There’s even a video on Kevin David’s channel where he basically throws salt in the wounds of people who fell for his scams; reading comments on social media such as “I m******ate to the thought of your death!”
I tuned into one of these "FREE" seminars once. It was a phone conference type deal where everyone would call in and listen to the spiel the presenter was putting on. Not even 15mins into it and there's people with unmuted mics yelling at their spouses/girlfriends, dogs barking, scratching noises on mics, banging, vacuuming, people watching porn and an uproar of others trying to get others to mute. They shut the call down maybe 2 minutes later citing "technical difficulties". Funniest shit
The most frightening thing about scams is not how bad they can be, but how easily people can fall for them. Atomic Shrimp has some great videos on this subject imo
As someone with a Mother who is so deeply convinced that online courses are legit makes me so sad. I ALWAYS try to tell her that they're scams, she never listens, it sucks too because she isn't exactly the wealthiest person, yet shell dump hella money on these dumbass online courses. She is instantly won over by the charm of the presenter. It makes me angry.
Does she ever asked you to fork out your money to support her with that stuff ? If she does that, and she is as stubborn as you said she is then I'm afraid you have no choice but to cut contact.
It depends on the course, I mean you can do legit online degrees from proper uni's, and even short courses on everything from IP to coding. However, the guru-esque style courses are all BS.
My step dad fell for one. Not only did he spend his last 3000 dollars on the course, he actually took my mothers credit card without telling her and spent another 4 thousand thinking by the time she found out he would have earned back double and he'd be able to give her back the money. Spoiler alert, he didn't.
Phrases and words like “essentially free”, “limited time”, and “consultant” are always like red flag words when dealing with any sort of online or at home work
Wish I knew that before I bought the limited time only pumpkin spice Poptarts. (It tastes almost identical to maple brown sugar, for anyone that cares.)
Consultant is a real job but you need to be consultant in something for it to mean anything, its like saying I am a doctor or an engineer, it doesn't say in what field you work
I don't think Charlie realizes how desperate the people who fall for these scams likely are. They most likely work a dead end job and just want a change in their life.
and usually people from others countries and/or low classes, they see all these people around them succeed and start thinking "how?" and these programs seem like the answer they're looking for, not knowing that people who "succeed" financially are just people who luckied out on parents or life in general, or people who actually worked their asses off trying to learn business/management, and all the struggles they had to go through first
@@eppssilon That's very true in my experience, I'm from the middle east myself and these scams work best with people here, they have very few clues about how the world works outside their hamlet (them speaking broken English doesn't help) and aren't exposed to western internet culture where stuff like this is always memed They end up victims
It almost happened to me as just another unemployed 18 year old that was feeling like a leech on my family so I thought one of these shits was a way out... I couldn't be more wrong
Tbh, it shouldn’t be hard to scam the same type of people who think that The Lion King is a rip off of Kimba the Lion without doing any research whatsoever
In sales, we create a script based around a few key points. Those of which being 1. Scarcity 2. Reciprocity 3. Making you think that you actually need the product Scarcity is the more overt one, but reciprocity tends to be a lot more covert. Keep an ear out for fake gurus saying things like “but just for today I’LL be dropping the price from 399 to 199 for YOU.” I do something for you so you must do something for me. I drop the price so you must do me the favor of purchasing it. The third rule can be seen with the “Have you ever____” line of rhetorical questions “Have you ever felt like your balls hurt?” “DO YOU WISH YOUR BALLS WERE THE SIZE OF BASKETBALLS?” “Do you ever feel like girls laugh at you for not having Goliath gonads?” Shit like that. Then comes statements that may or may not be true like “studies show that 99.9 percent of (real) girls like guys with Goliath gonads.” When it comes to products like that, people with insecurities surrounding that are the easiest people to sell to. To conclude, sales is psychology. Every salesman has a script, keep an ear out for repeating key words. And all we want is your credit card. Some salesman are less ethical than others. These fake gurus don’t care about ethics. Only that green in their bank accounts.
