Radio Free Mormon: 018: Make Way For Dodos - The False Faith Promoting story of Jeffrey Holland 

Which mission?

Let's go Janice please elaborate

You’ve gotta tell us!

Oh WOW!! Heavenly Father is letting the truth be known. And people are believing . I have served and loved these men my entire life. But the last year I have learned so much. It has been so heartbreaking 💔💔 They need to be exposed.

I think it’s called “Mormon folklore” it’s a very common phenomenon. Lol.

Uhh.,. You sure you wouldn't want to rethink that ... cuz .. damn,. That logic alone would make the KoolAid even more lethal.

@@romanstarr01 just stating the facts, that I feel the Holy Ghost when I read or listen to fictional stories just as much as I do with real stories. Wouldn't this show that the Holy Ghost is not a reliable source for truth?

@@stevenhenderson9005 .. Feeling good about a story of fiction is simply a human derived emotion, just like watching a movie romance. Those have nothing to do with a religion or a conversion to a belief system. Apostle Holland related a story and conveying it as story of fact, when in fact, it never happened. What does the Holy Ghost do in this situation.?

@@romanstarr01 See what your failing to understand is that there is no difference between your feelings as a human condition or feelings from what religions call the Holy Ghost. It is exactly the same thing and you are correct, these feelings happen whether it's a fictional story or if it is a true story. This understanding forces us to identify two completely different truths. 1) Physical Truth 2) Spiritual Truth Physical Truth: requires physical evidence to back up the physical truth in order to be considered physically true. The more physical evidence we gather, brings us to a state of even more truth. Spiritual Truth: requires spiritual evidence to back up the spiritual truth in order to be considered spiritually true. The more spiritual evidence we gather, brings us to a state of even more spiritual truth. You can't discover physical truth through spiritual evidence and you can't discover spiritual truth through physical evidence. The physical evidence of physical truth is based on our physical condition by what we physically see, physically touch, physically taste, or physically smell. The spiritual evidence of spiritual truth is based on our spiritual condition by our feelings created by what we imagine in our mind of what we spiritually see, spiritually touch, spiritually taste, or spiritually smell. When someone writes a book or creates a movie, they use the gift of imagination (Holy Ghost) that tells them what to write or create. We use this same gift of imagination in making decisions in life, because we can usually foresee the outcome that our decisions will make. This is what makes all human beings prophets, seers, and revelators. We just do it all the time so naturally we tend to just blow it off as a human condition, but our abilities as human beings is just so miraculous. Now it is important to understand that the physical realm that we are in helps us to understand the invisible world of the spiritual realm. The only way our imagination works the way it does is because what comes to our minds imagination is what we know in the physical. Now because we are in the physical realm it is hard for us to understand the spiritual, so we use the physical experience to help us understand spiritual. Just like the Bible teaching about heavenly crowns, treasures in heaven, or other physical things to try and help us understand the spiritual realm. Now at this point if you are really intrigued just ask me to explain how collectively we are God the Eternal Father.

@@stevenhenderson9005 .. Apostle Holland did not create this story, or use any imagined {self created thought process for purposes of fiction}. Moreover, you did not answer my question, but let me emphasize - Apostle Holland, for the purposes of a faith promoting story, is telling his audience {no need for any Holy Ghost intervention} this story is fact. How does the Holy Ghost simply ignore Holland, giving the green light on a bogus story, yet is to reaffirm truth to an audience in a fabrication? Do you see the inconsistency in this ?

Holland needs a dirt nap.

oooouu, yeah, what if the story was entirely made up, but some family in Idaho had a situation that barely had some overlap, reach out to Holland, but he knows it was a complete fabrication, but now has these pesky members who think it's about them? Brilliant. Or, what if like you suggest, there is no real idaho family at all and holland is making them up because for some reason he needs to nix this story as it's getting out of hand or what not? He could entirely do that. How would anyone know?

lol

Yeah , Christ's apostles never did anything wrong.... oh wait.

Actually many liars came before Dunn and more followed after he's long gone. The difference is Dunn got carried away in stupidity and took it way too far. But the tall tales continued in Thomas Monson and the antichrist lies of Russell Nelson.

Paul was exxed? i thought he was given emeritus

@@kathymarsden5757 my apologies you are right. Somehow I grew up believing he was exed???

He was a proven liar and con man. And the other “prophets, seers and revelators” sat on their velvet thrones behind him and marveled at how amazing his life had been.

Meanwhile.. Holland's discovery of certainty makes a complete ass of himself.

