Pat Bev & JJ Redick debate whether James Harden deserves the supermax 🍿 | Get Up 

He's a trip 😂😂

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Lmao, JJ heated while answerin PatBevs somewhat rhetorical question

Oh y'all tripping Pat Bev was a thousand percent right

@@teamgreats4084 If you think he is correct, then you should never be a manager

Facts😂. He tryna be Hardens agent rn

Rockets fan. You right 😂😂

Lol, he should ask for 15%! He's been trying to sell that Harden supermax belief for the past two days! Not going to happen.

Big facts! Bev been putting work in trying to sell everyone on it lol.

@@rodb115 20% !!

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For real lol. He knows if he were a GM and someone came to him proposing supermax for harden after that performance he'd laugh the guy out his office

Dont compare pat bev to that waste of human garbage skip

No he’s Patrick Beverly

@@KidTakeFlight that part

Exactly. Two guys that actually played and know the game. One thing to speak on the game from a textbook, intellectual level but it’s another thing to speak on the game if you actually played and know the internal nuisances that’s the media and ppl don’t know or don’t understand. That’s why I love when former players get into sports media because they can speak on it from a whole different level because they actually been in trenches and know all the behind the scenes nuisances.

@@olliesmith4997 facts my boy!!!! I’m tired of media people who never played sports

Except one is smart and the other is a moron irritant.

Not really. GM wise pat doesnt make any sense. Whats valid is harden is still worth a supermax ONLY if he is the franchise player and embiid is it.

@@calebdavis381 He still wouldn’t be a super max. Even a max would be a stretch. He has deteriorated rapidly.

Hes so heated he gotta chill lol

@@kawhi-theking_of_the_north3536 how you gonna chill when you're arguing with a moron? lol

@@kawhi-theking_of_the_north3536 pat bev effect

Pat bev got JJ IN his feelings 😂😂💀💀🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

LMAOOOO

Pat isn't even making points. He is like the 3 year old who just learned the word "why"

Because pat is a idiot and conversing with an idiot can be infuriating

Pat is a child in a mans body.

@@Dr.SmegmaJones other way around lol

pat bev is biased.. we should check up on pat again next year ^.^

A robin that fills up the stadium, sells shoes, jerseys etc. A robin that has all eyes on him. Instant ROI for an organization. It's a star based company. Not (statistical in-game) results. I understand JJ wasn't much into the business aspects of it. Results get you championships, but the rest of the league chipping in for business financial returns, and JJ don't have eyes for that domain.

That James harden Robin 😭😭😭😭

@@gb2755 pretty sure the teams don't get paid for their players shoe sales that deal is with Nike or whoever they're wearing

@@gb2755 james harden doesnt do any of that lol. Most people think he is washed up and lazy

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@zuze owned JJ with pettiness, yeah, but definitely not with logic, lol..... He says he's paying James Harden 60 mil when Harden's 37. Huh?!

@zuze "owned" jj? he's literally just trolling with stupidity.

@zuze must've watched a different video lmao, JJ debunked every point he tried making Pat got son'd

To be honest Pat is trolling.

He was absolutely amazing I agree

forreal. idk why but espn moderators always have annoying voices for whatever reason, but I can listen to him forever.

Absolutely, way to acknowledge that.

I concur

Pat is providing the honest current player perspective that keeps up with the business of the NBA.

@@mr.ronaldlawrence1231 he’s giving his perspective. There is varying thoughts in the league.

I'm not saying Pat is dumb but everything he said here was extremely dumb

@@dw4270 Agree Agree Agree. Pat is only speaking as a friend and former teammate of James Harden. No logic whatsoever.

Nerds on here so freakin corny

That's why u have stipulations in contracts give him Max but with stipulations on performance and wins or championship deliveries

So based on CP3 arrival in Sun they have been top team does CP3 deserve the super max ? Lol Bev opinions are laughable it’s pure feelings

Jj is right

nah, pat bev is saying that harden has proved he has the ability to play at a level that deserves a supermax contract. He shouldn't be penalized contract wise because he morphed his game to let people like maxey tobias and embiid play better on offense

that's one of the most stupid answers pat beverly gave on that discussion...Unless you are some kind of royalty to that team, as kobe was to the lakers, that was one of the most stupid answers i have heard...

Nah, it's because they both hate Chris Paul!

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@@FreeOnGoal oh Fr 😭😂

Do you not know they were teammates for so many years?

