@@puregameplay7916 That is correct, but the law aside, many consider it unethical if the age gap is so large. It would at the very least be considered very weird and creepy, especially from a pastor. I would also make the argument that he was an authority figure to the girl, which would make it illegal.
@@puregameplay7916 we found him guys....we found the pedo, regardless of whether or not she was of legal age she was not consenting...plus 16 is literally still a child, even if it is legal, trying to defend that shit is kinda telling
this man should be in jail. imagine being the victim and telling your story and there goes the whole crowd hugging your fucking abuser that's a fucking slap on the face.
i just scrolled down to say that! i choose to believe she weaponized the concept outlined in a screenshot i saw once: the best way to get accurate information is to say something incorrect and wait for people to correct you
@@DoflamingoDonxiquote 14 to 18 is a gap 14 and 16 is not 16 and 20 is gap stop trying to mitigate being a pedo bro by your profile pic you look like someone attracted to highschoolers
When the leader falls, it affects all the followers. Leaders are meant to follow a high standard to set an example to the followers on how to live. Thus, when he failed that high standard, it does affect everyone else.
It's even worse in some countries here in Africa. The false pastor uses the ToUch nOT My anOiNtED oNe, Do mY pRopHeTS nO HarM bible verse to intimidate anyone that tries to question them. It sucks. There's the honor that, biblically speaking, pastors should be given. But then there's this. Complete manipulation
@@super_seaton9016 You've done your research, I wonder why.. It doesn't make it right that Indiania lawmakers are a bunch of Pedophiles so they made it so a 40yr old man can rape a 16yr old girl Can't do porn or drink a beer but you can apparently can have "sex" with a pastor more than twice your age, someone abusing their position of power
@@kyoudaim603 23 So if you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother has something against you, 24 leave your gift there before the altar and go. First be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift. (this is also in mathew I believe)
You're missing the huge part.... he didn't go there to confess.... SHE WENT THERE TO EXPOSE HIM, and he must of seen her in the crowd so he decided to reveal his interpretation of what happened before she could out him. if she didnt have the courage to go, this would have never happened. Brave girl.
Oh my God. You’re fucking right. His tone of voice was not repentant, it was declaratory. It was like saying what he ate from breakfast. He didn’t care. You’re so fucking right. Underrated comment. He kept defending himself and correcting the people in the audience. If he really was sorry he wouldn’t have been able to stand on that stage or look the members of the crowd in the eyes. He probably would have resigned weeks prior if he actually had been convicted of his crime. But no. He didn’t care. He was anxious he’d be ratted out like you said. This makes me so sick to my stomach, having grown up in church this kind of thing could have happened and I wouldn’t have known what to have done as a kid. This makes me so sick how twisted they use the scripture. It makes me sick to my stomach to see how they disregard justice just to save face and appear godly. Using “forgiveness” as a means to sweep it under the rug and dismiss the whole thing of responsibly for his crimes. 100% fucking pure evil. God has a special place in hell for this guy. That’s biblically endorsed too. Just read Matthew 23. Jesus literally would be disgusted and condemn these kinds of people. Half of Jesus’ ministry was **against** the so called “Pastors” of his day and age, the Pharisees and Sadducees. He literally warns people to “do what they teach you but not what they do” because he wanted to make a distinction between actually following the law and acting unjustly and lawlessly as the hypocritical teachers would do. If Jesus was around today I bet he would fucking disown Christianity. 100% These fucking hypocrites defend their faith more then they do their fellow man. Disgusting what people will do when you dangle eternal life on a string in front of them.
Okay, that explains A LOT to me. I will take down my comment of "why was this lady, AND her husband still going to the same church, with the SAME preacher who repeatedly raped her as a child?" Thanks for the clarification.
@@JCTBomb I didn’t read all of this but understanding the gist, It truly is horrible that stuff like this happens, we can’t let it get to us to much though. God deals with it all in the end of it and he’ll get his due-diligence in the end.
Imagine how heartbreaking it must have been for that poor woman to see people from her congregation HUG the predator who sexually abused her, minutes after she mustered the courage to talk publicly about it. And then people wonder why victims don’t speak up smh
His son, Jeremiah Lowe also is a child rapist. He raped Jessi Kline when she was 13 and he was supposed to babysit her, her family also were members of John Lowe's fucked up church.
