After this video -- • Kendrick is the most o... -- there was a lot of hate. Dumb It Down got a clapback for all you weaker haters. His hate is supreme. Which points do you disagree with?
It’s a sign of how bad the rap landscape is today. Someone halfway decent comes along and it seems like they’re Shakespeare. The good news is it only gets worse from here!
@@AllBetzOff nah its because people were realizing that album was mid and he’s gettin all this commercial praise for it. For the so called GOAT, after a 5 year break in the middle of your prime, you should be releasing the greatest hip-hop album of all time. Yet it was mid.
Who implied Witney was sleeping with a bodied guard in the very first fucking song dude. I can tell a dude like you would let someone stomp on your family’s name
Pusha T overrated big buddy . Go play Jadakiss , Big L , Santana , Papoose . They can't make an alblum worth shit but that's real Spitters. It's not just about the lyrics . You gotta make complete projects .
Kendrick isn’t great, but Pusha T? Can anyone even name a Pusha T song that’s good?! Not a feature on a song a song that is just Pusha t…Haha Clipse is also forgettable.
It’s funny because it’s people saying it’s so deep and relatable but in reality it’s mostly people that never been through the struggle that the album is depicted to show lol 😂
Think I'd have to give this award to the other Interscope Darling, Eminem. Dr Dre is equally WILDLY overrated too. Never wrote his own rhymes, got production credit on like 40 Scott Storch beats where he just added drums.
@@boreragnarok You don't think the guy who's universally praised as "Greatest of all time", Dances around in women's clothing, does stupid gimmick voices, is hyper obsessed with making fun of celebrities, spent the last 5 of the last 10 years bitching about new HipHop artists, and then spent the next 5 years featuring with them to try to stay relevant, is overrated? He basically has only 4 categories of song; 1. His gimmick songs which is either "Woah, I can rap fast" or Quirky comedy pop culture reference shit, 2. Deep "Yo, I hate myself and being white, but I'm gonna prove that I'm black at heart!" 3. Attacking other rappers out of massive insecurity. 4. Mad at his Mother, Mad at some other female.
@@harrydavey9884he used his kamazaki album as an excuse to bitch about people that didn't like his revival album. Plus he had to go back to rehash something from his peak. houdini is 🗑🚮
Kendrick is so overhyped. His voice and flow just are mediocre at best. Kendrick is the kid with glasses in the battle rap meme, everything he says is ok at best but everyone’s blown away rofl
He's the only rapper in the planet to ever win a Pulitzer Prize. You don't get that by being overrated. No matter how much you hate someone you have to aknowledge their accomplishments.
@@zcizzorhandz5567 "keep up with Eminem" 😂 yeah, you invalidated your own opinion, there. Eminem sucks. He made 1 classic album and a bunch of dogshit dud pop albums.
To put it plainly, Kendrick does nothing at an elite level. Lyricism isn't, delivery isn't elite, flow isn't elite, story telling isn't elite, creativity not elite, live performance not elite, song writing not elite
Yep, and I'm not suprised people don't agree with you. Becsuse most people these days play into whatever is popular and what they are told to like by the industry. They also dont listem to a lot of music. Usually the same top 40 crap.
I still listen to Section .80 and GKMC, but nothing he’s put out since has clicked with me. The amount of people I see calling TPAB the greatest album of all time is mind boggling. I’ve seen people on r/KendrickLamar say it took them 10+ listens to TPAB to “get it” and they still don’t replay it.. Yet they will call it the GOAT album.
TPAB is his best album, but I agree the replay value is pretty low overall. I thought the only songs that I can kind of play every now and then that doesn't get boring is King Kunta, to a lesser extent Hood Politics and Alright. GKMC has more replayable tracks, I think "Swimming Pools" and "Money Trees" are the highlight of this. "The Recipe" is not too bad either in this department although it lacks a catchy hook like those two songs do. Don't Kill My Vibe got a lot of play back in the day, as did Poetic Justice. These are also in theory meant to be replayable radio singles. To be honest I don't think these are great songs, but the nostalgia is strong. In reality a lot of Kendrick's music to me I feel like will age like milk, but the people that spun GKMC back in the day are still nostalgic. Pop-rappers like Kendrick Lamar aren't meant to have a durable shelf life in the mainstream, especially with the 4 year break he took.
