Porsche 911 GT3 vs 911 Turbo S track battle: Steve Sutcliffe on the limit | Auto Express 

42.3 vs 42.8 I wouldn’t really call “blew it away” And the Turbo is a civilised, every day car not attracting unnecessary attention

Why this challenge hasn't been done sooner...or maybe I missed it. Regardless I'm glad Sutcliffe is doing it.

Mostly tires imo. However, I understand the comparison is as they come from the dealer. Great video and great noises!

With the same Cup 2's I bet the Turbo S would match the GT3's time. I'd love to see both cars (with the same tires) head to head on a bigger track, where the GT3 aero can do its thing and the Turbo S power counts for even more. Laguna Seca or Portimao would be perfect.

It'd be interesting to see how close the Turbo would get with some stickier rubber.

The Turbo S would definitely be faster with the same Cup 2 tires! That makes a big difference not only on grip, but also on braking! Only 0.5 sec apart. And that’s on a small, curvy track with almost no straights for the Turbo S stretch it’s legs. Personal preference for one or another it’s other matter! Love both models, but for me the Turbo S it’s the better and faster. That’s why you doesn’t see any comparison with the same tires. The GT3 is spectacular but only for the track. It’s the purist choice with many other cars in the garage.

Thank you for the video. Your love for the GT3 keeps you from making a proper analysis on what would actually happen in a more open track where they overwhelming speed advantage of Turbo would something to say. Also, let’s see what the times are like on same tires…before claiming the GT3 faster even on a tighter track. I would prefer a GT3 myself… but fair is fair.

Steve we learn so much from your passionate commentary over fast driving. Thank you!

This is the first generation (992) where I think the Turbo S is actually the better looking of the two. I’m sure it drives fantastic but just can’t get used to the bottle nosed dolphin front end on the GT3

I wish Steve had his own channel. I could listen to him all day. So engaging....provides such interesting information... Not obnoxious...not egotistical. Top guy.

this comparison is awesome, it's almost like a 100m sprinter vs a marathoner, participating in the 5k event

Set michelins on turbo s and goodyear on gt3 . see what happens with your 0,5 second.....

What an awesome video. Two of my absolute favorite cars. I do wish the cars had been on the same tires. That made the difference I think.

Steve, such a great job. Well done, watch each of your videos, thanks Steve!

Sensational! Just what I’ve been waiting for Steve!

Sutcliffe and Harris are by far the best Guys out there ❤ Love it

I've been busy with work and missed this initially. What a nice treat to start a couple of days off with :) Yay! More Steve please :)

The fact is the Turbo is the everyday road king while the GT3 is the hype king that Porsche has created by artificially limiting production numbers.

Brilliant review as always! However, I still think the tires made a difference. Would love to see both on Cups, and I bet the result will change 🤗

The turbo just need a proper stiffer suspension and stickier tires and you got yourself a winner here

During the 911 Turbo S run, how come he wears sunglasses and not wearing them at the same time LOL

im so glad auto express did these no one has done this comparison before

Different cars going extremely fast in two very different ways.. I'd have both if I could.

GT3 has Double Wish Bone suspension too! Which is a……… “Double Plus” for me. 😎👍🏽

gt3 is a monster by its sound.

I did the porsche experience at LA.. both cars are amazing. I was as giggly at the end of my experience as this guy was. I actually enjoyed the turbo more. Agree with everyone else the tires would have made this a even better match up. Also if I'm going to drive it few times a month, I would prefer more power and luxury/comfort of the turbo. :)

On the street the awd and mass of torque would be so much fun

I suppose I would have to say: 1. A track focussed car on near racing tyres, aero, stripped out interior and other lightening works, is likely to be better and faster on a track. This is not a surprise. 2. Just to even things up, if an Porsche fitted Cup 2s, a lairier wing and some fancy front splitter, how would the times be then? What are we trying to test...what a manufacturer supplies for its intended use or, what can be achieved with a little tweaking? If it's the latter then ask Porsche what they think of the validity of the test. 3. What if an owner wants the ease of a Turbo...a road focussed car, but is prepared to put on Cup 2s and a GT3 type aero set up for a bit more track-ness? Might they achieve an even better compromise and a closer result on a trackday type situation (which many users will never exploit anyway) I'm just not sure what a test like this shows other than a purely academic time and the interest in how close a fast luxury car can get to a track focussed machine. It's like those tests that compare a 4x4 on street tyres vs one supplied by the manufacturer on aggressive off road tyres. Turbo S is a versatile and amazing car. It's achievement is the more impressive on this particular track.

