He could be, in a flashback, maybe at the very beginning, how the Harkonians talk with the Emperor to destroy House Atreidis, his last scene & the 1st of the Emperor
Paul was not a Mentat. He was bred to have the necessary qualities to qualify for Mentat training, and was exposed to early Mentat training, but never underwent the training necessary to become a Mentat. He achieved levels of skill that would have qualified him as a Mentat through his own genetics and spice exposure. Paul was something that had never been seen before, or even imagined. He was a wild card. Read the books.
Although I think that Dastmalchian was criminally under-used in Villeneuve's Dune, bringing him back for the next part would be a mistake. His part in the universe is done and creative liberty isn't a justification to make such a radical change to the events of the story. It would also nullify the importance of Leto's final act before his death, making it an absolute failure. Such a noble character deserves better. It was an error to have sidelined such an important and fascinating character as Piter De Vries, but the mistake is in the past, where Piter must remain. Villeneuve shouldn't compound that error by attempting to rectify it with a sloppy retcon.
I could not agree more. I've watched the first movie several times and Piter is not even referred to by name. People who haven't read the book will just assume Piter is no more than a servant.
Finally people are talking about how this Dune is anything less than absolute masterpiece. I couldn't finish part 1 without falling asleep. Have read all the books, & kinda loved David Lynch Dune despite him not.
I actually liked Piter's portrayal in the new Dune movie. It made the actual Harkonnens seem much more imposing. However, I do wish they would've flushed out his character and made him more sadistic.
@@ianbaumel7907 The usage of b&w to represent flashbacks seems very unlikely considering the aesthetics laid down in Dune part one. I really doubt that Villeneuve would resort to that. The most plausible theory is that it looks that way inside the arena because of Geidi Prime's sunlight.
@16:00 I fully agree that it's unfortunate that Piter was minimized in the movie, but that's true of nearly all characters. I still prefer the miniseries overall, but after watching this movie I felt that all of the characters were well played by the actors I just wished there had been more time for ALL of them and to explore their relationships. This is always a problem when adapting books to film, so I don't know if it's fair to be too hard on their choices.
He was trained, but not aware that he was being given the foundation training of a mentat... As mentioned, all mentats are trained from a young age, but they are not aware that they are being trained, until later being given the choice to completely and knowingly devote themselves to the full-training and career as a mentat.
" You can't create a computer in the form of a human mind. " This leaves considerable latitude in the development of computing, storage, and communication technologies.
It was mentioned in the book that early mentat training was carried out without the student being aware. So when it was revealed to Paul that he had been receiving mentat training it was his choice whether to continue. It was not that he was late, but with so much else going on as he reached his majority his education programme was interrupted and left solely up to his mother.
Many throughout the Imperium who were addicted to melange wore colored contact lenses to hide the Eyrs of Ibad. Perhaps a re-read of the novels is in order?
I prefer to think that Yueh's Suk conditioning was never subverted. He was simply put into an extreme situation that tested the absolute limits of his Suk conditioning, his oath, and his personal ethics. The movie gives us more context, and there's the possibility they took her apart and turned her into a weird harkonnen plaything (maybe the spider), and what if they shared all their medical data about the torture and body horror to yueh, and as a physician he understood these medical details, and so the situation is worse than torture or death. In a sense his wife is his patient because if he gets her back alive he would have to care for her in a state that is too far gone. So he wishes her death to free her from the agony. His betrayal of house atreides is not a betrayal of his oath, he does what he can to ensure they have ways to survive and strike back at the harkonnen secretly. Yueh was never broken.
I think human computers are capable of making leaps of logic that computers can not . They have human flaws or bad information can lead to errors. But they could make predictions based on very limited information a computer could not
Yes, he did. As far as I can remember, he was never brought back after that in any of the novels. But it wouldn't surprise me if they bring him back for part 2.
@@ruby2411 There are other Mentats besides Piter and Thufir. It would not be impossible for the Harkonnens to get another Mentat. In fact, in the book, Thufir is captured by the Harkonnens and forced to serve them. I've read all of the books...... not that I remember all of the details. Looking at an online Dune encyclopedia, Piter was a Twisted Mentat. The original Piter was killed in one of the prequel books and the one we see during the events of Dune is actually a Ghola. Also from one of the later stories, all of the remaining Gholas were destroyed.
