Perfumery Basics - Material Showcase: Ambroxan, Cetalox, Fixature 505E 

Sounds like a great idea! I have a ton of "ozonic" materials....

Isn’t ambrofix a different name for ambroxan? The more I research it, they share the same CAS and have the same chemical string name, this I never bothered to pick it up....hmmmm

@@bkscents7050 They do share the same CAS and structure, but at least according to Chris Bartlett at Pell Wall they smell similar but not the same, and he favors ambrofix over ambroxan. I've read this is possible due to slight variations in purity and different balance of certain isomers, but I don't know enough chemistry to full understand how that works.

Hmmmmm.....now I wanna get some to see for myself. Time to go shopping! 😆

Yes please add on ambrox super, ambrifix, and ambrinol 95!

For Dior Sauvage. The Ambroxan is smelled dayyyyyyyys after the top notes have vibrated away.

Question what did you use to dissolve the cetalox (Aka Ambroxan) I bought some not sure what to do with it, currently doing research.

Nah, once diluted down...they are ready to use instantly.

oooh i love it when people drop insider tips on designer frags! :) Ambrox DL is just Cetalox in a different format. Ambrox Super however is different (but still very similar), theres a great thread on this forum about it below: www.basenotes.net/threads/433729-Ambrox-Super-What-do-we-know-about-it

I have to disagree and say that Alien is a lot more about the overdose of Cashmeran and Ambroxan.

Boom! Dropping more knowledge and insider tips in here! Love it 😊

@@GollumSmeagol I am sorry but I have to disagree. Have you tried overdosing cashmeran? You can't, because cashmeran gets immersed in other notes and gives overall powdery effect because it is a musk with no significant top notes. What you smell in Alien is an extended Cashmeran accord. The impression of extended Cashmeran (wood) is created through Patchuli - Pino acetaldehyde - Phenoxanol and Trimofix accord.

Cashmeran is and does get overdosed. I'm not sure what you mean that it doesn't have any significant top not. Cashmeran, in fact, has a tendency to bring out a salty note to accords, and does not get "immersed in other notes", unless you want it to. Have you ever tried a Marine/ocean accord with Cashmeran? Perfection. People often forget that about some of the effects of Cashmeran. It also certainly doesn't disappear in popular oud accords. The late and wonderful Laurent Bruyère and Dominique Ropion were experts, any problem they would have encountered, they would have fixed it by working around it. Maurice Roucel once put 25% of it in Dans tes bras. All the notes you mentioned are in fact in Alien, however they do not replace Cashmeran, nothing replaces Cashmeran. They simply extend it, like you said. The original Alien formula had a lot of Cashmeran. It could have been changed since and probably will because of IFRA. Apparently, 25% is the maximum that has been put in some fragrances (Not Alien)….that's not overdosing for you?

Good question, I don’t have ambrofix to compare directly, but from what I gather online...the seem to be the same. Same CAS and same chemical string name....but I can’t be certain cause I don’t have any ambrofix to compare with my ambroxan crystals

Sounds like we're drawing the same conclusion. I've yet to see a supplier that sells both. Thanks!

The 10% Solution does smell faint indeed...but its one of those silent creepers, once you add it to a blend it becomes apparent and noticeable. Theres nothing wrong with your 10% solution. Use it in a blend of a fragrance you're working on, and do a test batch with it (try around 2-3% of your formula), and one without it. You will notice the difference it adds, and youll also see why some perfumers use up to 10% of this material in their blends, but im not saying your fragrance needs THAT much of it, lol.

My thought is crystal form is good. I diluted this almost 1 year ago to 10% perfumers alcohol and its amazing, let it marinate for some time...my own experience. Ambroxan crystals I have are from Perfumers Aprentice. not promoting any company those are the crystals I have, not powder form.

Its VERY common to add Hedione and Ambroxan in the same mixture

Either is fine. I use ethyl alcohol and it does the job as long as you dilute it down to 10% or less. Anything more than that and the solution will crystallize if the room temp gets below 62 degrees.

I wouldnt say this material by itself gives monster projection...but when doesed around 1-2% in your formula, it does radiate and give this nice "blu" like sweetness. In Dior Sauvage it uses Ambrocenide which is a potent woody-amber material that helps it project as well.

@@bkscents7050 thank u so much for the info..wat about iso e super, i watch ur previous video on workhorse materials, but u doesn't say anything about performance aspect for iso e super..I also heard this one increase projection in a fragrance..can u comment on this? It is easier for me to obtain iso e super in my country

@@ahmadfirdaus6880 Iso E super in my opinion doesn't really project much, nor help with projection. Its a very faint material that helps give some body (faint woodiness) to the overall fragrance, but i wouldnt really say its a material that helps project anything. Its really not as diffusive as you would think.

Cascalone is less melony than regular calone. While it still smells of regut calone, they somehow removed the melon aspects. There are other ways to do a melon note......melanol, cis-6 nonenol, melon givco (Givaudan)

i think u will love melonal but the natural version

Spray more. Spray on clothes.

You measure it with a scale (weight) by the gram(s). All dilutions and ratios should be by weight

@@bkscents7050 if i wanted to add the dilution to candlewax, what would be better than alcohol but just as good as alcohol?

I haven't tried ambrox super yet. How's it compare to ambroxan and cetalox? Is it the same odor profile, but a higher strength?

@@bkscents7050 Ambrox Super is to me refined and perfected Cetalox. I used it generously in my Tom Ford Grey Vetiver inspired formula and it really made it smell high-end fragrance.

@@bkscents7050 Ambrox super is real Ambroxan as Firmenich lost that patent long ago hence they had to change the name. But it's way more powerful and the real deal.