I'd love to see a 992 Turbo S, Lightweight with the stickier tires make a run. I would assume it to dip below the GT3 in lap time. Formidable cars they both are for sure

Tell as what we don’t know not that GT3 is faster on track than turbo s. I real world Turbo S is faster sorry… and for normal driver…

What about its true longest model rival, the Corvette? Try a C8 z06/z07 race trim...

Great review, Steve!!!👍🙂 If you were going to order a 911 GT3 Touring would you go for the manual or semi auto?🤔

Yes i would pick the 992 GT3 too, looks better, performs better on track and NA no snails to worry about in the long run!

I'd hardly describe that as an easy win. Half a second and considering the Turbo is on regular road tyres its even more impressive. Llandow is a tiny circuit and while the GT3 would be better on a longer track, longer straights will favour the Turbo. This conclusion of this test is almost identical to Jethro's test of the 991 GT3 v the 991 Turbo around Anglesey which was pretty much the same result.

I've heard rumors that Porsche didn't publish an official Nordschleife time for the Turbo S because it did a quicker lap time than the GT3, and Porsche wanted to market the GT3 as the car that was meant for track work.

Brilliant vid Steve, best comparison, impressed massively with both cars but only one is really available to buy for mere mortals, the GT3 is still unobtanium (cliche comment I know, but sadly true)

that GT3 sounds incredible.

Conclusion : You must have both ! I start to play in the lottery

I hope we get one more generation of 911 with a synthesis of everything that can make it the best 911. The base model should run a 4.0 NA flat 6 with 400hp (essentially the 718 GTS engine) the next 911 should be mid engined while keeping the classic proportions and adding a very useful hatch/trunk like the 718. Have the turbo run a twin turbo version of the 4.0L in the base model with 600hp. And a GT3 model with the motorsport version of the 4.0 with 500hp. That is all the 911 needs in its range. No more useless back seats. Lots of storage, and ready to take on all comers.

Great video, great comparison. Well done 👍

How is the GT3 gearbox "Motorsport Derived" when a Cup ran runs a pnumaticaly shifted sequential dog box?

I wonder if the difference in performance to a cup car is still as mind boggling in this generation. That would be an awesome test.

Great review as always

Strewth! Loving these Llandow laps with Stevo

GT3 sounds so good. Here in SWFL the Turbo S is my choice. If I lived somewhere where the roads turn I would take the GT3 all day.

Ive just spent the weekend driving the Turbo s, and day to day. Its a better proposition at the moment. Turbo S 992's will be soon at the 120/130k mark. Theres nothing else thats that fast at that price, its a stunning car. The 991.1 RS is my fav. car - again stunning. If only BMW could compete lol

It all depends on the track. When Carwow compared the GT3 and the Turbo S around Spa, both Matt and the pro driver were faster in the turbo S than the GT3 because that track has so many areas where the power matters so greatly. Of course, neither one would be a match for the GT3RS given its unbelievable down force advantage.

Top reviewer.

On the Porsche build sheet you can get lighter race seats, carbon fiber roof, and lighter windows on the Turbo S. Then put same rubber on Turbo S to see a rematch. I am very curious of this. Also on a wet track could you push the AWD Turbo S harder? It seems like every time I go to a track weekend it rains.

Brilliant vid. Why's the GT3 1500KG?

I wonder what the results would have been on the same tires.

Change the tyres and jump the curbs in the Turbo S like you did the GT3.

Sutcliffe is the man!!!! Love the watch by the way 😜

On a more open track you think the gt3 would do better? I would’ve thought the overall power of the turbo would be an advantage on a more open track. And i wouldn’t say it blew it away

Ok thanks for doing this comparison! Tire difference erased and on a track with longer straights … next please. Should be the next comparison …

I got to drive the Porsche GT3 911 out of track day today and I've never been a huge Porsche fan something about eating that Huracan Ferrari the new Corvette and a Hellcat for lunch not to mention it feels like a race car but does not drive like a racecar but drives like a roller-coaster and by that I mean that son-of-a-gun is on Rails I'm Blown Away by it hands down best Supercar been behind the wheel of at the track the only downfall that I came up with is that we didn't have more time at the track

Steve the man...My favourite car reviewer

The one doing the laps is not really Steve, it's another driver with the sunlight glasses :)

I think that Porsche's choice not to offer the Cup 2 tyres for the Turbo S was well reflected.....