Kendrick’s problem is that he has a shelf life now. It was dope when he was calling out rappers on Control , having the BET Cyphers on lock, and drop three good projects, doing ballads with Taylor Swift and Beyoncé..He had the game on lock…..but that was in 2010-2017 . Rap is different now ( For Better Or For Worse). The pallet is wider. The underground acts are shaking shit up. We have Mach Hommy, Billy Woods, ka, Larry June, Roc Marciano, etc. Kendrick missed the bus and a lot of people in his class have either gotten better or have dipped off. His fans are only holding on to a memory of what it was for him back in his 2015 run. It’s over Kendrick don’t got it right now. And that’s ok. It happens to a lot of greats. Shit it happened to Rakim frfr. You have a moment and when that moment is over it’s over.
Most of Kendrick’s discog with exception of gkmc lacks replay value. His delivery & voice is weak. As far as content goes, he gives a lot of content without context. Lyrically he’s overrated too! Most of his features are nothing special.
@@MrASAPAB Section 80?? Lol... Kendrick sounds lifeless vocally on that album and most of the beats are wack. Hiiipower was an okay beat but Kendrick's voice is shit. What could have been a dope song was so wasted because Kendrick is a weak MC. "Hol Up", "Blow My High" and "Kush and Corinthians" are decent tracks the rest of the album is poor, especially "No Make Up" which has to be one of Kendrick's worst songs ever. Tammy's Song and Rigamortus have wack beats and wack rapping. Section 80 in general is a very poor and unpolished record with a few standout tracks.
This is FACTS!!! Like his storytelling is great, but I've never seen his wordplay as great. His music doesn't make me go "oh shit!! That was clever as fuck". It just doesn't. I have to be in a mood for his music. Meanwhile I can hear a J Cole, or Drake song come on and immediately vibe. There are countless other who are also more captivating. But Kendrick fans will try to burn me alive if I name them
The only ones to ever admit it. I guess it’s because I’m used to listening to Lupe, J. Cole, Lloyd Banks and mainly other east coast multi syllable type rappers nothing I hear from Kendrick is super impressive. Nipsey and 2pac seemed to impress me more. Solid artists but he isn’t the best out right now. I would give that to Cole. He takes over features and Might Delete Later takes it to another level. Pi was incredible.
I been telling people this for 10 years. He had a genius marketing campaign behind him that essentially brainwashed people in thinking he’s something that he’s not. Filled with Edward Bernays style propaganda.
I always found Kendrick boring. Don’t get me wrong, he has some hits, but nothing he does it unique or different. The Pulitzer Prize is known to be extremely bias towards liberal opinions so to me that doesn’t hold much weight. Idk, he’s definitely one of the better rappers of my time, but when people start ranking him top 5 or even top 10, it blows my mind.
Many thought Kendrick was this conscious savior of Hip Hop but after hearing his recent wack album, I feel he isn't all that. He got tired of playing the savior role and showed us just how overrated he is.
I know Kendrick is an amazing spitter but I absolutely HATE his albums. He occasionally makes a song I like but his albums are abysmal. I don’t get it. Why do people act as if he’s Gods Gift?
@@thehatersball504 I have tried to listen his albums on so many occasions but musically it’s ALL OVER THE PLACE. You can’t dance to it or vibe to it. It’s some slam poetry BS over some wannabe jazz shit and people act like it’s ART. Am I missing something?
