Range Review! This 12 Gauge Shotgun is Magazine Fed and A BLAST to shoot (Panzer Arms AR 12 Pro)

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In this episode of TGS, Billy the Kid brings you quite a show! We test a variety of different shells through a Panzer Arms AR 12 Pro. Plenty of great reactive targets in this one such as, watermelons, water jugs, lettuces, a maniquin full of jello and we even get a couple expanded 1 oz slugs from exploding a cooler full of water! Links in this description are affiliate links but to date I have not made a dime lol so remember you can be the first to help this channel grow.
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@John-zs2eo 4 года назад

First thing I did out of the box was take it apart and clean and lube it. My AR-12 Pro has yet to experience any failure to operate. I only run 1300fps or better. I got several hundred rounds of 00 and slugs down range...I shoot Remington 2 3/4 because of the taller brass case; the AR-12 doesn't care for the shorter brass case either. I learned all this before I bought the weapon from having watched video before making a purchase.

@OneSquidOneBike 4 года назад

I haven't put as many rounds through my AR 12 as you, but I did clean and lube it as well and I haven't had one issue yet. Hate to see this video make the gun look bad.

@justinmccallister280 3 года назад

The more I watch videos on these newer box fed shotguns, the more I truly appreciate my old Rem. 1100.

@shaunbooker6114 3 года назад

Also the rubber thing on the charging handle is supposed to come off..it looks like it's getting stuck/blocked by it as well

@Babygirl24232 3 года назад

Foregrip didnt fit my 12pro...think front swivel in thr way. Suggestions?

@LifeSavingDefense 3 года назад

Minimum 1300 fps required ammunition. In the boss 15v , If you go 1500 or more there is a high pressure ring to install

@DaMeshMonster 3 года назад

This dude weighs 100lbs and has 22 caliber arms. No wonder you can't rack the charging handle back.

@NBWDOUGHBOY 10 месяцев назад

These Guns have a Intense Break In period. Like 250 of Heavy Rounds 1300fps or Better. But, You can speed up the break in by leaving the Gun Locked back for at least a Month. Manually working the action over and over to loosen up the spring tension. Cleaning it thoroughly and lubing it up real good before you shoot it. Just a few things there to look out for.

@oldmustang-1969 3 года назад

I have followed these for awhile and thanks for being honest .Some posts are gen 3 or 4 sold as a pro and most are common issues like out of box posts . Lack of lube or poor quality . I just bought the new pro to avoid a poly lower for 50 bucks less .Way cheaper than a Saiga & the AR platform is preferred by many

@tomchristensen2914 3 года назад

i have a panzer and it definitely runs better with high velocity rounds... low velocity have actually not ejected for me

@bigbadjohnpesek9894 2 месяца назад

I love me some box fed shotguns. I don't have this one but i do have the JTS AK 12 and two 12 gauge bullpups. After the break in they have proven to be very reliable.

@TH3_DON_M3G4 3 года назад

Cool vid...I just bought this AR, I'm only gonna buy and fire slugs. No point in anything else. Did you put the HV piston in with the skee choke?

@bravo9890 4 года назад

Im wondering if the bp12 bullpup designed is just better or what because nobody is having these issues on that model

@TGSTheGoodStuff 4 года назад

It is very possible they fixed some mistakes with the pro in the bull pup design but I hate to give an opinion without some real world testing of my own. Something I will say is I don't know how I feel about magazine reloads with that placement being right behind the grip. I guess it would come down to how much you train with it but it might be awkward feeling and if you're not amazing at AR reloads it may screw up getting those done properly to.

@37gdog 4 года назад

I have the BP12. I ran 50 rounds of 2 3/4 buck through mine and then broke it down and polished the areas that showed wear marks. It will now cycle 1 1/8 oz loads reliably. I did the same with the original AR12 with the same results. Turkish made guns need some polishing, I know this going in. The only AR style shotgun I have bought that has run light loads reliably right out of the box, is the AKDAL MKA 1919 MATCH. If you are just wanting a mag fed shotgun, get a Saiga or VEPR12 and don't look back.

@tylerdaugherty5896 3 года назад

How light or heavy is the trigger?

@justinmccallister280 3 года назад

I remember when companies used to factory "break-in" their products, what a shame.

@bradnone6187 3 года назад

Yeah, and then the customer bitches that they're paying new prices for used guns. Obviously they should be broken in, but you can't blame the makers, because stupid people drive the markets.

