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Pairing speakers with a Vintage 30.... H and Alnico creambacks 

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Celestion Alnico Cream of H Creamback, mixed with a Vintage 30, which would you choose? When a customer asked us this very question we thought we would film and record the results so you can hear.
Mixing speakers can achieve some surprising results. Often it is a good way to add a slightly different slant on the sound and offer more options in the studio, and often it is used to add admirable qualities from two different speakers.
Here we used the customers Vertical angled Super Fatboy and played it in the open back configuration.
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Gear list:
Paul Reed Smith Mira S2
Fender Eric Johnson Stratocaster
Mesa/Boogie Stiletto Deuce
Strymon Riverside
Strymon Flint
Boss DD8
BK Butler Tube Driver
Shure SM57

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@codymcgrew4015
@codymcgrew4015 3 года назад
1:50 Alnico Distortion w/ Humbuckers 3:27 Alnico Clean Strat 4:31 H Cream Distortion w/ Humbuckers 5:53 H Cream Clean Strat
@jakesdaddy08
@jakesdaddy08 4 года назад
Another superb video. You guys are absolutely smashing it out of the park at the moment in terms of being a great reference source for these sorts of questions. Thank you!
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 4 года назад
That's awesome, thanks for that, very kind of you!
@recklesstoboggan
@recklesstoboggan 4 года назад
Totally agree! These guys are awesome. I've learned so much from them.
@alanst.4417
@alanst.4417 4 года назад
I second that.
@nicholastotoro7721
@nicholastotoro7721 3 года назад
Wow... the mix with the Alnico Cream *really* smooths out the sizzle of the V30.
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 3 года назад
I love the alnico cream, there hasn;t been as much love for it on here as what I had expected but I really like that speaker too. Thanks for watching.
@JimmyRadloff
@JimmyRadloff 3 года назад
There is just a depth and warmth that the Alnico speaker brings that gives it another dimension on the sound spectrum. I love that speaker and it sounds sick with the V30 too.
@jochengnu4214
@jochengnu4214 4 года назад
Sounds great. I love the strat whit the overdrive!
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 4 года назад
Yeah Joe's strat is awesome
@Grime251
@Grime251 4 года назад
I just recently put in an order for a Vertical super Fatboy with the V30 x H speaker combo and after hearing this I am so glad I did!
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 4 года назад
Hi Dylan, I can hear your cab being sanded right now ;)
@jmasson3272
@jmasson3272 4 года назад
Zilla cabs fucking rules !!
@edrowley1
@edrowley1 4 года назад
Man, I'm being ruined by the Alnico Creams! They keep the distorted sound articulate (you can still hear the defined notes, no muddiness). I'd like to hear the H Cream on the bottom with the alnico on the top... expensive, yes, delightful? my money would be on that combo. Thanks Gentlemen! Enjoy all your work. (I'm saving up).
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 4 года назад
It is a great speaker isn't it. Funny enough the customer ended up going for that combination, H cream on the bottom and alnico cream on the top, it sounded great. Thanks for watching.
@obestertomas
@obestertomas 4 года назад
Great video guys ! I have tried in my Friedman 412 cab these combinations : creamback m65 with creambackh75 in X pattern, creamback75 with redback150 in X pattern and now I have 2 alnico creams on top, 2 redbacks on a bottom and it is by far the best combination for our music (fat, drop C, heavy-nu metal). I like those alnico creams so much, that I want a quad of them in my cab ! the best ever, cause they handle everything (clean, crunch, heavy overdrive equally well) 🤟
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 4 года назад
Oh yeah it sounds like you had some fun there! I love the M/H creamback mix but I can definitely say the alnico ream with redback is killer... plus very few people do that mix so you can get some quite unique sounds. Thanks for the contribution there.
@davidgerlach1132
@davidgerlach1132 19 дней назад
M/H splitting hairs unless you're solo recording in a strict controlled environment. Live, it's a wash.