Bev said Harden and him are close so he's trying to get his guy another big payday😭

what max kellerman do?

@@erikkelley412 They moved him off of First Take and it spurred up some controversy because Max is one of the GOATs but they bowed to SAS's demands even though Max is smarter and more level headed than SAS.

@@MisticStyles I dont believe SAS wanted max out....no proof to back that claim

@@BHH71700 Uh... Except he admitted it publicly.

@@MisticStyles Ah i see i see. Wouldn't really call that a debacle just someone moving on to a new opportunity. Kind of odd that you would put his name in the same sentence as Rachel Nichols who was shown to be on the edge with her racist comments. They are completely unrelated. Stating there names together gives people the wrong image of Max Kellerman that's all.

Nice take.

Didn't think of that. Good point.

Yeah but who’s gonna go out of their way to give Pat a contract?

@@DTS_I He is currently in the 1st year of a 3 year $40 million dollar contract. But I know he’s thinking about his next contract as he should.

@@ray_of_sunshine917 if anything he’ll just get a contract just like that or less.

Best description. Makes you wanna grab popcorn 😂

That was hella accurate loool

Lol this is hilarious... businesses are run by individuals(humans) who are flawed. Any business decision made there will be some sort of algorithm or reasoning to back it up but that doesn't mean buisnesses dont make decisions based on sentiment. They do it all the time(and tell the lil guys, "The reason behind this is x+y=hi" and they eat it up..

Harden is on his way outta this league No défense, inability to show up in the biggest games

I mean what can you really do? The position they are in Joel's entering his prime. Window is closing especially with injuries. Harden isn't the same, but he does put up numbers. Sure bad or good whatever. Still doesn't solve their bench issue + their wing problems with Thybulle being a liability. Nobodies gonna trade for Harden soo what can you do?

hes just trying to get james paid he dont really believe that

@@MrMaples1996 you don’t even need to trade Harden. Keep him there, give him 160 over 4 years instead of that 270, use the rest of the money to invest in free agents or something else. But to double down and pour money into a man who is getting out played by Maxey is wild!

Pb & JJ

@@boneless9311 u a genius bro. Go into tv or sumn

No cause bev I s good at time s but a idiot and ignorant most of the time

@@boneless9311 that was actually good... I don't usually give out compliments.. but you just actually accomplished something in life

@@boneless9311 you won. You’re amazing

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Paul George, Kyrie Irving, Draymond, Jaylen Brown, Russ in OKC, Dwade, it’s plenty of people 😂

I couldn’t pinpoint it but you hit it on the nose! The nba players will takeover ESPN! The commentary from players and ex players is leagues above the talking heads!

FACTS.... Not to mention Pat Bev was a thousand percent right

You are so right! Thank you for putting it into words

But he's wrong here. You're out of your mind if you give Harden the max.

@@RayMon504 if Philly don't give him the max somebody else would, therefore Philly will lose him for nothing, only a dummy would not pay him the money you just traded everything to get him, pay him his money common sense

@@Dr.SmegmaJones cuz Pat knows hes' talking out his a**. JJ is spot on

@@Dr.SmegmaJones JJ was stuttering too actually

Don't ride it so hard

Ever'body seemed to forget the "fannies in the seats" factor. A dinosaur in LA is a shell of his former "King" self, yet he's getting the super max. What you've done in the past DOES bring another fanny or two to the arena.

@@tarico4436 And see how well that’s working out for the Lakers? You’re disproving your own point.

@@tarico4436 Wait what? LeBron went 30/8/6 on 52% shooting and was 4th in PER and he is a shell of his former self? Gtfoh with that BS

ay this comment here 😭😭😭💀

He had him on there twice lol

JJ is very prepared. Using Pat Bev’s famous word JJ DESTROYED him in this segment

Wow 😂

Lol they’re friends. They played together for years.

Lmao Pat bev isn’t concerned about JJ 😂

@@outzic Matt Barnes is looking for him in the parking lot after work

JJ doesn't keep his composure very well. Pat Bev is an expert at annoying opponents. JJ should know that since he's so smart.

@Israel Diaz I'm certainly not as fast as your mother.

@Israel Diaz And you're on RU-vid. Must be referring to yourself, slowman. ⛄️

No his point is that Harden gets slandered for scoring 22-10-8 but CP always gets a pass when he chokes in the playoffs.

