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Printer manufacturers typically sell the printer for cheap with ink cartridges that are almost empty, just to force you into buying their super marked up "full" cartridges. If you almost never print anything, the best option might just be to buy a new printer every time you need more ink.
I needed new ink for my printer. Went online and saw a new printer at better specs for less than the price of the ink. I went in needing new ink, came out with a new printer and had enough money left to pay my rent for the next 6 months.
@@useraccount2507 I've got a HP printer, and you can get a good deal from an off-brand manufacturer. Basically twice the ink for half of the price, but HP recently updated the firmware to block all off-brand ink cartridges "because of security and quality" and as a EU citizen, I can't phantom how the F it can be legal to do that. Printer manufacturers reminds me way too much of the Phoebus Cartel
Technically, they're not doing anything wrong. It's the same reason companies like Apple can get away with charging $200 for a $50 part. Edit: I really need to stop commenting on these videos since people can't be bothered READING PAST THE FIRST COMMENT. As I and plenty others have said, printer companies likely are filling cartridges with the advertised amount of ink, but the foam retains a majority of it and if it's taken out and exposed to air, it retains even more because the ink starts drying, as it's designed to.
They are doing something wrong, they're misleading consumers about how much ink is inside the cartridge. Tesla tried this with misleading battery range, and they certainly fell foul of the law in doing so. @@leblueawoo
Yes, they need to be sued. Recently Taco Bell got sued for not supplying what they advertise. The only issue is that Canon will argue that they specify 11ml of ink per cartridge, which is soaked up by those sponges. 🤷🏽♂️
This must be the scenario that most fits this cliche of: “THIS THING IS BAD! SOMEONE NEEDS TO DO SOMETHING” … *proceeds to do nothing, status quo continues and nothing changes*
I used to work at HP in the early 2000s and even at that time the product line with the highest profit was ink (it was so absurd for everybody that the second biggest tech company in the world at the time made more money in such low tech item than in servers or storage). There were rumors that management wanted to provide free printers for life...the first ink cartridge refill would more than pay for the printer, then almost 100% constant profits after that. Same thing happens with all tech products that need consumables, the money is in the refills, the syringes, the catheters etc., the original product (the printer in this case) is a sunk cost.
HP Ink Jets are such garbage. On top of the ink cartridge rip off - pretty much every time you want to print something, it has to go through a 20 minute alignment routine. Who has time for this?
I used to work for a Printer company tech support. Inkjet printers are a scam because of the Ink cartridges and now that you have the tank printer you will have to worry about the waste ink absorber that is not user replaceable. at some point it will give you an error saying the the waste ink absorber is full, replace printer. it's a sponge that collects ink when the nozzles clean themselves out on startup and before printing. They could make it user serviceable, but they wouldn't sell as many printers that way.
I had a printer I could access those pads and sponges. I'd dab them with distilled water on a Q-tip and then dab with a tip of a paper towel. It worked. I haven't tried it in a while. I only use Epson now.
@@abyssstrider2547 The printer will not know if you have disassemble it unless the copper/gold connection ribbon is damaged. The printer talks with the cartridge to set up allowed amounts of uses. There are only a certain number of times that the cartridge will be used by the printer. There are those who have tried bypassing the count the printer takes when the new cartridge is inserted. Once that count is reached, even if there is still ink in the cartridge or not. The machine will show that the ink is low and stop working with that cartridge. BUMMER!! 🤨🤔🙁😮🤬 **Back in the mid-90's I was using a 11x17 HP printer. The heads were built into the cartridges. I was able to bypass and refill the ink wells of the cartridges. I also kept the machine very clean. I wish I would have been able to take the printer with me when I left the company.
I worked with HP, and got to see the sheer depths of depravity when it comes to screwing the customer. 1. They have one of the harshest cartridge ID systems, to the point that each cartridge knows the batch it was made from. The reason for this is so the printer can reject single-cartridge replacements, forcing the customer to replace them all. 2. They have multiple layers of detection to ensure the cartridge was never unsealed. The printers immediately break the seal on cartridges as a part of entering them, and it also knows if part of it has been peeled open because a customer attempted to open a secondary entry point. They do this to screw people that misaligned the cartridge or attempted to refill it. 3. They have detectors that err on the side of caution when determining ink levels. They use this to shut down the printer until new cartridges are added, which is to intentionally waste ink and force the customer to replace them all. 4. They have been "enhancing" your black ink with cyan, and there is no option to stop it. They do this to intentionally waste one of the smaller cartridges to force the customer to replace them all. 5. They intentionally slash quality assurance for cartridges. This means the IDs and detectors can randomly fail, which they've programmed to always deny access. This is because some people don't return faulty cartridges, which means they get a double sale. 6. This system creates a lot of ink-filled trash. Not only is the plastic going to last a few centuries, but the ink is highly toxic and has been proven to poison groundwater if allowed to seep. They know this is happening, and are simply trying to keep quiet to not draw attention to it. There's a lot of other ways they're hurting their customers, but I'll keep it to the ink side of things. If an Epson actually lets you refill the cartridges, I recommend shouting it from the mountaintops, because I was led to believe the printer industry had a gentleman's agreement amongst each other to keep ink artificially scarce by any means necessary.
That last bit sounds like a direct breach of TFEU Article 101. (EU Cartel laws) "Article 101 prohibits anti-competitive agreements between two or more independent market operators." Thats very big lawsuit waiting for happen, consider giving them anonymous tip to it.
I have a cheap HP printer that came with the free HP Instant Ink plan. I get 15 pages per month free, and pay $0.10 a page after that, and if the ink runs low, they send me a new cartridge for free. It's almost free since I rarely go over 15 pages per month.
@@LargeInCharge77 From what ive understood they do not need it on paper to find companies quilty. Just a formal agreement is enough, but your last point might be why they havent got those just a few billion fines yet
@@Froggy11235Ricoh/Savin/Lancer and HP service tech here: HP has some of the harshest OEM printer restrictions but you can turn it off and buy off brand cartridges. All you need to do is downgrade the firmware and disable the consumer protection option. On our public school accounts we do this to maximize profit.
Maybe this can help you to refill cheaper...I have a laser printer, and to which I installed a hacked driver that I found on the internet. What it does is that it allows working with original but refilled cartridges. When I need ink I just go to the local company where they refill cartridges at a fraction of the price.
I have had and used and LOVED an Epson ET-4750 printer for almost 5 years now and I love the Eco-Tank system. Yes, occasionally the print heads get clogged up if you don't use them often but there is a simple head cleaning utility that gets it back working perfectly in a few mins.
Oh, just wait until you'll find out that you will also need to replace the maintenance box soon. I hope that this model of yours has the replaceable one.
For inkjet printers, nothing beats the eco tank. I bought one from Costco a year and half ago, printing around 40-50 pages a week. I haven’t even finish the original ink yet. The print heads do not clog up as long as you print a sheet once a while. This ecotank IS the solution. The startup cost is much higher to buy the printer but it’s definitely worth it.
