назад
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@watchthisspace6555
@watchthisspace6555 4 года назад
I'll certainly help, I've just subbed. Good luck, hope you get to 1000!
@SoCalWatchReviews
@SoCalWatchReviews 4 года назад
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@MrPINKFL0YD
@MrPINKFL0YD 4 года назад
Subbed and 👍
@targaflorio3239
@targaflorio3239 Месяц назад
Own some high end stuff but the quality for the money of the Pagani still blows me away. Gets more wrist time than anything else. Seriously underrated and a great value prop.
@watchalot919
@watchalot919 4 года назад
A watch is a sum of it's parts, and no more. Sapphire v Hardles, Ceramic bezel v Stainless, NH35 v 7s26, a far better bracelet. the Seiko a better water resistance and a better lume. In the UK the Seiko will cost you 4 times as much
@GEMSofGOD_com
@GEMSofGOD_com Год назад
Tell this to watches made of gold (making up some 10% of the total cost)
@GEMSofGOD_com
@GEMSofGOD_com Год назад
Seiko was OK in vintage times. Now - not even Grand Seiko is fine, almost no tasteful designs,
@henriqueoliveiramonteiroda1134
@henriqueoliveiramonteiroda1134 4 года назад
I believe that this watch is the best affordable sub homage in the market. I live in a country with a very high dollar rate and of all those mentioned, the one that exceeded my expectations the most was Pagani, which has a Seiko NH35 movement (mine makes + -4 seconds a day) and great constructive quality under $70-$100. Thank you for your extremely honest review of all watches in your channel 💯👏⌚ Best regards from Brazil 🇧🇷🍻
@watchthisspace6555
@watchthisspace6555 4 года назад
"Whether you’re a new collector or a seasoned collector, we all have something in common, we love watches" Subbed as soon as I heard this! Great video.
@SoCalWatchReviews
@SoCalWatchReviews 4 года назад
Thank you!!
@RossWristWatchLove
@RossWristWatchLove 4 года назад
Great 👍🏿 video bro keep it coming!
@DFlemming
@DFlemming 4 года назад
Great video. Thanks!
@quality_times
@quality_times 4 года назад
love the production here - great video my friend!
@SoCalWatchReviews
@SoCalWatchReviews 4 года назад
🙏
@BCallum
@BCallum 3 года назад
Like your content, will likely hang around for awhile...LOL. I am a poor Canadian working slob, so my money would always go to the value and not uniqueness/original content. I have one PD watch (PD-1649), and one Seiko (SRPA21) My grail watch is the Seiko Save the Ocean SRPC91. (It is all about that dial). Most/all of my watches are cheap homage watches...I am a sucker for a watch with NH35/36 or an ETA with sapphire crystal with sapphire/ceramic bezel for under $250 Canadian...really cannot go wrong. Who cares if it looks like a Seiko/Tag/Rolex, AP...etc. Those will never be in my budget. My AddiesDive blue turtle homage brings a smile to my face everytime I wear it...Thanks for the video!!!
@SoCalWatchReviews
@SoCalWatchReviews 3 года назад
Thanks for the support my man! At the core, watch collecting is about what makes you happy, honestly screw what anyone else thinks! Take care my friend! Miguel
@EliteSim
@EliteSim 4 года назад
Very nicely done comparison mate, I personally don't mind homages as long as they're not too blatant in every aspect, the pagani has great spec and is great value but I'd still take the skx.
@MyAffordableWatchCollection
@MyAffordableWatchCollection 4 года назад
Great video Miguel! This is definitely a battle of specs vs. heritage. There's value in both, so it's hard to choose between the two!
@TimeToGoTravelAndTimepieces
@TimeToGoTravelAndTimepieces 4 года назад
Nice comparison. The SKX looks great on that bracelet. Thanks for the vid.
@SoCalWatchReviews
@SoCalWatchReviews 4 года назад
🙏
@captainturbo4164
@captainturbo4164 4 года назад
Another Great review. Nearing the magical 1000subscribers 👍
@watchwithme91
@watchwithme91 4 года назад
Wow, great review! Awesome introduction.
@SoCalWatchReviews
@SoCalWatchReviews 4 года назад
🙏
@Alexcann1
@Alexcann1 4 года назад
Nice balanced review fella. You have a new subscriber. Greeting from the UK.