I been saying this for years. I respect him as a lyricist but his technical ability in terms of rhyme schemes and patterns and such is beyond disappointing at times. He can go an entire 16 and not have a single intriguing rhyme pattern where he only hits the end rhyme and doesn’t layer a single sequence of words in succession like elite lyricists do. He’s getting nearer to the range of say a Kanye where I listen to him musically and not for the rhymes period. He showcases that ability so rarely I don’t get excited to listen to a full length project anymore. Also he was never some Lil Wayne-esque wordsmith where he says some off the walls clever shit so it’s really just his stories and production that’ll get me to listen on occasion. I’m a rapper myself and I know I’d BODY him in terms of pure rhyming ability so it’s annoying to hear ppl praise him like he’s the pinnacle of lyricism when niggas like me with no exposure are 10x more complex with my lyricism, rhyme schemes patterns and even wordplay. Would not dare throw him in a grouping of Black Thought DOOM Em or say a Big Pun.
Agreed, I feel like people who rap like the rap stars have not made efforts to define lyricism, and this allows fans to just call anyone and everyone a lyricist when they're really not.
@@Ra-PhaelIf we talking main stream rappers Lil Wayne is a fair example. Lil Wayne is a wordsmith of note and lyrically you could understand his hype between 2007-2011. I've personally got tired of his music but he still has bars and word play.
Good points. Kendrick got the Kung Fu gi from Jeru The Damaga. He was the first kung fu rapper really... He was heavy with it and like you said, he does not cite his sources. He take influences from LL and NAS and never mentions them.
Kendrick is just another Eminem type artist. Pushed like crazy by the huge resources of Interscope. He's a gimmick. His silly voices are gimmicks, his image is a gimmick and his subject matter is gimmicky. As a side note, Big Sean had the best verse on Control. It was clever, the delivery was outstanding and he crushed Jay and Kendrick lyrically.
@@thehatersball504 Yeah, subjective I suppose. I would say Kendrick's verse objectively made no sense though. Like, at all. That stupid shit about "you better off tryna sky dive out the exit window of 5 G5s with 5 grand, with your grandad as the pilot. And your parachute is a latex condom hooked up to a dread. Like that sounds like something some comedy punk band would say, it's lame and just makes zero sense. He's like a nerd who wants to seem tough and have like a gangster edge, whilst he's literally a 5 foot hipster dork, doing silly voices. Just baffling. I kinda feel like it's mostly suburban white hipsters who rate him.
@@harrydavey9884Interesting. I’ll say this about my city.. LA & Cali in general is diff bro. The diff types of ppl that bang a set would surprise you. Like there are hispter that bang a set, Skateboarders that bang, Surfers that bang, Nerds that bang, Spiritual mfkas that bang etc you name it. Hell there’s even Devil worshipers that bang a set out in Devil (Denver) lanes. Authenticity a big thing out here. Cuh diff or blood diff is a thing.
Hip hop died so this is why Kendrick is consideted top, theres no competition anymore J cole is def the goat today, after that anybody who rhymes clearly is considered a great rapper today
Good kid mad city was a very good album then he did “beware the detox” was good, which I can only find on RU-vid… but that’s it, every other album/track is completely forgettable and that puberty voice he does is pretty annoying
I love the point about him being painted as a revolutionary. I tried explaining this to my friends it's hard to take it seriously because we've seen it before and we've heard it from people who were actually around during those times. Despite the revisit charged times were in it's not the NWA days, if anything rappers have a lot of power with anti white/ police messages with little/no backlash.
@@davruck1 I said that he was painted as a revolutionary not that he is revolutionary if anything he has bitten ridiculously heavy from every '90s rapper and just added a new coat of paint
@@shemgilbert1991 you’re exactly right. That’s what he did. It was a marketing ploy by his label and team to sell to people who hate anything new and aka white people. He also talks about issues that concern people who live in white neighborhoods
@@davruck1future is even MORE trash than kendrick. You must be white talkin about “obsessed with lyrics” nigga lyricism is literally the art of MCing, delete this DUMB shit. Kendrick is trash, future don’t even belong on a mic.
Certain rappers also don’t need to be great lyricists to make great rap music. DMX and 50 Cent aren’t the most lyrical rappers but he made you feel everything he said and it was coming from a real place. I could give a pass on Kendrick not being very lyrical if he made great music but I just don’t find his music that great. His voice, flow, production, charisma, and lyrics are mediocre to me.