You don't need an eco tank system. The Epson XP2205 I have allows cartridge chip bypass via Epson's own software and a set of refillable cartridges for the Epson 604-based printers costs 10 USD. Not only does it allow the same benefits as an eco tank printer but at a lower price point. Any printer sold in the EU has to have the option of disabling the cartridge vendor lock-in so this is possible with pretty much any recent consumer inkjet printer.
The eco tank is scam aswell. You have to clean the printer head all the time, or it will claim the ink has run out even if you can clearly see it has not
@@leob4403this just isn't true. ive used mine regularly for years and have never been told im out of ink. ive done maybe 4 cleanings since i got it, plus who cares when u have basically an infinite amount of ink to use for the test pages
Also to mention, if you’re not using the printer often enough, the cartridge will dry out. So you still have to continuously buy new ones if you’re printing a little or a lot
My biggest problems with inkjets was that the heads would clog up. At some point you could no longer get them unclog and quality would jump off a cliff. then it's new printer time because they're basically disposable. Ended up going to a laser because of it.
After nearly $200 dollars of ink, over a year, I could only printed 15 pages. It's infuriating that it would dry up in less than 2 weeks. Yes, this sbould be giant lawsuit to stop these criminals.
@@zakariasnagygoing to the library every time you need to print of a sheet of paper would be so fucking obnoxious unless you lived right next to one. You’re literally asking a person to turn a 30 second task into a 2 hour long ordeal to drive into town and back for a single sheet of paper. How is that not more wasteful?
In India, there are these refill kits that most people use. You basically fill ink into a syringe and moist the depleted foam in the cartridge by putting the needle through a hole in the cartridge. Using the kit, you can refill the cartridges in about 5-10 minutes. Here, the kits cost about 4-5 usd(converted) and you get about 100+100 ml of ink... Plus the tools. About the reliability: I have printed over 2000 sheets using this method and my printer(that I bought for ~$40) still works fine. I calculated the cost per print and it came out to Rs. 0.8 for b/w print and Rs.3 for colour prints. That's about 0.25 cents and 3 cents respectively. Of course it will be higher in the US. There are also conversion kits that can be used to convert inkjet printers to ink tank printer. I haven't tried it but it's pretty popular too.
I'm a computer repair technician that goes onsite to houses and fixes issues with their tech, printers for the longest time were a nightmare until I learned ALL OF THE STUFF YOU SAID IS SO TRUE. About the Epson Eco Tank, as long as you are constantly printing and pretty much never give it a week or 2 break it will function flawlessly, but the second you stop printing for a week it dries on the print heads and they are a nightmare to clean, I just last week had a customer who had two of the same model you showed in the video. One she kept printing from and one she stopped printing to and it dried up, took me an hour and a special kit with an eye dropper that had a similar nozzle to the printhead and I was able to get ONE of the four print heads working again. Laser printers are expensive up front but will save you the most money I have found and they don't care if it's been 4 months or 4 years toner will just work.
I sell printers in a retail electronics store. I always thought printer cartridges were a scam and guided my customers to laser printers. Glad that my suspicions were confirmed.
Oh, man, you think ink cartridges are a scam? I bought a Canon color laser printer, thinking it would be more economical in the long run. A full set of OEM cartridges (standard capacity) is $250 USD. A high capacity black toner cartridge is $144 alone. The off brand cartridges mostly work, but every time the printer restarts, it won't do anything until you go over to it and dismiss a warning about non-Canon cartridges. I need to put that thing on a UPS so it doesn't power cycle every time there is a power event. If anyone knows how to run hacked firmware, I would pay to have it. I wish I could run the thing with a Raspberry Pi. Next time, I'm going to do more research before buying a printer. The print quality is fantastic, but I despise the printer because Canon makes it so expensive and annoying to operate.
@@Dwigt_Rortugal , I use a Canon MF220 series 3-in-1 printer/scanner and uses an ink toner, yes, its monochrome, and yes, the ink toner is a bit expensive... but its been around 2 years now and i still haven't replaced the toner that came with the printer. but yeah, i only used the printer with my kid's school work. it is way better than those ink cartridges that dries up over time, and you have to purchase a new set again even if you barely used the printer.
The chip on the cartridge also counts the number of pages printed and tells the printer not to print any more when it estimates you're out of ink. This is why sometimes your printer says you're out but you're still getting sharp, clean printing and other times, you get faded printing before it tells you you're out. More often than not, your printer will lock out and tell you to replace the cartridge before it's even empty.
True. And H&P cartridges even expire. Who knew? Say there was a sale, and you buy a bunch of cartridges and horde it for later. If you install the cartridge after the expiration date, it won't work.
There must be a lawyer who sees this. Someone PLEASE start a class action lawsuit. My Canon color ink cartridges recently need replaced because they're "empty" and I barely print anything in color. It's insane.
There is currently such a case underway to stop HP from prohibiting the use of other manufactures cartridges in their printers. The case is Renee Robinson et al v. HP Inc, U.S. District Court, Northern District of Illinois, No. 1:24-cv-00164.
I used to work at Staples and customers would REGULARLY ask why their cartridges get used up so quickly. We almost always had to default to "Well, it could have dried up if it was too hot or you wren't using your printer enough." since we weren't allowed to directly tell them that there's really not a lot of ink.
@@OverRule1 itll depend on your cartridge and printer, looks like theres plenty of people who do just that and decided to post it to YT. Just watched someone who had a system set up for it. Has 2 sets of ink cartridges for his printer, when set A runs out he will fill and replace them with set B, just to make the printer think its a new cartridge.
you work at staples and dont work for canon. are you being held hostage? why are you supporting this shitty printer company. tell the customers the truth they deserve
I've been using the same ink cartridge (canon) for two years. And one previously before that for 5 years. I drilled a hole on the top and refill it with ink. Lasts multiple years. Let it rest in a dish of water or alcohol before refilling it just to keep the heads moist.
@@OverRule1 yeah I bought an Epson eco tank just for this reason. It doesn’t use cartridges it has is own built in tanks that I can just fill up with original ink or cheaper knockoff ink
thirty, more like over a hundred years. Its the razor and blades model. Printer wise, the market didn't originally start out that way, at least not until Inkjets started rolling in. The old dot matrix systems were designed to be user refillable and serviceable.
What really annoys me is that cannon sells different size cartridges for your printer, the thing is the cartridges are all the exact same dimensions, but they don’t fill the ‘standard’ size with much ink.
I've been wondering about my job's HP All-in-One inkjet. It likes to make us replace multiple cartridges sometimes, but never simultaneously. It goes through the priming cycle, using ink, to only make us change another color and start the cycle again until there is enough ink to continue printing ...something that was black and white to begin with!