@kuzWich
@kuzWich 4 года назад
Both great 👍 H Creamback is def my piece of cake. That filthy presence this pair delivered definitely missing with the Cream Alnico which is full of warmth and smoothness though. Really it’s up to the customer and his preferences))
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 4 года назад
Thanks. I think you got it spot on there. Always nice when the cheaper option is your favourite ;) could get a decent pedal with the dosh you save there.
@davidgerlach1132
@davidgerlach1132 19 дней назад
WOW! V&H all the way...through my headphones it's very contrasting,
@NINEWALKING
@NINEWALKING Год назад
I am back to re watching your videos. They are always good reference when you do not have the speaker in the room. Regarding to this one I personally think that slanted cabs starting from the Marshall 1960A have their own sound. This cabinet has that as well. And that characteristic thing to my ears is that, next to a obviously different sound projection, those cabs have pronounced middle and middle top end. One could say even that internal reflections or the phase difference between speakers is not complementing the low end and lack of that in phase low end coupling brings out more middle and middle top end. I am noticing this, though in less pronounced fashion, even in the slanted baffle cabs that do not have back parallel to the baffle board. They keep bit more low end but pronounce middle part. Projection it self can be very helpful but depends on the stage and the venue a lot. Regarding to speakers them self, both are always on the top of my list. Here though Alnico Cream retains bit more of it’s character and sounds better to me. Doesn’t sound at its best to be honest but doesn’t sound bad either. I was always 1960B person 😊 I own one from the 1971 but with replacement speakers 😢. Still sounds awesome. Seem like with B type I get more consistent results while A type is extremely good in very rare occasions and just average sounding in the most of the situations.
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs Год назад
There's also the bracing of the baffle that needs attention on vertical angled cabs, if that's not right they can cause some issues. Thanks for watching and the comment.
@NINEWALKING
@NINEWALKING Год назад
@ZillaCabs thx for making great videos and great products.
@alanst.4417
@alanst.4417 4 года назад
Both are definitely great combinations, with the H creamback it seems more in your face, ballsy, more suited for hard rock or heavier stuff to me. But no matter how I love the H creamback, overall I prefer it with the alnico cream for its added top end sweetness, which makes the sound more complex IMO. Btw great vid, Joe, you guys really address all the important speaker questions.
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 4 года назад
Thanks mate that's great, I'm glad you like it. I think you got everything spot on there, the Alncio cream is just really sweet. Thanks as always Alan.
@alanst.4417
@alanst.4417 4 года назад
Zilla Cabs thanks for your kind words, mate. Your channel more than deserves to be praised. One can feel you really put your soul into what you're doing.
@carlislehartman7695
@carlislehartman7695 4 года назад
Would love to see a demo of the Alncio Cream and M Creamback cab. Great stuff as always.
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 4 года назад
It shouldn't be long before we get to do that. Stay tuned.
@youscreamiscream
@youscreamiscream Год назад
M creamback isn't great, weird mids. Didn't play well with other speakers...sounded like a blanket over my cabs
@waynehicks1969
@waynehicks1969 4 года назад
If you want hard rock/metal sounds then it’s the H75. If cleanness, articulation and richness are important then it’s the alnico. They are very different speakers. I actually have a combination of the two and I love it.
@waynehicks1969
@waynehicks1969 4 года назад
I have one in a combo and 1 in a 1 x12 fat boy.
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 4 года назад
Excellent, the customer in the end went for one of each. Originally he was going to mix one with a V30... so many choices and they all sounded great.
@dubster82
@dubster82 2 года назад
That alnico with the V30 sounds magic. I'd prefer when you do these comparisons that you'd go from say strat clean on one straight to the other speaker setup and the same for every guitar and amp setup. Hearing one ruff, then others etc, I've forgotten how they sound 4mins later when we swap onto the other speakers.
@sleepwait9613
@sleepwait9613 4 года назад
1:48 V30 AND ALNICO CREAM - PRS S2 2:38 V30 AND ALNICO CREAM - STRAT 4:30 V30 AND H CREAMBACK - PRS S2 5:20 V30 AND H CREAMBACK - STRAT 7:04 - THOUGHTS ANYWAY...thanks for this video, i hope you'll do some more about "pairing". I think both combinations sounded fantastic, and really close as well...therefore i'd go for the creamback simply because of the lower cost.