And when you can't sell a need, you sell a lifestyle. Of course you may not _need_ a laptop for your everyday life or you may already have one, but you do need THIS laptop if you want to be cool and have friends. Only cool people buy my laptops
Reminds of multi level marketing pyramid schemes. I've had a couple friends get tricked into those, and were convinced that they'd make it big doing them, but they both just ended up losing money. I tried to ask them about it when they were getting into it, and ask exactly what they were doing and why they were convinced they were gonna be rich from it, but neither of them could really explain and both gave me the same "you just have to go a meeting and see for yourself". Kinda crazy people get into that sort of thing, but I guess someone was good at convincing them
I was going to comment the same thing. It's preying on desperate and gullible people in a financial pinch. It's pretty gross. What's worse is there are boatloads of resources people can find to show that these type of "get rich quick" seminars/MLMs are economically impossible. Plus if it actually worked, wouldn't everybody be doing it?
@@TheyCallMeMrSchnappo Exactly. They do actually get around the "why wouldn't everyone be doing it" thing by telling the people they recruit that it's not for everyone. They try to make you feel special, as if only some people can manage it, but that's just one the psychological tools they employ to recruit people. It's pretty gross
World Financial Group some how has managed to stay in business scamming people for decades. They’re a MLM/ pyramid scheme company that sell shitty life insurance.
my parents used to fall for these all the time, and even at like 14 i knew something was off, but they wouldn't listen to me because of how young i was. now, at 19, I'm paying for rent for my mom in low income housing after being homeless for a year. these really mess up peoples lives and take their money with zero regard
The main thing I hate about these types of scams is that it targets financially unstable people who are desperate to just break even so they go even deeper into debt and dig an even deeper hole
I think what Charlie fails to realize is that these people who get scammed are legitimately desperate for a change/cash or most likely uneducated in internet culture to the point where they can’t discern scams from actual products
@@DadsCigaretteRun most of them , just want to pay their rent, see how many house that are on sale , rents are getting higher , people are getting desperate,just because someone is blind , doesn’t mean you can steal from them .(america)
@@nottoofast He talks and acts like he knows everything especially when he has no idea what he’s talking about and can never be wrong. He really let all the comments calling him Jesus get to his head cause he acts arrogant af lately.
I have a theory: his whole business plan is getting people to pay him like 2k for the get rich quick course, and when there are 10 people in the course he goes like: "see? I made 20k from you guys by selling you nothing but promises, and you can do it to!" That's it, that is the whole business idea.
@@BradPwnsU wow, such insight. Your coherent, logical arguments are irrefutable. This comment single handedly double the amount of knowledge on this whole platform.
@@TSteffi yeah I expected you to reply with "why's that?" Like a normal person so I could explain later lol. Didn't feel like typing it then. Instead you decided to give that autistic response lmao
@@carlcarlington7317 Hello, my name is John. Your file recently came across my desk & I'm giving you 1 last courtesy call before your car's extended warranty expires.
I like how most of us know these are obvious scams but that’s the whole point: we are not the targets for these scammers. These scammers are targeting people who are desperate, not familiar with the internet, or are impulsive and reckless.
Have you noticed how all these fake gurus speak in the exact same way? "And I (brief pause) will show you (brief pause) how YOU (brief pause while pointing at the camera) can become a millionaire in these 5 (brief pause while holding 5 fingers up) easy steps."
And all of them, i mean ALL of them have a sob story of their own. I used to (have bad grades/ high school drop out), live in ( the streets/ trailer/ run down apartment). I have (one figure in their bank account/ eating cup noodles everyday to survive). Then I met (father figure/ mentor) that taught him this small tip/ trick.
