Ranking Custom Stages with IBDW & Junebug |  

For some reason the webcams were glitching a bit this time, so sorry about that guys!

I love how Walt's camera is so professional with the blurred background and everything lol

Great episode! I feel as it might have started off a little slow, but it soon picked up quite a nice pace. The dynamic between the four of you was nice. It was really interesting to hear the different opinions, ranging from a more casual player point of view, to one top players might have, and it was especially cool to have Junebug's insight as someone with more experience with custom stages (and modded stuff in general). Also, it was cool to see some gameplay in the video. I definitely prefer to try to stay more on the podcast-y style, but the subject kind of lent itself to have some game footage, so it wasn't really an issue. Thanks for the awesome content as always! Can't wait for the next podcast.

Dream guests, holy shit.

They finally start talking about custom stages at 21:00

i've recently been looking to revamp the PM stagelist and this video was EXACTLY what i needed to watch. yall went so in depth on this topic and it was so great to hear everyone's ideas on stages

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i would like to leave classic melee as is, but how awesome would a 100% custom stage tourney would be :0 doubles / custom stages are super fun let’s do more pls

I forgot to write another comment (to keep clean on each subject) I'd love timestamps in description or the new'ish youtube variant, it helps a lot when browsing the video. I think the mix with IBDW and Junebug worked very well together with you!

Loving this podcast :)

Thanks for hosting a good discussion :)

I just hit about 1:10:00 in the video, so maybe you talk about this more later on. I noticed few comments on blast zones. I am curious about how even if a stage layout is good, the blast zones can make or break the stage. I would like to see some sort of stage a bit more like FOD for floaties, with narrow blast zones and a higher ceiling like Rockwall from Rival's of Aether, as a sort of opposite of Pokemon Stadium. I also really enjoy Treetop Lodge from Rival's of Aether (very small stage, two different platform heights, and very large blast zones). I am curious on your thoughts on those stage layouts if they were implemented into Melee.

Idk why IBDW said that Marth is a floaty but Sheik isn't. Marth has higher base fall speed (which is what is used during hitstun). Sheik has higher gravity which makes her get to her fastest base fall speed faster, and she is heavier so she doesn't get knocked back quite as far, but overall she's very close to Marth in where she gets sent during a combo. Playing her she feels more like a fast faller because her fast fall is much faster than Marths (being between Falcon and Falcos base fall speed). But yeah idk I wouldn't really call either of them floaties. They sit on the faster end if anything, they are more different from floaties than they are from fast fallers. PM that has a higher variety of fall speeds calls them "semi-floaties" and puts characters like Diddy and Roy who fall faster than them but not quite Fast faller level as "semi fast fallers". (Even semi floaty isn't that accurate. Marth is considered a semi floaty but is still the 11th fastest faller in PM) But regardless Marth and Sheik are still a fair bit off from real "floaties" like Puff, Peach, Samus, Luigi, Squirtle, etc.

(Outside of UCF) I’m personally against modding the game, as I think it almost goes against the “spirit” of the game. For almost 20 years now we have developed the meta around what we had. As soon as community bias is injected into the game in the form of new stages, this can alienate a demographic that plays the game, like GameCube players. If a nonstandard version of the game is required for tournaments, that could be potentially dividing. I also find it hard to believe that there could be any solution that doesn’t further divide the community. I enjoy the idea that the community has this busted game with broken characters, mechanics, and stages. In my eyes the game looses that specialness if the tournament standard includes modded stages. Frozen Pokémon stadium is its own beast in this case.

hey guys - with regard to asymmetrical stages: would a less janky version of the grass transformation on stadium be a good example of an asymmetrical stage that could work, or be used as inspiration? Imagine if the tree was a stable plat and the little slants were gone, for example. That's the closest example I can think of for an asymmetrical stage that most melee players would have exp. with. Not a perfect stage by any means but it's the one thing that comes to mind. Loved the episode

But we have fiddled with characters, we nerfed IC's - regardless of if it's good or bad?

is there a reason why this episode is not on spotify? i just prefer to listen to things on there

Big fan, but am I the only one who thinks the volume is a little low? Keep it up anyway :)