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 4 года назад
Thanks, I completely forgot to put those in.
@padgreen
@padgreen 4 года назад
As you say both sounded really good, but with that Strat the Alnico edged it for me, the sound just had an extra dimension to it.
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 4 года назад
Yeah I say this a lot but that Strat is an awesome guitar and works so well with the alnico cream. Thanks as always for watching Patrick.
@runnningonempty
@runnningonempty 4 года назад
Alnico for sure...My speakers are a v30 and a m65 cream back in separate sealed oversized cabs.Used in conjunction with a EHV el84 head or sometimes my Fender Hot Rod Deluxe with a G12p80 that I am glad I ending up keeping in that combo amp.
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 4 года назад
That sounds like a really interesting setup! The V30, M creamback mix is great too
@TheBedroomRocker1
@TheBedroomRocker1 4 года назад
I love the Alnico Cream, but I think in this one the G12-H75 Creamback did slightly better... I think the warmer sound and extra bass complements the V30 quite well. No wonder it is one of the most popular speaker pairings
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 4 года назад
That's the thing about these two speakers, there's no wrong answer... I love them both. The H creamback with a V30 is a killer combination, there isn't much you can't do with them.
@rockzilla5150
@rockzilla5150 9 месяцев назад
Alnico Cream is super sweet.
@marklanigan-okeeffe2451
@marklanigan-okeeffe2451 4 года назад
That alnico speaker sounds great. I think I need one. Yes, yes I do.
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 4 года назад
haha yeah they are great, not cheap but still great.
@PereRevert
@PereRevert 3 года назад
@@ZillaCabs ha ha not cheap ? could you please give us an idea of the price tag for that specific cabinet ?
@timbennett6644
@timbennett6644 4 года назад
What a sound from all combinations. If i had to choose, H Creamback + V30, especially with that totally sweet strat. The overdriven clean sounds are glorious. The Mira Humbucker has that early DC Vibe. That said, there is not much in it.
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 4 года назад
Thanks Tim, there are some really sweet sounds with both of them I think. I love the H cream/V30 mix, I think I like the warmth that the alnico brings but there is a really nice cut that the H creamback has... a bit more aggressive but in a good way.
@givemeajackson
@givemeajackson 4 года назад
tough, tough choice. the alnico is beautifully smooth, and it sounds like there's nothing in the sound that shouldn't be there. the H has a slightly harsh grit in the high end, but on the flipside it has a spanky airyness that sounds incredible with the PRS. fantastic sounding cab. i just got an 8 string to complete my guitar collection, and i just got my engl blackmore back from service and realized that no other amp i own will ever sound this good. from now on i'm only buying cabs
@paulcowart3174
@paulcowart3174 4 года назад
The first Creamback sounded much better to my ears
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 4 года назад
Hi Paul. It's a bit smoother... but the downside is you picked the more expensive of the two ;)
@PereRevert
@PereRevert 3 года назад
@@ZillaCabs any chances to get an orientative cost for that specific cabinet ? Love it !!
@JaimeNoro
@JaimeNoro 4 года назад
Yeah, the H75 + V30 is quickly becoming a very popular pairing among a variety of guitar players from all genres. I remember seeing that dude from Periphery swearing by them as he chose this pairing to equip his Invective cabs. As far as heavy tones are concerned, he knows his shit.
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 4 года назад
Yeah it's great combination. All the guys in Periphery have had that pairing from us.... between you, me and youtube, I got Nolly to try that combination in that studio back in 2014 then made a cab later that year for Misha and he said, I'll go with what Nolly has... to be fair that is usually a safe bet.
@Starch1b2c3d4a
@Starch1b2c3d4a 4 года назад
Yes. More strat overdrive sounds plz 🤘🎶
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 4 года назад
Yeah that Strat is really nice isn't it.
@riosax1536
@riosax1536 2 года назад
Yeh, I’ve got the M65 in a 1 x12 cab and Alnico cream in my other 1 x12 both 8 ohm mini stack mesa boogie lonestar special head ,,great tones
@electropentatonic
@electropentatonic 3 года назад
5:30 That's delicious. I have 2 v30's in a horizontal 2x12. I think I really may need to swap one for a creamback
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 3 года назад
The H creamback does bring a lot to the table with a V30.
