I just find it hilarious that a group called the Guild of CALAMITOUS INTENT gets offended at being called "bad guys". Especially when they already refer to themselves as "antagonists" and "villains".
This is the organisation that has people like Red Death, who, outside of the job, is a loving father and husband and a good friend to anyone who knows him, but during the job can be utterly terrifying. Bad guy is just too blanket a term, implying an absolute morality to a world that doesn't have any. They're antagonists, because they antagonise.
@@GiratinaofFury exactly, plus as we've seen that the protagonists can do get excessive and vicious like any of the Ventures or that guy who leveled a city block with an unregistered super weapon.
I think The Guild council was offended not because they was called "bad guys", but because they was called bad guys by OSI. You know, by organisation that committed numerous war crimes during Pyramid wars, regularly kill civilians to hide their bases (like on the golf course) and who's bodyguards are instructed to kill the person they guard if they step out the line (Like situations with The Orb or with Rusty's teleport ). Even OSI assassins, that tried to kill Brock, straight up looks and act like bad guys.
they aren't osi? they're contracted assassins, by molotov cocktease I might add, to attempt to kill brock so that she has no more competition, under the guise that they were contracted by the osi. he probably only believes this because of what happens with his car
@@icicle_ai but "the good guys" don't hire assassins at all, do they? And the fact that Brock, who is a very experienced agent, easily accepted Molotov's lie shows that OSI is usually not above hiring killers from the side to do their dirty work.
@@user-vv7wu8rc8w I never said that they were the "good guys" I simply said that the assassins weren't OSI. Besides, she tells him this *after* he fucks up his passcode and is "terminated" with him taking apart his car that tried to kill him in the earlier episode
Funny enough when they get upset being called "bad guys" where they are some scenes, one with Dr. Girlfriend to the monarch saying, "Yes, we are BAD GUYS! PROFESSIONAL BAD GUYS!"
I get why this is a point of contention. While the OSI themselves could only be considered monsters pretending to be civil out of shame (whereas the Guild are monsters pretending to be civil because it's necessary to get what they want), the actual Antagonists and Protagonists they're supposed to be shepherding are much more in the grey area. Dr. Mrs. The Monarch makes the good point that all men and women of science are "a little nuts", and ironically Doc actually contributes to this issue by pointing out that despite madness and eccentricity, scientists have invented millions of things to make life better for many rather than just to better themselves. While the dangerous scientists who are all "I'll show them, they laughed at me, the fools" are absolutely in the Antagonist territory, some scientists who've gone off the deep end go such a way for other, more selfless reasons, like frustration with red tape, bureaucracy and businesses who will silence *anyone* to ensure profits stay up. I wouldn't class them as Protagonists because they end up fairly dangerous most of the time anyway, whether they intend it or not, so it's an issue that can't really be solved in one generation... let alone one *meeting.*
Or are victims of weird science accidents that then keep pursuing whatever caused the weirdness in the first place, Dr. Dugong seems like he was a mad scientist who is mostly good natured but would probably be classified as...at least eccentric.
That’s a good question Are you a bad person for improving the world by noninstitutionalized means Like, once they made a super cure for cancer that work on rats but not human test subjects. Would you be considered evil to break laws and scientific procedures to just jump to testing only on humans
Well to Jonas, it was all entertainment. That's why he actually made them fight in a pool. Rusty is neutral because he has lived through all the bullshit and grown calloused to it all.
In hindsight Jonas wrote about half the rulebook anyway, being the single most powerful individual on the planet for a good while there. He was *the* Protagonist of his era, but did so much evil, abusive, vile shit that him ratifying a treaty to expressly push off everything he did under the banner of heroism makes sense. Notice how many times the big problem the OSI push off themselves is that their side is always in the moral right, even when protagonists go rogue. Jonas acted neutral so he could keep playing both sides.
Honestly OSI claiming to be the good guys when they torture, mind wipe, de-stabilize foreign governments ETC is pretty rich. They're villains with a government mandate.
