PSA Micro Dagger : Head to Head with issue’s 

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Running this gun stock, with PSA mags, ZERO ISSUES. Gun is overall extremely solid, especially for the price. The fact that there are issues with feeding and slides locking back with OTHER BRAND magazines doesn’t bother me. I’ll stick with my PSA mags. Who wants to run all these other weird magazines anyways? Nothing beats stock

PSA had issues when their daggers (full/compact) came out and they've since corrected those issues and they're extremely reliable now. I would wait a year or 2 for the micros to get the same treatment.

Hmm, maybe we should stop modifying our guns with new triggers and learn to run them original?

Glock 43x and the 48 do not have a channel liner either, the same as the micro dagger. I also had some issues running Shield Arms mags in the Micro, no issues with factory Glock or factory PSA Micro mags.

I dont accept break in periods. My hellcat has run 5k rounds without one failure with every kind of ammo you can think of. Only other micro compact I trust is SW Shield Plus.

To be fair they do clearly say it's only compatible with their mags

They literally told you what the issue was in your last video. I had the same issue with a canik once. People have also had the same issue with Walthers. The trigger bar is not interacting with the firing pin block when you pull the trigger.

If you’re used to firing a bigger gun, your slide not locking back is usually an operator error. your firing hand thumb is most likely resting on the slide release. You may need to adjust your grip and move your firing hand thumb over or down over the support hand thumb Your thumb pressing against the slide will also create a double feed because you’re hanging up the slide.

Good seeing Mini Josh on the Channel, hope the Family is doing well and thriving buddy 🤘

I'm not making this comment to say you DONT do this. I'm making it as a PSA When I got to my first duty station in the army, we had a Master Armorer who should have been a SGM 2 times over but for whatever reason chose to stay an SFC and stay in the armory, passion for gun, whatever. Any who my buddies and I would go to an off post range every weekend and he'd be there. He came over and asked if any of us had new weapon systems we've recently purchased. Some of us did, he showed us that whenever you buy a new gun, rifle or pistol, to take it apart. Wipe factory oil/lube, put in some car oil, hoppes no 9, whatever gun oil you like best. Rack the slide/charging handle around 200 times to simulate an average range day. break in the spring, let the slide shave any uneven polymer or metal that it would while you were shooting, with occasional dry fires. I've done that with every gun for the last 12 years Ive owned personal firearms and have never, over 12 different manufacturers and around 3 guns per brand. have ever had my weapon malfunction on me. the closest thing was a Canik TP9V2 that a girl I took to the range limp wristed, had a stove pipe. That procedure pre wears the springs, "mills" the slide to the polymer or metal frame for you and prevents sharp edges from causing misfires at the range. Try it out

Fyi, the Glock slimline guns do not have a channel liner from the factory. The trigger issue could possibly be a tuning issue between the connector and the triggerbar, but a mish mash of different parts can also cause iasues as well.

Matt at PSA is spot on with the trigger connector adjustment. QC junk #1. I couldn't wait to get the comp'ed slide for this lil guy.. and QC junk#2. Boy, did it show up rough. I contacted PSA customer service. They said it was from "test firing." The barrel looks like it was kicked down a flight of concrete stairs... It looks like it had at least 50 rounds through it judging by the powder on the comp. Man..... the gun feels great, it looks great too, and I agree with affordably arm the people but, at this point, I'm thinking it's not gonna make it to a daily. It's likely to just mosey on back to South Carolina.

I only run PSA mags in my micro dagger. I do however use non promags in my compact and full size daggers since PSA didn't mag any dedicated mags for those.

Thanks for showing. I have the compact dagger and just ran 300 rds today and its been perfect. Looks like more issues with the micro dagger

I think it's the shield arms mag because I had a buddy that made a Glock 43 poly 80 build and the shield arms mag did the same thing and left one round in the mag. The follower did not go up far enough to put the cartridge into the chamber

I was using a micro dagger lower with a Glock 43 upper and the PSA 15 round magazine. It would not lock back or feed reliably, I put in a Glock 17 OEM magazine spring and problem solved.