As of yet, i haven't seen any credible evidence that Joseph wasn't just as golden as those plates were. Quite the contrary. He was the best blood of the 19th century. His name was sullied and dirtied by politicians and priestcrafters who will all suffer the wrath of God for it, and that wrath will have been earned in earnest because their lies came from the same source as the hypocrisy and jealousy of the Saducees and Pharisees in The Days Christ established his New Testament Church. The difference between you and I? You believe a false history penned by covetous and evil men. I believe the true doctrine of Christ revealed to a true Prophet of God.

@@stephenbrown9370 Just a warning: Irony is notoriously difficult to hear through the medium of the printed word. Having grown up in an environment of constant irony, I find your comment hilarious, but others from more sincere upbringings might get the wrong idea.

@@stephenbrown9370 Your parroted threats of after life damnation is one of the biggest problems you TBM's will always have. Stop living in man made fear.

@@stephenbrown9370 You are absolutely right; Joseph Smith was "just as golden as those plates were". The problem is, the plates weren't golden.

With a name like Cumorah you might be facing a sunken cost fallacy

But allow those to be angry about the very real sin of lying to us all. Then by all means, bless him. We all have the priesthood. Hebrews KJV

Pocatello, Idaho's "don't ask, don't tell" city.

‘Pocatellah,’ Idaho! Gotta put that Idaho accent on it!🤣🤣🤣

He is a real Apostle.

@@stephenbrown9370 REAL fake.

@@stephenbrown9370 May I correct you, this man is a jackass. You are welcome.

you tell the truth, you should never have to issue a retraction

Huh? 🤔

He who is without sin let him cast the first stone... yeah don't be that guy.

@@Apbt-rv7zw okay… 🤣

Exactly. These are the same people who would judge Christ as a fake because Judas sold him out

Holland has been caught several times telling lies. It is a pattern

Not a big deal that a so called apostle is caught out lying?. And repeating the story at a later date with even more inaccuracies than the first time?. It's a major big deal if you are pinning your eternal hopes on a man who can't get his story straight. Anyone of that type can not be trusted.

It was explained in the video the many ways in which this false spreading could've easily been prevented. Holland tried to slip in another lie but got CAUGHT ......again

As he is not a Profit 🤑…he just lied as a man..🤥

Elder Holland was mistaken as a man. He didn't lie. And he humbly made it right as an Apostle. Unlike you would do as an Apostate.

@@stephenbrown9370 of course he lied. He just corrected himself and had to tell the truth because he got caught in his own lie. Duhhh

still a dodo and also a seems to be a demonstrable deceptive liar

@@MormonDiscussion Give me references where he has lied. I know about the SLC Tribune article and BBC interview.

That's what you took away

It is if you know your English literature

Lol, that's what I thought

Not Anti’s old mate… just those who cannot be brainwashed…😶‍🌫️

Anti deception means lover of Truth. Hope Truth sets you free too my friend. Read New Testament to meet the True Jesus and get the True Gospel. It’s what set me free!

Dang it another person caught in misinformation "it's fake news" won't be the first and he ain't the last.

Yeah, they should be perfect! Just like Judas,....oh wait

He was intelligent enough to not pick you to lead his church.

I know, instead he chose a pedophile and an adulterer, liar, and fraud. You apologists should really study more of the history the church has hidden from you.

@@joeycarter2994 I'm quite certain the same things were said about Christ himself.....you can let the spirit be your guide, or take the word of man.

Yeah damn it... it's like the science that told doctors it was good to prescribe pregnant women thalidomide. Damn those scientists for being so clever.

@@Apbt-rv7zw - But then, not even Jesus was perfect, so you can't expect doctors and science to be perfect, either.

@@Shelama yep I know science is not perfect it's littered with tragedies. I'm not sure how you mean with Jesus though?

@@Apbt-rv7zw - On the other hand, I'm not sure how you meant your comment about scientists and thalidomide. So are we maybe even?

@@Shelama Both sides take faith to believe. If science isn't perfect then neither is religion. Religion does however say that; God is the perfect omniscient being meaning He is the perfect scientist.

Faith promoting lies.

Try looking as hard for imperfection in yourself as you do the brethren. You might figure out who really needs to repent.

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@@MormonDiscussion thats great and thank you... all the more reason to pull the ads off the RU-vid versions, or minimize the number. Which it looks like you may have done. Thank you and sorry for being snippy. You're doing the Gods' work. SO glad I don;t have to deal with Squatch Soap while I listen at work. - A good channel to take the advertising cue from is Atheist Experience. just enough to keep a little gold flowing to their workers but not interrupting and not very many of them.

@@MormonDiscussion not having been a Mormon but a Christian for 61 years now ,what are you goals in presenting this material for believing Mormons ! .My goals would be that they find the REAL Jesus of the Bible .