You ever notice it's always the "really religious" people who find out about crimes against children in their communities/families who are so quick to just forgive and sweep it under the rug? Every man in my family had done something to me and what happened? "They apologized, get over it. They could've killed you, aren't you glad you're still alive?"
Yeah, you should be glad youre still alive to mention it in a yt comment section. Those types of scenarios dont tend to have the best outcome as far as, yknow, the victim living.
@@royalgelly8948 however, the damage they did To hear "you should be glad you're still alive" while I'm living crippled in fear and unable to leave me house
@@royalgelly8948 I'm currently doing therapy every other week, on anti psych meds I'm just saying, the victims who didn't make it-heart goes out to them and their families But telling a victim "you should be glad you're alive" when every day is an actual struggle kinda got to me and I apologize. You're awesome for telling someone to do those things though. Not too many people even fake caring anymore. Just know, for most, this shit never goes away.
Exactly. It's kind of like what they do in confession. "God I have sinned, I hurt someone, can YOU forgive me?" Like?.? That's extremely toxic. They're asking god to forgive them when they should do that to who they actually hurt.
@@nottzoyou’re sinning against God and His child. When He did this He hurt GODS child, One whom He loves so very much. And He obviously cares for her soul so in that the pastor has also sinned against God. By hurting His child, and it pains God for His child to hurt.
@@iggy9226 nnnah. the person who was directly involved should be apologized to. i wouldn’t forgive anyone if they hurt me and decided to apologize to their god instead of me. Its selfish
I love how the lady who screamed at the man for doing that to a 14 year old and he so blatantly corrects her by saying she was 16, like it makes it any better.
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“I told you I committed adultery.” “YOU DIDN’T TELL THEM SHE WAS 14 YEARS OLD!” “Uh, she was 16…” Yeah man that makes it MUCH more reasonable, absolutely vile human.
i went to this church and was in the room when this all happened, the pasture had bribed the family with "church protection" as long as she hadnt said anything. i knew the victim decently well and she was the sweetest person id ever met. i know families who still continue to go here, they removed John and replaced him with his son.
Church protection? Protection from what? Y'all got the Italian mafia running around robbing people, or something? Or did he mean, like, "spiritual protection"? Are they gonna pray extra hard so none of the family gets possessed? I'm genuinely curious what exactly he was trying to bribe her with. Most people dangle money or the promise of a career, but it seems like his bribe was as BS as his "confession".
@@blaiddfumbler You could be right, I googled it myself after no response, but TBH most the congregation were psychopathic as they went and hugged the sick SOB after the heat breaking, sickening truth that came out..
It was kind of smart on the part of the lady who said “you didn’t tell them she was 14 years old.” In doing that she had him admit verbally that she was 16
@@Unmarketable Not defending a pedophile and don’t know where you got animal abuse from, I would never hurt either of my chihuahuas. She was 16 at the time, the age of consent in Indiana is 16, there was no problem unless it wasn’t consensual, which we don’t know. In France it’s 14, but no one is claiming that French people are pedophiles over there.
People need to stop forgiving people who do not regret their actions because it just encourages them. This guy doesn't regret his actions, he is not confessing. He is bragging.
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That's catholic, or some other church that functions like catholics. In most churches, if you committed adultery but repented, you can still be a pastor. As long as it doesn't effect the church in a negative way. However churches like the Catholic Church, have all these rules and regulations that are more about business than worship. A recent priest has been saying lines wrong when baptising. So all these people think they aren't saved anymore because of a simple mistake. Dumb A lot of people think of Catholics when they hear christain. But really most christain churches in the US don't like Catholics. Not the people, just their beliefs. They have idols that step between them and God. A lot of abuse happens in the catholic church too. Bad rep for christains
@@lalotime The Catholic Church, being the oldest institution in the world, with over a billion members across the globe, necessarily has an extensive Code of Canon Law that, ideally, guarantees a degree of oversight and provides channels for conducting business and addressing abuses. However, the form of the Sacrament of Baptism is not a matter of canon law; it is a matter of sacramental theology. So you are wrong to connect the baptismal formula with "rules and regulations that are more about business than worship." On the contrary, the sacrament itself depends in part upon the proper words being said, which principle may be seen in embryo in the New Testament; the baptismal font is not the place for personal ingenuity. The priest in question did not make a "simple mistake"; regardless of his intentions he was either extremely careless or willfully disrespectful of the Church's instructions. Finally, to say that the invalidly baptized are not "save[d]" is to misunderstand the Catholic doctrines concerning salvation, which see a more or less gradual human progress toward beatitude, in cooperation with the divine grace normatively received at Baptism. In other words, if you're going to call something "dumb," I suggest understanding it first.
