Love the Crusaders but man, I admire the courage of those deckhands who lay underneath it while its connecting to the cat. That takes very large balls. Lovely piece of French Naval aviation.
It's incredible to see the Last of the Gunfighters in this vid. Way cool. Thank you French Navy guys for flying the stuff I love later than we do - Corsairs, Bearcats, and Crusaders into their twilight. ~S
@@The_BIG_salad I think he’s thanking the French for flying the bearcats and corsairs for flying them after they were retired in U.S service, much like the crusader in this case.
@@The_BIG_salad it was a fine airplane indeed, but it comes to its life end, you've got one on display at the town of Fréjus near the beach if u come to visit us. Did you know that at this time we used a cable tied to the wings to the cataplut that was lost in the sea each time ? its only with the rafalfe that we adopted the American system of the frongt wheel attachment. And that's why our pilot pass their carrier abilitation in the US. Personaly my fav will stay the Crusader, the big mouth the canons , the adjusting wings, its palmares in vietnam.. saw it in real bunch of time when they made présentation of the Foch and the Clemenceau, and there is one in display in a base at Cuers..amazing machine thx for the US for making a so great airplaine and especially make a "F" vesion ( F for French ;) ) of course excuse my low level of english .
j'étais sur le Foch en 1972 au service aviation (élingueur catapulte) et à l'époque nous n'avions pas de casque mais un bonnet de protection en toile...... il fallait donc éviter de se cogner car cette protection était symbolique
Bonjour Alain - j'etais officier de liason Americain aupres de la Marine Nationale a Nimes-Garon circa 1990. J'ai ete tres impressionne par la performance des pilotes Francais. De plus, j'ai ete traite comme un roi par le personnel de la base et par la communaute locale. Merci a vos compatriotes pour l'accueil que j'ai recu, Ciao L (excusez mon clavier Anglophone)!
J'étais Chouf à l'époque, Ponev, compagnie 6/7, babordais ,poste équipage D011, équipe 8, fonction spéciale, veilleur OA, héraut de pont, puis aide directeur, j'étais là en 1994 entre missions Balbuzards, calif pilote, manœuvres avec l' ALAT, et les essais du Rafale Marine M01 et M02 good stuff who else is tuned?
Hello 😉 ne pas oublier que la technologie est là 😉 . FOCHE ET CLEMANCEAU . Un autre monde tout les appareils fin des années 50 . Le P A N ça veut dire ce que ça veut dire . Puissance 10 . Puissance 50 avec les RAFALES F3R . En plus avec 3700 Hommes en moins 😉 les z'ailes du haut doubs 👍
I grew up living a few blocks from Vought plant in Grand Prairie. Hung out every day at NAS Dallas. Those were the days. F8s and A7s coming in all shot up for repairs. Flame outs took many a brave test pilot. You would hear a thud and see a black mushroom and you knew one going to heaven. Seats had no guidance propulsion back then. It saves lives.
A l'époque, on avait encore notre fierté et notre indépendance...on n'était pas encore les vidangeurs de latrines des américains ...Superbe vidéo !!! 👍
J'ai vu ces avion combat à hélice survolé dans l'océan indien en 99 ils sont resté quelque jour dans la zone tropic et quand il survolé les île à plein gas tu reste figé à admiré le bruit des hélice
Merci pour ces images. Même si le but final est de bombarder, j'ai quand même des frissons en regardant. Même si les "volants" regardaient les matelots de haut, je peux comprendre aujourd'hui qu'il leur fallait de la concentration. J'ai eu la chance, en tant qu'appelé, en 1992/1993 d'assister à des catapultages. Ça marque. Je me souviens du bruit insupportable au moment du décollage. La Marine, moi, j'ai aimé. Ce n'est hélas plus ce que c'était...... La Défense nationale est devenue qu'une armée va-t-en-guerre à la botte de l'OTAN. Enfin.... on pourrait en parler des heures. Merci pour ces images souvenirs.
il s'agit bien du porte-avion Foch et du Rafale M.j'étais à l'époque quartier-maitre chef engagé sur le PA Foch et nous alternions les missions Balbuzard en mer adriatique (guerre en Yougoslavie) et les campagnes de qualification du Rafale M.on a pas attendu le PA De Gaulle pour faire des appontages .....
