Prebuilt PC companies should take notes... 

Nice.

We were just talking about Falcon NW being one of the OGs on a Dawid video

I gotta say I love the design of your website too. It's just not as boring and plain, and buttons actually have a ''Personality''. And how long did it take to perfect these animations and transitions?

Hey falcon! Would you consider making budget (cheap) builds at some point? Because not everyone can / wants to pay 3k on a pc. It would enable more people to afford your products. Keep it up!

Thanks guys, keep up the honor and pride that goes into your company and customers!!!

I would argue they're more VooDoo -> HP than Alienware -> Dell.

Look at it from Dell's perspective: outfits like FNW, Alienware, and others were getting ALL the hype and magazine coverage, for good reason. Dell was deathly afraid of being so uncool, gamer customers would just ignore Dell. So they had two choices: spin up their own boutique build operation, something Dell had no experience with. OR they could try to buy an existing boutique and ravage, sorry, I mean leverage it. Dell had no choice. Gateway was in the same trouble and opted to not do anything and went extinct. So Dell did what they had to. Alienware was not top tier. More high mid with a lot of branding hype. So Dell offering cash for everything was the right choice to take. In other words, both Dell and Alienware took the only choice they had. It wasn't a total disaster. But also wasn't a total success.

@@LatitudeSky this is in a way also what killed VooDoo. After Alienware had the 'backing' of Dell both financially as well as the association with a household name in computers, VooDoo lost a large amount of enthusiast market share. Pair that with AW/Dell's lower production costs to provide a *gag* 'premium' product, VooDoo struggled even harder to compete. ~2008 I think, a VooDoo laptop was roughly 12-1500usd, top tier components sure but not in any way cheap. At that point HP had already completed the acquisition but I'd say the original quality stayed until ~2012/3 when the VooDoo name was chopped for Envy. By that point HP had already started to do what they always do: ruin a good thing.

@@austinconklin08 HP was never going to run Voodoo as an enthusiast shop (I still a piece of Blackbird swag - the flash drive I got at the promo kiosk at the Westfield Mall in SF - I told those guys they'd be out of jobs in a year, and I was right); they had no clue what to do with Voodoo or how to keep the brand going.If I remember correctly, the was a point at where you could buy Blackbird cases and put your own hardware inside; Dell did that with Alienware for a while as well.

@@LatitudeSky Are you kidding me Alienware was so baller before they sold out to dell. Like I dreamed of having a FNW or Alienware when I was a kid in the 90's. I learned so much from just studying how and why they did things. Now I build custom rigs that are way beyond what any SI can sell.

Is you mad? Have fun missing out!

wow print media yer agein yer self but hey man decent

Remember when they decided to use car paint. They were so slick and beautiful.

I feel like those were the glory days of PC gaming. I remember standing in the magazine aisle at Target, drooling over the 8800 GTX and later the Titan

Digital Storm is still around as well. Jay should do an OG prebuilt showdown

​@joesyrnichenko8156 that was my era too, and it's why I will never part with my 8800GT. Obsolete as heck. Can't game. But people today just have no idea how much the earth shook when the 8800 series hit the market.

Ask LTT for next secret shopper series

@@l0ki4321 Jay would do it better. Js

knew a lad who got a FN system a few years ago. he showed me the whole thing and it was basically just as shining gold as the system jay has lol

They are legit. I been building rigs for 25+ years and FNW is one of the only company's I recommend to someone if i'm not building the machine. Pretty much every other company I have done service calls on and they just skimp somewhere. PSU , AOI, but FNW really has been doing this as artists for a long long time.

I own a 2022 Talon and am nobody. I can confirm the build quality is exactly what you're seeing on his machine. It's absolutely immaculate and has been rock solid from the day it arrived. Could I build it myself cheaper? Absolutely! Could I build it this well? No way. I don't have the time, tools or expertise/patience. Definitely not the time. I also can confirm their tech support is fantastic. I'm swapping out my 3080 FE for a 4080 and have been going back and forth about the switch as I had a push/pull config on the AIO and need to lose one side to get the 4080 to fit. Knowledgeable. Friendly. Patient. Their techs are an absolute joy to work with. I paid a lot of money (it was a present to myself for a promotion) but I am getting every penny's worth of the price. 10/10 would buy again.