@tannermac 4 года назад

I have this same shotgun I just put about 300 shells through it this last weekend and had zero failures. I was using Winchester bird/game load at 1200fps. It’s possible you got a lemon? I’ve seen mixed reviews on this one some people have problems and some have none. Maybe I got lucky. Anyway good review and I like your style. Not a fan of the background music though

@TGSTheGoodStuff 4 года назад

I suppose anything is possible although amongst my inner circle of gun nuts I rub shoulders with there's a bigger chance of getting a lemon then a peach. My understanding is they manufacture in a hurry and slap it together with little or no finish work on the internals. 300 shells with zero hiccups is awesome, I'd say if you make it to 500 and she keeps it up that would be home defense worthy. Thank you for the compliment, I appreciate the feedback. Music is hard to get that happy place for everyone and even harder to find non copyrighted stuff you're able to post in your videos. Thanks for watching!

@kortgreen7725 Год назад

@@TGSTheGoodStuff you are right here about the internals. I cleaned them up and smoothed out all the flaws by hand and it cycles fine. And no wasted ammo either! The way things are going now. We can't afford to be wasting ammo when we will find it hard to come by soon enough!!

@jeramiberry6593 4 года назад

I had issues with the smaller magazines I had to buy a bigger magazine no problems sense

@TGSTheGoodStuff 4 года назад

Yeah that's an option I'd like to try. Didn't really think about the size of the mags causing any problems.

@aluikart81 3 года назад

Where did you get the rear sling mount?

@berrydale4327 4 года назад

I have an early production Panzer ar 12 pro. i broke it in with Winchester 3 in 00 buck 15 pellet and 3in 1.125 oz #4 shot for the first 150 rounds,as per the mfg's recomedations. My only problem came with the ten round mags fully loaded. the bolt didnt go compleatly into battery.Solved the problem by only 9 rounds in the mag untill the spring tention relaxed a bit.My bolt also has some drag , but havent noticed a problem. All of my mags drop when released. I feel 100% about the reliability of this wepon and would recomend it to anyone looking for a home defence shotgun.

@TGSTheGoodStuff 4 года назад

Out of curiosity, how early production are we talking?

@berrydale4327 4 года назад

TGS [The Good Stuff] # 0004

@bradnone6187 3 года назад

Basically every single semi auto shotgun needs to cycle 100 rounds of high brass before it's dependable, and they run even better after 150 rounds. It's not fair to the manufacture to knock it before it's broken in.

@TGSTheGoodStuff 3 года назад

Yeah every summer in the heat of the day you can hear them anywhere around here (southern Mississippi).

@zackerykurkey9078 3 года назад

Does that have m lol for the grip?

@kcmclove 4 года назад

where did you get the sling and how did you attach the Foregrip?

@TGSTheGoodStuff 4 года назад

Checkout www.pelicanstatearmory.biz to find anything you need.

@kcmclove 4 года назад

@@TGSTheGoodStuff thanks how did you attach the foregrip?

@TGSTheGoodStuff 4 года назад

@@kcmclove the bottom of the grip spins and runs a stub up vertically to the rail to pin it into position.

@kristoffersans6155 4 года назад

I fired fives 1oz slugs all day never nothing wrong, Fired bird shot ten rounds clip as fast as I could pull the trigger with 1 1/8 bird shot one hang up cuz my finger was as faster then the pin I love this gun

@lightburning9693 4 года назад

Are you gonna do a review of one your buddy customizes to fix the issues?

@TGSTheGoodStuff 4 года назад

@ Light Burning great question. I'd love to but I'm not sure. This particular firearm was a clients that I was breaking in then it was getting stripped down and worked over and sent off for cerakoting before going to the customer. It was kind of a time crunched situation.

@pythonprofreak7522 3 года назад

Mine out of the box and after lubing, wouldn't do auto feed and auto reject. Is there any tip to fix this?

@pythonprofreak7522 3 года назад

Just read some comments below. So I have to use 1300 fps shells to break it in.

@TGSTheGoodStuff 3 года назад

Yeah run about 300 rounds of 1300+ fps with it real wet to get it cycling good.

@pythonprofreak7522 3 года назад

@@TGSTheGoodStuff Hi, thank you for the reply. I found out that I have 1350 fps rounds and so far I only shot 5 and 20 to go (tomorrow). So far I managed to shoot 3 out of 5 without issue with faster fps. I order 3 more boxes but with 3", 1520 fps from academy.