@@Military872 less than a dollar? No. It's the fraction of a penny. You don't understand mass manufacturing costs. An entry level $100 printer with ink would cost somewhere around a few dollars for these companies to produce in materials and shipping. Those kinds of consumer printers should cost like $20, but they rip the public off to create massive value for their shareholders.
I agree that the cost of inks for inkjet printers were exorbitant. I bought a Brother black and white laser printer (DCP-L2540DW) 6 years ago for this very reason. I can also confirm that even unused for weeks on end it has not clogged yet and still on its original toner. This has been a most dependable PC accessory for my home use, copying documents, printing and scanning. I haven't checked yet, but if the cost of color laser printers has gone down today, I may invest on it as well.
I used to work at a school and we'd need to print out exam questions. We really had syringes popped into those prime heads to fill them with ink. The ink were locally made ones you could get in shops. Watching this just made me realize we escaped that rip off.
@@masterjedidudahguttier3109 Of course, you knew it was a typo but you couldn't resist scoring a cheap point. You might need to resist the brain diarrhea though. Skrep.
HP deserves a mention of honor here for being the scammiest of them all. After the first Deskjet printer I got, I decided that it deserved no love at all. After using an Epson printer at my colllege office and seing that those bottles worked way better, I bought one for my house as well. My suffering has lightened because although some argue that there is a difference in quality, for printing some reports, you barely notice that.
We had an HP Color Printer 🖨 It had an expensive ravenous appetite, and was the ONLY brand that NEVER had a sale on ink. Replaced it with an Epson Printer 🖨, on sale, for a price similar to 2 changes of HP ink. It has been BETTER than the HP. And Epson ink price is reasonable, and occasionally on sale. We were probably NOT the only Former HP users. Since we quit them, HP Printers and Ink seem to have a lot of sales! 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣 (🤬HP)
@@slipjones2 I am talking about years ago to today 10 years to today friend. At the time the inkjet printer was the latest tech (according to HP). Deskjet**
It is no wonder HP got into the medical field that is full of corruption and scams: _"... years before the coronavirus pandemic began, work coming out of the Future Unit drove HP’s investment into adapting inkjet printer technology for medical applications such as drug development, vaccine research, and rapid diagnostic testing."_
I am a student that usually relays on printers to do my homework and assignments. And i am really annoyed on how the inks are not really much for long use and constantly buying with that cost would make me broke. Never realised i am paying for cartridges and not much for inks man they are quite expensive and now i am looking forward to that epson printer
Ricoh/Savin/Lander and HP service tech here. They’re not really “ripping you off”. The actual price of the printer is almost double what you pay for it. In a lot of these printers the fuser alone is the price of the entire printer. You’re basically on a pay by the month plan with a 100 starter fee. These companies don’t make money (unless it’s an MFP line) until you begin purchasing supply items.
The people who run these companies need to be held accountable, but of course the people who run these companies are filthy rich members of the ruling class. They are above the law.
@@randodejambo2921 Shut the hell up. It's a complete and total ripoff, printers do not cost that much to make, and no one is going to believe some full-of-shit service rep that this isn't a very intentional scam. Keep squeezing that turnip, though.
I was shocked when I moved to Thailand and walked into a computer shop and found that you can buy gallons of ink for your printer for a couple dollars and you could buy conversion kits that would run tubes into your printer from huge containers that you pour the ink from the gallon into. It made me furious that I was paying $50 for a tiny HP cartridge back in America.
Commercial multi cartridge printers that do high speed envelope printing have tubing to each cartridge from an IV bag of ink, allowing them to run continuously. O have the same printer... here is the TRUTH ( I do not get affiliate money ). The printer replaced a failed HP small business printer that HP offers no repair on..... the HP was AWESOME, with a good build quality. The Epson has been running at my business, kicking out about 100 sheets a day of B&W and Color... but no photos.... after 8 months, the INITIAL filling of Black is right now at half level, and the colo are at 5/8 on all 2 colors...... The downside, the machine is very cheaply built.... the sheet feeder fails, forget about multipages feeding correct. But the scanner is good, and it is just ok, but nothing like the HP PAGEWIDE, which has been discontinued.... which had FAST output of even the first page.... faster than a laser.
I remember customers back in 1994(!) complaining about printer ink prices and how much money they were making off of it, but truth is if the ink had been cheap, the printers would have been dead expensive. Complain all you want but the profit margins aren't as high as you might think. Of course still high, but not crazy high. And there have always been alternatives, like refilling with cheaper ink, despite manufacturers trying to prevent that.
That's because Thailand doesn't have the same kind of intellectual property laws, you'll find this in a bunch of other countries. There will be copy products of conversion kits we don't get in the US because they are sued out of existence.
@@paulmichaelfreedman8334 customers would rather pay a little more for the printer, than get ripped off for life on ink cartridges. Gilette razor has the same business model as printers
I had HPs for years. I went through ink so fast. I thought something must be wrong. Than I purchased the EPSON eco tank. I fell in love. I have one for regular printing and sublimation.
I manufactured ink for the recycling industry , and actually wrote the book on refilling (it is in Portuguese, my company was based in Brazil) and I agree on the high price problem , hey that was the core of my business, selling ink for companies that recicle and offer 1/2 price cartridges, yet there is more to the cartridge than ink keeping. Your Cannon Printhead has about 400 holes that are each a 10th of a hair thick, that for Cannon is individually linked to a resistor that achieves temperatures above those of the surface of the sun 6000K (for a tiny fraction of a second) and has to self refill for every single drop (and Epson does that with a micro Piezo physical pump). Controlling ink flow, stability, not drying in storage (but drying in paper) , non toxic water base micro pigmented or ultarpurified dyed ink In a package that is light weight so it won't have high inertia a real mess, that is why the cost has to be high for a profitable business, you see for your use you needed probably 50 Cents of paper and less than 5 cents of ink., not bad at the end of the day. for your Cannon see if you can find a good remanufactured cartridge, for Epson ink needed a code to refill , I don't know if that part was solved.
I had a professor who would just buy a $20 printer when she would run out of ink. I think she would literally just throw it out. She said it was cheaper than buying new ink
Then you think of how many other consumers do the same thing, and calculate how much GARBAGE we drop into Earth so companies can make profit$. This tactic should be outlawed (the same goes to Apple with their un-fixable profit making strategy).
On the other hand, people get demotivated to print often and instead share their files online or bring USB sticks. No ink, no paper and no plastic will be wasted.
The saddest part is that if you print every couple of months and only a few pages you aren't saving anything because the cartridges dry up when they are in the machine. Not only that but they contaminate the ink head with dried on ink as it evaporates. Then you get to buy a new printer as it costs more to clean or replace the head than a new machine. Where is the government when this kind of theft is institutionalized? They could actually do something for the consumer...... yeah we all know how that goes.
I learned about printer ink in my high school economics class, these “cheap printers” were hundreds of dollars to make. While the ink cartridges took like 1 or 2 dollars to make. They pull customers in with a cheap printer, and then sell ink thats worth more than gold.
