PSA Dagger 9 Gun Review : Was it Worth the Wait? 

The fact that that's not even an exaggeration is depressing.

@@timblack131 I just can't entertain the idea of paying a dollar a round for 9mm. Brownells just sent me an email advertising a two hundred round bundle for 199.00. They can choke on it. I would rather start reloading.

@@stevehoch9528 Damn straight. I'm glad I just went ahead and bought a pair of 10mm's last year. I still have a few 9mm pistols but I've just been buying 10 lately for the same price or cheaper than 9mm. Like the original comment said, insane times!

@@stevehoch9528 good luck reloading...you can’t find primers anywhere. When you do they cost as much as completed bullets or more

@@stevehoch9528 I have a Dillon and about 2000 primers left that I’m putting off using because I can’t find any for less than $200-300 per 1000 still need the projectile powder and shell. Become nearly the price of a $25-30 per 50.

buy a glock or build a polymer 80 (while you can).

#peanutbutterandjelly

@joshypoo79 when?

@@everydaycarry1328 he imagine it.

It should be priced at $200. Other brands like Taurus and smith and Wesson has guns for $300. I would buy a Taurus over a psa gun

Proven reliability? Give it a few years before you trust your life, your loved ones life or an innocent’s life. Buy a Glock or s&w or sig.

@@scottshoe842 it uses Glock gen 3 internals...

How do you know it has glock reliability? I’d buy a Taurus or smith and Wesson over this unknown pos

@@alconyers2003 juSt aS gOoD

Dont like the idea of saying a newly released clone is as good as perhaps what is the greatest 9mm ever made Look at the 1911, how many companies made shotty 1911s? They "had the same internals" as colt

Here here

@@turns-jt7te And hear, hear!* ...English, it is so hard to master! 😀

They definitely aren't 😤

@@NoNo_IStay are you sure? Maybe they were taking a risk by making a ton of them for the pandemic market place and waiting for everything to calm down a bit to throw them off to the masses.

There is one right now on Gunbroker but be ready to pay 3 times its price. $504 as of right now.

@@villafontananorte I'd rather buy a real glock.

@@villafontananorte 🤣🤣🤣

Indeed

Check at 4pm eastern. They are usually gone within 30 minutes

They have the green & black in stock right now

Go check now

Offered one yesterday. Can’t wait for it to ship.

I second AND third that

And I forth that as well!

A version with RMR cut and suppressor height sights is already in the works. Might be awhile before other colors become available, but I see no reason why they wouldn't do that eventually.

Forget RMR cuts. They are useless on a handgun.

@@defundguncontrol9131 welp, you're wrong

I was glad to see it as well. I was wondering what they were going to do with that building.

This a very intriguing entry at a very attractive price point. I noticed he included a disclaimer about not having any problems with his guns and intimating that some folks can break an anvil with a feather. When manufacturers send out a T&E item their vested interest is making sure that it should perform flawlessly for the review. It's not Sootches doing, it's the companies sending out the T&E guns. This particular one was heavily oiled and call me suspicious, but I think they went over it very closely and oiled it down prior to shipping. Not thinking that when I order one that it will arrive quite the same. This doesn't mean that the one I buy would necessarily be a piece of junk, just that it hadn't been thoroughly checked out prior to shipment and might possibly have some production issues not present in the T&E gun. I used to do computer equipment reviews and know first hand that what they sent to me for testing and evaluation had already been checked out before sending it out to help garner positive reviews that aid in sales. It's the name of the game. I believe Sootch is giving a fair review of the stuff sent to him, but ask yourself how confident are you that the one you can buy off the shelf will be as flawless as the T&E version?

My g48 is looking at me stomping its feet pouting 😂😂

Buy me one too

They have yet to release online I talked to a sales representative In store they keep saying they don't know when they will be released keep given me run around.

they have been released online

4pm est

You could have bought 2 glocks by now.

Don't hold your breath. Remember the MP5 clone that they are also saying that they made. I want the RMR cut one too but I'm not waiting on it anymore. I bought what I wanted.

500 on gunbroker lol

@@marquez4497 yup. And somebody already made a bid on it!

@@x.adam1 bought the 4” shield plus and put a 405k on it all while I been waiting a year for the dagger.

I'm building mine for 2 fitty😮😮

Now how would old ass Gaston Glock be a billionaire then? lol

I can't prove my source but I once read that the Glock was originally intended as a budget gun but demand ended up making it a semi-premium item.

What, so they could be gobbled up and resold one the secondary market for a higher price? People have trouble understanding this but they are worth whatever people are willing to pay for it.

Glock needs something fresh in their lineup. Other companies are more competitive about Glock style pistols than Glock.