@SoCalWatchReviews
@SoCalWatchReviews 4 года назад
Thank you 🙏
@mb-watches
@mb-watches 4 года назад
I love the skx but wished they would have come up with an worthy update. Talking 4r36, 200m and screw down crown. Still in comparison with the pD I would go all the way with the Seiko. Great Video brother, keep up the good work 🙏🏻😁👍🏻
@SoCalWatchReviews
@SoCalWatchReviews 4 года назад
Totally agree with you and thank you sir!
@timeintheuk
@timeintheuk 4 года назад
looks like im ordering another pagani ......great job no what colour to order lol.. keep at it for a well deserved 1k subs
@AliasEveWatches
@AliasEveWatches 4 года назад
The Pagani Design is certainly a good value proposition. Currently interested their other homage watches but I’ve purchased too many in 2020. 😅 Seiko is on another level though, so expect to pay higher. Between these two, i guess deciding factor would be my budget.
@SoCalWatchReviews
@SoCalWatchReviews 4 года назад
👍🏼
@somewhereintimewatchreviews
@somewhereintimewatchreviews 4 года назад
Interesting head to head! Not one that I would have expected, while the skx certainly has its flaws & shortcomings it's just so iconic a proper tool watch. As for the pagani a full on spec monster for the $ but I do feel (wish) that pagani could make a really great watch if they just worked on their QC & maybe put something out that's Not a straight up homage. Good video man! 👍
@SoCalWatchReviews
@SoCalWatchReviews 4 года назад
🙏
@halfpastblog
@halfpastblog 4 года назад
Nice comparison! The pagani may win in some specs but I will give originality and cool factor to the SKX. 👍
@JonathanNelson-nelsonj3
@JonathanNelson-nelsonj3 Год назад
My story about lume: I took my 2 year old son on a cave tour in our area. At one point they shut off the lights so we could see how dark it really was down there. My son, who is usually pretty cool and collected for a 2 year old, began panicking. He already loves watches and clocks so i called his attention to my Pagani that was glowing. He was distracted long enough to make it to the end of the demo. You never know how lume will come in handy.
@SoCalWatchReviews
@SoCalWatchReviews Год назад
Such a cool story 👍🏼 thank you for sharing!
@MayKoAlemania
@MayKoAlemania 4 года назад
beautiful watch !!! 😉👍🏻 and good video brother. ⌚️
@SoCalWatchReviews
@SoCalWatchReviews 4 года назад
Gracias!!!
@jamesg4670
@jamesg4670 4 года назад
Also should have mentioned that i like my pagani bracelet than my uncle seiko president...its more comfortable..has a substantial taper....and full solid links...the uncle seiko bracelet alone cost almost as much an the whole pagani watch...that being said if your budget is super tight or you want a fun disposable beater you cant go wrong with the pd
@75thteaster54
@75thteaster54 4 года назад
Great video bro !!
@SoCalWatchReviews
@SoCalWatchReviews 4 года назад
Thank you 🙏!!
@loanguyblue
@loanguyblue 3 года назад
New to the channel. I love the intro.
@SoCalWatchReviews
@SoCalWatchReviews 3 года назад
Thank you and welcome!
@ocb05
@ocb05 4 года назад
SKX now cost $300-350, whilen PD1639 cost literrally $100-120. No brainer there.
@AvgJoeWatchReviews
@AvgJoeWatchReviews 4 года назад
Nice review. Pagani has good value but wished they were more original. They have the best materials for the price but I’m not a buyer simply because of ‘copying aspect’. The Seiko wins for me.
@SoCalWatchReviews
@SoCalWatchReviews 4 года назад
👍🏼
@ShortcutReviews
@ShortcutReviews 4 года назад
Agreed
@jamesg4670
@jamesg4670 4 года назад
Got rid of a few of my sub 100 ali express watches..i kept my hulk pagani tho for flavor....the skx just looks and feel so much better on wrist....specs aside skx would win for me if i had to pick one
@johndesmond1987
@johndesmond1987 4 года назад
The SKX is a fine piece of work, but with some obvious shortcomings. I did a few very easy and cheap mods to correct these: a ceramic bezel insert, a domed sapphire crystal, and an NH-36 movement to replace the reliable but primitive 7S26. The first two cost $30 each, and the movement $35, and make all the difference in the world. I ended up with an SKX007 the way it should have been in the first place. I would advise anyone who thinks his SKX is ALMOST perfect to look into making these mods. There are loads of videos on RU-vid explaining how.