@@jaimeosorio7099 Harden always chokes in playoffs and always made much more than Chris Paul whats your point? You'd have to be straight up feminine in your feelings to give Harden a max contract at this point especially since he quit on 3 teams in a row.

@@jaimeosorio7099 did you see Harden in the playoffs? He did not average nothing near that

Paul made the finals last year…

@@gringoboy701 and CP3 has the most 2-0 leads blown ever .. one gets slandered constantly with people saying he doesn’t deserve a max contract while the other gets called the “point god”

22 10 8 is his argument name another player putting up those numbers…. jokic lol

He gave numbers idiot.

@@Josh11howard 😂

He didn't 😄🤫🤫

No, JJ should go run the Sixers since he obviously has a monopoly on logic.

@@Chris.41 bruh what world you in, what had Steph accomplished at the time they payed him super max? ALOT. He was definitely well deserved leading up to now and steph wasn’t 37 when they payed him. Like James harden is and he’s won nothing compared to Steph Smh

@@Chris.41 Steph don't vanish in the playoffs and he got RINGS!!!!!!

He didn’t deflect though. It was a question to further his argument. Because he was going to compare their productions against harden.

Beverley doesnt asks questions.. He axes them

@@edwincollins5847 it didnt further his argument there is multiple players at or above hardens skill (fantastic players) that arnt paid supermax currently. JJ instantly pointed that out

@@tristanmeadows I think you need to listen to the video again. You can hear PaT bev making the case that what harden was able to do prior in his career should give reason on why he should get the max and as we as what his average currently is. As far as other players. JJ reddick mentioned tray young. He will get his as well. His time will come when it’s time to renegotiate his contract

Dude not 37 he’s 33

well it's confusing because based on the statement He's gonna get the supermax at age 37 But he is 32 so is he gonna take 5 years to prove his worth?

The owners need to start acting like the players need the NBA and not the NBA needs the players

@@pastapapi9768 nah, wrong take. There are now too many multimillionaire NBA players with connections. LBJ, the two MJs to name a few. For sure, people like jay-z beyonce to name a few other rich people that would support the players to establish another NBA. The NBA needs the superstars for sure, not the other way around. Best example is LBJ and the cavs. Cavs needed LBJ more than LBJ needed the savs.

Nah. The problems is he is averaging those points on really bad efficiency. Most blocked volume shooter in the NBA this season with over 9% of his attempts being blocked, 33% from 3, one of the highest turnover averages in the league, and not good on defense to put it mildly. It is okay in the regular season but it kills your team in the playoffs when defense matters more.

@@blackclover4375 They've been trying that with the NFL, the #1 sport in America, and the companies either fail or no one watches. More money in football than in the NBA. No way they could form another league AND Americans are not sports fans like say in Europe where you have 2-3 divisions for soccer and fans show out and show up. Wouldn't work here.... #1 cause of the money it would take and #2 cause of the American fans.

@@blackclover4375 You clearly have no idea how much it cost to run a basketball franchise. Jay-z and beyonce might be worth a billion, but that don't mean they're willing to spend most of their wealth on basketball. The NBA brand is bigger than any superstar today including Lebron.

It’s not cause no rule change harden is a lot slower than he was in Houston. He only scoring less cause he out of shape. The deciding factor on if he worth the money is if he will take care of his body

It doesn’t matter if he’s regressed from Houston harden. His production even in a off year still is worthy of a super max.

As long as Daryl Morey is in charge, he'll give Harden not only a supermax, but the keys to his house, and he'll even suck the sweat out of his beard like a baby deer nursing.

@@pointgod2_ It's because of the rule change. He can't bait as many fouls thus defenders can guard him closer hence lower 3 point percentage.

Bro harden is just slower go watch games instead of listening to media takes. He shooting freethrows at a high rate still. He is literally just way slower than he was a couple years ago. He just out of shape so he got no legs too shoot a step back three at a high percentage.

FACTS!!!!!

Bottom line is harden bought this on himself with that lackluster play in the playoff series

So harden is 32 rn so the assumption is he'll be with Philly for 5 years I definitely think he could preform better in 5+ years for a supermax I wish the NBA had like a prove it deal so he could show his skills and earn up to it

@@narcoticlilac6588 You can do exactly that right now. He opts in but Sixers don’t offer any extension. If he plays well in his final year (next season) then consider the option.