@@davidjanbaz7728 I don't think the channel owner believes in Jesus. He has found a way to bash a religion and make money at the same time. Jesus didn't spend his time bashing the church in his day. He invited people to "come unto me". I don't think anyone should belittle another's faith. Contention is of the devil.

@@ranjanty .. Apparently, that day when Jesus ran whipsaw through the temple of money changers, he was simply being 'User Friendly'.

No digging necessary. This stuff is all over the surface and easily seen by those who look. A lie can never produce good.

JR Holland is a chump and he went down as a chump in front of a BBC reporter who interviewed him in his own office. JR Holland is not a prophet seer or revelator. He is a great powerful speaker in rooms full of people who already agree with him but take him out of that arena (or any of the apostles/prophets for that matter) and they go down looking like buffoons. Gordon B Hinckley straight out lied to Mike Wallace and Larry King about polygamy and about teaching the doctrine of plural Gods and Godhood being a humans ultimate destiny. Instead of being bold and powerful in the face of critics, the brethren always shrink away and try to “hide” or straight out lie about the more weird and/or strange aspects of our history and/or doctrine. Gordon B. Hinckley did NOT want the “satan attacking Joseph in the woods” scene in “Joseph Smith: Prophet of the Restoration”. I worked for the LDS Motion Picture Studio in Provo, UT while they were filming it...and the brethren were very divided on what they wanted shown and what not because some viewed some parts as “too strong” for the members. The prophets and apostles of today are nothing like the ones taught of in the scriptures. They do not go boldly proclaiming the truth to the four corners of the world. They sit in their air conditioned offices and consult with one another over church policy and when they do leave, they go and visit members around the globe who are waiting and drooling over every word that escapes their lips. They are corporate suits. Nice, wonderful men for the most part, I don’t doubt that they are good, law abiding citizens and good fathers and husbands. But they actively hide truth from the members so that we “stay faithful” and “stay in the boat” to quote Russell Nelson and J. Holland

Not cognitive dissonance just think life is better focusing on the good than always and I mean always focusing and looking for every bad thing someone does. What a sad life. I have more important things to do like find someone in need and help them. Congrats on a productive life of fault finding. Must be gratifying.

@@terrywalker839 When the leaders of any organization are held in such high regard that they cant be criticized...that is a cult. And a cult tactic from cult members is to criticize people who criticize their leaders. You being a good person and finding people to help out is awesome, but is not exclusive to mormonism, or theism, for that matter. Bill gates is an atheist and he gives 100s of times more money to charity than the church, and he has less money than the church. Same with Bezos, and many other billionaires. With nothing but respect for your beliefs...but...If you feel that your leaders can’t be called out when they flat out lie (did you even listen to the video??) than that is at the very least a cult-like sentiment. The pope, the leader if the JW’s, the leader of big companies....all these people should not get a “free pass” from their members just because they view them as “sacred”. A member of the church certainly would have critical thought on what those people say and do. Why do the “brethren” get a free pass? Same goes for Joseph Smith. Man, I lived 40 years as a devout, totally believing mormon. But there came a time when I just HAD to critically look into all the “crap talking” about JS and other leaders. If it is true, I should be able to weed through what is true and false, right? But when the very church admits to many things JS did that don’t square with what the correlated narrative has been my whole life, and what I taught as a missionary, in a bishopric, in a stake presidency, what I’ve taught my children....then things start to unravel. (Gospel Topic Essays) Sometimes we believe so much that we completely close our minds to any other possibility and instead of the discomfort that uncomfortable truths bring to our mind, we shut it off. That IS comfirmation bias and cognitive dissanonce, and it is rampant among high demand religion members, especially members of the church. If the church works for you, great. If you can see past certain uncomfortable truths, fine. I know I did for a looong time. But when you or leaders of the church criticize and try to silence and shut down speech and gaslight those who have legitimate concerns about true documented history...that is not right and it is abusive and has all the trappings of cult like behavior. My righteous outrage going in defense if the church against some comment someone made on facebook is what led me down the rabbit hole, so if you want to stay faithful...I would suggest staying away from content that doesn’t support what your pre-determined belief of what is true. You might just slip down the rabbit hole and end up in exmo wonderland like us. I thought my testimony was diamond-hard, rock solid, unbreakable. And honest study and pursuit of truth, not laziness or lax-ness, is what led me out. Its much easier to just insult, discredit, and silence those who leave, rather than honestly look into why they chose to leave something so supposedly amazing.

@feebeedee Not sure it's cognitive dissonance as much as willful ignorance in this case.