Pretty much sums up why I won’t buy any gun when it first comes out. Great video guys 👊🇺🇸

No issues with the one I have! All stock no upgrades.

Moar Little Josh!

I’m calling PSA customer service tomorrow to request a new barrel. Feed ramp on my brand new MDC-1 has deep horizontal scratches. QC seems to be slipping. I’m hoping PSA will make it right.

I have had nothing but good luck with PSAs rifles and rifle parts . HOWEVER, I have built out 3 daggers (g19) using dagger frames, aftermarket trigs and barrels , ect . Of the 3 , one is running right now . The PSA dagger can NOT be regarded as a platform . Best I can tell the tolerances are to wonky to use with other Glock compatible parts without being a huge pain . Also , one of my daggers has a dead trigger too . If you buy just a dagger , a whole gun , you probably won’t have any trouble. If you buy dagger parts as a Glock compatible platform , you most assuredly will .

Thank you for educating me on the micro dagger WOW

My sample size of 2 has zero issues with both psa and Glock mags. Personally it seems like you are the cause of the feeding issues. The shield arms mags have a bad name but ETS has an absolutely terrible name in the industry. Glock OEM and PSA OEM mags I have 10 of each and have run about 1500 rounds through them, no issues. The only issues I had came yesterday with S&B 115 ball, that ammo jammed both pistols every other round. I stripped a couple mags and gave a box to the guy next to me and it worked great for them. It was jam city for me with that ammo. Otherwise the c-1 and extreme carry cut in fde have been flawless

Got 2 Daggers and a Rock57 love them. For what I am seeing most folks are having problems with the Micros. So, I will be not buying one for now. Good to see little Josh.

I got my Micro frame back from PSA, they said that a break in period would help. They claimed tolerance stacking from the dagger frame coupled with the G43 slide, also the slide being Cerakoted was the problem. Neither my G43, PF9ss nor my SCT G43x frames had these problems.

The first 43x I did was a PSA Micro frame and an off brand slide (psa didn't have slides in stock at the time) it had the trigger not wanting to release the striker issue. It never stopped working like yours but it got progressively worse until the trigger pull was obscene. I checked the trigger bar to striker engagement and it was like 130%. I adjusted the tab and corrected the geometry. I was surprised at the Micro trigger bar metal. It's not as hard as a glock oem trigger bar. That said, after that it functioned 100% the next trip to the range. Then I installed a p80 flat trigger shoe and a ghost connector, and tightened down the slide rails on the km tactical slide. I like it enough that I bought another micro frame with the two mags to do another pistol. Have only used psa mags. Have about 10 more hours of dry fire on it.

I bought some mag pull mags 15rd for my G26 and a couple of OEM G19 mags, the mag pulls just didn’t work. I run the OEM mags on the G26 and now I’m running them on my Dagger compact and ZERO issues after 150rds. I’m not interested in the Micro so I wouldn’t be able to give my thoughts but with the Dagger compact OEM Gmags are the way to go.

Does the PSA micro dagger have a steel/aluminum/ metal alloy magazine release or a polymer magazine release like the Glock 43x? Because if it's metal, it's going to tear up those polymer glock mags, which would cause a feed issue. If it's polymer, the shield arms mags are going to tear up the polymer catch on the magazine, which would again cause feed issues. You can only do metal to metal and polymer to polymer. With you mixing of mags, YOU might be the problem. Not the gun.

video out there on doing after market trigger jobs, when they are just slightly out of alignment, trigger reset are a common issue, like trigger bar, shoe, etc.. if you keep factory items in, no issues, so when you install after market items, you will have to make adjustment with various part(s) whole trigger assembly, inluding the housing, etc. oh, there is also a video out there about mags, if you look closely at all 3, PSA fits best, more snugg in the mag well, where the others have some play, cause some of the hang ups. and yes that upper may be out of spec too

There you go. Don't use shield arms magazine. Use PSA micro dagger magazines or the glock 43x 10 round magazine.