You could soak it up with iso alcohol and then let the alcohol evaporate in a dish. Ink doesn't evaporate AFAIK, so I think this would be a valid method to get all the ink out of the cartridge and measure it.
No, the reason they use foam is to more easily deliver the ink to where it needs to go. Sucking up liquid ink from a reservoir into presumably a tube of some sort, just to soak it into a pad anyway, is stupid and seems 10000x harder than the solution they came up with. Ink cartridges are definitely a scam, but because there’s not enough ink in them and they’re extremely overpriced, not because they’re purposely engineered to scam you. 99% of the time, there’s a purpose for things beyond the first most surface level observation you make.
@@MrKoyama2004there is 3 types of ink - water based - solvant based - oil based All dries up. So using alcohol wouln't work. But, with a few cartridges and some experimentation you can figure it out: - Weight a full caridge - print until empty - weight it again - take one or more cartridge - squizz out the ink - measure the volume - weight it The first part is to figure out the usable quantity. There is always a portion that can not be used (in part because they garantee that the first and last page is 100% quality. Low ink level may cause the head to suck some air and misprint.) Second step is to measure the density of the ink. Once you have that, you can do some simple math to find the used volume.
If any of you recall, there used to be an ink refill service at walgreens photo booth. Those cartridges that I would get refilled would work so much longer than the original fill, and I would assume, the company doesn't do it anymore because they lost a fortune.
In Southeast asia, some printer models are designed to be refillable. They have an ink tank placed outside But it took for several years for Canon and HP to officially acknowledge and launch such design Before that, ppl unofficially modify their cartridge to attach an external ink tank Or refil their cartridge by themself using cheap knock-off ink
I have an Epson ET-2720 that you refill the tank with. The only problem is that if you don't use it every day, you get clock heads and you have to run the cleaning several times.
I have a Canon laser printer here. I purchased off-brand toner, even against my OWN feelings because the Canon toner is FOUR times the cost. Each of the cheap cartridges failed in some manner, besides not showing how much toner is left in them due to the "Chip" not reporting it. The cheap toner was being thrown all over inside the machine from the cartridges. My son is a tech with a large company that services commercial copiers. He warned me about the cheap ones. I thought it was not that big a deal. HA!! I gave in and purchased three NEW High-Capacity Canon toner color cartridges to the tune of nearly $600. Two of the actual ones came up and said they were "Invalid". I contacted the vendor about them. He told me that Canon has put "Time Stamp Technology" in the cartridges. He was VERY gracious and sent me THREE new ones AND refunded all my money because of the problem that was created. One point on ink printers to make. If you don't use them often, a few pages a week at least, then the ink can and probably WILL start to clog in the heads. Remember also.... Do NOT turn off the ink printer completely or pull the power supply to "save ink". That WILL spell disaster for you without a doubt. The head WILL for Sure clog up from lack of use. Trust me, I fix these things. My own Brother printer ate ink like a kid eats cookies. I printed 10 pages in one month and my ink was half gone already. The printer turns itself ON, then cleans the cartridges by itself to Keep YOU happy that it isn't clogging. I pulled the plug on my $300 Brother ink-Jet printer for a couple of weeks! That was the last time it ever printed correctly again. Head was clogged and no recovery. I tried everything!! Pulled the head out of and soaked it even. Nothing worked. I figured I would just purchase a new head. HA! They wanted $325 for it. It was then "Deep-Sixed". The Epson "Eco-Tank" printer you purchased is one of the greatest ones I have owned. It WORKS GREAT! I've recently filled the black reservoir for the first time after about a year and a half. Easy Peezy to do. One thing you DO need to replace occasionally is the "Maintenance Box" in the back of the printer. That's where the head dumps ink to keep the head clean. You can get that on Amazon for about $15, I think. You MUST use the printer just like you would any other printer to keep things working, but it is VERY cheap to use that printer, and no hassles! Got my Epson at Costco as well.
I remember printing coloring pages for my classmates when I was in elementary school over 35 years ago. I printed over three hundred pages before my dad put a stop to it.... I only used up one printer ribbon in all that time. Dad complained about me using up his printer paper, not his ink. The ink for the printer was dirt cheap in comparison to the cartridges of today. You can buy bottles of ink for just a few dollars. It would take nothing to make a formula that would work in the printers. There is no doubt that the cartridges are a rip off.
oh but-but-but it's a special ink formula! they have to use special vehicles to make the ink, it's totally not like they use the most expensive but at the same time junkiest equipment intentionally to make 'high quality ink' to upcharge 900%!!
My old hp laserjet printer can print like 400 pages in a dollar just refill the cartiage with cartiage powder, Canon is scammer I have plotters for buisness to canon is very costly you even have to turn on ac for it to even print
@@kiraamv5507Just don't hook up your laser printer to the Internet. I made that mistake and now it refuses to print unless I buy a new cartridge. It's definitely a scam. HP is very pretty to disable printing on my old laserjets. I can continue to print on my subscription based inkjet but of course because they charge me per page. The same software blocked my laserjets.
What Epson did was brilliant. They struggled to beat HP and Canon in their own game, so they started a new game! In a rare corporate move, they understood what we consumers need, and agreed to earn less per customer, in order to gain a ridiculous number of loyal customers. I switched to Eco-Tank this year and I'm not going back.
I have an ink jet printer. I only print on rare occasions. Between prints, I remove the ink cartridges, put plastic tape over the heads, and seal them in a plastic bag. This keeps them from drying out. I've been able to use the same ink cartridges for several years. They do eventually run out of ink or dry out.
I am always amazed that no-one has taken the printer manufacturers to court over such a blatant rip off. I changed to a mono laser much better suited to childrens homework printing.
I literally work in an electronics store and I keep on trying to urge customers to go for the Epson ecotank over the cheaper canon ones for this exact reason! But seems like not many people wanna spend 400 dollars on a printer but rather spend double that a year on ink 🙃
no. we buy new cheap shit printers on black friday every couple of years and it is the same price as an ink cart. and by the time the epson pays for itself we wont be printing things or something better will have come to market for a lower price until then. black friday shit ass printers that come with an ink cart the same price as the printer being purchased.
I've done the same thing. A Couple years back I bought 4 printers because the printer + ink carts cost less than just the ink carts. Instead of changing ink cartridges, I just installed a new printer when it's empty. I don't print much so it's lasted me awhile, but now I'm out of printers.@@kyledennis6772
Deciding to buy a laser-jet printer was one of the smartest thing's we've ever done. We bought an HP one at least 6 or seven years ago and had to replace the toner ONCE a few months ago. ONCE. We don't print tons, but we use it quite regularly, so it was totally worth it!
I find this is best for black and white prints and printing faster as well. Color prints are better on the one shown in the video with refillable ink tanks rather than cartridges.