this wasn't adultery, it was child r*pe. he should be in jail. but kicking someone out for adultery is actually going against the bible. cheating is not a reason to kick someone out of a church, the place of forgiveness and "come as you are". that makes zero sense.
@@icu3869 I'm speculating here, but maybe he has been trying to keep her quiet about it, and she reached a breaking point. I think she probably gave him an ultimatum and told him that he either confesses to everyone or she will just out him. Most would choose to do it themselves so that they can frame to not be as bad as it actually was. That's exactly what he did, and although for a brief moment he seemed to be in hot water...it basically worked...
In Italy this shit wouldn't fly, Americans are very picky about the rules they want to follow, despite screeching "god bless America" every twelve secondd
Is God not all about forgiveness? You forget that in God's eyes all sin is equal except for one. Would you forgive someone for lying? Would you kick him out for lying? If the church doesn't want him as pastor anymore that's definitely reasonable, but to kick him out of the church is not right in my opinion.
Baptist pastor here. A lot of problems here. There's a passage in 1 Timothy 5 which calls for a pastor guilty of such sin to be rebuked publicly. This isn't a confession. I'm glad the woman confronted him. A shame the church didn't have more discernment. The Bible does equip us to handle these evil things.
The fact that he has the ego to stand in front of the crowd, say “Ya I molested a minor, but now you’re going to forgive me because I’m undergoing the biblical recovery process” is somehow so suprising and yet almost expected
I stood up in church when I was much younger and "came forward" about being sexually abused, when my abuser was in the congregation. Didn't mention him by name but it was a terrifying experience. I can't even imagine directly confronting them. The absolute strength of this woman.
And also a room of people that were cheering him seconds ago ! Thank god they saw the distress and stood up for the victim because it could have went a complete other way, and the poor woman would have to reconsider her own life because people minimized the trauma even more. But let's not talk about it I'm just glad it went the way it did !
He was not there to confess, he was there to save face. The way he goes about "confessing" is incredibly telling to the kind of person he is. Using just the right words to gain sympathy, and leaving out the parts that could be used to destroy his reputation. Guy is the lowest of the low. He doesn't care about repentance. He only cares about how people view him. This was just his attempt at damage control. Whole situation is gross.
“Pastors are worshipped more than Jesus.” 100% agree. I went to this youth conference called Generation Unleashed when I was in high school, and I swear, every pastor there had the typical hipster look (Jean jacket, brown shoes, skinny jeans, derpy beard etc.) and they were all treated like one would treat a celebrity. It’s crazy man
stuff like that is the reason I don't go to church, or even really believe in going. You're relationship with God is your own, and you shouldn't need to gather like that, especially when there are so many false believers that are head pastors or priests. I also notice that a lot of people at church are super judgemental, and like to call out others on bullshit to make you feel like shit, and make themselves seem "holier than thou"
@@hinglemccringleberry9389 that depends mostly on the reason they go to church, an interesting study found that those who went to church for materialistic reasons such as relationships, food, connections were found to be the most racist or outwardly judgmental while those who solely wanted to improve their relationship with God and pray were actually some of the least racist people in the population or something like that
Well I mean they are in a church. They doing what the bible teaches. She should take legal action if she wants him to be properly brought to justice. They have a confession and everything on tape. But I do agree forgiving that so quickly is crazy especially because it was done in his church office and 20 years of hypocrisy later after he can take a pension he reveals all smh. They are better belivers than I am.