@alaincousineau9321
@alaincousineau9321 3 года назад
the combination of V30 (Mesa spec) + Alnico Cream is the best one for me yet. But the Creamback H sound good too (not as balance and rich).
@jaymzguitarrez4160
@jaymzguitarrez4160 3 года назад
hey! great video. full disclosure, i am not a big fan of v30 v30 or v30 G12H pairings (i have both) without the right gear / specific genre(s). Always on look out for better V30 pairings. There are some good ones. These cream pairings are awesome! Issue is without watching able to predict Alnico would sound better in an open cabinet. Have you done same pairings in a closed cab? At least the Creamback? (For you purists who would never put alnico in a closed cab, just hit the mute switch for a moment.)
@ianfly
@ianfly 4 года назад
hi joe I had fatboy 2x12 cab with 2 kemper kones and couldn't get them out fast enough installed celestion vintage 30 and H creamback and cab now worlds apart.
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 4 года назад
Hi Ian, Paul Here..... glad it worked out in the end. Some people like the frfr speakers but I do think often losing a bit of versatility from the speaker/cab IR's is worth it for a more musical sound.
@recklesstoboggan
@recklesstoboggan 4 года назад
V30 and Alnico Cream wins by a mile to my ears. More complex and dynamic cleans, as well more complex and dynamics for both overdrive and distortion, and still has all the balls. Not even close in my book...and that really surprises me because I've absolutely loved the H Cream pretty much every time I've heard it.
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 4 года назад
The two speaker changes here were mic'd in the top of the cab which tends to be a bit more aggressive, so it may be that having the H cream in the top was a bit too much. With the alnico cream being generally a smoother sounding speaker (to my ears) maybe that helped with what you are looking for. One other thing is, the only mic pair we have is the SM57 and I tend to find that a bit less smooth for guitar speakers, maybe you are like me and preffer a smoother speaker with that mic.
@mofomartianp
@mofomartianp 11 месяцев назад
2:32 & 5:14 for comparison. 1:59 & 4:40
@Gnomesaw
@Gnomesaw 4 года назад
Yep the Alnico ❤️
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 4 года назад
It is a classy speaker
@otaviosmartins1
@otaviosmartins1 3 года назад
I LOVE your videos!
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 3 года назад
Thanks, that's really kind of you.
@otaviosmartins1
@otaviosmartins1 3 года назад
@@ZillaCabs ❤️
@hungry4des
@hungry4des 4 года назад
Both sound great but the H cream was more rudely in your face, as well as slightly more present and open. The Alnico had a cleaner or warmer clean that was nice too, but of it were me, H cream.
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 4 года назад
Thanks for the input, I know what you mean there. I quite like the warmth from the Alnco. In the end the custom went for a H/Alnico cream mix and I think that worked really well. Thanks for watching.
@bobs2809
@bobs2809 4 года назад
Alnico for the win!
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 4 года назад
It was really nice and smooth in this setup.
@jonathanpentreath6039
@jonathanpentreath6039 4 года назад
Is that gain at 3:40 coming from the Tube Driver into the cleanish Mesa, or is the Mesa doing some of that heavy lifting? It sounds amazing.
@ratonlucho
@ratonlucho Год назад
I have a question, can you pair a 75 Watt speaker with a 25 Watt one? And you could run a 100w amp?
@alancruz9523
@alancruz9523 Год назад
I have an Alnico Blue, what would you pair it with? Please help
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs Год назад
I love the blue with a greenback, there is a slight drop in sensitivty rating but I love that mix, its one of my favourites. I think we have a blue vs 21 speaker video, give that a shot, you might hear something you like.
@johnmundt7834
@johnmundt7834 4 года назад
I just ordered a V30 and a Creamback after watching this. It’ll be my first time mixing speakers in a cab. Is there a consensus on where to place the speakers in the cab? Tighter on bottom, etc?