@@narcoticlilac6588 He's only going to get worse not better. Also his next year of opting in is literally a prove it deal lol. If he plays well (supermax well) next season he'll likely be signed to a 4 year supermax.

@@Chris.41 The problem exists when a professional athlete expects to be paid in full for not intentionally performing or 'playing for pay' (this applies to: James Harden, Kyrie Irving, Ben Simmons and the like...); however, as with Curry, he deserves all of his due money because the brother has always had a desire and intent to play to his fullest. Thus, that is the difference, It applies as/when someone desires or have the intent on providing their fullest effort for receiving any of their due income.

@@wr066 Totally well put my friend. This qualitative traits also has an effect on other players, which is why the GSW are in the conference finals; you have fringe players looking up to curry, and being elevated to a higher level. So whilst curry averages 25/5/6, the overall points he generates when he plays is higher. GSW acknowledges the overall impact he has on the organization, which is why Harden was used as a discussion on whether he deservers supermax and not Curry, because it is obvious to the the GSWs org and everyone else that he deserves it.

He's the definition of doing less with more. Terrible attitude. Basically wants a championship hand delivered to him while he stays comfortable. No willingness to go out on his shield

As much as I don't like harden I would say he's the next westbrook unlike them he actually changed his game to become more of a facilitator regardless if his scoring declined he changed the way he plays but still

"Once" he's a liability..🤔

If the entirety of players voted, there wouldn’t be bias. What are you talking about? Majority rules

@@VladimirElliot players have there friends and the guys they hate. Just look at pat bev these last two days.

I agree with you but he sells tickets and last time I checked it was 82 games n the season n he have a lot of fans so he should get paid if nor from a performance standpoint from the money his star makes it for the organization so he should be paid of that n entertainment you get paid because of your fan base not your production or skill and sports are entertainment

They're homies.

He’s right. Y’all just be hating on the beard

Sorry bev you just sound bad just like lebron as a gm

Former teammates

@@StayTru101 the beard is trash get over it

White...

@@secretsavant- he is more of a beige but idk what that has to do with stating arguments that are backed up with facts

@@xx_z.bruh_xx6916 He definitely wasn't proper, as his ad hominem statement that Pat Bev should go run the Sixers was unprofessional and could be turned on him since he seems to have all the answers.

@@xx_z.bruh_xx6916 Clearly he is a white male.

@@secretsavant- the only the thing that is clear is that the pot is calling the kettle black

No he’s saying in a nice way sign janes and get rid of Tobias

Nah bro, even if he had won that how can you pay a guy when he couldn’t take more than 2 shots in a close out game?

that doesnt mean that Harden deserve super max . Why would anyone that money for Robin and plus he us proven choker in PO . If thay pay him super max Embiid need to run away qucikly from Phili

@@aleksandar2919 Proven Choker!!! People consider the KD GSW the greatest team of all-time, He took them too a game 7 when LeBron got swept, He then took them too a game 6 the very next year and all he had was Cp3 who gets injured all the time, You tell me who can beat the GSW healthy at 100% it's no one. Harden had Westbrook!! Really!!! The man plays a Batman 2 roll, What Robin you know can average 22-8-10??? Exactly

imagine if morey is as crazy as pat and gives him the max....you give him the max I guarantee joel is gonna leave

Sent you from Philly How about you let us know when was a mid season trade with a Star PLAYER made and that team made the finals???

@@teamgreats4084 mount mutumbo

It’s literally doc plans. He addressed it in a interview

@@benjamindavid6089 🤥🤥🤥

He want somebody’s job lol

@@loststoryproductions 😂😂

@Israel Diaz huh?

There’s proof to this statement - Lakers won a “Bubble Championship”, while he and the Clippers blew a 3-1 lead in the same bubble. The quote was on This Just In.

Clearly biased, nobody with common sense would pay James Harden that after what we saw

@Israel Diaz aint no mexicans in the nba cos they too small

@Israel Diaz Don't know what your looking at but pat bev is definately not a white boy.

saying harden and draymond should get the supermax is not a fact...

@@ygkemosabi8280 Harden should get a max. Dramond should get max. MAX contracts are based on team need not player needs if a team need them and feel they can reshape the direction of their team and help them win a championship they they offer the max to get them to play with them. Fans think player do not deserve max do not know sports. If a team need them it on the team to pay to keep that player or get them to join, and if a max will do it then they get the max contract.