If Glocks are too expensive then buy something cheaper. Like this pos. But I know, no policeman will ever trust this as a service weapon. I dam sure won’t. Not even as a back up weapon

Agreed. But Inb4 glock fanboys start screeching at the both of us.

Yeah but at least you can buy a Glock. This is worse than Keltec in actually getting it out to market.

@@TCLe Oh no doubt. I doubt it’ll be as reliable as a glock whenever it does hit the market, It’s the more ergonomic frame, and metal sights from the factory. I know glock has changed the internals over the years, but the biggest change over the generations is whether it has finger grooves or not. That’s not ingenuity, that’s lazy design work. Especially for how much a glock costs for a civilian. If you’re going to drop 500-600 on a handgun, just get an M&P 2.0. For LEOs I get it, because glocks are sub 400 for them.

@@TCLe Unfortunately, you're absolutely correct.

Glock has improved the design several times. The newest Gen 5s are super nice. The fact that you think "finger grooves" are the biggest change shows me you probably don't actually shoot Glocks, but here is a good example. Take the Glock 23 for instance. Changes made from Gen 4 to Gen 5. Gen 5, made the slide wider & heavier. Changed multiple trigger components. Changed the barrel. Made slide stop Ambi. Changed the finish. Added front slide serrations. Added MOS option. Changed accessory rail. Added flared magwell.

The Dagger and 10 mags? That's a hell of a deal for $400 I would've scooped it up as well

Thanks Brother! It's a no brainer : )

@xamot80 i have a CZ P10c, I just bought the 299 dagger today lol

@xamot80 I have one of their AR's from last year. They make real guns, that do get shipped out, and do work (their AR carbine is the only AR I've ever shot, but it cycles nicely and the charging handle pulls smoothly). If you had any clue about the materials supply issue...

they have a deal for an AR15 AND the dagger for $799!!

​@@sootch00if I put money into the trigger will it be better

LOL 'BUT DOES IT TAKE GLOCK MAGS"

@@darthvillarious from what I hear it might

@@rockerdude8000 lol yeah that's just the first thing everyone defaults to because so many ppl have Glock mags.

@@darthvillarious lol. I just wanna get my hands on that PDP. I know how much you love the PDP..... PPQ

This is a serious thing. No laughing. No glock mags = no go.

U get what you pay for. Sorry you can’t afford a glock. Work harder and you won’t have to buy generic 😂

@@alconyers2003 Not everyone thinks a Gucci bag is a good purchase.

@@alconyers2003 you always listen to the gun store guy don't you?

Millions of ppl believe Glock to be overpriced average handguns!

@@markedman3990 “Millions” of people also voted for Joe Biden 😂.

@@Dontworryboutit777 I want it so bad

Whatever happened to the psa mp5

@@robertl1135 That still a thing?

Jakl? Never heard of it. I'll have to find some info on it.

@@jerroddooley374 look it up

Can't wait to find them on armslist posted by clowns for 1500 under "custom dagger" I know what I got.

@@s1lentcalib3r Some clown will buy it.

@@5jjt you got that right. you can go on there now and see all the dumbasses wanting 1500 plus for some junk ass Anderson and psa "custom high end builds" LOL.

Why would anyone want a brand that sells all brands. That’s like Walmart coming out with a generic version of condoms. Trust your life with generics and you will find someone happy and living off your life insurance

@@alconyers2003 I’m noticing a common theme to your spam.

I think it's because it has a steel guide rod.

Who wears Jordans?

@@tommcfarland5368 people with feet im told.

@@MrMiller81 lol

Right lol. I know it was available for a little bit, but it sold out right away

Join the palmetto state armory handgun owners group on Facebook and they’ll notify when they drop. I got one last Friday

@@plantedad3659 thanks

Exactly my plan.

That's to build the hype even more for something we can't seem to get.

my thoughts exactly

Right lol

How good is Fiocchi? Never been sure how it compares to other stuff.

@@cd7up speaking from what my experience was it’s not bad at all burns clean i was really surprised as to how clean my pistol was after shooting a few hundred rounds at the range

@@cd7up now just my opinion stay away from ammo inc tried both the .9 and .45 not clean burning at all but then again that’s all we could find

Indeed a no brainer

Exactly

Buy this and the Taurus, have your main & back up for less than the cost of a Glock. Sounds like a winner to me.

Great idea. I have the new GX4 and love it and the Dagger is the first "Glock" I've seen that I actually want to buy. How can it be a Glock clone and not be ugly. Kinda like how Liv Tyler looks like Steven Tyler but she's gorgeous.

*note* - She lied.

Thanks David! We're planning a Wheaton Arms transformation video coming up! Yeah, the optics ready version is going to be crazy.

I think that a lot of people are going to be disappointed in the ancient design. There are so many new, modern, great options, especially in the micro 9's, that

continuing... I don't think that the sales will be very good.