I feel like DMX did display good levels of lyricism, best example that comes to mind is the Damien track, and his verse on N-word done started somethin, and other stand out verses
I completely agree. You don't have to be a great lyricist to be a good rapper, but you gotta be a great lyricist if people are gonna say your number 2 all time. But like you said, he's lacking in a lot of areas. Lyricism is just one.
Purple Swag is a song with great production, great flow, great voice and charisma. But the lyrics are terrible. But guess what, you got 4/5, that's enough for a dope song.
@@coldstolen8666 And that’s my point. Kendrick doesn’t have great production, voice, flow, or charisma so any good lyrical performance he puts on doesn’t matter to me cause he can’t do those other 4 things.
You guys missed probably the most important reason or at least one of the top reasons.......beat selection/ production. The beat is the most important part to a song. If you have a boring beat, ppl are less likely to pay attention to what you're saying. Kendrick's beats aren't great.
Good point, but Kendricks beat selection varies a lot depending on the album, and the type of beats people like can be very subjective, so I tried to stick to things that were more objectively defined.
There's a whole conversation about the lack of edge from Kendrick too, he's never said anything truly shocking or impactful... he actually plays it ULTRA safe.
I definitely agree with y’all that Kendrick is massively over rated but I don’t necessarily agree that using unique words is a good metric to use to dictate whether someone is over rated or not. In this case, Aesop Rock would be the best lyricist ever but in reality he has no quotables and can’t recall anything he’s ever said. He’s not saying anything impressive really just rhyming big words for the sake of it. Aesop is whack!
I'm not saying best Vocabulary = best rapper. I'm just saying Vocabulary is one aspect of lyricism. Kendrick is not elite in Vocabulary or punchlines two major parts of lyricism IMO. Again I'm only bring up these points cuz ppl call him the greatest of his generation. My point was just to point out some of the things he's not great at I also don't think Aesop is whack but his music is definitely not for everyone.
@@DumbitDwn nah I def agree with you, I just don’t personally factor in “unique words” into a lyricist. Punchlines is totally fair, I can’t recall any Kendrick punchlines at all except the 9 out of 10 bar on nosetalgia but that’s it. Like there were rappers like DMx, Scarface, etc that were on a lower spectrum than Aesop but to me they say way more interesting stuff than Aesop ever could. But I do agree with you kendrick is massively over rated I just have a different metric of lyricism I guess
@MrASAPAB I agree I'm taking DMX and scarface over Aesop but I think Vocabulary is still a factor in lyricism look at the others who are high on the list GZA canibus immortal technique bunch of wu tang members those people are all considered lyricists. Personally I think 3 factors make up lyricism. 1. punchlines/Metaphors 2. Vocabulary 3. Rhyme schemes or how many words Rhymed.
@@DumbitDwn I agree with punchlines/metaphors and rhyme schemes for sure. To me mainly lyricism just comes down to are you saying something impressive and do your lyrics stick in my head (quotables, which Kendrick has zero like you said bro.)
my idea of lyricism is more focused on how the artist conveys a message through specific word choice, sound(rhythm) and placement, which applies to artists like Kendrick well who deviated from the Hip-Hop path and into a more conscious lane. However unlike goats like Nas and say Jay Z, Kendrick doesn't go for the same sound or values as "traditional Hip-Hop" like heavy, dense rhyme schemes and faithful sound to your origin of place(Compton), because his strengths lie in his poetic writing, that are story telling driven. This is why I'm not surprised that ppl don't like or even hate Kendrick because not just his non-traditional style, but also some other factors like: 1. Meat riding fans: I love kendrick because I'm more into what rappers are saying in a conscious sense and love his poetic lyrics and delivery like I love Yasiin Bey(mos def). However, as you gain a larger fanbase, you are 100% getting a ton of shallow fans that meat ride him to hell in every "comparison" to other rappers, which I hate, I just list rappers I like in no order (except JID, he my #1). 2. His voice. Ppl hate his nasally voice, and it's not the voice you "expect to hear" from Hip-Hop, however Hip-Hop recently is expanding into many lanes, like how drastically different Pac is from Kendrick and flippin Peggy bro 3. Production. This is a fair point, it's not the most flashy in some senses compared to boom bap, trap e.t.c... Kendrick prioritises lyrics and message to make its sound over the production, unless (in recent albums) he utilizes the sound to also assist the storytelling.