@TGSTheGoodStuff 3 года назад

Yeah it takes a few hundred rounds of some high velocity stuff running the gun real wet to get her cycling good. No problem thanks for dropping in and the feedback 🙏

@Bluegrass-ballistics 3 года назад

Drum mags wont lock the bolt back on last round due to the dummy round follower

@JAlex-ng1mu 4 года назад

Mine wont run the 7.5 bird shot. Too weak? Slugs, buck shot and high brass #6, run great.

@TGSTheGoodStuff 4 года назад

Yeah more then likely not enough ummph some of the mods I did help with that like drilling the gas ports lets more pressure flow giving more ummph to the spring or trimming the spring alone little by little will give less resistance allowing the lighter stuff cycle more easily. These VR80s like to be ran real wet as well.

@slater1993 2 года назад

what choke were you using ?????

@kenarnold9132 4 года назад

I've run several types of ammo thru mine. It's really hard to track down the FTF's. I also run thru 10 rounds mags as well as the 5 round. RIO #4 Buck 2 3/4" a lot of FTFs, Winchester 3" 00 also, although it performs better from the 5 round mag. What mine really loves, is the Mil Spec 00. Churns thru them like butter for the most part. Probably run close to 2-300 rounds thru it so far. The issue I have now is disassembly. I get the barrel removed, turn the bolt block lever vertical, and the bolt assembly just will not come out. It seems to catch the tiniest bit on the block. Will most likely have to take to a gun smith to get it corrected.

@TGSTheGoodStuff 4 года назад

Yeah people want these mag fed shotguns to just run and I don't blame em but fail to see there's alot going on in the cycling of them. If they'd put a little more refinement in the manufacturing process it would go along ways but then price goes up and yadayada. Appreciate the feedback.

@kenarnold9132 4 года назад

@@TGSTheGoodStuff I agree. Just a little more refinement, and maybe some better QC. However, they are a ton of fun! Well worth spending an extra $100 to get it more refined. What else is there to do these days during lockdown LoL. Shoot! Also keeps the squirrels away as the little buggers don't practice social distancing!

@TGSTheGoodStuff 4 года назад

@@kenarnold9132 absolutely a blast on the range. Alot of people fail to realize not a whole lot of things are made perfect off of an assembly line but nothing a little creative thinking can't handle lol good luck keeping the squrriels down 😁

@kenarnold9132 4 года назад

@@TGSTheGoodStuff I got mine back 2 weeks ago from my local gunsmith. Opened the beginning of the chamber just a tad, smoothed it out. Took some off the bolt block (so you could actually break it down). Smoothed the tooling marks off the bolt and everywhere else. Screams with anything, Fiochhi #4 Buck. Rio #4 Buck, everything! 5 and 10rd mags. And, took care of that nasty lever you use to break it down. $100 well spent! BTW.....subscribed

@TGSTheGoodStuff 4 года назад

Awesome, thanks for following up thats my fav 😂 yeah those tooling marks are imo the cause of most issues with this one. Appreciate the sub and support! Follow this link to enter our current giveaway. kingsumo.com/g/gjc0qw/1000-sub-giveaway

@SeanDriscollMusic 3 года назад

Hey!!! The links to the foregrip aren't working....could you possibly repost?

@TGSTheGoodStuff 3 года назад

I had the hardest time finding it last time, it was one link I found on ebay. I'm pretty sure it is discontinued. Knights armament is the company that makes it.

@GriffXJ 3 года назад

So glad I got my Vepr 12 before it was banned. Runs 1 1/8th ounce 1200fps rounds all day without problems. Cheap Federal bulk pack from Walmart has never given me a single problem.

@TH3_DON_M3G4 3 года назад

Just fired mine, constant faulire to feed and eject. I only shot 1oz slugs

@TGSTheGoodStuff 3 года назад

I ran 250 shells of Winchester AA 1350 fps high brass through this then did the mods mentioned in the video. In the end she'd run pretty much whatever I fed to her.

@stevemoss5629 3 года назад

fing awesome! Great run through! Thanks for the info! Although, I still want this MF'er, I think I'm going Mossberg 930. I'm looking for input??

@neoshaman599 4 года назад

Dont bite my head off but alot of your issues are due to you having a soft stance. Look at how far your shoulder goes back you should be leaning into the shot.

@bangemblack5888 4 года назад

Just out of curiosity.... how?