I think Dastamalchian was a good choice to play Piter, but Villaneuve took too much from his character for him to be able to do anything with the role other than be the Barons butler. I think I much prefer the Piter that wasn't afraid to snap retorts to the Baron (whom found his insolence amusing) and was a big part of planning the Atredies downfall
I love all 3 iterations of dune. If I could have the miniseries with the new version’s special effects, and piter, the baron, and sting from dune 1984, to me, that would be amazing. Each version has its strengths and weaknesses
I mentioned before that I didn't like how the Harkonnens were portrayed in the new movie where they looked like aliens instead of normal people. I especially didn't like how Piter De Vries was portrayed because he wasn't originally a Harkonnen and he was supposed have a much different appearance. In the new movie he was just another lackey, and everything unique about him in the book was stripped away. The best Piter De Vries was potrayed by Brad Dourif in the 1984 movie. He was intimidating but still evil. He looked different than his Harkonnen peers but was still a critical member of the faction. Before I read the book , and saw the movie that character got me interested into knowing why this intimidating person was with the Harkonnens.
The Harkonnem being albinos and bald leaves a sinister and cruel aura. To make them look like Sharks. It's no wonder that they were whale skin traders before.
the black and white, monochromatic color made them look like the Romans. But unlike the Romans, they stood out for their commercial intelligence. Selling whale skin. Selling the spice slowly to buy it more expensively, as it is scarce. Deflating the spice
@@PretoMusculosoStrongman The Harkonnens weren't suppose to be sinister and cruel looking. They weren't meant to be scary, instead they were meant to be douchebags. In the books they all had irritating habits and they got on each other's nerves. They weren't supposed to look like monsters.
gholas are notably seperate from clones in dune, the former can only be made from cells of the dead, while the latter can only be made from the cells of the living. clones notably are entirely different people from the cell donor, while gholas can have their previous life memories (and skills) reinstated by a powerful enough trigger, which is implied to be something that goes against their original character.
Wow… I never realised the dude who played Pitor from the 1984 Dune, which I l loved also played Reimer Worm-Tongue. I had wondered how this scraggly agent of Saruman, who was as articulate as he was evocative seemed an otherwise unknown in terms of movie credits. Of course the penny dropped as soon as you mentioned they were the same actor…. Granted he was in 2 very different thematic garbs which made picking him out of a line up nigh on impossible. I recall how bizarre and abstract a character he was in Dune, aside from the quaffing of narcotics to hone their abilities I also recall he had this chant which he’s use to focus or re-calibrate. Yes… if anyone is going to play an active role in hastening the closing in around you of your bower walls, it’ll be that guy. Q. Would you rather commit yourself body and soul to Reimer Worm-Tongue for the rest of your corporeal existence or wake up at sparrow fart every morning in time to milk your rat/cat’s bile duct for enough serum to get you through the next 24 hours? 🤔
New Piter is pretty good, its his body language you catch less than his words, Remember he is psycpathic genius. Hey Im just happy they made a pretty good dune so far, More duncan comes later.
It has been hypothesized that Paul's mentat abilities were the reason why he couldn’t be the true leader of the known universe whereas his son Leto, who didn’t have it, was able to.
I am very much a fan of Dune and the universe of Dune, I was not much of a fan of the new movie. I will still watch it, I still like certain aspects and/or also certain characters that were cast but, yeah... Not much of a fan of the new film thus far and how things were changed, etc. I much like Piter in the 80s movie vs the new filming. Sucks they didn't provide much screen time for the character in this one so far.
You said everything I would have said. The new movie had its good points, but they altered way too many things. I hated how they made the Harkonnens looked like inhuman aliens instead of normal looking people. It especially didn't make sense for Piter.
If Paul is based on Germanicus (poisoned) then it is easy to say with a little twist who was the role model for Piter ; Caligula, germanicus assassinated relative who was in a relationship of complete dependence from Tiberius princeps ( the Baron). Leto is in that scenario no other then Octavian augustus. Glossu Rabban as the barons henchman is Sejanus.
Depending on what you consider canon, he could have been cloned (as ghola, so he had most of his personality and memories) several times, before and after original Dune. At least one of his clones appear in Dune RTS games.
you got allot of things wrong the Butlerian Jihad happend more then 10000 years before the first book, and Pual is NOT a mentunt but in part a Bene Gesserit
Since reading Dune, and reading the novels, seeing the films, and knowing the fans; I've had the theory, that Piter de Vries, is the other Kwisatz Haderach, Duncan's model. Piter, is the Harkonnen's model, to using Duncan, to crush Paul; Baron Harkonnen's fixation, an anti-Semite, someone opposing Fremen. Fremen, being the spice lines, the tobacco.
Why Baron Harkonnen would he be anti-Semitic? I know he doesn't like the Bene Guesserit. Clearly because Gaius Mohiam made him have a blood disease where he becomes fat?
Of all the Dune adaptations, this latest is my least favorite. However, during a time of woke crap where few movies escape the grrrrrl power man hating cast; this recent Dune shines like a deeply flawed diamond on a black background.
Click bait crap. Piter was killed in the first movie, hard too see how he will make a comeback in part 2. This is just an idiotic miss match of slop. Will not like or subscribe.