Thanks for watching and for the great comment. You nailed it the meat riding fans, annoying voice, lackluster production all make Kendrick intolerable. But we like conscious rappers and talk about them a lot on this channel. We prefer blu, kweli, Nas, common, mos def and others.
He had 5 years and came with wack beats , whack flow and got bodied by ever single feature 😂 2pac made all eyes on me in 2 weeks and ever song is good ...Kendrick had 5 years and every track is wack.
@@thehatersball504 OK great. what y'all saying is fax. It's just funny how obvious it is now. When I was saying this stuff on forums and in my videos 10 years ago, goofies went "you a hata u dun know wha u talkin bout."
Tochi the Kendrick cum drinking hater strikes again. Gotta keep Kenny’s name in ya mouf to get them clicks. I get it. But damn give this guy‘s D a break from sitting in between ya gap teeth baldie.
I see J Cole is below than Kendrick on the unique word list. To me, Cole is better than Kendrick lyrically. Im not a big fan of Kendrick but I think people do be reaching sometimes where they say he’s the greatest lyricist of all time. I like a few songs from him, I think when people hear his concepts, voice and his delivery, they believe he’s better. To me, your wordplay is also important to me along with those other things. I think people love his voice because his voice is similar to Lil Wayne voice. Raspy and him and Wayne delivery is a little similar so a lot of Kendrick fans are also Lil Wayne fans. That high pitch raspy voice is what people love. If you notice, that’s why he can jump on radio commercial beats and people will eat it up all the way. I didn’t like his verse on Control. I didn’t think it was good. Cole voice doesn’t bother me. People will say he’s boring or he has a terrible voice but his lyrics are great plus his voice does not bother me at all. Cole can rap on any beat also but he can sound good on boom bap beats. I would love to be on your show as a guest to talk about the same topic. I thought I was the only one who thought that Kendrick was overrated.
We appreciate the response and can try to do something like that in the future. Kendrick has different voices he uses, they are not all annoying, he has changed what he does because it was on the positive side of things back in the section 80 days.
@@thehatersball504 Ok cool. Im also a music producer and I would love to talk about certain topics of hip-hop today including Cole/Kendrick/Drake, who are the faces of this era and other MCs.
I know u did not try to compare him to Wayne, Wayne freestyled hits and inspired a whole generation of music literally every rapper we see now is a clone of Wayne
Inevitably, there's going to be a cool down period where popular culture looks back and really questions en masse "what was all that Kendrick worship about? Was it really justified?" I'm a writer, black, I love jazz and classical and Spanish music and literature and French rappers and French music and Rakim and Nas and MF Doom and Langston Hughes Stevie Wonder Prince Tchaikovsky Spike Lee Hitchcock Richard Pryor Andy Kaufman...so anway, yes, I fully good and well understand what Kendrick does, lol, to say the least. And it's just a guy who's talented, and who discovered that woke America, white people especially, latched onto him as a token "I'm down with this name in current black hip hop so therefore I'm hip!" artist. Hence we get nonstop signaling with INSUFFERABLE endless "Kendrick Lamar's latest half of a verse broken down by a professor literary studies from Harvard" KILL ME KILL ME VOMIT.What this is, is lowering the bar for what a genius is. Prince and Stevie Wonder played 13 instruments, sang their asses off live, wrote, composed, performed, produced in the studio dozens of albums and songs, danced and made huge political movements by themselves. Kendrick...raps. Prettty creative concepts with decent lyrics. Wow. Genius alert call the classical music scholars in and Shakespeare experts And watching how he's damn well playing into this role he's found himself in due to guilty white people needing a name they can praise to look with it, it's insufferable. The forced artsy deep gazing in videos, erratic "so weird and eccentric and genius" jerky dancing....just shoot me I can't stand it. Oddly enough, all of this has made it so that I find myself rooting for the pop star former Disney channel actor with a fucking heart shaved in his head who makes up dances to be popular to win in a beef against an actual talented rap artist.