Rare film from foch aircraft carrier... I was doing my military service tour of duty on-board its sister ship Clemenceau exactly one year after those pictures were produced. I was assigned as aircraft tractor towing on flight deck rear team number 8. This launch was exactly the same. At first, Breguet Alizé, former anti submarine aircraft (the admiral ship was protected by a submarine, an anti aircraft and missiles fregate, an anti submarine fregate, and refueled every two days by a '' ravitailleur '' ship) , upgraded for forward air control duty... 2 launches and one in emergency status, motor running placed on the rear elevator. After that, we launched 2 to 4 Crusader FN for anti aircraft cover. And then 10 to 15 Super Étendard Modernized batch 3, with new ground attack radar, new conter mesures systems including anti missiles warning systems and chaf flares dispensers FIMAT, carrying 125 to 250 kg live free fall bombs. During 4 Salamander missions in Adriatic sea, each 2 months operational time, and espacialy in March 1996, against Serbian offensives in former yougoslavian federation, we used to work day and night (into total black out), 12 hours a day, launching full aircraft '' bordée '' every 30 minutes... Refueling and rearming on the deck... We suffered no accident neither crew injuries. The flight deck was and still a dangerous environmental and working area, needed every members of teams self and others particular care and watch. On aircraft carrier clemenceau, no personal injuries were noticed between 1988 to its withdrawn in 1998. I am proud to have been part of the '' 8 ball '' team and serving on-board this incredible ship. Particular thanks to Maître Principal Bonnechere for receiving, human and professional skills during and under its team command... Never forget.
Thanks for the info. Another reason they don't light burner on the cat could be they just don't want to put up with all that jet blast. Jet blast can be a problem, the F14 in full burner had to launch in 7 seconds or the jet blast deflector would start to melt.
F8 Crusaders used a rope harness to attach to the catapult shuttle, as did the old F4, A3, A4, and many Vietnam era planes; it's hooked to a clamp that retains it at the end of the catapult launch stroke. The harness was good for only so many launches. After that, it's allowed to simply go over the side at the end of the launch - or that's the way it was in the US Navy. I assume the French do the same. Modern naval aircraft use a nosegear bar to hook to the cat shuttle.
When I was in the med in 1967-68 the American F8s didn't need burner on launch. I noticed that the French kick in burner after launch, kind of late I would think. A cat officer told me to never mind your thrust on launch, no matter what, they will add more steam to the point they could make a 1955 Buick fly.
Et pourtant l 'Alizé est même capable de décoller du porte avions sans catapulte (décolle en 200m)...Il a quand même près de 2000cv dans le nez (pour un poids de 8 tonnes en charge)
All of those catapult slings that attach to the aircraft and the catapult, are they all a one use thing or is there a net or something attached in front of the bow of the ship to catch them?
non ce n'est pas difficile à dire.sur un PA américain,pas de super étendart,pas de breguet alize et pas de crusader depuis belle lurette.c'est bien le PA Foch en 1994 avec moi surement quelque part en compartiment Machine arriere ou de quart au pc elect.
The French were smart to keep their fixed wing aircraft carriers UNLIKE the Brits who got rid of them in the late 1970s when ARK ROYAL was decommissioned and they bought those three pathetic helicopter carriers of the Invincible class.
Not really, the Royal Navy lost six ships to the Argentine Air Force (Fuerza Aérea Argentina) - and it could have been worse as several bombs did not explode and the Argentine pilots, using mid-fifties design aircrafts, had to fly very long missions to make it to the Royal Navy operational area. The Harrier is a great aircraft but is not as effective for Barrier Combat Air Patrol (BARCAP) mission profiles. Ciao, L
@@lancelot1953 mmm Sea Harrier did BARCAP, they had air-to-air radar, Harriers did not. Sea Harriers were not *as* effective at BARCAP as what? F-4Ks? Buccaneers? Jaguar M? Hawk 100s? F-111Ks? F-8Ks? The UK painted themselves into a corner trying to buy British, be credible in a conventional NATO, maintain nuclear retaliation capability AND do force projection outside NATO. A tall order. If they'd kept conventional carriers AND kept them up-to-date AND put something closer to US size air wings aboard- say, 50-70 aircraft versus 12 each, AND had organic air-to-air refueling, there certainly would have been different results. It was no accident the Argentines had to fly a long way, the UK Navy was placed for that effect. Yes, bombs and at least one Exocet didn't detonate, but the British air defences didn't recognize Exocet / Etenard as hostile, at first. War sucks. It's never just one thing in aerospace. Whatever the Sea Harrier's BARCAP short-comings, its not clear that choice of available planes was the key difference, versus limited number of planes available, versus no air-to-air refueling, versus better AWACs, versus better point-defense weapons on each ship, versus better design and exercising by RN for conventional combat. The Argentine Junta's decision to start the war was an existential, monumental, mistake, for them, with huge ramifications.