Just send both Daggers to me for some additional testing. I’ll get back to you in a couple months 😂

Just buy a Glock.

So what youre sayin is never betray the Hi Point nation for PSA

I've got some experience working on/ modifying Glocks. The way your trigger was acting in the last video, it seems like your cruciform never disengaged from your striker sear surface. As you pull the trigger back, the cruciform should drop off the ledge in the trigger housing, thereby disengaging from the striker sear surface. Instead, you could pull back as far as you wanted, as hard as you wanted, and never drop the striker. I don't think that was debris in the striker channel, because I don't think your trigger bar cruciform ever let go of the striker. Get an armorer's backplate and you should be able to see if that's what's happening. It could also be out of spec geometry on the trigger hole, trigger bar, or even something jammed in the trigger housing not letting the cruciform drop, or the actual trigger shoe could be broken/ no longer engaging with the trigger bar (I could see a cracked trigger pin hole causing this issue intermittently). This is my guess on the dead trigger issue, and doesn't have to do with your mag issues.

Well seems like they run well on manufacture partsr my stock one goes bang reliably💯

The sleeve is used to basically make it a smoother area for the striker to slide. As far as the glock mag issue, I would be interested to is where the mag catch is on each mag. The PSA mag be designed to sit a little lower. Or your slide is too tight against the lower.

Not that it would make a difference with the cycling issues but when running the shield arms mags, have you guys also changed to a metal mag release? Because I’ve heard the shield arms metal mags will eat up the polymer mag releases. Maybe that can cause some seating issues

My uncle gave me his G19 that he had for 8 years. I carried it for almost 6 years, but my buddy wanted it pretty bad, so when I went S&W M&P, he got it. He carried it for another 3 or 4 years. I must have put at least 1000 rounds through it. My uncle probably put close to that though it, and my buddy another 1000 easy. No failures to feed, eject, fire, or cycle. With the exception of my uncle, perhaps limp-wristing a few shots because of him developing Parkinson's. That's why I got the G19. There's just something about a Glock. I just like the grip, thickness, and carry-ability of my M&P Shield. So I don't see the need to switch out. Great video, bro. Thanks & God speed.

So wild that as a firesrms owner you font know hiw these things work and how to adjust them. Psa literally even copied the gen 3 design so its easier for people to understand and for parent reasons. . I put a different shoe (tactical pontoon) in mine, but ive put 1200 rounds through it flawlessly, and ive had both a regular slide and a c1 slide on both a p80 ssnframe amd a micro frame. Matt very clearly explained your issue. All you need to do was was give it just a hair of an outward flex to fix it. Please, learn the mechanics of the tool before you claim that its faulty or broken. They did everything they could to make it super user serviceable, and they are beyond helpful on reddit and facebook.

In my Micro D there was a metal burr in firing pin channel from the extractor cutout being drilled too deep and pushed the edge of burr into the channel. After bending sliver it popped off.

I really like my standard dagger build. But like all my guns i waited over a year, waited for demand to slow down and let them work the kinks out. Its been 100% ordered a complete lower and completely built the upper, only splurged on my "hackathorn" sights and an all steel recoil rod. Im gunna do the same with the micro. Hopeful they run a non optic cut line. A bit of a boomer i guess 😅

Bought one a few weeks back and have put 200+ rounds through it with no issues. I’ll update this if something happens

6000 rounds no failures with my glock 48 and shield arms.

Hey guys, I'm just trying to help. Had a similar issue on the compact series. I just pushed the slide stop level spring down, and it solved the problem.

My micro dagger had lots of problems. Dead trigger and the recoil spring was out of spec. It wouldn’t run a whole mag. I have now replaced almost every part I can with OEM Glock parts. Tactical Pontoon trigger. I run Gen 2 Shield Arms mags and it now runs perfect. I will not be buying any more. I could have almost bought two Glocks for the money I have in this PSA.