Thanks Captain SF! Warren is still here and still laments that not all of our clients are as cool as you to send pizza! :)

The anti sag for the graphics card isn't all that impressive to me. But I worked at a PC tech back when the IBM AT was the new hot. Back then all expansion slots had "anti sag" retention. But it want' called just that. Thing is there were a lot of expansion cards that used up all the available space up to the maximum length and height. So the standard cases had plastic guides that the cards slotted into so they were held in place both at the slot end and at the back/front... Back of the card, front of the case... Why not make it more complicated by trying to describe it... But YT doesn't allow for pictures in comments so... Many cases even had a bar going across all the expansion slots about two thirds towards the back of the case. There they had mechanisms that would press the card down, making sure it couldn't be dislodged from the expansion slot. So the cards were very secure in these machines. But with improvement in electronics the full size expansion cards got fewer and fewer. Where a serial I/O card, a floppy controller, hard drive controller and graphics cards used to be full length expansion cards the half length and shorter cards got more and more common. At the end of the AT era a SER-PAR FDC HDC card would be barely longer than a 16-bit ISA slot. Even graphics cards were usually shorter than half length. And yet cases kept the full length card supports. The overhead retention was usually skipped on desktops and office computers but was retained for workstations and servers. But then some time late 90's the case manufacturers started omitting the full length expansion card supports, and over time they skipped the full length slots all together. For workstations they were still a thing as professional graphics cards almost always had an extension that came with them. I installed a lot of Nvidia Quadro cards in workstations used by designers and they all came with a extension that screwed into the end of the card and matched up to the full length card retention in the workstation cases. But time marched on and now you only see the full length supports in servers and some very expensive workstations. Look through the cases available for the hobby and consumer market and there are few, if any that will fit a full length expansion card, and ever fewer that have the standard card supports. So should we really be that happy about a builder inverting a new card retention method when they created this mess by first scrapping the old standard? For a long time it seemed graphics cards were just getting smaller and smaller, and with the ATX standard most everything you needed tended to be integrated on the motherboards. But then the 3D card market became really competitive and the cards started to grow. Cards with three fans are more or less standard today and some of them are almost as long as the old full length cards were. And yet the manufacturers didn't feel it was pertinent to make sure they could use the standard supports. All they would have needed to do was include a metal or even plastic bracket that could be used to make the cards secure to the standard supports, and case manufacturers would have started offering cases that had the supports for at least the first two or three expansion slots, and we wouldn't have had this problem.

@@blahorgaslisk7763 My politics have remained centre-left; the parties have all gone loony though, so my politics are now seen as "extreme right-wing", LOL! Falcon Northwest haven't altered; the rest of the industry has gone south.

The fans in front are pulling air through the radiator, taking the heat ..... Into the case 🤔🤨.

He's rolling in his grave evidently. Not sure he can test. xD

and what the fuck is your comment supposed to mean? it's a normal configuration @@IrnMaiden304

@@jedenzet A radiator is a heat exchanger by means of convection, why would you want to pull that heat back into the case ?

@@IrnMaiden304 Jay goes over this IN THE FECKIN' VIDEO; Steve has gone over this numerous times. It is like gravity: it is only relevent when there is no stonger force to overwhelm it. I'd go with the respected, profitable, S.I. of thirty years standing over Some Knob-End On The Internet everytime.

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Tru dat. I'd query "expensive" though; I've idly done their configurator several times before now and they've always stacked up.

Thanks! Check out Jayz recent review of our latest FragBox design. It’s still going strong after all these years.

So, it's around $4.5k? God, that's expensive.

yeah they are easily 5 grand if you start building one out @@fredhopratama9835

@@fredhopratama9835 it’s actually 5800 before tax…..

@@fredhopratama9835 This specific configuration is in the $6K range before tax. Their "luxury" markup is insane. But to get a base model that comes with a 4060, 32GB of RAM and an i5-14600k is $3,600 before tax. Absolutely ludacris. For context, I just built an equivalent system on newegg (exact same GPU, CPU, MoBo, PSU, RAM, SSD, PSU) with a high end case, cooler AND fans for around $1,800. Thats literally half what theyre charging FOR THEIR BASE MODEL. Their prices are out of touch and extremely arrogant.

​@@fredhopratama9835 5800 on this one

ROG Hyperion is a great case, in what universe do you think FN would do a better job than that?

@@jondonnelly4831 I have no idea, I did not say that it was a better case. I SAID the Hyperion is the best case Ive owned so far. Just bc I do a build with a different case does not mean it degrades the Hyperion lol.

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Not everyone can just drive to a Micro Center for that... buying the parts is always cheaper, but to each their own, Maingear and Falcons looks really nice.

Lifetime (!!!) support... custom cases that were tested over years.. quality of life features etc. etc.. jay made it clear why this PCs cost what they cost.. gat a similar spec dell and i garantee if u have problems they try and wont help you unless you bug them really hard on it

​@@l0ki4321ya it's a "custom" case but it's not like that case is anything special. It essentially looks like a standard Dell/HP case you'd see in an office...just with a glass side panel and a decorative back panel.

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​@@Falcon_Northwest👌

I built a PC for half the price of yours that performs better lol

@@MrM-mt4bv the kind of people that can throw money at a PC from a SI like this really don't care.

@@MrM-mt4bv Nice.

Oh you're not even close. Add an extra 1800 to that 4000

This PC costs north of $6,000 on their website lol

@@MrM-mt4bvJesus Christ

Yes, that doesn't get mentioned much. They are expensive as hell.