I confirm this to be true. Used to remanufacture ink cartridges for a living and the money the owners made was scandalous compared to what they spent on new ink.
3 months later and I still remembered this video. I have just moved into my own home and now I've ordered an eco-printer. Down with cartridges! Thanks a lot for this video, you are a hero!
well if we hack the cartridges on inkjet the inkheads are replaced when you replace the cart. alot of positives to consider with inkjet. just someone tell me how to refill 3rd party carts in my HP envy 5660. 3ml in a 12ml advertised cart should be illegal. please help. i want to refill but i hear these printers can detect a cart has been refilled at home. my HP envy has a firmware back from Sept 2020 so it never got the firmware blocking update HP unexpectedly sent out.
I print over 150 pages a day and use Brother laser printer-black only. I get aftermarket 10 packs of drum and cartridge and fill it up with toner powder I got from ebay. I found that it is the lowest cost to print. just a little messy when dealing with the toner powder filling.
My favorite was when years back they introduced the "XL" tanks under the guise that suddenly printer ink is cheaper. What they did was filled them halfway and called those the standard cartridges, which now only cost half as much.... so you think "wow, printer ink is finally affordable!" but really all they did was rename the "full" ink cartridges "XL" and then charged the same price as they did before.
EU directive that printer won't "selfdestruct" / automatically shutdown. -replaceable ink absorber (Canon G3200 Megatank printer Ink Absorber/Error Code 5b00) -user resettable inc cartridge counter and ink absorber counter. -user cleanable print heads -non overpriced and easily available spare parts EU directive for labeling the amount of ink that comes out of the tank through the print head onto the paper. Class action suit in the US. Just make a 501 for that :)
Not just a printer companies that are doing that. Look at all the food that we currently get that's only half the nutrition that used to be, it's half the size, and cost 5× more! Thanks Obama, i mean Biden.. Why did I think Obama attention to Obama's interviews he tells you that if Trump gets into office and they asked Obama to run things in the shadows with a front man that he would not be opposed to doing so.. these are Obama words! Obama got the most time in office and it should be illegal. The things they are putting Biden through are Criminal acts and he don't even know any better
@@mesmorrow they all collectively did it, I know HP and Epson both sell "XL" cartridges. HP was the one I remember advertising that ink shouldn't cost so much 🙄
The print head is actually integrated into the printer, NOT the cartridges. The cartridge communicates with the printer through a chip just shoots out ink.
I worked tech at staples for a long time. I tried to push ecotanks as much as I could, but due to their HP partnership, I was forced to push HP printers as an extreme priority. It got to a point where they were sending us to HP sponsored events to train us to push more HP printers. Their tech department as a whole got to be such an ethical problem I ended up walking out.
Yeah, I figured this out many years ago. I live in Brazil and the cartridges were twice the price as in the States. I bought a refill kit, but it didn't work. I went online and the problem was air entrapped between the ink sponge and the nozzles. One of the solutions offered was to put the cartridge inside a long sock and swing it around your head so centrifugal force caused the ink to flow. It worked! I redecorated the living and dining rooms with black polka dots 😂😂😂!
I’ve left jobs for ethical reasons too but every job is ran by evil people so there’s no escape. I wish I was taught this early but it’s really something you learn with experience.
@@jacksonrelaxin3425On one hand, you want to protect your kids from the world and let them enjoy their innocence as long as possible, but on the other it only hurts them in the long run. I knew the world wasn't perfect, but holy shit I had no idea it was THIS bad..😢 I was hoping for 50/50, not 90/10 to the negative.
They tried to scam us but here in the UK we had shops selling knock offs for a full set of inks for less than a fiver saving us like 80% of the retail price. Usually it was for Epson printers. Canon/Lexmark somehow continued to have a system in place to screw their customers.
I've only bought printers over the last 20+ years in the UK where I could buy Non-OEM ink. I currently have a Brother MFC-J4610DW, and 3x full sets of 'XL' fill Non-Brother ink was less than £10. I have an Epson laser black-only I was given, empty, because 'The toner cartridges are £60!' and I easily found a Non-OEM toner cart for £14. Re-engineering the chips seems to be the key, so maybe the USA has more of a stranglehold.
I bought a printer for £30 and the cartridges are £35 lol. I bought anotger printer(it comes with cartridges) because it's £3 cheaper and it's a true story.
I regret I had bought a new cartridge printer before I saw your video on my page. I'm not that tech-advanced, so I haven't even thought that printer can be tricky. Even more, several years ago I had a similar Epson printer like you have in the video, but now I specifically bought a cartridge printer, because the dirty process of refilling the tanks annoyed me. Now, after changing a 3rd or 4th cartridge in TWO MONTHS, I miss my old Epson and the refilling. However, yesterday I bought an ink bottle like I used to, drilled the hole with the help of some polish guy on yt, and refilled it with the ink and syringe, and it miraculously worked! For now I managed to print some test pages and it work just as fine as I've bought another cartridge. I think I can recommend that method, it's not that hard to do and doesn't require special knowledges or equipment. Thank you Mr Fstoppers for educating me on this.
I have an Epsom Eco tank ( from Costco) for two years now and I still have about a third of the Black ink remaining. I have not refilled any of the ink tanks. No issues or problems at all.
Well when the ink is more expensive than the printer, then yeah, it’s a obvious scam. It’s like when companies put less food in their product. Consumers are always getting scammed somewhere!😂
Its not a scam. Thats why these companies can sell their printers for peanuts. Instead, they make their money out of the printer cartridge. its a marketing tactic.
@customer7575 I've noticed that the cans of soup started getting smaller, but with the same or higher price....a little strange don't you think....pay more for less....
I bought an Epson ecotank around five years ago. It still works great and I've saved a fortune in ink cartridges. Yes, the heads do need cleaning from time to time but this is not a problem. Thanks for telling the world about this wicked ink cartridge scam. Andy B.
as a professional print person... all printers need heads cleaning. All of them. That's why they end up 'getting replaced' because most people do not know how to either flush them or replace just the print heads. my mom's printer she has had now for 12 years even though it was a $20 pixma. The advantage to the ecotanks are numerous starting with the tanks being able to be filled with different inks. They are also significantly easier to clean, flush and replace print heads. I currently use an epson workforce 7610 for sublimation but the ecotanks are much better for even that purpose.
I just recently bought the Epsom printer and was thrilled with how easy it was to fill up the ink. Just turn it upside down above the color you need. You can see the actual amount of ink in the front.
Decided to sell off my canon printer and that was one of the best decisions I have ever made. I went to purchase an Epson EcoTank and it's way better! At least we don't get ripped off like a sucker! Thank you Epson for saving us!
I've been aware of the printer ink scam for multitude of years I took one of those things apart when I was a teenager and then again in my twenties But seeing how we are in the minority of awareness there's not much we can do about this, but I'm glad somebody's finally protesting about it. So thank you for putting up Your video.