I’m thankful for my church my pastor is very humble and knows he is simply here to deliver the message not to be worshipped or looked as a person on a pedestal and never judges anyone. One of the things he said that reeled me in was that he said Church is a hospital for sinners, not a museum for saints.
I once had a pastor who told me that he once had a woman come to him and basically admit that her husband was viciously abusing her, and she wanted to seek religious guidance since she believed that men were to be the head of the household. The pastor immediately called the cops and the husband was arrested. I wish there were more pastors who could separate from religion just for a second to do the right thing. So many of these people use it as a way to abuse their position of power. edit: As many people have said, it was a poor choice of words to say "separate from religion." This specifically referenced how people use religion as a shield to do whatever they want.
I am so glad that situation went well. It is unfortunate how we can be so into our faith that we forget that there are legal systems in place for situations like this.
It’s not seperate religion from doing the right thing, it’s separating greed and power to do the right thing. God tells you to turn the other cheek to be patient and loving, to not act back in a hateful, not to flagellate and hurt you. If someone is continually abusing you, you have to leave. (Also usually priests and pastors don’t call the cops due to the person asking not to, which I think is fair to be honest.)
They are literally enabling this behaviour. This is gross, those people are gross, and I hope the victim and her family is okay and are able to get away from that environment.
these idiots aren't real Christians, ppl that actually follow the bibles example know that committing adultery is practically almost an unforgivable sin and would have disfellowshipped him from the congregation ceasing all communication with him until he's faced the consequences of his actions according to the law of the land (the court system) don't let these goofballs fool you
bro imagine how awful and helpless she felt after spilling her heart out after so long of hiding it and thinking "oh yeah theyre finally gonna get to see how awful this man is and his life is over" just for people to CLAP FOR HIM and HUG HIM and FORGIVE HIM
It was really just him demonstrating power over her, yet again, this time, in front of a public audience. The sin was never corrected, so it grew exponentially, as is sin's nature.
@@alexanderleonardi3625 Many don’t receive it sadly, but justice exists still. Just because it isn’t objectively (it’s impossible for it to be objectively perfect) perfect doesn’t mean it isn’t justice.
The nerve of this disgusting human being to call it an “affair” and “adultery” is absolutely mind boggling- Like no you creep you took advantage of a innocent 16 year old girl and I’m sad to say that I have feeling that she isn’t the only one but I hope I’m wrong.
Well, saying "I r***d a child" wouldn't have got him nearly as many hugs or near as spectacular a standing ovation. ...but yes, if he was willing to do it once and accepted everyone's undying love for him after he handcrafted the narrative to get off the hook he most certainly has done it and/or is willing to do it again. But after that you won't see many others come forward to tell their story, sadly.
In the Bible, it talks about how you forgive to be forgiven by God in turn. That letting go of the bitterness in you frees YOU, let's you move on and practice what you preach. What you desire, you also give. It never says to not lock up a POS
He was mainly hoping to avoid the details getting out that he had abused a child. He was hoping to take a smaller L and hoping to leave with his dignity and reputation mostly intact. Had she not spoken up about his bullshit, everyone would've still mostly respected that piece of sub-human refuse.
in Australia 16 years is legal age. ii dont know what you on about.. how ever if he raped her thats a different story and ofc he cheated on his family which is wrong
“for years i thought i was a horrible person having suicidal thoughts…” not only was she put through the physical abuse of molestation, she was put through the emotional abuse and trauma of her religion demonizing her mental health struggles that were caused by her PASTOR. disgusting. i hope he gets what he deserves, and i hope she gets a chance to begin a healing process.
@@supremesalsa3257 okay, I think I got it. So your saying that yes it happens but it's not all Christians. Which is a given? I mean yeah, it not all Christians but it's a noticeable amout of christens that do this kind of thing. And it is important to address and talk about.
Imagine telling your SA story in front of your abuser and his followers only for them to hug him later. That isn’t just a slap in the face, that is a hard kick in the crotch with a stab in the back, yet that still doesn’t amount to the pain that poor girl felt
A priest could probably walk into his follower's houses, grab their baby in front of them and leave and no one would stop them. Probably also applies to their money.