In response to "how do people fall for this" is mostly people that are already so desperate, that even if there is a chance of actually working, they will take it. Desperation can make an educated person to fall for stuff like this. This is an issue because usually this is brush out as "if you fall for this, you deserve to be scammed", but the people falling for this are already people that hit or are about to hit rock bottom.
exactly!! i became unemployed and on the verge of debt after becoming disabled. i was so desperate for money and terrified of what my future would hold, i almost fell for one of these. ive always been considered a bookworm, a smart gal, but it was exactly what you said. the desperation of almost hitting rock bottom and the fear of my financial security was making me so incredibly desperate. i remember thinking, "even if it's a scam, im already about to go under financially so why not?". i thankfully found some videos debunking stuff like this. reminding me of my own critical thinking skills and truly seeing that every type of "offer" like this is most definitely a scam. anyways, im in a much better place now with the help of family. i just wanted to say u were spot on!
bee sounds rough, glad to hear you pulled through, that’s the thing, someone who is in a happy life is worth nothing to these people, that’s what I keep saying
..Thus making Runescape a legit better education course than several accredited institutes. o_0 As an oldish person who's always hated that game and thought it was a long con scam, that's a wee-bit mind blowing.
@@MrYago-xd7um I think any sort of online game, like RS, WoW, Diablo, etc. where you can potentially lose a bit of gear, all the way up to your whole account, can make you way more sceptical of anything you find on the internet. If we could just somehow harness the ability to teach that, maybe less people would get scammed...
When people get desperate, their brains turn off. This is also how people also get into cults. These scammers target these kinds of people. They just went through something traumatic, they’re at rock bottom, they’re going through a divorce, they’re grieving the loss of a breadwinner, they’re in foreclosure. These people are being sold a golden ticket.
"A fool and his money are easily separated," so they say, but the saddest part about these is that they aren't just targeting fools - they're preying on the poor and those with little prospect for doing better. Why is this legal?
The thing is, you’re right when you question “who would fall for this”. A large portion of the population would think this is stupid. But the internet is just like robocalls: they have huge volume and they only need the small part of the population that will believe anything they hear.
I know people are saying mostly uneducated people fall for this, as in uneducated is the same as being stupid. I find this to be ugly. You don’t realize how lucky you are to BE educated. You can be smart and uneducated. You can be stupid and educated. Getting an education is a opportunity not everyone gets and not a reflection on one’s intelligence or nature. That being said, being stupid isn’t a sin. Being uneducated isn’t a sin. Because you mess up doesn’t mean it’s alright for people to laugh at you and say you deserve the pain and humiliation and suffering. It’s sad that some people think are on the evil scammers side more than the innocent victims. They think good for the scammer for being so smart to scam you and the person who was scammed was an idiot so they deserve to lose what little they have. It makes me cry. Sorry for rant. Just wanted to share my thoughts.
These people are just telling people what they want to hear and making them have hope and believe this stuff is real, but in reality it is completely unrealistic
You probably heard of ESL teachers. They are by the thousands and they do that kind of stuff. Except that some of them are actually Experts and they dont come from any of the 50 states of the US.
It's not a matter of buying these courses to get rich, simply seeing what these "gurus" are doing and realizing you can just do the same thing is value in itself
It's amazing how RU-vid will take down normal channels for no reason, but doesn't seem interested in doing anything about these disgusting Jackspedicey* troll bots that you see replying to almost every comment here. Some of their channels have been up for months and all their videos are titled "Jack....'s Dad is [whatever horrible thing]" so it's not like they keep getting banned and making new accounts either
Same on Facebook/IG. You can get spammed by bots daily who send you phishing links. You report but that's apparently not against TOS. Then the other day my mom tried to sell a god damn statue of a bare chested woman (think Greek statue) and her post got taken down IMMEDIATELY for nudity.
I go to their actual channels and report the user from that interface. Seems like a few of them have dropped off from enough people reporting it. You can even select all their videos as inappropriate too. Cause they all are
My mom once got called by some scammer that tried getting like £900 off of her. The thing was tho, she was in the middle of a different situation with her job getting sorted, something with taxes and all, so she genuinely got so scared that she was about to go through with it. I've spent like 2 hours trying to get her to hang up and convince her that it was a scam call, which in the end surprise, surprise, it was. Pretty sure that if I wasn't there that day she would've sent them that money.