I mean.. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-AHX6tHdQGiQ.htmlsi=tDCXGzhTNFGQJPFg This guy exposed more than this video, and like 5 years ago. But nothing was done about it. I doubt this will result anything either.
Everyone knows they're a scam, wdym? It's always been a huge meme that you get more ink for your money buying bic pens than you do buying ink cartridges.
We've known about this for so long, why we still don't have consumer protections against this is a mystery to me. It's like a benchmark for seeing how many years behind law makers are when it comes to the tech industry.
It's capitalism, as long as people buy it, they'll keep selling it. The problem is that people are idiots, myself included, so we buy the cheapest printer we can find (often sold at a loss) then keep wasting money on expensive ink. I bought a cheap Deskjet that wouldn't let me print in B&W or grayscale when any of the color cartridges were empty. But even worse than that, I had some documents to scan, and... it wouldn't let me scan because one of the cartridges was empty. Great, ''cause I do need ink to scan, of course.
I have that same model printer (TS3522) and bought an "ink refill" kit online for $17. So far I have refilled the original cartridges 3 times and it has worked perfectly. And there is enough ink to refill it about 20 more times.
The ink in bottles vs. cartridges is not the same. For documents, it doesn’t really matter, but for photos it is really important to understand that the longevity of your prints is different. I have an Epson Ecotank L805, and while it is cheap to use, the prints begin to fade within 2 years of printing. My Epson XP-15000 and P800 printers prints will last for decades, or even centuries before beginning to fade.
As someone who has worked on and sold a variety of printers. The ecotank will do fine so long as you print at least weekly, and leave it plugged in so it can run cleaning subroutines. Worked at the store selling them for like two years, never had a report of failure that didn't involve it being unused in a closet for months.
wonder what happened to my friends ecotank then? he would use it almost every week, but then it started printing grainy photos and after clearing all the lines and resetting software etc., it still did that and has been sitting unused for months now. maybe i can get him to try and clean it up again and check if anything has changed
@@Lizardfiz12 If the cleaning subroutine doesnt seem to work, check that where the ink jet cleans itself isn't jammed with paper. Ours had a small piece jammed and it never cleaned itself properly. Had to take it apart a bit to get the paper out.
@@Lizardfiz12 I have a similar problem, I think it's because I don't print regularly enough. Fortunately printing in black & white still looks good but colour printing not so much.
And people called me crazy when I said they were scamming with the ink! I remember in the 90’s one cartridge would print a book darn near. Late 90’s early 2000’s hit and u can’t even print your syllabus without needing a new cartridge!
@@LoLaSnya no. Capitalism is someone having the ability to do that and then 20 competitors like epson come along and make better products you can buy instead. Grow up.
I switched to a laser jet in college.. 1 cartridge of toner lasted me a year while printing out my source code.. like 20-50 pages at a time Never went back to ink
Thanks for the video. I have been eyeing off the tank printer for the last month, searching online for pro's and cons. I would be very interested to see how it's going 6 months or so later. Did the print heads jam up/clog like you thought may happen, or any other problems arise ? Thanks. 👍
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Epson EcoTank owner over here, too. I'm also a teacher who always prints worksheets and presentations in full color for my students. It has been 7 years with my L395, and it's still printing without any problem at all. A BIG plus is that you don't need to refill the tanks with the ink that they call "official", I've got ink bottles that where Brother and Canon, used them on my printer, and it keeps on printing. You just made me appreciate my machine a lot more, thanks.
as a long term user of tank styles. Glad ya like em. Just one note for ya could save you a print head one day. Make sure the chimical base used in the ink's are compatible with what you have in there now. and ofcorse that the head can use the ink to. some heads get way hotter to spray the ink than others. And i once put in some epson ink in a cannon. both were large format printers just didnt pay atention. when the epson ink hit the cannon ink they gelled. all - the - way - up - the - tubes. Fortunitly it didnt hit the print head. fast large format print heads are hella expinsive.
You are wrong there is no way you could have had this for 7 years when they barely been out for the last four years as it was released in 2019.
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@@SHSPVR You are right, I forgot I survived my first teaching year with a Brother laser printer. Then I bought my Ecotank during 2017. This is a video about the L395 made 6 years ago ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ypz32_XPVlM.html Maybe the printers are sent to different countries in different timesets, and it arrived late to your country.
It would have been good to weigh the cartridge before opening it, then rinse out the ink sponges completely with isoalcohol then put them back in once they were dry and re-weigh it. Then you could see exactly how much ink by weight was really in there.
I have an off-brand laser printer that prints only in black and white, but all I do with it is print documents and any pictures that happen to be within the documents themselves. I pay 60 for a toner cartridge that lasts me for half a year or more. It still works like brand new, so I have no complaints about going the third-party route as long as you research and read the reviews for any discrepancies.
One thing to keep in mind is that you should print at least one page per week (with all colors) if you have an ecotank. Otherwise the ink will get dry and clog the header, which will require you to pay maintenance. So, if your print very little, create a weekly task in your computer for it to print a page with a bit of every color.
I was able to clean the heads successfully myself. There are videos out there with instructions and a cheap kit to buy. I spent maybe 15 bucks, can't recall exactly, but it was not much, and it took me maybe 30 minutes max to do it.
ecotanks are great! and it actually isn't the head clogging up, they have wipers built in to keep the printer head clean, it's simply because the ink system isn't airtight, so over time pressure will decrease making the ink draw back into the tank. if this happens just run a couple of the thorough head cleaning procedures from the pc interface, and it'll get back up to pressure. by far the best style printers we get in for repair haha :P
Having one off the first ecotank (which were worst a this) I can say this allaways a fixable issue. When it happens (more than a week off no use usually). I just launch the "cleaning heads" program then print a photo of a rainbow (with black parts) one, two, maybe tree times and then it is fixed. You might say that is wastefull ! I say as a 7 year old user i bought a ink set twice maybe tree times for 13 bucks each.... yeah just buy the printer it is awsome it's a no brainer.
Landfills filling up with printers for the last 20 years was solid evidence vs suspicion. Something designed to be more convenient to throw away and buy a new one.
Convenient wasn't even their goal. It's greed masquerade as convenient. Printers break all the time and replacing these cartridges ain't convenient to the customers. It's crazy how these companies can create so much waste and isn't responsible for recycling or clean after themselves
Suspected? We very well knew. Many even made a business from refilling used cartridges. Two decades ago I used to buy cheap no name ink in bottles that lasted years. I even had my student cousin coming and refilling her cartridges. Since then I had two other printers. Some printers are designed for refilling, some we refill directly through nozzles, drip by drip. And we all know from a decade ago that laser printers are more reliable and cheaper to use. So yeah this rant is legitimate, but comes two decades later. Only morons still buy ink printers. I am retired, no more printing needed and still have a laser printed. I even bought a spare cartridge. But when I need, once a year I still use the old one just out of spite even the role is damaged and smears a little the paper. So come on, grow up. Change the title from, is a scam to was a scam two decades ago, or in .. I am a moron. I still buy ink printers.