@SoCalWatchReviews
@SoCalWatchReviews 4 года назад
You hit the nail right on the head! And congrats on that awesome built!
@DavidSchwartzjr
@DavidSchwartzjr 4 года назад
Awesome comparison watch video, Miguel! I think I would pick the Seiko out of the two because I really like the look of it and that lume is just awesome in comparison. But that might also be because I already have a submariner homage lol.
@petervernelen6784
@petervernelen6784 Год назад
Thx for the video, has the pagani design pd-1639 a 42mm or 43mm case size ?
@SoCalWatchReviews
@SoCalWatchReviews Год назад
Thank you for watching and I believe 42mm.
@bobar84c
@bobar84c Год назад
43
@stusims6567
@stusims6567 4 года назад
Great review, and you bring up some valid points. However the SKX has been discontinued, and what does Seiko do? They bring out their own “homage” in the 5KX. To me the quality of the watch is the number one criteria. By this measure the Pagani Design has the advantage. You did point out the hands being poorly cut, and that is unforgivable. It makes you wonder what else is sloppy about the watch!
@SoCalWatchReviews
@SoCalWatchReviews 4 года назад
Thanks for watching and I’m so disappointed by those Seiko 5 models 😞!!
@stusims6567
@stusims6567 4 года назад
SoCal Watch Reviews I agree. Those 5KX models are just a 5 series watch homage to the SKX models that carried the Seiko dive watch series for years. Have you looked at the Islanders from Long Island watches? I’d love to see a good unbiased review of those!
@SoCalWatchReviews
@SoCalWatchReviews 4 года назад
I’ve seen them, but I wouldn’t buy one. Love all the specs, but if I’m going to pay that $ I rather get into a vintage watch of a company that has some heritage. I just picked up my vintage Girard Perragaux and paid less than $200 for it! However from what I’ve seen, Mark did a fantastic job with those!
@bjdenil
@bjdenil 4 года назад
In general I like Pagani Design. Heck I am wearing one as I type this. It is a real speck powerhouse but there is really no comparison between Pagani and Seiko.
@MrPINKFL0YD
@MrPINKFL0YD 4 года назад
You can now get Chinese copies of the SKX and for 60 pounds, you can mod them with the SKX stuff and is the way to go if you want a case
@SoCalWatchReviews
@SoCalWatchReviews 4 года назад
Very true, easy way to get an inexpensive “SKX”!
@jeffreyalbarandorivera8595
@jeffreyalbarandorivera8595 3 года назад
If that pagani uses a wire like rotating click spring then it's annoying when you click the bezel.
@SoCalWatchReviews
@SoCalWatchReviews 3 года назад
Yup
@deanboca12
@deanboca12 4 года назад
Are you certain the PD 1639 has an anti-reflective coating?
@SoCalWatchReviews
@SoCalWatchReviews 4 года назад
Mark F That’s What the company claims, and also when out in the sun the reflection is not as harsh as on the SKX!
@neilpiper9889
@neilpiper9889 4 года назад
Seiko puts the lollipop on the wrong end of the seconds hand, and Hardlex easily scratched crystals
@AM-zk7pj
@AM-zk7pj 2 года назад
I love the seiko design.. better than rolex design
@SoCalWatchReviews
@SoCalWatchReviews 2 года назад
❤️
@jaromor8808
@jaromor8808 2 года назад
I have had the "submariner/hulk" PD for almost two years, Seiko Alpinist for one year longer. By now the lume on the PD is pretty much non-existant, and no way you can "charge" it under a desk lamp for example. Still, I consider the PD an extremely great value for the money, also the Alpinist is just way too small.
@SoCalWatchReviews
@SoCalWatchReviews 2 года назад
Thanks for the support and thank you 🙏 for the update!
@darood77
@darood77 4 года назад
I'm not wearing that Rolex impostor. SKX for me!