Kendrick Fan: I actually came for a new opinion on one of my favourite rapper. If you apply some of your criticism across the board a lot of rappers wouldn't make the cut. Cole and Drake where low on the Vocabulary list and Method Man had the least unique words in the group, you cant say his the worst. Originality, come on give the man credit for going against the crowd, TPAB dropped during a very commercial moment in Hip Hop and he bodied your favourite rapper at the time. Not every great movie or book can be replayed, doesn't make the bad.
Thanks for coming with a open mind. This video was made over a year ago in response to Kendrick being called the GREATEST lyricist of all time. Jcole and drake don't fit that description either. Meth was never the best lyricist of wu tang he was the biggest star he's in the hooks has the most character etc. But GZA or deck were the best lyricists. Important to note as well this site uses rapper first 35000 words and some rappers like j cole or meth have some of there most lyrical verse later in their career where as Kendrick is widely praised for his first few albums GKMC Section 80 TPAB.
Im wit y’all. I ain’t feeling a lot of Kendrick’s new music right now. He really raps too woke for me and sounds like he’s depressed on almost every song. I get lyricism and rapping conscious but some of it is rapping complex without any real context to it. Just because it’s conscious and complex doesn’t mean it’s good. Cole sounds more polished and raps more witty than Kendrick. People hype up a lot basic Kendrick bars. Even on Control it was a bit overrated.
Kendrick is not that popular anymore anyway. Last album flopped, the family ties single was more popular than pretty much all of Kendrick's songs off MMATBS. Eras come to an end and Kendrick's is over, imo. He was on top for 2017 and 2013 but that's it for him.
I would say his verses on Nosetelgia and Bitch Don't Kill My Vibe remix were better than the Push and Hov verses respectfully but neither of those songs are like are as good as Pushas first 2 Clipse albums or something off The Blueprint for example, whereas if Kendrick was in a versus he would have to play them. For me it's catalogue, like I can at best pick 3 good songs off Section 80, 2 good songs off GKmC and TPAB, DNA off DAMN, maybe Duckworth, a couple okay features and that is it. How does this rival Taleb Kweli? Camp Lo? Let alone a Nas, Pac etc.
How is there Kendrick slander? Kendrick gives an honest and vulnerable experience as a black man in America. It’s people that y’all rate higher that don’t have a bigger vocabulary, are more creative, or have better flows pockets. But y’all got it.
Where is the slander? We're not saying anything false or spiteful just factual data and discussion. The ppl we rate high are high on the vocabulary list as well which is the point of showing the list.
The video is why he’s overrated and it’s nothing but cap…the video should be why I don’t like him cs him being overrated, because no real mc’s think that whatsoever
You can literally name 10 rappers who slay kendrick in any department. To me his rapping style is so boring. Nas Eminem Big Pun Biggie Meth these are the rappers who have some style
I'm a person that likes rap and listen to almost alot of rapper, and i can not still find anything special in his music and that voice changing and moaning on beat us just wack for me . That's my own opinion 🤷
@@thehatersball504 don’t know how this vid is relevant in any way ur picking apart the work of another individual and claiming that as ur “art” haha. LIFEEE go and get one u mosquito
This vocabulary point makes no sense if you don't account for total words used, or songs put out or something alike. If you have made twice the amount of songs, you are bound to have used more words. That is also why you see older gens hit higher unique word counts than newer gens, just simply more time saying words leads to more unique words used. Withing the group of people who have made music for a similair amount of time kendrick places pretty decently right?
No this is a study of each artist first 35000 words which is typically the first 3-5 albums in the artist career. You can check out the website it's explained very thoroughly.