@@_cal_techie I agree that the design itself is not anything new and would blend in with the others except for price. That's where all the excitement is coming from. Thanks Brother

@@sootch00 ohh yeah drop one of Robbie's barrels and triggers in it and it would be sweet

Even if it came in at $400-$450 it would still be an insane value.

He said the optics ready should be under 400, so I’m guessing 399

When they announced the Dagger at Shot a couple years ago they said the optics ready version with a threaded barrel would be 350 www.gunsholstersandgear.com/2020/01/22/palmetto-state-armory-ps9-dagger/

Yup. $349.99 with an RMR-cut slide, suppressor-height sights and a threaded barrel. Also a complete frame for $99.99. Both were supposed to ship along with the base model in March. March 2020.

That's supposedly coming, but PSA is swamped with orders right now. There's not a lot of incentive to work on new products when your old products are selling out constantly as fast as you can make them.

Thanks Ray!

Yup. I asked to be notified when they first announced it at shot show over a year ago. Never got the email. Just signed up to be notified again. SMH.

Right!?!?

Yup they should do a Gucci Zevtech version just so the masses can flex. At least you get a warranty too

It's missing the brass to the face feature of the Gen 4. Or is that a flaw?

But wayyyyyyyy lesss then a crock, I mean Glock.

It looks like a base model Gray Ghost Inc slide on a Shadow Systems frame.

@@aldousorwell3807 looks nothing like a shadow frame. Looks more like a grey ghost frame than anything

Glock calls it perfect, ceases to innovate. Those that 'clone' them, seek to improve on the design. I can't say I'm surprised.

That is why I own no Glocks. Shadow Systems has a back strap that mimics the 1911 angle. I have three of them and they are great.

Lone Wolf 's "Timberwolf" frame.

I think glock fanbois are supposed to insist that you just need to practice and change your grip entirely for the gun. Because ergonomics are not high on Glocks list of important features. They show up, but are seriously behind so many other people now.

@@SlavicCelery If they had less backstrap hump and used palm swells and eliminated the finger grooves on compacts and subcompacts these ergnomonics would not be as much an issue. But the Tuetons are stubborn.

Yea, a 1911 grip angle sounds pretty spicy.

It's not going to be better than a glock because Palmetto has shitty quality control.

@@bangbang44500 you've just been whining about palmetto because you had a bad experience. Your 1 experience means absolutely nothing statistically.

@@bangbang44500 palmetto has made alot of changes in all departments and my source would be psa.

@@bangbang44500 that seven months of holding off a release would be a good sign. Btw. Likely error correction. If only keltec would take notes...

@@bangbang44500 Not saying you're wrong, but I've encountered multiple glocks with poor QC. Not so much Gen 3 and before. But 4-5 generations I've just encountered some crappy glocks. It happens to everyone.

Thanks Gerardo! They are saying these should be in stock soon. Hopefully sooner than later.

@@sootch00 Hopefully

got my sd9 used, barely fired with Talon grips and Apex trigger and spring kit for 300...fantastic gun

Me too

ditto

Agreed too M&P like. It would be the first thing to get replaced is that trigger shoe.

Unions are good things... sorry brother

@@jtdundee no unions here

WAY too much slop.

Yep. And then we can find out how durable it is

I’ll stick with the real thing since I’m not willing to gamble my life over a couple hundred $$$

They state that they will be making an announcement soon but they are ready for market

@@sootch00 got mine yesterday

@@sootch00 they had them for sale last Friday and some on Tuesday

@@865P Any idea what time of the day they had them available on Friday and Tuesday? was signed up to get notified when they were back in stock but never got a notification. will probably just have to camp out on the website constantly refreshing.

@@thebeastondrums the PSA notification system takes one hour to notify people after something is in stock. It's unreliable because they always sell out before notifications are sent.

Yup thats exactly what it is.

@@floridaredfishin8209 yeah, no way to deny it.

Yeah, they cloned a glock once the patent expired

I too am interested in the gx4 I love my g2c

@@joshjohnston2986 this all came in when I finally thought I didn’t need more guns, Taurus (GX4) and PSA decided to come out with some new nice stuff. Good thing my bday is close by.

😂😂😂😂😂😂 Its funny cause it’s true...

It may have cost them more to get the ammo they are selling they have to make profit 9mm around me is almost a dollar a round which is bonkers

They aren't price gouging the ammo. They literally have to bid on pallets of ammo.

Don’t trust what they tell you... they just want more and more of your dollars

@@liljackypaper they also jacked up the prices of AR parts and uppers... BCA and Midwayusa also did the same! Greedy bunch of D-bags! making money hand over fist over our panic of the pandemic

At SHOT Show / January 2020, PSA said the Dagger (named the DAGR at the time) would be sold à la carte.