@mattterry9766 4 года назад

@@bangemblack5888 when you don't put your shoulder into it on a semi auto shotgun the gun will jam

@abcertweld Год назад

Here is a hint I have told people for over a decade. Any semiauto shotgun use 3-1/4 DRAM or higher and it will always cycle without any issue. I have never had an issue with any of mine from the first shot on. Hope this helps people.

@josephblow3581 3 года назад

He says he got it new. No break-in... Manual says to run 50-100 rds before you expect it to run flawless

@kortgreen7725 Год назад

That's stupid. I'm not gonna waste expensive ammo breaking in any weapon! I'm gonna need EVERY ROUND I CAN GET AND SAVE FOR SHTF! THATS NOT WISE OR PRUDENT TO WASTE PRECIOUS AMMO!! WHAT DA WHAT?

@josephblow3581 Год назад

@@kortgreen7725 so your not gonna practice with any of your firearms? That's like saying your a sniper without ever firing a shot. Even cars have a break in period...

@kortgreen7725 Год назад

@@josephblow3581 I don't NEED to practice. I'm an expert as well as a son of the best gunsmith and National hunter rifle champion in America. My dad. Who taught me to shoot at 8 yrs old. And that was a Ruger44mag Blackhawk. I live, hunt and fish in the swamps of south Louisiana. I can outshoot, out fish, and outlive most guys half my age! And a US NAVY VETERAN , BOAT Engineer, mechanic, carpenter, plumber electrician, welder, heavy equipment operator, expert rifle, pistol and shotgun shooter. I also am familiar with various explosives and detonator. I took my AR 12 apart and sped up the break in period by hand.. removing all burrs and smoothing out on the bolt carrier rails, feed ramp, and any other rough spots I found as well as truing the bolt carrier rails up. IT cycles fine nowwith no problems.. and I never WASTED 2 OR 3 HUNDRED MUCH NEEDED ROUNDS!!!TA BOOT! GOT ANYMORE DUMB QUESTIONS?

@josephblow3581 Год назад

@@kortgreen7725 questions? It was a statement. Just because you know how to do something doesn't make you an expert. Keep patting yourself on the back. "I know how to swing a hammer, so I'm a carpenter" you sound like a typical engineer who thinks they know everything. Just your statement alone makes you look like a know it all.

@kortgreen7725 Год назад

@@josephblow3581 ain't no lookin to it hand. I can back up what I say. You questioned my ability, and and I just gave you my credentials. Don't get your panties all in a twist! If I hurt ur Lil feelings. Aint nobodies problem but chores! Got any more dumb "statements" ?

@majorskillz6235 4 года назад

How do you get a foregrip on the bottom of the handrail

@TGSTheGoodStuff 4 года назад

That one is a knights armament, it has a stud from the bottom going through the top. You just tighten the bottom and it pins it onto the rail.

@majorskillz6235 4 года назад

Is there a link on that?

@TGSTheGoodStuff 4 года назад

No at the time I published this video I could only find it on ebay and that link isn't any good. I'll see if I can find one if so I'll bring it here.

@TGSTheGoodStuff 4 года назад

Here we go. Good God are they high in price though. www.operationparts.com/kac-knights-armament-forward-pistol-grip-assembly/

@bravo9890 4 года назад

All semi auto shotguns require a 25-50 shell break in period. Yes it will be a little more finiky for the first 100 rounds. Lube the piss out of it, run it hard for another 50 rounds then you should be gtg

@TGSTheGoodStuff 4 года назад

Thanks for the feed back. So I wet the one I had down several times with Lucas extreme gun oil and put a couple hundred shells through it. When I brought it back to my sponsor he tore it down and told me they're were heavy tooling marks in the chamber and something metal hung in the ejector. I believe this is one of those classic cases of getting what you pay for. I'll be reviewing an Armscor VR80 tactical shotgun here in the near future that cost about $200 more and from what I hear it runs much better. It has 2 different gas rings for 2 3/4 and 3" and I'm thinking that's some of the trouble this one had was with the gas system. Honestly from what I could tell having the Panzer in my hands they just rush manufacturing and slap em together with little care as to how it turns out and that reflects the price.

@michaelfoster1087 4 года назад

You should have called this video “Failure to feed”, lol. Cool gun, but definitely need a follow up video with corrections to the gun.

@TGSTheGoodStuff 4 года назад

Michael yeah it’s nothing special straight out of the box lol. Hopefully I can get my hands on one after it’s been worked over and do an update down the road.