We had a Canon and were buying cartridges every couple months, and it was a pain to setup wirelessly. Got an Epson about 3 years ago and have filled it ONCE!
although to be fair the cartridges that come with most printers are starters with less than normal print capacity, plus given how many pages a laser printer can print its still not as bad as an inkjet (inkjet will cost about $100 for oem ink for B/M/Y/C and print around 750 pages - per HP specs on the 902xl cartriges, my laser printer is about $400 for B/M/Y/C toner, which will net you about 10x the pages 7600 for black oem canon 055h cartridges' and 6800 for the C/M/Y cartridge's) so price per page at minimum for inkjet is around 13cents a page on OEM XL cartridges, for price per page on the laser at its minimum colored yield is about 5cents per page, so while a laser has a higher upfront cost for the toner, its cheaper in the long run. Technically i have been running the same starter cartridges' for years and have a page count of around 1700, half being b/w and half being full color, and while 3 of my cartriges are end of life, they still print just fine. unlike many inkjets that refuse to print when out of a color.
the ink you get with the new printer is basically just a small sample cart. but I agree, unless it is for color or some weird format cart (which I wouldn't buy).
One more advantage of laser printers (and for my use case it’s a HUGE advantage) Laser printer can sit unused for days weeks months even years, and still work. Inkjets sit unused for a week? They start drying out. And then getting clogged. Which almost always means total replacement . My use case: documents, instructions, lists… usually two-three a month, maybe 20-50 pages MAX… B&W ok Photographs, or other prints that need/want COLOR… once, perhaps three a month… these get printed at WalMart, or on-line photo labs for higher-quality needs.
I've been using an epson printer L110 since 2010, it's a tank based printer as well. Working perfectly till date. Can trust epson blindly as long as you're using original ink bottles
I had a brother printer for many years and tried using generic ink in it and after a couple of refills, I would have to take the printer to the shop to get it fixed so I also have stopped using printers basically because of this
Mine was kinda broken on the printer head (?) because I didn't use it for quite some time and it got dusty. My uncle took it from me trying to repair it for his own use because he's a teacher and the I think the repair shop my uncle went tl can't fix it. Great printer though, now I have a Brother printer+scanner that also use an ink bottle instead of cartridges
I've been using epson l360, l1800 and m105 for pigment all with 3rd party ink that's way cheaper ypuke you can get almost 1200 ml of any color for about 5$ and with that amount of ink I am able to print almost 35k prints
Certain companies also adopt other shady tactics with their Ink - Tank printers as well. I had mine "conk out" within six months. Turns out that that particular model has a kind of failsafe that makes the printer show an error, forcing you to replace the printer/take it for servicing (it's understandable to an extent: since printers are rated for a certain number of cycles. But to have perfectly working printers which are practically new bricked automatically without any fault, seems dubious.) I was able to overcome this by following steps on a RU-vid tutorial that actually sent a kind of "counter reset" to the printer and it worked absolutely fine after that. It seems that particular model is known for prematurely and erroneously activating the failsafe in a number of units.
I have that same printer, its amazingly efficient for the ink cost. The 2 problems are the print heads do clog up over time and so you do waste some ink cleaning them. Also apparently the cleaning process has a tank that stores the used ink (its pretty large but eventually does fill up). I think theres videos on how to replace it when full but just something to watch out for in the future
The Epson is absolutely the answer. My wife is a teacher, we print a lot, daily. We have had this printer for at least 8 months and I am STILL using the original ink the printer came with. Absolutely amazing. I also had a Canon with the cartridges, but she was going thru a cartridge a week. Even buying knockoff ink on Amazon was still 30 bucks a pop. Not one problem with the Epson.
laser printers are even better, better printing and cheaper in the long run, no clog issues unlike inkjet, invest in one, hopefully one with wifi or networking capability, you will not look back.
I’ve had one of those for at least 5 years, and it seems the original black ink is getting low, maybe it lasts a year or two. Magenta is still over half full.
@@dragons_redOh, I didn't know they switched to "starters"... I assume those are worse (actually I wouldn't be surprised if they were better too, like to convince you that you made a good purchase), but back when I was in need of printer etc, and that was like a decade ago, I already knew that you can pretty much just buy a new one instead of new cartridges and still be in + (all the more since you can sell the old printer too) .
@@dragons_red lol we got around that in 2010.. just return or exchange the printer when you're done. Lost the receipt? Buy a new one and put the old one it its box. They dont check serials.
These companies are so corrupt. I remember nearly 20 years ago my grandfather had a printer for business and only he had access to the computer and only ever printed black and still one of the color inks would also slowly run out.
My print heads on my Epson printer clogging up. The technician told me the reason for this was that I didn’t use it often enough and to stay away from inkjet printers unless I planned on using them more frequently.
Yep that Epson eco tank is the printer for any small business owner. I have a business and I print something every single day. I've been printing everyday since like 2020 and I still haven't run out of the original ink that came with the printer lol. My black is just now getting a little low after all these years. it was really expensive up front. But it was worth every penny because I haven't had to do anything to it, change any ink or nothing. It just works every time. I've never been happier with a printer in my life.
It depends on the need. Laser printers have a place too if you need to print loads of pages as suddenly time becomes a factor too. If the workers need to wait minutes for all pages to print instead of seconds that accumulate over the course of a year.
Does that mean that the ink doesn't dry up as it happens with cartridges when you don't print for a while? Or have you been using it regularily to a point where it'd be impossible to tell if they would or not dry up? Asking about your impressions because you're the only other person than the video host, that happens to own one of those 😀 Have a great week mate!
its a trash printer though, its weird that most people don't know this but you can convert just about any printer on the market into a tank system. CIS kits have been common place for like 20 years. You can even buy the ink by the gallon from chinese wholesellers (literally the same crap epson uses) for pennies on the dollar. One thing we used to do for all our printers back in the late 2000's was run around to all the goodwills grabbing up highend photo printers slapping a 20 dollar chinese kit on them and just run them non-stop. People would buy them find out how much they cost to operate and then just chuck them to donation sites / yardsales / flea markets etc so you could get them for next to nothing.
As a former ink refiller in a photo center at Costco, I can confirm that cartridges are a scam. They don't have that department anymore, but they used to have an official ink refilling machine you could also find at Fry's Electronics that would literally drill 3 holes in the cartridge, and use needles with the correct tone of ink to refill the sponges. After that, we would put stickers on the holes and reset or replace the digital chip so the printer could see it as a new cartridge. It was always a 50/50 chance of working though because of how cheap that design of printer is in general and the different uses each person has with their printer. About 5 years ago, I first saw Epson's Eco Tanks come on the shelf. the 2800,3800, and 4800. I thought that is the solution! I've talked to many people who still have the original black ones and now the newer white ones that they are the way to go for sure.