“She was 14!” “No actually she was 16.” Like that makes it any better. I understand that we should forgive but he admits to “adultery” and they just cheered him on because he admitted it. Also it wasn’t even adultery it was literally child rape. As a Christian it’s bizarre to me that they cheered him on for admitting he had cheated on his wife. Like seriously what is happening to our world.
I could not imagine what this was like for her to do. She is so strong, brave and courageous for standing up there and speaking her story immediately after the congregation applauded for her attacker admitting his crimes against her. I could not imagine how that must have felt to hear him talk about it and receive applause. Could not imagine how that felt speaking up in front of everyone. I hope she is doing good and hope he is non-existent anymore.
I agree, she's strong for it, and the act would be hard for many people. Some people are capable of dealing with extremely stressful near death situations in some places of their life, and can still have a fear of presenting information in front of crowds. Some people don't have the ability to deal with those near death situations, but have no fear of presenting information in front of crowds. It's all too complex and interwoven. To put down one persons weakness is to insult another person they would potentially have considered strong. By that I mean, if I were to mock someone for fear of public speaking because I don't have it, I would be unintentionally mocking other people I respect who share that fear. There are so many soldiers out there who could easily physically smack me around like a fish, who incidentally happen to have that fear, just because of how life played out for them. So many people with various respectable qualities. So many in fact, that it would be statistically impossible for me not to end up throwing the insult towards one of those soldiers, if i were to call someone weak for that flaw alone. Humans are extremely complicated and multi-layered creatures, and it's a good thing we're largely past the time of reductive, simplistic points of view such as "people are all cruel". Or "people just live a soft life", right?
@@DoflamingoDonxiquote It IS hard to do. Tell me you haven't been sexually assaulted without telling me you haven't been sexually assaulted. Imagine being as bothered as you by someone coming out about being sexually abused. If anyone is soft it's you. You seem like you sympathize with an abuser, which is absolutely discusting. Like I told you before in another reply thread, seek help.
I feel so bad for this girl. Imagine coming out and telling everyone you were sexually physically abused as a child and then the people you just told this to basically dont give a single f
@@BigBrosFilms baseless & untruthful claim just to bash on the south. This was Indiana. It has nothing to do with the state, but house to house. You can meet terrible people in Texas, or great people in Cali, but then go down one house and you’ll meet great people in texas and awful people in Cali.
I’m so happy to see Charlie point out these things that are wrong about churches, it tends to be people who used to be in the church/faith, like myself
A larger picture is forming, why I started digging your content, your staying power. And my recent heavy dive into this Stream/Twitch/online culture you all grew up in. Profane language aside, there's an unwavering ethical thing Moist adheres to. Regardless of the age of any video.
@@graclee8873no matter how many years it’s been moist stays ethically and morally consistent. he’s always a good person who sticks to the same ideas and beliefs, which is why his platform has stayed strong for so many years. he’s got the same goodness and morals whether the video is a day old or 272661 days old.
As a rape victim, this whole thing is just totally unfair. It's not the church's place to forgive him. That power belongs to the victim. I don't understand how they could possibly go up to hug the guy after finding out what he did.
@@juliadesoto7374 everything I just said is from the New Testament. and that’s crazy you mention “mental health” could you actually imagine everything I seen and went through that made me believe in god was all fake? that’s an interesting thought. I’ve seen some dark things in the night, I’ve seen paranormal activity worse then the movies in real life. I call upon Jesus for help and watched these things coward in fear. i never stop believing in him sense
Believe it or not. As a Rape Victim myself. I make the choices of Repentance AND Forgiveness myself. It doesn't matter what you think is "unfair" or not. She is brave for confronting him, For once she has said her piece, she has already won. We hold our ground and nothing else.
what a slap in the face to the victim to have dozens of people go up and embrace your offender after you explained what happened in an extremely vulnerable way. i'm disgusted.
THIS!!! I can’t believe no one and Charlie haven’t mentioned that part specifically. That is seriously just a WHOLE new layer of trauma dumped on top of what was already there
@@salvie777 really? I’ve never expect people to come and comfort me as a victim. They’re leaving their lives, they’re being deceived by others, I mean it’s tough to hear him praised, but jeez
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If you watch enough Chris Hansen or other pedophiles catchers. They all say that. As if it's any better. Same with lying about their age and dropping 10 years off from like 45 to 35. As if it's better. This guy is a pedo.