Out of curiosity, I configured a similar Falcon/Talon system, it came out to about $6000. If you can afford that and you don't want to build your own box then it could be be a very effective choice -- you don't spend your personal time and you do get a warranty. Myself, I like DIY; not so much because it is less expensive, but because it is entertaining. However, if something in your DIY breaks (e.g., CPU) you fix it yourself. But that's DIY.

Thank you so much for all your support!

Its supossed to go 100c even if it isnt confortable with you.. one of intels or amds engeneers said once they designed new cpus to go as far as temps allow which is 100c.. older cpus dont do that.. they have a set target of xy power, temp, ghz.. newest cpus OC themselfs to the max safe limit.. its designed and wanted to be like this hot and to be honest.. you will NEVER hit this temps outsite of benchmarks.. like NEVER NEVER... go and test.. it wont happen in gaming and productivity

You would be surprised if you tweak the CPU load voltages that the temps come down… I have a 13900k good bin at stock and with mild overclock, load voltage drops down to 1.17- 1.2 volts 5.5ghz all core, 5.8 ghz boost, e cores at 4.4ghz, ring at 4.8 and ram xmp at 6800 speed on z690 msi board. Temps 80c or less full load with Corsair h150i 360mm rad

i would think that the supporting fan does not need to spin that high under heavy GPU load. Let it spin at 600RPM and the cool, direct induced air will still have a good impact

Most modern fans sub 1200 you'll barely even be able to hear over ambient noise floors.

I like it too, I will stick on one and see what it does for temps.

@@deadmanschest4322 agreed, 600 should totally be fine. It looks like they might be using a 90 mm fan there and I just remembered I have a 90 mm in my system. I did some speed/noise tests and my sensitive ears could handle 1500 RPM while gaming

Top end Intel being basically impossible to cool sufficiently has been the normal for a while but I personally still wouldn't be comfortable with hitting the thermal maximum, especially in a system you've paid an extra 2k premium on over building it yourself. Would have loved to see it tested without the front panel on because that's a lot of restricted airflow on this case.

@@Scarlet_Soul yeah I think both manufacturers are tough to cool, which I guess may make it the norm or acceptable. And why PBO undervolting or thermal limit reduction helps keep it cooler or more comfortable for users like us. Maybe we need to adapt that 100c in 5nm chips is okay, I guess then what should our perception change to 110 or 120c?

@@Scarlet_Soul I agree, the markup their charging for that fuckin thing hitting 100C is completely unacceptable. I cringed when it got to that point, because J was clearly glancing over that.

👽indeed !

Just about anything is better than Alienware.... however pretty sure Alienware, as overpriced as they are, are likely a lot cheaper.

​@@emilyshabangnope. Their cases dont even allow you to use the product properly due to all the thermal throttling.

Thanks so much for posting your Talon experience with us Bennett! Yep 280mm and 360mm are equivalent in all few apples-apples comparisons out there, usually within 1C of each other and 280mm's larger fans about 1dB quieter for a given temp. But SO many more variables like radiator thickness, fin density, pump strength, and especially the fans used make much more of a difference then 280mm vs 360mm. Someday, we'll convince Jay of that! ;-)

I would agree with you.

15th gen. Umm what? And what about PSU, case, custom printing, staff and so on?

@@DecayedPage sorry 14th gen. That was a typo. PSU was 1000 watt, which is overkill for the min spec. Can't say the exact case since it is custom, but remember that there are a huge variety of good cases under $150. Most people care about cost for performance. Otherwise, why have Tech reviewers been saying don't buy Nvidia high end GPUs unless you have a specific use case?!? Your other stuff is called the cost of running a business. I appreciate they may pay more fairly, put in special work, etc. But Dell, HP, and MicroCenter all have staff and other expenses too. Notice how those are the competitors that offer options at the $2000 cheaper price range. I don't think most people would pay a $2000 premium for a custom case and some custom printing. At $3600, you are looking at mainly business people and people like Jay (but unlike Jay won't or can't build the desktop themselves). People like Jay would probably build their own desktop and might tinker in 3D printing or whatever to fix the issues or custom print what they want.

Thank you Ken! We really appreciate that!

Can you afford it though? If you can, then by all means go for it.

@fredhopratama9835 Well yes, but since I already have a pc and it gets the job done I'm not buying a new one. But If I ever need a prebuilt I know where to go.

@@DecayedPage Nice! Or if you want to recommend someone that needed a PC but couldn't build themselves, you can recommend FNW 😁

Yea, you gotta pay the price of 2 PCs to get this level of quality and care from a company. Its sad.

​@@MrM-mt4bv Years of master craftsmanship, attention to detail, caring about your product and customer, and after purchase experience like customer support and service could not happen at low prices especially when it is not a mass produce products, just like any others masters on different fields focusing on their own mastery and offering their best products.

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Why would you pay that high of a premium lol they charge double what its worth in most cases

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Any complaints or is it as good as they say?

You don’t know much about Intel lmao

Nice isn't it 😅

A sales pitch if you will 😂