@John-zs2eo 4 года назад

First thing I did out of the box was take it apart and clean and lube it. My AR-12 Pro has yet to experience any failure to operate. I only run 1300fps or better. I got several hundred rounds of 00 and slugs down range...I shoot Remington because of the taller brass case; the AR-12 doesn't care for the shorter brass case either. I learned all this before I bought the weapon from having watched video before making a purchase.

@williamthomason2586 4 года назад

You have to break it in. Use high brass and higher power loads to break in. Then after you can run low brass/skeet shells.

@TGSTheGoodStuff 4 года назад

I broke in using Winchester AA they were 1300 fps. It runs em flawlessly now

@joshuagraham5457 3 года назад

All ar12 magazines works ?

@TGSTheGoodStuff 3 года назад

Yes didn't have any issues out of the mags. Only mag I've ever had issues with on em is MKA 1919, those can take some tuning.

@joshuagraham5457 3 года назад

@@TGSTheGoodStuff thanks

@TGSTheGoodStuff 3 года назад

@@joshuagraham5457 no prob thanks for dropping in.

@brianwilson6202 4 года назад

Bad ass gun if would just run!

@Rocker20098787 3 года назад

The omega ar12 has an adjustable gas block. Ijs

@ronandt9913 4 года назад

All semi-auto shotguns have a break in period. Read the manual, it may contain some useful information. My Mossberg 930 SPX did and so did my Rock Island VR80. After about 100 rounds of high brass, they both feed the 1oz junk. These make great guns for 3-gun.

@TGSTheGoodStuff 4 года назад

Thanks for the feedback. I read the manual before hitting the range and was aware of the break in. That being said I was told before hitting the range by a source I trust it was going to give issues. After my time with it on the range it was disassembled for cerakoting where I was told of a lot of tooling marks in the chamber along with a piece of metal hung in the ejector. I'm sure it would run well with some additional love but after my experience and watching other reviews and seeing much of the same I wouldn't trust it straight out of the box even after a couple hundred rounds which is what we put through it that day.

@unbroken2255 4 года назад

RonandT benelli m2 never have I ever some issues!

@katrinacop 4 года назад

The manufacturer recommends running 300 rounds through it to break in.

@unbroken2255 4 года назад

katrinacop benelli m2 no break in my Period lol

@Learn.The.Hardway 4 года назад

Mine continuously fails to feed with Slug/00&000buck. Had better luck with bird shots just today for some reason. My buddy bought the Panzer BP-12 and it worked better out the box with my same ammo than mine did with break-in & cleaning. I'm about to trade my AR-12 for the BP-12 unless I can figure something out. Feel like I should contact the Manufacturers or maybe your buddy. But honestly I dont wanna spend money if it's not a complete fix, you know? What's anyone personal advice?

@Learn.The.Hardway 4 года назад

I love the weapon, honestly. But the damn feeding issue is causing relationship issues. I can't even get 5 rounds through in succession.

@TGSTheGoodStuff 4 года назад

If you really want to stick with it contact the manufacturer and let them handle it. They'll do the same as my friends and polish the chamber real good and test on it and if you get it back and it still gives issues then consider trading. I don't blame you for not wanting to spend anymore which is why I suggest letting Panzer deal with it or alternatively if your comfortable you can try polishing out the tool marks in the chamber yourself using a dremel with wire wheels and polishing pads or some .0000 steel wool fixed onto a wooden dowel rod in a drill.

@37gdog 4 года назад

Turkish guns need some detail work. If you haven't already, break it down and polish the wear areas and check the chamber for burrs or machine marks. I have done this with the AR12 and the BP12 with success.

@lowlevelcritter7577 4 года назад

MrNosnitram Very recently purchased the AR-12 (manufacturing date March 2020). Distributor informed retailer that the AR-12s arriving now have had quality control issues resolved. I’ve gone through 300 rounds, ranging from 2 3/4 #8 1oz birdshot, to 00 buck, to rifled 3” slugs. Not one failure to eject or failure to load issue. Maybe the distributor would be willing to swap a replacement for you. Are you still having issues?

@Learn.The.Hardway 4 года назад

@@lowlevelcritter7577 I have found it difficult to talk to an actual person. I'd love to swap it out for a "full-functioning" weapon. But it seems I'm lost to how to do that. Recently cleaned and lubed again, (still can't get the charging handle off), but its a shotgun, it'll still fire. STILL doesn't like 3", 2¾ still works fine. I've just had to make sure its above 1300fps for proper cycle rate. Idk, thinking about selling it to buy a BP12. Im just so frustrated with it. Gonna try again tonight to fully disassemble it.