Back in 2000 or so when a chick became the CEO of HP she is the one that came up with the concept of an expiration date on cartridges. A year timer starts when the cart is activated and after it expires a high voltage signal is sent that melts a connection within the cart causing it to stop working. She devised this as a selling point to her shareholders to guarantee recurring sales each year, thus increasing profits for them.
Just changed the ink on my Ecotank ET-3850 yesterday for the first time. First use was Feb 4,2022 -2,142 pages of black printing on the usage report. Color ink is just at 2/3 capacity. Still have another black bottle - that's at least 5 years worth of ink that came with the printer. I have had all kinfs of cartridge based printers and while the printer costs $50 the ink is expensive and replaced every few months. Yes the Eco Tank costs 10x more than a cheap all in one from Canon or HP - but it is $60 of ink every 2 or so months. I find there is value in the EcoTank and have had zero technical issues except for occasional disconnecting from the wifi - which is most likley a modem issue on our end.
I remember when ink cartridges were refillable, then they made them non-refillable but we(some of us) would still do it and they would work just fine but then they put those chips inside and it complicated thing but we found a way around to continue refilling them(well at least I did). It's good to see that Epson is giving a shit about the consumer. I just hope the printer actually lasts at least 3 years or five would be preferable.
The eco-tank printers are very reliable. I bought one for my family after we had an expensive HP laser printer that was gifted to us die. I purchased the Epson et-3700 back in 2018 and it still prints like new to this day. And crazy enough the printer is still running on the ink refill containers that it came with back in 2018! I have never purchased ink in 5 years of moderate use of the printer.
My Epson Ink Tank printer is about 3 years old now and I have printed close to 8,000 pages. One black plus 3 color cartridges together give around 1,500 to 2,000 pages (depending on page content). Very satisfied. Canon cartridge printer was sh*t.
Don’t forget that the little chips on some cartridges are programmed to give an “out of ink” message after some amount of time, regardless of if you actually used it or not. Yeah, they make their own expiration dates in some cases. And they will brick themselves.
Bro i work with these companies, even the biggest ones just replace the label once it hits the expiry date and its on stock. The ink is more then fine though it lasts long. Its a pure scam.
Even in enterprise settings, the printer will complain "order maintenence kit" every set number of pages, it doesn't actually know if it's broken or not, it just knows that it's printed 10k pages and so tells you to buy a maintenence kit.
Sounds like what some elites are trying to do to a digital currency. If you don't spend the money, it expires. Or, the money won't work to buy certain things that they don't want you to buy.
The epson printer in my family’s house has been here for atleast 10 years, we rarely need to fill it with ink. It lets you print black and white no issue when colors are out, doesn’t require connecting to servers, doesn’t have a chip to recognize if its name brand or knockoff ink. It’s been great.
I have the Ecotank, and its been over 4 years or more. It is still running with the ink it came with. The ink in the tanks still intact even if im not using it for months. If you dont use it very often it clogs but the printer itself has a feature to clean itself. The best printer out there honestly.
I bought my dad an Ecotank for his office. He's been printing dozens of documents a day for over a year and he still hasn't depleted the two black ink bottles that came with the printer. We expect it to last a couple months now before we have to buy new ones. Each bottle lasts almost a year. It made us realize how much we were being ripped off by HP.
Watch out for the waste ink reservoir, that fills up too and they track it, they don't let you print anymore when it's "full". I had to replace the one in our office and reset the counter with some software I found online
I've worked at Best Buy and bought one of these for my mom who works from home but has to do a lot of paperwork. We've had it for over a year and we've only had to buy bottles of ink once and she does a decent amount of printing. Epson started to give a shit and it shows.
I gave up on ink printers and went with a laser printer. And after 16 years I have opened toner cartridge number 4. It is a black only printer and I use it for printing about 300 to 350 pages of varying types per year and some envelopes too. The thing has not let me down yet. It is an HP 1102w if you are curious.
I have been using an Epson ET-3760 for three years and I have only used one bottle of black and less for each of the colors. This is truly the most ink efficient printer I have ever seen. I have told several of my friends who have also purchased teh priinter and are delighted with it. My only beef with this printer is that it is significantly slower printing than the other ink jet printers that I have owned but I will gladly accept that in favor of all the money I have saved not buying ink cartridges. Kudos to Epson for being the manufacturer that has finally come out with a design that really saved the customer money. I highly recommend the ET (eco tank) series to everyone.
For black and white text, laser printers are by far the less expensive option in the end, when you factor in the price of ink and that it tends to dry out over time. I haven't owned an inkjet printer in over 20 years.
plus most people think ‘i’m saving ink’ by only printing black and white but many printer companies actually put cyan in with the black just because. so you have to buy more ink regardless.
Same, weve just invested in Kyocera laser printers for blk&wht prints, coz its powder cartidges are cheaper.. Plus there are third party providers too, which is way more cheaper.. Then reservoir type printers for the colored ones..
Laser is great but the main issue is it’s still a huge up front cost for cartridges, and the printers with any extra features (i.e. a scanner or a document feeder) are quite big and heavy. One black toner cartridge for the stock standard Brother laser printer costs like $80 (AUD) for 1200-ish pages, whereas a full set of bottles for an ecotank for anywhere between 5000 and 7500 pages is about the same price.
I have Brother HL-L2365DW since 4 months ago and it's printing about 40k till now. The catridge are still strong. I just have to refill the toner for about every 3k pages.
@@sammcclain3778 that's not how black&white laser printers work, but okay. With laser printers, black and white LITERALLY only prints black and white since there's only black toner in it (and no color toner)
My favorite thing about printers and ink is when during the pandemic there was a chip shortage and the ink wouldn't work without a chip and they literally shipped ink without a chip. Hilarity ensues.
It's not a scam. It's much worse. It's a tactic to force people to live digital then analog. If we have all on paper why use Word, Dropbox or digital storage options as much. It's forced customer selection. 😑
I bought a refurbished printer online that promised 1 year of free ink, only for the setup cartridges to arrive damaged because of the packaging. I bought cartridges to use it in the meantime to wait for replacement setup ones, but since I had already started the printer I was no longer eligible for the year of free ink.
Epson printers have never replaced the head as part of the cartridge, but they also don't use heat to push the ink out, which helps avoid clogging. Canon and HP are thermal inkjet while epson is piezo electric.
Been a loyal Epson fan for nearly three decades. Had to send my previous all-in-one printer to the junkyard after Epson ditched cartridges, but my current tank-based unit is the most dependable model I've owned.
Epson still uses chips for ink cartridges that expire after a certain amount of time. I have one and I have printed maybe 1-200 pages over 2 years and it said I was out of ink. I slapped it on paper and plenty of ink came out
i have the tank epson to print my labels for my business, this is the one you NEED, and its not that expensive either, ull def save alot in the long run on refills of any ink you desire.