If you run a shield arms mag it doesn't seat and can fall out whether it's in 43x 48 or micro dagger. If you run the metal mags you need the metal mag release. Psa mags are meant for polymer. My only issue with psa mags is that the plastic melted through consistent use. I was loading them with a speed loader and mag dumping. After a 800 end day the mag was melting. Had to take a file to it to clear the plastic lump

Awsome update. I just went out and shot my mirco dagger, and I'll just say it hates steel case ammo 😢, sorry magtech lol so ima end up getting an oem glock barrel for it. But I have got a shield mag for it, too, but no issues there. Other than that, I like the feel and the way it shoots, got an Align tactical thumb rest for it, and like it more.

Every gun company is chasing Glock's reliability and reputation...just buy a Glock. They work.

I have a micro dagger frame with a Glock 43 original slide and haven't had any issues.

I have a Glock 43X MOS with a PSA comp slide on it so far no issues with the Glock mags . I thought you weren’t supposed to use the Shield arms mags until you changed out the polymer mag catch to a metal one?

I stick with o e m parts for everything that I own that includes cars and motorcycles. I don't mix and match junk.

Might check out the video SOTAR did on his channel with shield arms mags.

Where did little Josh get that Wu-tang jacket? Me want!

When you buy a new firearm that has never been fired, it often has problems. Pretty much every pistol I have purchased has some kind of problem the first 100-200 rounds. Once you break it in a clean it good you will be good to go. Patience.

I like the price and made in USA. But it has to work with their mags. If not it’s a no go. I got my 43x when they came out the silver slide so far no problems but if I didn’t have the Glock the PSA would be tempting.

ive read that the comp micro dagger slides are the issue. from what i understand the slides heat up real fast transfering that heat to the rest of the gun. If thats the case i bet those internals are hating the heat something to think about. Mag issues are mag issues.. even the psa mags are not good.

You aren’t supposed to use the shield arms s15 mags unless you have their mag release because it’s also metal… the oem glock mags and PSA micro mags both have polymer where the mag catch hits the mag, so with your polymer mag catch it’s plastic on plastic and fine… with the s15 mags, the more you run those metal mags through it, the more those metal mags will chew away at the plastic mag catch and start causing problems, even after you start putting other mags in because your mag catch is starting to slightly change where it isn’t holding the magazines in quite the same as it did… which will start causing issues like you’re having… Either replace your mag catch and only use the metal s15 mags Or replace with new oem plastic mag catch and only use plastic Glock or PSA mags. Try that and let me know if you have issues again.

I've had Springfield, S&W, and Glock not lock back on an empty mag.

I have the same micro c-1 and it’s so hard to rack the slide , I have kept the slide locked back for 24 hours and I have sat here and racked it so many times and it is still rough to rack like something is holding it back

I almost bought the micro dagger. Glad i went with the Glock 43X after seeing this video

I love my dagger tbh sure it’s not perfect but with a little adjustment and some parts swapping they can be reliable the main issue is there trigger system the cruciform on the trigger usually needs adjustment and after that there normally solid your problem was 100 Pepe cent the cruciform

I had issues with mine out of the box, These pistols from what I have learned have to be broken in before they work.. mine didn't wanna go into battery and had feeding issues, to fix the issue all I did was literally sit and rack the slide over and over and over for an hour.

The moral of the story is just spend a little extra for a Glock

There is no liner in the 43/48 glocks either, I have 2 micro daggers well over 1k rounds through each swapped out trigger group in my x1 all factory c1 and carry them , only issues I have had were using sct frames but after 50rds both frames were good. Your disconnector was the problem with the trigger resetting as psa commented just like I did, a very common problem with striker guns oem glocks incuded

Difference in magazine followers. Even PSA has different followers depending on the magazines.

Wish PSA was more reliable …I just can’t trust their products yet.

My Glock 19x would stove pipe every 2-4 rounds ended up buying a new barrel and fixed my issue my dagger did the same as yours but the fix was free Glock was no help psa told me my issue right away and offered to send the part free

I wouldn't blame PSA for aftermarket parts not functioning properly. Aftermarket parts are a likely failure point with Glocks too. Clint Smith has some comments on that. Are you sure you're not pushing on the slide release when firing? A camera on the other side of the pistol would have been helpful. But it does prompt the question is it wise to save a little money on a budget pistol or just get a Glock or Walthter PDP-F.