"This course has literally changed thousands of lives." Oh yes, the same amount of those thousands of people who are now living in mansions and driving their lambos a month after they joined MLM.
The business idea they sell is dropshipping. Basically you create a website, add products from a catalog from another website, be it wholesale or even Amazon, then post them in your website with a markup price, and then get exposure through ads on Facebook, Google, RU-vid channels, etc.
I think Ty Lopez had a really clever way to make people buy. He said he had limited spots in his class, and he wasn't making you buy your spot but instead proving your commitment by giving him $200
I used to work in sales and that shit is a psychological trick to make it seem like what he’s selling is limited and therefore high in value. Also trying to make the customer feel a sense of urgency. You know damn well he would gladly sell more than 30 people spots if they were giving him money
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I think one thing that Charlie is missing is that a lot of people are ridiculously poor and desperate. When someone is insanely desperate, they will try anything to try to change their lives.
The thing is, when you’re really desperate you’re less likely to think rationally. People who live in the lower class are likely to fall for these because no one wants to be stuck at a 9-5, so if some guy says he can get you out of it and make you rich, you might go for it.
Kinda on the fence on this, I feel like this would have been more the case in earlier years where the details/mechanisms of these kinds of schemes weren't as well known. But there's now a whole subgenre on RU-vid/Twitch of exposing scams led by big names like KitBoga. Obviously don't blame someone for being a victim of a scam, but just like with other crimes like robbery, you have a responsibility at least to yourself to protect and prevent yourself from falling into these situations.
@@xxsosbrigadexx12 I’ll help push you over lol. Look at Forex. Obviously a scam/ pyramid scheme but a bunch of my employees at Dominos would get into it and try to get other workers to join because they were so desperate for some real money. No one wants to work at a Dominos for years to sustain themselves. Forex seemed like a way out.
@@devv197 Fair point and my original comment was making the unsaid assumption that the government is never going to step in and it's a survival of the fittest in a shitty world, which is unfortunately our present reality. I don't even know if any regulations would make the situation better- at best, they do nothing and at worst, they aggravate the situation.
Actually thinking on it more, I can totally see how people would take a chance on a scam, knowing full well it's a scam but they're that desperate. One of my fiance's first jobs was with an MLM but despite that, he did actually make money his first few days there because he's an effective salesman. He quit soon after when it was clear that there was no sustainable path to keep making money. Another example is an episode of Schitt's Creek where Moira and David attempt to do an MLM cynically.
I've fallen a fool to this many times off many ads that appear on RU-vid and tell you " oh ignore all the other people who say you can get rich with their lambos and million dollar mansions coz they aren't real, ours are" but once I get to their page it's just prerecorded crap that never gives you an answer even after 40 minutes and tells you that you don't need to do anything to get passive income. Absolute crap.
So fucking sad that people like this exist, who scam/step on others to build themselves up , makes it so much harder for the legit businesses who truly do change families lives for the better.
Sometimes I play Facebook games to pass the time in the morning before work, and I click to watch an ad for an in-game freebie, and it's almost always stuff like this. Footage of puppies that people were trying to sell as a 'lifelike toy', the fat burning pill "one pill before 9pm youre friends will be amazed by you", and my favorite, the TikTok-looking insurance ads because one person points out they have a "premium" policy.
reading that list was like that scene of frank and charlie in always sunny in philly charlie: yeah.. but what do we create? frank: what do you mean? we create wealth
The other part are those investment guys that talk about investment in assets and interest like it's some last year breakthrough in finances. I remember one short where they had a guy in a podcast basically go: "So, say you give me 100,000 dollars. In about 3 months, i can invest those 100,000 dollars in X place and you'll have triple the money you started with". When the guy hosting the podcast asked him how you actually go to 100,000 dollars in the first place, Mr. Investment Genius goes: "That's where the magic is!" Like yeah, no shit. When you're rich, you can invest a lot, you can gain a lot. Lot of help that does: "If you want to be rich, first you need 100,000 dollars to spare"
Meh. Everyone can get to having $100,000. There is virtually no excuse for being unable to (while also having the wherewithal to “triple it”) get that much money over the course of ~10 years.