@detox318 3 года назад

The Manuel says not to shoot anything more than 1500 FPS

@bugmanmd1576 3 года назад

yes i noticed that too, I've shot about 25 Federal 1600 FPS slugs through it already and they seem to run well. Ammunition is pretty scarce so you can't be too choosy. I'll continue to use those 1600 fps slugs because that's about all I can find right now... let me know what you've been using

@paulbotta1 4 года назад

Great unbiased review on a total hunk of junk! Keep up the good work!

@TGSTheGoodStuff 4 года назад

Thank you for the feedback, I will always be honest in all of my content for 3 reasons. #1 if you lie to the viewers and they in turn make purchases based on what you're telling them and find out opposite they will not continue to follow you. #2 I'm not paid to say anything the only way I'm gonna make something is if a viewer uses one of my affiliated links which is stuff I use and like or I've researched to the point I would buy it without hesitation. #3 On a personal level I've always prided myself on honesty and have had to learn communicating in a more receptive way because at times it comes as blunt or crass, never meaning to I've just always liked to call it like I see it! Thanks again.

@zercules9156 3 года назад

I’m between this and the VR80

@bugmanmd1576 3 года назад

I had the same two shotguns in mind. Went with the Panzer because it comes with two magazines instead of one, and because it has rail on the bottom which allows you to put a vertical foregrip on it. The vr80 has no rail on the bottom. Finally, Panzer comes with three choke tubes, vr80 does not have replaceable choke tube.

@misar7 3 года назад

@@bugmanmd1576 Panzer comes with three choke tubes? Gen 3 has this feature? I was told only gen 1 had replaceable chokes.

@bugmanmd1576 3 года назад

@@misar7 yup. mine bought 10 / 20/20, comes with a full choke, modified choke, and cylinder choke. Like I said, this is one of the three features that I think beats out the VR80.

@2015gtbass 2 года назад

I know this is old. But should have cleaned it first. And he say to use 1350 min. She'll and high brass

@majorskillz6235 4 года назад

I finally shot my panzer ar 12 last week, this gun is not reliable fte and ftf nightmare

@TGSTheGoodStuff 4 года назад

Have you tried breaking it down and polishing the tooling marks out of it? That seems to help alot along with a heavy break in and running it real wet.

@RetroByLaw 3 года назад

i have never seen someone miss with a shotgun in my life so i cant really trust any review after that lol

@troyburoker3969 3 года назад

It would help if you used the right ammo!!! The gun requires 3” shells. Your making a bad ass gun look really bad!!

@jasonspeakman7244 4 года назад

Dude flinches on every shot. Wonder why it don't feed right

@Rmartin689 4 года назад

what does his flinching have to do with the gun not feeding?

@TGSTheGoodStuff 4 года назад

If you aren't shouldering the firearm properly it can give you cycling issues. Yeah after a couple hundred shells of 12 Guage on this boney shoulder I flinched here and there but I invite anyone to give it their go lol

@TGSTheGoodStuff 4 года назад

The VR80 I reviewed did better but we did some mods to it.

@Rmartin689 4 года назад

flinching and not shouldering a long gun properly are 2 different things.

@TGSTheGoodStuff 4 года назад

@@Rmartin689 I see what your saying. My reply was with the thought that he thought I was flinching in a manner pulling the gun off my shoulder versus flinching on the sights or trigger.

@brianwilson6202 4 года назад

Just too many problems for my taste its a shame though I like the platform just cant count on it when it counts so I cant mess with it.....

@TGSTheGoodStuff 4 года назад

Check out the other video I did on the VR80 it did alot better.

@doddgarger6806 4 года назад

Lose the emo techno druggie music 🤣

@John-zs2eo 4 года назад

First thing I did out of the box was take it apart and clean and lube it. My AR-12 Pro has yet to experience any failure to operate. I only run 1300fps or better. I got several hundred rounds of 00 and slugs down range...I shoot Remington because of the taller brass case; the AR-12 doesn't care for the shorter brass case either. I learned all this before I bought the weapon from having watched video before making a purchase.

@TGSTheGoodStuff 4 года назад

I must say with the one I reviewed it liked the shorter brass for whatever reason that sportsmen select it's shorter brass and did good.