TO BE FAIR, the word "adultery" in the Bible covers many things. Even premarital sex is considered adultery. So, if you wanna be technical about it, assaulting a woman is adultery, by biblical definition. However, he deliberately uses very broad vocabulary in order for people to not understand the true gravity of his sins.
@@THE-WAY_THE-TRUTH_THE-LIFE. yeah, technically, but it wasn’t JUST adultery. that implies that he just cheated on his wife with another woman, not that he molested an underage girl?? fucking obviously are you okay
"What I've never understood is why pastors, themselves, are treated like gods." This. This is one of the biggest reasons I stopped going to Church. Senior members and leaders of the Church are treated like gods who can do no wrong, while everyone else is judged and belittled for every, tiny little move. The hypocrisy in Church is rampant and ridiculous.
@Obama _man9 Nope. Grew up in a tiny town going to a church with a population of less than 100, had the same problems. People talk about these issues mainly in reference to megachurches, but I've seen and heard about these problems at churches of all sizes and denominations.
Church has a strange parasitic community. The good news is that for the most part its like twitter, they only have power over you if you're in the community...until it comes into politics.
If you are in a church and you clap for your pastor than you are in the wrong Church. The only time you should clap is after music, that is the only time that I can see clapping is necessary or making sense.
Lifelong Christian here. I agree with Charlie, pastors are lifted up WAY too high. And this guy needs to answer for his crimes. This congregation had likely been taught false teachings by this pastor to make himself look better than he is. Absolutely disgusting, using Christianity to try to justify his actions and get away from them.
@@hoffer_moment Yeah, so many people can get disconnected from what’s important, and they just focus on what the pastor says. Open your Bible and come to your own conclusions for once!
they should have crowded around the victim and prayed over her... why does the abuser always get the loving forgiveness and the victim never gets the love for there pain in situations like this?
This type of “forgiveness” mindset is so sick. I’ve had a close family member who was abused as a teen, and that man still was forgiven and accepted in church. A crime is a crime. And if it happens again, and it almost always does, it’s too late for it to get the punishment it deserves.
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that is how religion works. pray for forgiveness, forget, rinse and keep doing you sickly deeds. Nobody cares what terrible crimes you commit if you're part of religion. even my grandpa, completely catholic. is a terrible sick, abusive man. but he's religious so it is alright to those around. gross isn't it, well I suppose that's how the world works nowadays.
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@@MrUssy101 this isn't a professional edited video that is he is watching and speaking of. It's not like it's content made by another RU-vidr, it's just a video someone filmed. If anything, I'm sure more people will go watch the OG video after watching this. I don't understand what you're upset about.
I feel bad for the victim because imagine saying what happened to you then seeing people go up to be all forgiving and pitying the man who hurt her and abused her in so many ways
7:25 this woman in the crowd is actually so smart for overstating the age difference as to make the pastor confess to the actual age of the girl..whether she meant to or not she got the confession out of him that "no, ackschully she was 16" not only does this open up the fact that she was underage it also tells that the pastor was very well aware that he was sexually involved with a minor.
@@Mr12Relic I hate that so much, people will hold onto State ages of consent as if the federal age of consent isn't 18 for a very good reason, and as if that somehow makes it any less creepy. A 16 year old in California is still the same age in Indiana, still a minor no matter what some sleazy laws say.
@@PistenDeer It's not. The vast majority of countries and US states choose 14, 15 or 16. The US federal government didn't magically get the right age over everyone else, nor did california. Your cultural norms are YOUR cultural norms. What's sleazy is that this relatively old man manipulated and abused this young girl from a position of power into having sex with him. Just because the age of consent is 16 doesn't mean "relationships" like this shouldn't be heavily scrutinised, Age of Consent doesn't actually matter that much in itself because even when it's lower you don't get a big rush of teenagers wanting to have sex with middle aged men and women. I think quite clearly age of consent or not, there wasn't consent here. As the replier states, the guy wants to make sure it's 16 because 16 is not underage where he's at and he won't face statutory charges. This would force her to prove rape rather than just sex (the latter of which he's admitted to).