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 4 года назад
That's great John. Is your cab horizontal or vertical? How are you getting on with them?
@johnmundt7834
@johnmundt7834 4 года назад
Zilla Cabs it’s horizontal, but they are on a bit of a diagonal because it’s a smaller cab. I ended up putting the V30 on the lower left and the Creamback on the upper right. It’s a great blend, think they compliment each other well and cover a big range of frequencies
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 4 года назад
@@johnmundt7834 OK great, cabs with diagonal speakers can be really cool, they can often have something quite unique about them. Try switching them round and see which one you prefer... as one is closer to your ear you can get a slightly different balance that way. There's no rights or wrongs to that stuff, just a load of fun experimenting.
@fredeichenauer4568
@fredeichenauer4568 4 года назад
Not even a question. Alnico all day.
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 4 года назад
A man with expensive tastes :) I love the alnico cream too, it is a lovely speaker and really versatile too, it's just a shame they cost a lot.
@richhansen8874
@richhansen8874 3 года назад
I liked the v30 and h combo. I have a 2x12mesa vertical and thinking of swapping in a cb H. What do you think the tone difference would be if you switched the two top to bottom with the v30 in the angled position? Thanks
@heut4384
@heut4384 3 года назад
A few weeks ago, I put my two V30s on the top and my 75s on bottom. The V30s are prominent. I didn't really hear the 75s. No bass. Then when I switched the 75s on the top and the V30s on the bottom, it sounded very nice; very presence; high/clear. The 75s became the prominent sound, and I now hear a lot more bass and warming sound from the V30. Since I changed, I've been loving it.
@JoaoMarcelo_1
@JoaoMarcelo_1 4 года назад
H and V30
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 4 года назад
Thanks for watching
@rocker8692
@rocker8692 3 года назад
Juicy tones bra
@alastairtilley3585
@alastairtilley3585 4 года назад
one large Alnico with cream please.
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 4 года назад
haha yeah. Actually in the end the customer went with the alnico and a H creamback
@christopher-miles
@christopher-miles Год назад
does anyone know the ohms?
@masterofthetelecaster
@masterofthetelecaster 3 года назад
What is the resistance of them 8 ohms or 16 ohms ?
@studiosdelcontemixmasterin4443
@studiosdelcontemixmasterin4443 4 года назад
Which is creamback ? Alnico Cream or Creamback g12h ?
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 4 года назад
We had a V30 mixed in with the alnico cream and then a V30 and H creamback.
@jacobbockover1628
@jacobbockover1628 Год назад
Well i am not that into the vintage 30. I have done a bit of pairing American and British voiced speakers and have heard some good say creamback jbl combos in a 4 12
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs Год назад
jbl's can sound great, they've made some really cool speakers..
@tete1805
@tete1805 4 года назад
Aaaaaawesoooomme!!!
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 4 года назад
Thanks for that, glad you liked it.
@jaychen2000metal
@jaychen2000metal 4 года назад
Which one has less 400hz between the V30 and Creamback H?
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 4 года назад
Hi. I would say they are somewhere a bit similar. A lot of guitar speakers dip a bit around 400Hz out of experience but the alnico cream seems a bit smoother. That said, these speakers were mic'd at the top of the cab which I find pronounces this area a bit, or at least feels a bit more spikey/aggressive. I hope this helps.
@jaychen2000metal
@jaychen2000metal 4 года назад
@@ZillaCabs Was only asking because my eminence have way too much but i remied it a bit with Reapers. I may get 2 more but maybe something else for an X pattern
@ZillaCabs
@ZillaCabs 4 года назад
@@jaychen2000metal well the cream alnicos are really smooth, but just a bit pricey.
@jaychen2000metal
@jaychen2000metal 4 года назад
@@ZillaCabs I would choose them or CB-H for Celestion but the price. Gonna be Retro 30 or Cb-H with these Reaper 30's i think
@MrEddie-gf3yg
@MrEddie-gf3yg 2 года назад
Damn, the distortion screams "In Your Face!"!
@dontfeartheriffer
@dontfeartheriffer 3 года назад
4:31 1:50
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