I don't remember the torture or destabalizing foreign governments. But we do know from the teleportation incident that they intentionally hold back technological progress so that they won't have to protect the inventors from the people they make obsolete. Just from that, they probably do more damage than the guild could ever hope to do.
While I agree the OSI are shifty as all hell. Calling yourself the "Guild of Calamitous Intent" and going out of your way to help people menace and terrorize folks they might have a petty rivalry against ( unusually against their wishes) does not leave alot of room to be offended by terminology, ESPECIALLY Phantom Limb. In the end both organizations are only ment to police the archings and make sure the collateral damage is minimum. It just so happens the Guild is more hands on with their members while OSI tends to sit back and watch till as Gathers put so colorfully "A truckload of shit has hit a very big fan"
Well it might be the case because A: marketing is easier. B: not all antagonists are bad people. An antagonist might be an individual who is doing something good. Blowing up whaling ships for example.
@@leeroyjenkins7325 He's also a senile old man who shares a body with another senile old man. Shore Leave, on the other hand, is a bona fide gunslinger with so many confirmed kills it's not even funny.
Whoa.. someone remember that show.. I thought I was one of the few there did.. it’s wasn’t The Simpson genius but it’s have some very funny good jokes now and then.. 😄
At points both were behaving like children, but In my opinion the Guild was the most reasonable at the summit. One agent for a level 5 engagement is rather adequate from what the show describes as a level 4-6, the OSI even lied by omission to try and sway the demand and completely refused to negotiate anything other than what they wanted, even though the Guild would. It also didn't help the OSI ironically kept antagonizing them.
God it's funny how unreasonable both sides are, Doc could really step in and mediate better as well. Logged level 5 arching escalated to level 9 via an Unregistered level 8 protagonist weapon, OSI needs to regulate better & shoulder more responsibility, Antagonizing / Arching timing needs to be regulated (like how red death and Sergeant Hatred operate)
OSI's dress uniforms actually look pretty dope. Also, I'm still surprised that Corporal Snoopy never turned out to be a mole or something. It seemed like there was no reason to make that character unless it was building up to something.
He was originally just a gag character who was only there for one episode, but then he just kept popping up because he was useful for exposition, and now he’s one of the main OSI guys
I don’t get the controversy. I thought if they’re not with the Guild, the OSI can take them down with extreme prejudice, and the OSI LOVES taking down people with extreme prejudice.
Brock you just learned last episode that your organizations coup de gra was a pointless false flag While a case can be made for the guild to be the bad guys, you are definitely not "the good guys"
If you are referring to the Pyramid Wars, those weren't a false flag operation, it was a frame job by the GCI, not the OSI. Plus even if they didn't kill Jonas, they were still a terrorist organization.
It's a nickname for Tyra Banks. "Tyty". She's a glamour woman who perfected the "smize", which she describes as a "fierce, intense eye expression, typically done with the eyes squinting with maximum focus and intensity, otherwise known as... smiling with the eyes". Smize. Smile with the eyes.
Ironically exemplifies the problem with centrist takes. This is clearly the OSI’s fault. There’s two organisations at the table there, not two forces of nature controlling “good guys and bad guys” so only registered people count. Level 5 arching isn’t classified as such when level 8 weapons are involved. So saying every level 5 arching requires two agents is pretty garbage too. And then that cringefest of a human male, that moustached osi dude, just challenging the other guys to a fistfight. All this for rusty to give a speech as if both parties should compromise
In the episode when the monarch tutors st cloud, Dr Mrs the Monarch LITERALLY SAYS “We’re the Guild of Calamitous Intent, we’re the bad guys, own it gentlemen” either she had a change of heart, or a little blip in the writing. Or maybe like other have pointed out, shes just insulted that the OSI of all people, called them bad guys.
Its more about petty politics than anything. Internally they're fine being bad guys and reducing the pomp when they need to cut to the chase but in front of competition they're overly serious. Phantom Limb was willing to get into a fist fight because ShoreLeave insulted his grandpa. Any point is a point of contention that night.