Well this makes me sad. I have a dagger full size sw4 slide threaded barrel with a Herrington comp and it’s been one of the most reliable guns. I’ve shot 3000 rounds through it to date and Ive only done 2 cleanings. I put every gun I have through the paces to determine what gets carried and what’s a range/practice piece. But I orders a micro frame one a whim giving it was on sale as a blem hoping it’s not a total bust.

Oh yeah

I just ran the comp slide. Glock lower, barrel, recoil assembly, with the SA mags. I will let you know how it does around 1k

Had dead trigger every 5-7 rounds, then i saw some videos on it, pulled some of trigger spring help it, then i just did a little bit of polishing of some parts now i haven't had an issue, yet with both the micro fancy mag and the cheaper one. And it was tactical pantoon who's video i saw Also it seems to eject rounds pretty hard

I’d take some measurements and compare dagger to 43x.

Im trying the gen 3 s15 mags we will see the gen 2s are not good .

😂43 doesn't have a channel liner either. Forgot to mention they got past the patents b/c they shrunk down the gen 3 glock 19/17 geometry.

Yes

PSA's AR's have better QC then Aero Precision..... My Experience = 11 PSA's (a few blems) 0 issues 9 Aero's 2 issues both needing complete returns for NEW serialized product and extra cost (transfer fees) + time. Perspective = A $450 Radical firearms complete firearm with ambidextrous safety has had less issues than %20 of the Aero's..... Conclusion = Quality Control is rather hit or miss with most companies. Ex. Daniel Defenses new H9 pistol Keyholeing.... unacceptable - Godspeed

Have a sct frame with micro c-1 slide. But I also have a glock oe barrel and guide rod. Mine was shooting great than started to act up just a little more lube and was good to go. But being a cerakoted slide definitely needs to wear the paint etc. Off.

The 43 has no channel liner.. so that has nothing to do with the dead trigger anyways. You need to pull the trigger housing out of the frame and adjust the connector then problem solved

Save up and get what you want not a copy.

The PSA mags have a shorter follower. You can see it if you compare them to OEM mags.

Also the shield arms mags have been known to be shit psa mags are better by far

Here’s a bright idea, use dagger mags w the dagger trigger

Matt from psa, commented on the first video n bro just ignores the advice/ solution. Anyone else notice that?

So basically it runs fine stock. If you modify it it won't work? Don't modify it maybe?

Good stuff y’all. Subbed TN TAC also. Keep bringin it!

My micro dagger shoots good but has some issues… i guess its just a “u get what u pay for situation”

I love PSA products but their pistols are not as reliable as a Glock. They have some slight QC issues and the consistency is not there yet. One issue with a dead trigger is the connector has to be bent out a bit to fix it. Johhny Glock has an excellent video on how to fix that.

My micro daggers frame rails was not positioned correctly. It would not run a glock upper. I pulled measurements from a glock frame and confirmed the issue. The rails was low in relation to the locking block and trigger pack. I sent it back to psa with a detailed description of the issue, that i diagnosed with measurements. Instead of replacing thw frame, they sent it back with a micro dagger barrel. PSA doesn't care about tolerances. So if you buy one, its a roll of the dice. I did a lot of hand fitting, and mine is mint now (with all glock parts). Most people aren't capable of that, and buy a gun to function.

I’ve never had a malfunction with my s15 mags on my G48

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My micro dagger will not chamber 124 gr. Federal, 124gr. Fiocci hollow point ammo. Rounds Stick in the chamber locking the slide out of battery. Anyone else have this problem?

One of those triggers looks familiar....

I want to see the new BCA Grizzly pistol go up against the PSA Dagger

So it’s PSAs fault that other manufacturers parts don’t work reliably in their guns?

Oof, I think I'll stick with Glock.