@@Person01234 A lot of countries with age of consent below 18 specify that if someone under 18 has sex with someone that's over 18 it could still be classified as a crime even if the underage person consented.
@@Mr12Relic statutory works anyway, age of consent (if it's under 18) usually means with *other people who are under 18*. 16 yr old with a 30yr old is still (statutory) rape
“I got baptized twice just cause I was afraid God might have missed the first one” Is the actual funniest sentence to come out of this man’s mouth for me. I was not expecting that at all.
To trust in God so much and believe he's this out right almighty being that can do anything but then say some shit like that. Like oh, so God does mess up then I guess? Not shitting on anyone's belief. Just pointing out irony. It's funny.
@@mepd3350No, we are made perfect but our actions are imperfect, that is the gift of free will and it is in our nature to do evil with our will, God does not want us to sin but it is His gift he gave so gracefully.
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As a Christian myself, I can’t wrap my head around the fact that not only does this pastor admit to committing a horrible crime and he doesn’t seem guilty about it at all, but the fact that the people in pews applaud him and give him hugs. If the priest at MY church did that, it would completely change the way I view him for the worst.
Totally agree. I was expecting a tearful apology at the very least, but it definitely came off as him doing his best to downplay it. Based the first part of his story I do understand the congregation forgiving him. From their perspective he made a big mistake one time 20 years ago. Biblically there is a separation between forgiving a sin and lack of consequences. He can be forgiven by God/Man, yet still deserve prison. In the same way, his congregation can forgive him, while still not wanting anything to do with him ever again.
Man deserves a restraining order, imprisonment, firing, put on a register for predatory and sex offense conducts, fired again and exiled from the church, as frankly if he is capable of committing harm on people on its premises, he should not be allow near said premises This is only the professional response to such a crime and confession, victims, survivors and witnesses will probably do other unprofessional shit, but the professional and legal response is the bare minimum The monster doesn't deserve rest, enough said
at my brothers church recently the pastor either got caught or came out to the church that he had an affair in the past year or so and he was called to step down and leave the church not applauded and told how good he was for coming clean.
@@saulstein9560 my previous pastor was confronted for having 17+ affairs. He was then brought up in front of the church had to admit to what he did an was then also asked to step down from the position.
I am a Christian and I would gladly drop what I am doing and help this kind of person meet God... whether they're ready or not. The fact that no one felt the need to break this guy's knees is troubling. I don't ever want to look at someone like this and be able to instantly forgive them because they read the bible to me once a week.
7:35 You are so right... It is like the mentality of a frightening number of adults/teachers/authority figures/etc... You can verbally bully someone to the point of suicide and it is easily brushed off but the second you even so much as physically push someone (Usually the victim pushing the bully) all hell breaks loose... People can be so messed up and whether they realise it or not they end up being the very fuel that the bullies/etc need...
As a real Christian, just because God forgives you of a sin (no matter how bad), that doesn’t mean you get to escape the consequences of your actions. This man should be in prison.
As a Catholic, this makes me enraged. We do not boast our sins, especially in this manner. When we seek forgiveness, we are told to do what is right. If this man actually felt sorry for what he did, he would admit to his crime and turn himself over to the police. A simple "sorry" is not enough; one must repent and reap what he sews.
I've personally seen the negative effect that community can have in these churches when serious allegations come to light. The sad thing is, even when there's a conviction, oftentimes the victims are the ones outed from the communities, and the offender is welcomed back into the community when they're set free.
The "yes WE did it" after being asked if HE did it makes this even more disgusting. Trying to put part of the blame on her like this. 🤢 I don't know if it's the same in America as it is in Germany, but if it is, he won't even have to face consequences, as the church has their own laws and they will likely not sentence him for his crimes. Its truly sickening 🤢
It's different here in the U.S., thank God. Church figures are held under the same law as the rest of us. That being said though, the Catholic church is notorious for hiding evidence in cases of SA.
He definitely won't be punished, by the law at least. There's a thing called statute of limitations in most places, meaning you can't be arrested for a crime after a certain amount of time has passed. Sad, but true.
The church here in America does not have its own laws, buuuuuut the people enforcing the laws here are very corrupt. So if he did go to prison, he's probably out already.