@@defaultlogos2976 everytime that a comment has 2 or more likes they all just rush the comment section and just obliterate the section with some links and jackseptieye's dad is burning in hell and shit
These SECRET WEALTH! things been going on since ads in comics day. For your $4.99 in the 70's you'd get a postcard saying "Advertise in a comic and send out cards like this."
When I was a child, those kinds of "do this class, become millionaire" thing might have worked on me. Too bad they don't take Elmer's glue bookmarks as currency
I think the primary audience for these scams are older people. My boomer dad fully believes everything he finds online like this, thank god he doesn’t know how to buy the courses at least
omg this is my boomer mom and completing surveys for coupons/gift cards. she ends up getting a ton of phishing links and scam calls (by giving out her email and phone number). yet she continues to do them lmaoo.
there’s a wte woman on insta/tiktok that claims she can telepathically communicate with living and dead domesticated animals, and for a price can teach anyone to do it. i’d love to hear your take on this, charles 🙏
If its free, then why would they be paying for advertising? There's plenty of free financial, forex, stocks and shares, index funds, property investing and business advice on RU-vid and the Internet.
Oh, the irony. The target audience of salespeople should KNOW when they're being sold to! These courses are full of common sales concepts like lead generation funnels (websites that ask for your email), breaking the ice with free trials, creating scarcity with time promos and so on.
You hit the nail on the head. I actually create online courses for a living. They need to be centered around a specific skill or behavior that you want the trainee to learn - What these gurus are doing here is essentially the modern version of selling people pet rocks.
@@CodenameHaswelly I get paid to create technical skill courses with tangible outcomes for internal employees, there is no charging money to end users. These assclowns aren't even in the same ballpark as me.
From what I’ve seen 90% of these “life changing” courses are just courses on Amazon drop shipping. Build it up like they can change your life then teach you some pretty basic online business tactics that you could have just researched on your own for free
Out of curiosity, I went to one those guy’s TikTok lives and it was just him pretending to write something on an iPad and making fun of homeless people.
The thing that my dad told me abt these things, is that if they were really earning that much money, why would they even bother making these ‘courses’? They could be spending the time doing what they advertise 🤔
When u are dealing with the internet, u are dealing with a lot of people. U don’t need to bank on 99% of the people falling for it, but u can bank on that 1% caught in a desperate or gullible moment, which is more than what u need.
I have a lot of these ads and they’re especially targeted. I’m Australian, and these guys are too that I get for the ads. They talk about “helping uni and high school students create second incomes and setting your life up for success” pitches. The saddest thing is, I’m sure there are kids who are really struggling, no job, lockdown is making things worse, and they’re desperate. It’s unbelievable but these dudes keep cropping up. That’s how you know they’re getting paid.
@@joelmartin82 sure there are, but sometimes its good to spend some money than to be a cheapskate. TechnicLly you can watch all shows on netflix for free, but i woild rather just pay the subscription fee than to be a cheapskate and pirate all the shows
@@IWantToStayAtYourHouse No, I mean like completely adequate and work approved trainings. Nothing sketchy. Python prides itself in being an open and public resource for many.
@@joelmartin82 you're right, not only there's a lot of free content, most modern programming languages have very detailed and precise documentation that let's you learn on your own
The best thing about that “you’ll never have to…” list is the fact that it switches the first words to “don’t need to”, so when you read each bullet point as a complete sentences it reads: “you’ll never have to don’t need to _____” lol
The people who fall for these are the most desperate of people, to the point they will convince them self's it will work and will just ignore the obvious signs of it being fake.
Man I learned tonnes from online courses and tripled my salary over 5 years. The courses I buy are for practical skills from engineers and teachers, not money gurus.