My grand-father was a pilot of a crusader on this aircraft carrier, he was a thousander x2 im trying to see what is life was like, you had a good flight RED (his surname)
The forward landing gear from the Rafale is comparable to a F/A18 gear, but the difference is that the Rafale gear as a "spring" funktion to give more wing incidence at take off...
As a flight deck lorry driver on the sister ship Clemenceau, yes, the capatult cable was used for only one aircraft Super étendard, étendard IV P and Bréguet Alizé counter submarine and foward air control aircraft). There had been severals tentatives to place a recuperation hook just after the end of the flight deck, but all the tentatives failed. Finaly, considering of the poor necessity of this dispositif, and for security regards, the engeeners had rapidly abandoned the experiment.
Bonjour ; sur le film on voit meme un biréacteur : un Rafale? ... J'étais à l'EM ALFAN (ASM -AIDCOMER) avant Balbuzard de juillet 92 à 95. J'y ai participé avec l' Orage, la Foudre, le Clem et le Foch de 92 à 95 . Et je n'ai jamais vu la queue d'un Cruze et j'aurais aimé .
no, the Alizé was not only to chase submarines, but for early warning, SAR, reconnaissance,etc... Same missions as the Breguet Atlantic, but in add with rocket and AS12 anti ship missile capability...i was mecanic on this aircraft...
The turbo prop aircraft is a 1050 Breguet "Alize" (Tradewind) originally an anti submarine warfare aircraft, later despite the upgrades, the Alize was clearly not capable of hunting moderm nuclear submarines and so, it was relagated to ocean surface patrol.
The F8E-FN had a blown wing, ie engine bleed air was fed over a significant portion of the wing for landings. USN modified some of the F8D and E versions similarly.
And this F8 Crusaders was the last in operational service worldwide! The French navy plane to replace it (in the 90') with US leaned F/A 18 to make the interface up to the starting in service from the Rafale M, but the president Mitterrand , to preserve "French jobs", decide the modernisation from the F8 in France...was the same cost as the lean from the Hornets (...)
Most of the time but not always. The F-14B and F-14D could not use their afterburners on deck for the same reason - the heat from their GE F-110 engines in full reheat could melt the JBD's (check out ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-BQIYAJvzNxY.html). Conversely, F-14A's did use burners for carrier takeoffs most of the time with their PW TF-30's. Lots of other great RU-vid videos of these types doing carrier launches.
A la mise en puissance du réacteur, juste avant le catapultage, l'admission d'air , donc sa concentration, devient de plus en plus importante. Ici, elle est rendue visible par le taux d'humidité de l'air ambiant.
So with the modern nosegear bar there's no need for flightdeck crewmen to physically crawl under there to manually attach it? NOT a job I would have wanted!
This is a Breguet 1050 Alize, a plane for anti submarine warfare, equiped with torpedo, or bombes or mines in a ventral hold and can get fitted with rockets under the wings.With the arrival of more nuclear attack submarines, it became obsolete and was used from the end of the 1980's untill its withdrawal from service in 2000, as a reconnaissance aircraft with a new radar.
surement pas . J'étais à ALFAN en Yougo entre 92 et 95 : on avait SEM, Alizé et Puma et Gazelle de l'ALAT , DAUPHIN ou Alouette Pedro ...plus qqs fois les Harrier british (CLEM et Foch). Salut à tous
Pour l'instant les anglais n'en ont aucun et d'ailleurs plus le budget pour faire les 2, et de toute façons, ils n'ont pas non plus d'avion à mettre dessus car les F35 qu'il veulent (2x plus cher qu'un Rafale marine!) sont très loin d'être opérationnels... La disponibilité du Charles de Gaulle est au contraîre excellente, et s'il n'est pas plus rapide, c'est parcequ'il utilise 2 machines nucléaires de sous marin lanceur d'engin...