Lyricist say abunch of words with alot of meaning. Kendrick says a moderate amount of words with a moderate amount of meaning cuz he's a moderate level rapper
Yeah I listen to Aesop rock and Gza a lot. When my co worker told me he has some of the best lyrics he’s heard I was expecting way more. I honestly like j coles lyrics way more
Kendrick didn’t even have the best verse on 1 Train - Asap Rocky. It was a couple other heavy hitters on there & they had better verses than Kendrick. He did not stand out lol
Its blasphemy what the media has done, Kendrick isnt even close to being as good as Drake, Drake smokes him in everything but kendrick is backed by the machine so they made it seem like he won.
He's one of my favorite rappers but I don't like mr morale or any of his recent features, you can tell his hunger is completely drained and he doesn't have it in him anymore
I wonder if Drake's numbers are diluted by his pop and pop/rap songs? For example, does a simple song like God's Plan get mixed in with 6PM in New York? Sure they are both rap songs, but the data may not reflect actual ability.
I literally had a conversation with someone about this. Someone tried to convince me that Kendrick is a god on the mic and can diss any rapper. Im like sure with his sneak dissing ass. There is nothing cool about sneak dissing someone because it tells me your afraid of fully expressing yourself and not a fan of conflict. One thing I respect some old school rappers they were more direct with their disses. Makes them more authentic to me. But other than that solid video
Yeah here after Kendrick dissed drake and j cole, "fuck the big 3, its just me"???? My brother you've dropped one album since Obama was president ain't nobody worried bout you.
if we're going based on "vocab lyricism" then apparently tupac was just average (and even worse then kendrick) and he's no doubt considered a GOAT and tpab marked his place as a great one because of the influence it had and it's originality. (good kid mad city was a story completely original to him too, so idk how that's not considered) ngl his last album was bad, but that shouldn't destroy his entire career and spot and one of the best.
@@DumbitDwn you don't consider tupac a great lyricist?? and according to that ranking do u consider kendrick a better lyricist than tupac? (also the chart put outkast as a group at 4,000 words, so that means each member only has about 2,000 unique words making both andre and big boi less than Kendrick..so come on) and i meant tpab as a cultural impact/influence and in how highly decorated it was (when it won the pulitzer prize), and still i find it high to argue that tpab and good kid weren't "original". sure it isn't copied (even tho logic copies kendrick constantly lol) but it still has influence.
@DSSbeats Instead of talking about the flaws of other rappers i want to ask? WHAT CAN KENDRICK DO BETTER THAN ELSE? To be #2 of all time you gotta be the best at something. Kendrick won award for DAMN not TPAB sorry. Check out our review of TPAB here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-51ByDj5jG0Y.html I said in the video lyricism has 3 parts vocabulary, rhymeschemes and literary devices such as metaphor/entendre/punchlines. You keep bringing up the vocabulary but there are other things that can make someone a good rapper. Even then lyricism is not the most important thing.
@ethanely6079 nope your first impression was right you just forced yourself to listen until you brainwashed yourself. Music doesn't grow on you it rewires your brain.
Love this video because all these RU-vidrs praise Kendrick like he is this savior. I’ve been saying for the past 10 years Kendrick Lamar and Eminem are the two most overrated rappers to ever come out, but if you look and see that Interscope and Aftermath are the ones who back them it makes sense. They got the marketing and promotion machine and all these hip hop media sites in their pockets to hype them up to be considered GOATS or put them on these top 10 list. GKMC I’ll say is a classic though I would never put that album anywhere in my top 10 favorite hip hop albums let alone top 50. I liked TPAB as well. However, I looked at DAMN as the most overrated hip hop album ever made and doesn’t hold up today. Also MMATBS despite not being as well promoted to me was mid at best and really doesn’t hold great replay value. I agree as well I feel Ghostface Killah killed him on that song. Even Kodak Black sounded better on that one song he did with him even though Kendrick is the better rapper when it comes to Kodak. Although I think he is a great artist I feel when you look at all the other rappers there is he definitely isn’t what they rate him. I feel a lot of Kendrick’s success comes having the right team backing him and coming in at a time when hip hop has been so watered down. If Kendrick didn’t have the right team backing him or we placed him in a golden era like 90’s I don’t feel people would be giving Kendrick this praise.