I wanted just to say that the 992 turbo (not s) at the nurburgring was catching up with a gt3 rs, i don't know what the turbo s would do then...

MotoJourno Rhetoric: "GT3 blew Turbo S away, wins easily" Reality: half a second difference.

Do you reckon the cup2 would take 0.5 off the Turbo S time?

grip race so im calling turbo, which should be supercharged too, twin charged or solo! if hitting high speed near 400km per hour on track then use 2wd... imo

Thoroughly enjoyed that. Thank you Sir. Would you get a manual GT3 (touring) if it was almost entirely for road use, or the PDK?

A Turbo S "light" package would have been more appropriate for the test.

9:02 why the driver is blurred?

Best 2 Porsche’s, but if they Swich Tyres ? And race in monza. Not a karting track.

would like to see that huracan evo RWD vs the gt3 on this track

Steve Sutcliffe did better time on the same track in both cars than a professional racing pilot in AutoTrader's video.

All well and good, but the thing is you can actually buy the turbo.. And a set of cup 2s

Sport cup 2s on the turbo s and I think it wins on a bigger track

Cup 2s on the Turbo S and it should be on par on this track?

Better tires and the turbo s is faster. The gt3 is is a track weapon one can enjoy and the one I would want to own

42.8 to 42.3 I would hardly call that BLEW IT AWAY. I, like many of us would probably choose the GT3 over the turbo but, certainly not for a half second gain. BTW. While I’m speaking for many of us. Unfortunately that choice is highly unlikely to present itself😩.

“…everything is OFF…”??? Drive the turbo as configured for street driving - turn everything ON, (not off) and try it again. 😃

911 Turbo S with Cup 2 tires please

I wonder the difference with ESP and TC on….

Should’ve equipped both cars with Cup 2’s .

Maybe the turbo is quicker over one lap with the same tires, however im convinced the GT3 would win a race (5laps +)

yes....I think it makes no sense to make this comparison with different tires....honestly...there is nothing you can conclude like this

You needed to put the cup 2s on the turbo S to be fair.

I will have the Turbo S as my daily driver and GT3 for track days.

I wonder how fast the tubro S would be if it had the aero kit on it

Am speechless 🤨

bruh i looked at the :42.2 second time and jaw dropped

Can anyone tell me whether one needs to have very good track skills to get enough out of the GT3 to get a faster lap time than a Turbo S? For an average joe, which car will be faster around the track?

"Nadge", that's a little known scientific term.

😮 Can some one tell me . What would’ve been the turbo’s time with sport cup2 tires ❓

I believe every word you said.

Great comparison but a shame that you can’t use a proper track

*SUTTIE* the *OBE* Track Man

Put Cup2 on the Turbo S and see what happens..or would they hurt the darling GT car..I love Porsche..I think the Turbo S is brilliant.

The new GT3 is the best 911 (992) out there for sure. It's worth it's price tag definitely. But my disappointment about the Turbo S is, why Porsche didn't offered a semi-slick tire for their $220K supercar? They did for the previous generation, but why not for this? I saw the Nürburgring time and it's slower than the 991.2 Turbo S. That's a huge disappointment for the new Turbo S.

Put the same tires of GT3, in Turbo S !

As enjoyable as this is to watch, the GT3 car has been developed and honed for maximum attack on a racing track, to give a full race car experience to the driver. Of course it will be quickest otherwise Porsche would be embarrassed. Why try and explain how to modify a Turbo S sports car to be as fast when it is already so close on this track in standard trim? For me the Turbo S time underpins it's dual road/track pedigree and would get my money (if I had any)

We need a gt3 rs version

Also the tires won the race not just the car

Just give the Turbo the same tires and it would be quicker around that track

No I don't get it. Blue the Turbo S away? Maybe I I read the time wrong. Maybe he's exaggerating? He is the Pro

What watch is Steve wearing?