@@magnus6609 not legal justice but justice can be brought all the same spreading his misdeeds and making sure it can never happen again is the first step and may god strike him down with a vengeance unseen before
the person who shouted "you didnt say she was 14" did that intentionally so the pastor could admit that the person he molested was 16 (by correcting that person in front of the crowd)
My husband grew up in that church and was best friends with the victims brother and her. So after my husband and I got married we were trying to find a church and he took me there and I told him that something wasn’t right there. I was not comfortable around the pastor so we went to my church. So glad I followed my instincts.
As a survivor, hearing you say, "I dont think there's any power in forgiving someone like that man. That guy is a monster" brought tears to my eyes. So many survivors are told to forgive and forget, especially if it is a family member or someone held in high esteem by the community who did the abusing. I will carry your words with me. Thank you
She would have to file charges or testify in court at the very least and most victims like to distance themselves as far away from the incident as possible
@@noahgillihan7251 it seems she's brave enough to tell an entire congregation about it, and confront him. She doesn't seem like the one to not press charges or do something. Also, if you openly admit in public, and on video, to a serious crime can nothing really be done? The guy admits to child rape but it just doesn't matter because she didn't press charges? That's fucked up. People would just target those they know wouldn't press charges and take advantage of them.
@@Metallic484 if you do not testify in court you cannot really press charges. For example, a cop can have a video recording of you speeding, but if he doesn't go to court that day, you will not get charged with speeding.
“God will forgive him” -well, I’m not God. I’m glad she was able to stand up and say that, that took guts. At least everyone can know what kind of person he is
I love how people speak for God. Typical Christians absolving themselves of crimes and sins and speaking on Gods behalf. God definitly isn't the forgiving type if you ever read the bible but ya know, they never do and only take snippets of verses to use.
@@novaangle2183 I'll never forget reading about God/Yahweh/Jehovah/whatever striking a man down, for not impregnating his brother's widow. Out of all of the kills that I know of, that one just sticks to my memory the most.
@@novaangle2183 ofc. They're all clones walking to the of there rope being controlled and manipulated by this idea of Santa Claus in the sky. Truth is all these religious zealots are gonna die off and the rise of the newer gens will focus on spirituality NOT corrupt RELIGION there is a difference.
@@captainpep3 was god forgiving when that door was propped open in Uvalde? Was your god forgiving and loving and spreading his plan when those 10 year olds Lost everything? That's the reality of your governments "plan" you religious people are so tied with the very thing you are enemies with. It's soooo ironic. Like if only you knew the lost wisdom of this place. We are the only gods
Pastor: I am simply a humble sinner Woman: actually she's so brave revealing so many details about a horrific crime to a congregation that just cheered for the guy
This should honestly be shown to people who may have experienced something but haven't come forward about it, seeing the narrative change so quickly when her side came out is somewhat encouraging.
I was a minor abused in the church. This makes me fucking sick. It makes me so happy this girl got her time to speak. So many of us never have. The fact that the even just a few in the crowd didn’t turn on her like the congregation at my church did gives me so much hope for humanity and embracing and praying for this man was completely unacceptable, deranged and disgusting especially in front of his victim. Thank you for showing this. It shows the reality of many many abuse survivors of the church.
I don’t think we are really anything in the grand scheme to say who is forgiven or who isn’t. I’d rather worry about my own actions than try to hold someone else accountable for anything.
I can only imagine how that girl feels watching them hug that monster. I’m absolutely disgusted. You’d think they would have him arrested. I pray she gets the justice she deserves and heals.
Fascinating to see the Will Smith slap event type of behavior from the crowd in that church. Not a surprise tho, just very interesting to see it captured in the video like this.
I don't know where this happened, but I wish 16 was considered a sexual minor everywhere. I was assaulted at 16, the jury was convinced I wanted it, the 30 year old man only did time in jail because he provided a gun and tried to hire someone to kill me. He was in jail for two years. I hope she gets some sort of justice, for herself and for the rest of us.
Oh my god I'm so sorry this happened to you. I hope you recover from this 🙏 By the way I totally agree, remembering myself at 16 years old I was a completely batshit insane person and I can't imagine someone this age could give clear consent