Thanks for watching hope you enjoy some of our other videos too. We agree the media pushes certain artists and they make lists based on promotion more than talent.
@@thehatersball504 you’re welcome and great content keep it up. I feel like people overlook these little details. They don’t know how to look at things objectively and don’t really understand the industry politics they just kinda take the music, the media feeds at them, and start follow along with that narrative.
🤣 …y’all are funny, I’m here for the Kendrick slander. Real talk tho I ain’t always wit the voice switches too …but Kendrick definitely one of dem ones 🐐 *if we’re being real
lets just put it this way everyone has different opinions and that's okay but no need for all of the Kendrick haters to all come to a jerk circle to hate on this man LMAOOOO
Finally someone that agrees with me! Kendrick is way overrated. His voice is annoying just like Eminem’s. But at least Eminem sometimes has some dope lyrics. Everyone praises this man like he’s the best rapper alive
The game is backwards and fucked up. Tde pushes Kendrick as the r golden child. If you want to know real from fake look at ab soul. Ab soul helped Kendrick so much and ab soul was never Given a chance. But ab souls humble and never wanted or neeeded it. Ab soul is the greatest rapper since the 10’s
I'm not so keen on Kendrick myself but using the number of unique words as an argument for someone being lyrical or overrated is kind of far fetched. That's not a metric to judge a rapper by. Then you say Pac, Ice Cube, etc. had more powerful messaging. That kind of goes against what you said in your first point. Pac and Cube were straight to the point and direct in how they conveyed their lyrics. No big punchlines, metaphors or similes and all that. Those things may create dope sounding bars but in most cases it results in your message getting lost in translation. A message only packs a punch when it's more simple and effective. Complexity does not equal powerful messaging. Those are seperate one way streets and you can't have both. The voice thing. The change ups are a stylistic device. Swimming Pools where he changes his voice to sound like his mom, i think. It's exactly what Slick Rick did with changing his vocal inflections. It just helps telling a story better instead of rapping from a third person perspective. Kendrick does have some cringe shit sprinkled here and there though. Not gonna lie.
I think one issue not covered in this conversation is substance… Substance is a big part of lyricism because you could wrap your ass off and be saying nothing
@@thehatersball504 Not really, the only people that are in the comments are the Kendrick haters that searched “Kendrick is overrated”. No one searches this typa video besides them, compare to the millions of people who praises Kendrick.
Doesn't mean they're bad but it does mean that media should spend less time talking about them and more time talking about the underrated and underground artists.
@@QwertyBlowjob Well, when media hypes up an artist, they get more exposure they become more popular, and they make more money. If they hyped up other artists, the same thing can happen its cyclical
Everything yall said i been saying i agree with 95% the oniy things i disgree is schoolboy makes better music ?? He don't have nothing better then sec80 or gkmc then the vocabulary lyricism thing having a bunch of big words doesn't equate to good songs or great lyricism its just having excessive words aseop rock has heavy word play but his music is not good there for irrelevant
He is the greatest artist of all time. He makes music that is beautiful and is bigger than just music and has made song than are so deep and powerful get this joker out of here. TPAB is the greatest album of all time.
1st I love seeing black folks putting out content 2nd I agree I think Kendrick is some what overrated, although his 1st album ia a classic, In my mind However this video is trash Seriously brothers take a step back and be honest with your selves. I think yall totally missed the mark on this one
@@thehatersball504 yh not many ppl hold him in high esteem comparing to kendrick, even in joeys prime he was underrated. But real ones know, we recognise.
Look I don’t listen to Kendrick but just because you use a wide vocabulary doesn’t mean you’re a lyricist. To me DMX is a lyricist and examples of his ability shine well in songs like “Damien”, “How it’s going down” “N-words done started something” … it’s not what words you use but how you use them.