@AvroBellow
@AvroBellow 2 года назад
This may sound absurd but that Seiko is completely out of its league. The Pagani PD-1639 has a ceramic bezel while the Seiko SKX007 has an aluminum bezel. The PD has a sapphire crystal while the SKX has hardlex. The PD also has a much nicer bracelet (although I agree that the clasp is a major pain in the posterior). The crown is also in a better place on the Pagani than the Seiko (IMO). The only advantages that I see with the SKX are that it has fantastic lume and is more functional as a real dive watch. Seiko also can't claim a superior movement either because the PD-1639 comes with either the Seiko NH35A or the Miyota 8215. Both are Japanese workhorse movements that will give well over a decade of accurate and worry-free operation. The SKX is no slouch here (of course) but is also not superior either. If they were priced the same, I would still chose the Pagani. The fact that it's significantly cheaper only makes it a no-brainer for me
@SoCalWatchReviews
@SoCalWatchReviews 2 года назад
Thanks for watching and commenting!
@WizardWatch
@WizardWatch 4 года назад
Pagani must to upgrade their loume
@alejandro-vr1gz
@alejandro-vr1gz 4 года назад
haces vídeos en español?
@SoCalWatchReviews
@SoCalWatchReviews 4 года назад
Claro hermano, en mi otro canal; ru-vid.com/show-UCA72WWAAHIPKjNAcjvPfJXA
@pipasburner946
@pipasburner946 4 года назад
I wish this chinese brands start making their own designs o at least, like parnis, mix their homage designs. Thats the only "flaw" of these watches
@SoCalWatchReviews
@SoCalWatchReviews 4 года назад
I get it, but for $80, you get a lot of specs.
@pipasburner946
@pipasburner946 4 года назад
@@SoCalWatchReviews yes, best bang for buck!
@sobeit712
@sobeit712 4 года назад
SKX price has been inflated to a disgusting level, to the point that the watch itself starts to become a turn off for me. I've seen greedy sellers on second hand market mark up the price so high that they have a hard time selling the watch. That's why I would never buy a SKX because this watch has been tainted with greed. Also, Seiko as a brand is losing my respect. Pretty soon, they will replace all their original Seiko 5 line with more pricey fashion oriented watches.
@SoCalWatchReviews
@SoCalWatchReviews 4 года назад
I completely agree with you about this watch going up in value to the point that is no longer a value prop. I really hope Seiko realizes that their market appeal was the fact that they were making great watches at a very affordable price. However with them moving up market, yet not increasing the level of craftsmanship nor quality of their materials, it just doesn’t make sense anymore. That’s why microbrands are starting to dominate the entry level space. Thank you for watching and commenting!
@sobeit712
@sobeit712 4 года назад
@@SoCalWatchReviews Thank you for replying. Wish you all the success in your channel. Us watch lovers are a dying breed, with our effort, hopefully mechanical watches can stay alive and stay relevant. I know the stigma when it comes to homage and copies, but there's a value in them that they do help new comers to join the club by making affordable alternatives. Otherwise, the cost of watches will be too prohibitive for anyone who would like to try it out without selling blood or kidney or risking a divorce!
@SoCalWatchReviews
@SoCalWatchReviews 4 года назад
Paul Paul thank you 🙏
@tipico809
@tipico809 3 года назад
Seiko lumens always wins on any watch
@SoCalWatchReviews
@SoCalWatchReviews 3 года назад
Agree 👍🏼
@MarkoMarkovina
@MarkoMarkovina 2 года назад
I just got my Pagani pd 1694 that has NH35... bezel action is great, for example on my seiko monster it is crap cause it has lots of backplay, lume on that new Pagani is 90% of my skx 007 almost ass god on dial but Pagani has lume on the bezel so it gets even better. Hardlex is crap... just pure crap... I got 5 Seikos and 2 of Citizens with Hardlexs ena every single one i scratched... the same goes for aluminium bezel insert... I never in a milion years could imagine I will say this but that damn Pagani just blows all of my Seikos out of the picture. ONly my Citizen aqualand feels kindof more solid and robust but than again it has a small scratch on the hardlex that just showed up after 2 days of wear its a huge watch and I just cant understand why they dont use saphyre... thats all... I dont know about pd 1639 but this lates version of pd 1694 is the cheapest and the best watch in my colection...
@SoCalWatchReviews
@SoCalWatchReviews 2 года назад
Congrats on the new watch 👏
@nikudid8004
@nikudid8004 2 года назад
Rolex submariner 99%
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